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I think Siemens fits in the list as well.

hef19898 4y ago
The whole home appliance business is now owned by Bosch (it used to be a joint-venture between those two companies previously). Consumer electronics so, everything from cameras to radios and TVs, was eaten in the 80s by Japanese companies. Then Korean companies stepped in, with actual manufacturing being outsourced across East Asia, from China and Taiwan to Vietnam and Thailand, and everyone between, left and right. Now Chinese companies entered the market not just as suppliers, but as actual brands, e.g. Huawei.
- varjag 4y ago
  German Leica is still one of the few remaining digital camera manufacturers (and now world's largest film camera manufacturer).
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Few digital camera manufacturers? Besides Nikon, Canon, Fujifilm, Sony, Panasonic and virtually every smartphone manufacturer in the world? Leica glass is top notch, the real Leica glass, not the branded smartphone crap lenses. And Leicas are, and always have been, incredibly over priced for what they are, a little bit like Apple and Tesla. They are great cameras to use so, I had one for a project 20 years (too scared to actually count) ago. Great camera, even greater lenses. But now way near as much better as Canon or Nikon as the price would suggest.
    - varjag 4y ago
      It's strange you didn't mention Konica, Pentax, Minolta, Olympus, Hasselblad oh right that's because they are dead or a virtual brand only. And the rest are pale shadows of themselves 10 years ago. The market is dead, dedicated digital cameras are at these point feel more obsolete than film.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Come again? Hasselblad still is, and always has been, a photographers dream. A niche product, desired and out of reach for most. That didn't change. Olympus is one of the current mirrorless brands, an isn't doing to bad, at least their cameras seem to be good from what I hear. The entry level and point-and-shoot camera market is more or less dead so. That segment was completely taken over by smartphones, for valid reasons.
        antiterra 4y ago
        Hasselblad’s current digital offering is only really interesting in the commercial space where you only really need one if you’re getting paid enough to rent one on the first place. Plenty of alternatives exist as well when it comes to digital backs. The old film cameras are of niche interest, but Hassleblad isn’t making money off that.
        hef19898 4y ago
        With medium format like Hasselblad, the back are anyway seperate from the body. Hasselblads are great cameras, Leicas as well. Objects of desire both. I did some middleformat work as a teenager, not with Hasselblad so. But this whole looking down into the view finder to see a mirrored picture makes you think a lot more about composition and so on. I liked it, but film is just to much work for me at the moment. And digital backs for medium format way too expensive. I loved medium format in black and white so. Damn, now I have to find time to go through my dad's archive with him!
        antiterra 4y ago
        Leica is doing interesting things with prosumer digital too, though. The rangefinder ergonomics of the Leica Q allow for completely different use cases and feel even though it is hilariously overpriced compared to a competing Sony fixed-lens (RX1R or something like that.) Last I looked, it was at least a $1000 differential and the Sony beat the Leica handily on features and potential quality. I’d still never trade my Q for one.
paganel 4y ago
I had a Siemens-labeled (and I guess Siemens-manufactured) desktop PC in the early 2000s, crazy to think about it now.
- amelius 4y ago
  There are very small companies building PCs nowadays, see Framework, Pine, Purism, etc. So a much larger company can do it too without even thinking if they should. Also they are more B2B oriented, and the consumer part was probably a side effect. Further they were probably using headless PCs in their industrial systems too. It's not at all strange.
- hef19898 4y ago
  I think that part of Siemens ended up with Fujitsu. No idea so what happened to them.
  - jabl 4y ago
    We had Fujitsu-Siemens PC's at a previous job. I think at some point they dropped the "-Siemens" part of the name so I guess Fujitsu bought out the shares and went all alone.
rippercushions 4y ago
Siemens is still huge in all sorts of markets not readily visible to the general public: electricity generation and transmission, industrial automation, medical equipment, rolling stock (trains etc), and much more.
Daishiman 4y ago
Siemens is an enormous high-tech conglomerate and their most visible consumer arm is quite irrelevant next to they production of precision manufacturing tools, nuclear reactors, etc

hef19898 4y ago

The whole home appliance business is now owned by Bosch (it used to be a joint-venture between those two companies previously). Consumer electronics so, everything from cameras to radios and TVs, was eaten in the 80s by Japanese companies. Then Korean companies stepped in, with actual manufacturing being outsourced across East Asia, from China and Taiwan to Vietnam and Thailand, and everyone between, left and right. Now Chinese companies entered the market not just as suppliers, but as actual brands, e.g. Huawei.

varjag 4y ago
German Leica is still one of the few remaining digital camera manufacturers (and now world's largest film camera manufacturer).
- hef19898 4y ago
  Few digital camera manufacturers? Besides Nikon, Canon, Fujifilm, Sony, Panasonic and virtually every smartphone manufacturer in the world? Leica glass is top notch, the real Leica glass, not the branded smartphone crap lenses. And Leicas are, and always have been, incredibly over priced for what they are, a little bit like Apple and Tesla. They are great cameras to use so, I had one for a project 20 years (too scared to actually count) ago. Great camera, even greater lenses. But now way near as much better as Canon or Nikon as the price would suggest.
  - varjag 4y ago
    It's strange you didn't mention Konica, Pentax, Minolta, Olympus, Hasselblad oh right that's because they are dead or a virtual brand only. And the rest are pale shadows of themselves 10 years ago. The market is dead, dedicated digital cameras are at these point feel more obsolete than film.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Come again? Hasselblad still is, and always has been, a photographers dream. A niche product, desired and out of reach for most. That didn't change. Olympus is one of the current mirrorless brands, an isn't doing to bad, at least their cameras seem to be good from what I hear. The entry level and point-and-shoot camera market is more or less dead so. That segment was completely taken over by smartphones, for valid reasons.
      - antiterra 4y ago
        Hasselblad’s current digital offering is only really interesting in the commercial space where you only really need one if you’re getting paid enough to rent one on the first place. Plenty of alternatives exist as well when it comes to digital backs. The old film cameras are of niche interest, but Hassleblad isn’t making money off that.
        hef19898 4y ago
        With medium format like Hasselblad, the back are anyway seperate from the body. Hasselblads are great cameras, Leicas as well. Objects of desire both. I did some middleformat work as a teenager, not with Hasselblad so. But this whole looking down into the view finder to see a mirrored picture makes you think a lot more about composition and so on. I liked it, but film is just to much work for me at the moment. And digital backs for medium format way too expensive. I loved medium format in black and white so. Damn, now I have to find time to go through my dad's archive with him!
        antiterra 4y ago
        Leica is doing interesting things with prosumer digital too, though. The rangefinder ergonomics of the Leica Q allow for completely different use cases and feel even though it is hilariously overpriced compared to a competing Sony fixed-lens (RX1R or something like that.) Last I looked, it was at least a $1000 differential and the Sony beat the Leica handily on features and potential quality. I’d still never trade my Q for one.

paganel 4y ago

I had a Siemens-labeled (and I guess Siemens-manufactured) desktop PC in the early 2000s, crazy to think about it now.

amelius 4y ago
There are very small companies building PCs nowadays, see Framework, Pine, Purism, etc. So a much larger company can do it too without even thinking if they should. Also they are more B2B oriented, and the consumer part was probably a side effect. Further they were probably using headless PCs in their industrial systems too. It's not at all strange.
hef19898 4y ago
I think that part of Siemens ended up with Fujitsu. No idea so what happened to them.
- jabl 4y ago
  We had Fujitsu-Siemens PC's at a previous job. I think at some point they dropped the "-Siemens" part of the name so I guess Fujitsu bought out the shares and went all alone.

rippercushions 4y ago

Siemens is still huge in all sorts of markets not readily visible to the general public: electricity generation and transmission, industrial automation, medical equipment, rolling stock (trains etc), and much more.

Daishiman 4y ago

Siemens is an enormous high-tech conglomerate and their most visible consumer arm is quite irrelevant next to they production of precision manufacturing tools, nuclear reactors, etc