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This has to be the most annoying thing in MacOS. My laptop, soundly sleeping in my backpack, takes over my bluetooth headphones all the time.

supermdguy 4y ago
I hate that this isn't configurable by default, but bluesnooze solved this for me: https://github.com/odlp/bluesnooze https://github.com/odlp/bluesnooze
- jbj 4y ago
  this comments reminds me about owning a mac and installing a github repo to allow mouse scrolling direction to not be tied to touch pad scrolling [edit] just following up, it was UnnaturalScrollWheels, which have been notarized: https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag/1.2.3 https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag...
  - addandsubtract 4y ago
    The zoom scroll is disconnected from the scroll direction as well. I'm not sure if they fixed it by now or if I just got used to it, but it was super disorienting when I noticed it.
  - jdlyga 4y ago
    We typically use LinearMouse for this. Allows you to even set scrolling direction, scroll speed, acceleration profile, etc per mouse. But yeah, MacOS is a little like Gnome Shell. It requires a few basic apps to make it usable, but after that it's pretty excellent.
    - radlad 4y ago
      Thanks for mentioning LinearMouse. I've previously used Scroll Reverser so it's nice to hear of other options in this space.[0] [0] https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
      - graynk 4y ago
        MOS [0] is also pretty good, if you like smooth scroll. [0] https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
    - gligorot 4y ago
      Do you have a list of helpful apps?
  - jraph 4y ago
    Hello 2005 GNU/Linux! Installing random packages to fix OS stuff that should work out of the box was fun for a while :-)
    - naikrovek 4y ago
      here's the thing, though: "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. no operating system ever has arrived on a user's computer completely configurable to any given user's preferences. you're complaining about something that simply isn't possible without third party software and time spent by the user in question.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        > "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. You're holding it wrong
  - 0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
    I was surprised by needing to do this when switch to MacOS. So many things don't "just work" despite all that I've heard about it.
    - JohnBooty 4y ago
      Overwhelmingly, it does "just work" as Apple intended. However, it's often quite opinionated. So Apple's intended functionality may or may not jive with your preferences. This is neither a defense nor criticism of Apple, and it's not a defense or criticism of your preferences either. I will point out that anecdotally, I don't hear too many people wanting their mouse's scrolling to work in the opposite direction as their trackpad. I think Apple's probably got well over 99% of the userbase covered with the defaults and opinions here. From a software/QA/UX perspective things get wild pretty quickly if you cover every < 1% use case.
      - goosedragons 4y ago
        That setting is particularly terrible because they mirror it in both "mouse" and "trackpad" settings or at least that's how they used to do it. So it SEEMS like you can have independent settings for a mouse and trackpad but they control the same thing (which is equally weird, does any other setting do that?).
      - karaterobot 4y ago
        FWIW, I think the phrase "just works" implies that you, the user, should expect it to work without any tweaks or workarounds. So, the user's preferences are implied. Saying that it just works in many cases, or that it just works for Apple is not what is implied by that marketing. It's a strong promise that was chosen for a reason, and in many cases they do not live up to it.
        taneq 4y ago
        Do they still use that line? While some of their newer stuff does meet that standard, a lot more “just works if you already know what it does“ (eg. AirPods need to be in the case to pair… why?) and still more seems kinda random (fk you iOS keyboard.)
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- chenghuzi 4y ago
  you can just use hammerspoon to get the same effect, turning off the bluetooth/wifi right after entering sleep mode and turning them back on when the Mac is unlocked.
tbarbugli 4y ago
I had the same, switching to Airpods “fixed” this problem. I doubt Apple will ever do something about this, bt audio works fine as long as you use iPhone, Macbook and Apple pods
- cortesoft 4y ago
  I have AirPods, but the experience still sucks with multiple devices. I have my phone, my laptop, my iPad, and two iPads for my kids, all on my account. I literally am unable to make my kid’s iPads forget my AirPods, because it is tied to the apple account. If I have the iPads forget them, it forgets them on all my devices. It is annoying as hell, I have to leave Bluetooth off on my kids iPads.
  - zamnos 4y ago
    Umm, your children's accounts are on children accounts and not literally your account though, right? Because that could cause problems down the line. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-a-childs-device-iphfd0b65920/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-a-childs-devic...
    - hamburglar 4y ago
      “Ummm” aside, this is not at all obvious. I have an iPad from before I had kids. When setting it up, I was asked to enter my Apple ID, so I did. Then came kids and a new use for this iPad, and a second iPad, which obviously needed the same apps, and a third. No, it never occurred to me to set up appleids specifically for toddlers. It did eventually prompt me to set up a new “iPads” appleid when I switched from android to iPhone and suddenly discovered that all my text messages were being delivered to my children. But the ipads are family devices, not per-child, and if apple thinks I’m going to give each kid an appleid, they aren’t paying attention to how people actually want to use their devices.
      - zamnos 4y ago
        "Umm aside" not-aside, I'm sorry for triggering you. it's too late for me to edit my comment and take that out but I would if I could. So this may not be obvious to you, but what's obvious to someone isn't necessarily obvious to other people, and vice versa. In any case, I can see why creating a separate account if you only have toddlers seems too onerous. Don't worry though, they'll become teenagers who want (and deserve) the autonomy and agency of having their own account before you know it, even if sharing your photos to their idevice wasn't enough to motivate you. Separate accounts seems the most reasonably way do implement a shared but-not-system to preserve privacy, a favorite reason Apple cites as their reason for doing things. I'm not sure how else Apple could do a shared system for teens. I think there's a hack involving getting a cheap phone number for each toddler, adding that to iCloud, then disabling message delivery to that number but I haven't tested it.
cj 4y ago
Similarly, whenever I'm working at my kitchen table I always "lose" my mouse as if there's another monitor connected. I realized a couple weeks later MacOS display continuity (or "sidecar"?) was connecting to my Mac Mini located directly upstairs using it as a 2nd monitor while I'm downstairs. My apple watch also regularly unlocks my Mac Mini when I'm downstairs (Mac Mini in a bedroom upstairs). All of these features pose serious security issues if your physical location isn't secure/trusted. There really should be a "Travel Mode" for MacOS that disables features like these. No one wants airport security to open a laptop and have the apple watch immediately unlock it for them while standing 20 feet away (or in another room).
- jackson1442 4y ago
  Definitely should be an os-level feature to disable all that, similar to using panic mode on ios to disable biometrics. I personally boot my laptops to the filevault screen and no further when going through the security checkpoints. Keeps the disk encrypted and requires my password to continue.
  - highwaylights 4y ago
    “Would you like to enter the password before or after I check in the back to see if we have any latex gloves left, sir?”
    - mikepurvis 4y ago
      Doesn't look like Filevault has a duress option— otherwise it'd be pretty nice to have a separate password that boots you to a dummy partition showing a fresh desktop install with apparently nothing on it. For bonus points, you could have the dummy OS kernel-patched so that it doesn't even show the other partitions as existing, and just pretends it's occupying the whole disk with mostly empty space. "That computer? Oh yeah, I just picked it up, officer; was going to start configuring it when when I arrive at my destination."
      - Someone 4y ago
dom96 4y ago
I have gotten used to switching off Bluetooth on my mac before closing the lid because of this. Infuriating.
gnicholas 4y ago
I don't understand why the bluetooth-stealing happens so often. I'll literally be in the middle of a podcast on my phone, and my iPad in the next room (on which my kids have been watching something) will take over my headphones. There's no change in state on either device (not stopping/starting), and I haven't moved close to the iPad (and the iPhone is much closer, in my pocket). I just have to turn off bluetooth entirely on the iPad to avoid this.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  Bluetooth is basically the devil though. My Bose speaker cant handle the fact that I always want my Android phone, and keeps insisting that I really want my child's IPad.
- TheBozzCL 4y ago
  It's a generalized problem in Apple devices. I use a USB/bluetooth headphone DAC/amp. Most of the time, I plug it into my work laptop and listen to videos/music while I work. Sometimes, if a video ends or if I pause playback, my iPhone (which INSISTS on connecting to the amp) will take over and start playing music. I really wish you could turn off auto-connect to bluetooth devices.
- kaushikc 4y ago
  I suspect the problem could be the bluetooth technology itself.
georgelyon 4y ago
I've long desired form my AirPods to operate in a "play any sound from any of my devices" mode. This seems like a no-brainer and such phantom connections would as a result have no user-visible impact and you could do things like listen to music coming from your phone while hearing sounds from your MacBook.
- mgkimsal 4y ago
  Unsure if I would love or hate that, but it might be more natural than the iphone/airpods/mac "incoming call" fiasco I face regularly. Airpods/MacOS - listening to background music. Phone call comes in... VERY LOUD facetime 'ring' announces on mac that I'm getting a phone call. Pick up phone to answer it... holy tamole - it's minimum 8 seconds between clicking 'answer' and... eventually airpods switching over to phone - most of the time. To the calling party, I've 'answered', but they can't hear me - or... can sort of hear me, but I can't hear them. The speed at which the 'switch' takes place, and the visual delay (air pod icons turning on, then off, then on again, then a floating top notification saying "airpods connected"...)... this is always minimum 8 seconds. Usually 10-11. I just say "hang on, i'm switching my earpiece over..." and wait. Annoying. Given that this is all in their ecosystem, I expect this to get better, not worse. I'd rather this sort of experience get fixed vs more emojis, or 'sidecar' or whatnot.
  - leipert 4y ago
    Honest question: Why don’t you answer the call from the Mac? Or do you have that continuity feature disabled?
    - AdamGibbins 4y ago
      I disabled that as it has some very confusing and undesired behaviour. For example if you're listening to Spotify on your Mac, then get a call on your iPhone you hit pause on your keyboard media keys so you can pick up the call - and it hangs up.
    - mgkimsal 4y ago
      I usually want to walk away from the computer. I sit at the computer enough already. If a call comes in, I want - sometimes need - to be able to walk away. The long/short of it is, both devices 'know' about the airpods. Call comes in to phone, during an answer, having airpods switch to the phone quickly - like, under 2 seconds - is what I'm expecting. I'm not sure that's an unreasonable expectation (maybe it is?). At some point, I would think, given all the neural-core-AI stuff in the phones and ecosystem, it should know that I always switch airpods to phone to talk... maybe do it automatically at some point? The phone now knows my daily routine, giving me traffic updates 10 minutes before I normally leave to hit the gym. Yet... the 'fill in your email' prompts on the phone suggest 'my' email address is something I have not actively used in 11 years. I don't understand the 'why' behind some of these things. If the device is going to learn... when will it learn I don't use that email address any longer? Obviously separate issue, but... as has gone on for decades - we get loads of new features, but often little attention paid to clean up and refine last year's new features.
copperx 4y ago
Mine connects to the goddamn car, overriding my cell phone.
hamburglar 4y ago
This comment section is a sheer delight to anyone who’s ever said they prefer wired headphones because of the flakiness of Bluetooth and had a chorus of people respond that they must be doing something wrong because Bluetooth “just works.”
yamtaddle 4y ago
Seems like a hard choice between two kinds of behavior that will annoy two different sets of people, and are mutually exclusive.
- shortcake27 4y ago
  There used to be a option to disable bluetooth devices waking a Mac. It was removed a couple years ago. I can kind of understand because this would also prevent a keyboard/mouse waking the Mac, which isn’t ideal. I assume a lot of people were turning this setting off then complaining their Mac won’t wake. However, if a Macbook is sleeping and closed with no peripherals attached, I can’t see any use case for waking from bluetooth. It doesn’t make sense.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Sleeping but plugged into a monitor, while closed, would be one. For other cases, I suspect it's more about making sure the device(s) can be used almost instantly after waking. Does seem like it'd be nice if the behavior were something you could toggle, though.
unxdfa 4y ago
Mine doesn't do that at all (M1 14" MBP). Are you on an M1 macbook or an Intel one out of interest?
lrem 4y ago
Microsoft does the same. My Bose QC35s keep going "surface connected", "surface disconnected" every couple minutes.
lancesells 4y ago
Keyboard Maestro and Shortcuts.app can turn it on and off on Sleep and Wake.
tcmart14 4y ago
This is the exact headache I have.
_a_a_a_ 4y ago
This is hilarious. And people wonder why I'm such a Luddite.
- 867-5309 4y ago
  the best bit is when they want to squash features
eyelidlessness 4y ago
The number of issues like this that I hear about regularly from people who otherwise love their Apple hardware continually make me glad I’ve been a wired peripheral luddite, even as wired things with decent quality are increasingly hard to even find. I don’t think I’d recommend the preference to anyone who doesn’t already/still share it. But it’s a blissful quiet.
Tagbert 4y ago
You can go into the Bluetooth settings panel and tell it not to automatically connect to that device.
skrause 4y ago
Such a big thread of people complaining that their bluetooth headphones connect to the wrong device or not at all and how you could use third-party software to (maybe) fix it. And then there's me who still uses headphones with cables. I plug the cable into the device, it plays from this device, never fails. I also never need to charge my headphone. I still don't understand why anyone would voluntarily replace cables with wireless when it's such a worse use experience.
- tobr 4y ago
  Bluetooth is terrible (unreliable, slow to connect, extreme latency, bad sound quality), but wireless is great. Currently they are one and the same mediocre user experience, so I’m hoping UWB or something else can fix these problems sometime soon?
gloosx 4y ago
Most annoying thing is actually how bad bluetooth driver is. On multiple macbooks I had (2011-2022) the bluetooth will just not connect to things, randomly disconnect from them, unresponsive devices when thy are connected (also not responding to disconnect), problems connecting any keyboard but Apple™ Magic Keyboard, and of course, aggressive takeover of every device with a strong competition towards othre macbooks and iphone devices.
uncletammy 4y ago
How is this not seen as a massive privacy oversight?

supermdguy 4y ago

I hate that this isn't configurable by default, but bluesnooze solved this for me: https://github.com/odlp/bluesnooze https://github.com/odlp/bluesnooze

jbj 4y ago
this comments reminds me about owning a mac and installing a github repo to allow mouse scrolling direction to not be tied to touch pad scrolling [edit] just following up, it was UnnaturalScrollWheels, which have been notarized: https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag/1.2.3 https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag...
- addandsubtract 4y ago
  The zoom scroll is disconnected from the scroll direction as well. I'm not sure if they fixed it by now or if I just got used to it, but it was super disorienting when I noticed it.
- jdlyga 4y ago
  We typically use LinearMouse for this. Allows you to even set scrolling direction, scroll speed, acceleration profile, etc per mouse. But yeah, MacOS is a little like Gnome Shell. It requires a few basic apps to make it usable, but after that it's pretty excellent.
  - radlad 4y ago
    Thanks for mentioning LinearMouse. I've previously used Scroll Reverser so it's nice to hear of other options in this space.[0] [0] https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
    - graynk 4y ago
      MOS [0] is also pretty good, if you like smooth scroll. [0] https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
  - gligorot 4y ago
    Do you have a list of helpful apps?
- jraph 4y ago
  Hello 2005 GNU/Linux! Installing random packages to fix OS stuff that should work out of the box was fun for a while :-)
  - naikrovek 4y ago
    here's the thing, though: "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. no operating system ever has arrived on a user's computer completely configurable to any given user's preferences. you're complaining about something that simply isn't possible without third party software and time spent by the user in question.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      > "working as intended" and "working as you intend" are very different things. You're holding it wrong
- 0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
  I was surprised by needing to do this when switch to MacOS. So many things don't "just work" despite all that I've heard about it.
  - JohnBooty 4y ago
    Overwhelmingly, it does "just work" as Apple intended. However, it's often quite opinionated. So Apple's intended functionality may or may not jive with your preferences. This is neither a defense nor criticism of Apple, and it's not a defense or criticism of your preferences either. I will point out that anecdotally, I don't hear too many people wanting their mouse's scrolling to work in the opposite direction as their trackpad. I think Apple's probably got well over 99% of the userbase covered with the defaults and opinions here. From a software/QA/UX perspective things get wild pretty quickly if you cover every < 1% use case.
    - goosedragons 4y ago
      That setting is particularly terrible because they mirror it in both "mouse" and "trackpad" settings or at least that's how they used to do it. So it SEEMS like you can have independent settings for a mouse and trackpad but they control the same thing (which is equally weird, does any other setting do that?).
    - karaterobot 4y ago
      FWIW, I think the phrase "just works" implies that you, the user, should expect it to work without any tweaks or workarounds. So, the user's preferences are implied. Saying that it just works in many cases, or that it just works for Apple is not what is implied by that marketing. It's a strong promise that was chosen for a reason, and in many cases they do not live up to it.
      - taneq 4y ago
        Do they still use that line? While some of their newer stuff does meet that standard, a lot more “just works if you already know what it does“ (eg. AirPods need to be in the case to pair… why?) and still more seems kinda random (fk you iOS keyboard.)
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chenghuzi 4y ago
you can just use hammerspoon to get the same effect, turning off the bluetooth/wifi right after entering sleep mode and turning them back on when the Mac is unlocked.

tbarbugli 4y ago

I had the same, switching to Airpods “fixed” this problem. I doubt Apple will ever do something about this, bt audio works fine as long as you use iPhone, Macbook and Apple pods

cortesoft 4y ago
I have AirPods, but the experience still sucks with multiple devices. I have my phone, my laptop, my iPad, and two iPads for my kids, all on my account. I literally am unable to make my kid’s iPads forget my AirPods, because it is tied to the apple account. If I have the iPads forget them, it forgets them on all my devices. It is annoying as hell, I have to leave Bluetooth off on my kids iPads.
- zamnos 4y ago
  Umm, your children's accounts are on children accounts and not literally your account though, right? Because that could cause problems down the line. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-a-childs-device-iphfd0b65920/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-a-childs-devic...
  - hamburglar 4y ago
    “Ummm” aside, this is not at all obvious. I have an iPad from before I had kids. When setting it up, I was asked to enter my Apple ID, so I did. Then came kids and a new use for this iPad, and a second iPad, which obviously needed the same apps, and a third. No, it never occurred to me to set up appleids specifically for toddlers. It did eventually prompt me to set up a new “iPads” appleid when I switched from android to iPhone and suddenly discovered that all my text messages were being delivered to my children. But the ipads are family devices, not per-child, and if apple thinks I’m going to give each kid an appleid, they aren’t paying attention to how people actually want to use their devices.
    - zamnos 4y ago
      "Umm aside" not-aside, I'm sorry for triggering you. it's too late for me to edit my comment and take that out but I would if I could. So this may not be obvious to you, but what's obvious to someone isn't necessarily obvious to other people, and vice versa. In any case, I can see why creating a separate account if you only have toddlers seems too onerous. Don't worry though, they'll become teenagers who want (and deserve) the autonomy and agency of having their own account before you know it, even if sharing your photos to their idevice wasn't enough to motivate you. Separate accounts seems the most reasonably way do implement a shared but-not-system to preserve privacy, a favorite reason Apple cites as their reason for doing things. I'm not sure how else Apple could do a shared system for teens. I think there's a hack involving getting a cheap phone number for each toddler, adding that to iCloud, then disabling message delivery to that number but I haven't tested it.

cj 4y ago

Similarly, whenever I'm working at my kitchen table I always "lose" my mouse as if there's another monitor connected. I realized a couple weeks later MacOS display continuity (or "sidecar"?) was connecting to my Mac Mini located directly upstairs using it as a 2nd monitor while I'm downstairs. My apple watch also regularly unlocks my Mac Mini when I'm downstairs (Mac Mini in a bedroom upstairs). All of these features pose serious security issues if your physical location isn't secure/trusted. There really should be a "Travel Mode" for MacOS that disables features like these. No one wants airport security to open a laptop and have the apple watch immediately unlock it for them while standing 20 feet away (or in another room).

jackson1442 4y ago
Definitely should be an os-level feature to disable all that, similar to using panic mode on ios to disable biometrics. I personally boot my laptops to the filevault screen and no further when going through the security checkpoints. Keeps the disk encrypted and requires my password to continue.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  “Would you like to enter the password before or after I check in the back to see if we have any latex gloves left, sir?”
  - mikepurvis 4y ago
    Doesn't look like Filevault has a duress option— otherwise it'd be pretty nice to have a separate password that boots you to a dummy partition showing a fresh desktop install with apparently nothing on it. For bonus points, you could have the dummy OS kernel-patched so that it doesn't even show the other partitions as existing, and just pretends it's occupying the whole disk with mostly empty space. "That computer? Oh yeah, I just picked it up, officer; was going to start configuring it when when I arrive at my destination."
    - Someone 4y ago

dom96 4y ago

I have gotten used to switching off Bluetooth on my mac before closing the lid because of this. Infuriating.

gnicholas 4y ago

I don't understand why the bluetooth-stealing happens so often. I'll literally be in the middle of a podcast on my phone, and my iPad in the next room (on which my kids have been watching something) will take over my headphones. There's no change in state on either device (not stopping/starting), and I haven't moved close to the iPad (and the iPhone is much closer, in my pocket). I just have to turn off bluetooth entirely on the iPad to avoid this.

disgruntledphd2 4y ago
Bluetooth is basically the devil though. My Bose speaker cant handle the fact that I always want my Android phone, and keeps insisting that I really want my child's IPad.
TheBozzCL 4y ago
It's a generalized problem in Apple devices. I use a USB/bluetooth headphone DAC/amp. Most of the time, I plug it into my work laptop and listen to videos/music while I work. Sometimes, if a video ends or if I pause playback, my iPhone (which INSISTS on connecting to the amp) will take over and start playing music. I really wish you could turn off auto-connect to bluetooth devices.
kaushikc 4y ago
I suspect the problem could be the bluetooth technology itself.

georgelyon 4y ago

I've long desired form my AirPods to operate in a "play any sound from any of my devices" mode. This seems like a no-brainer and such phantom connections would as a result have no user-visible impact and you could do things like listen to music coming from your phone while hearing sounds from your MacBook.

mgkimsal 4y ago
Unsure if I would love or hate that, but it might be more natural than the iphone/airpods/mac "incoming call" fiasco I face regularly. Airpods/MacOS - listening to background music. Phone call comes in... VERY LOUD facetime 'ring' announces on mac that I'm getting a phone call. Pick up phone to answer it... holy tamole - it's minimum 8 seconds between clicking 'answer' and... eventually airpods switching over to phone - most of the time. To the calling party, I've 'answered', but they can't hear me - or... can sort of hear me, but I can't hear them. The speed at which the 'switch' takes place, and the visual delay (air pod icons turning on, then off, then on again, then a floating top notification saying "airpods connected"...)... this is always minimum 8 seconds. Usually 10-11. I just say "hang on, i'm switching my earpiece over..." and wait. Annoying. Given that this is all in their ecosystem, I expect this to get better, not worse. I'd rather this sort of experience get fixed vs more emojis, or 'sidecar' or whatnot.
- leipert 4y ago
  Honest question: Why don’t you answer the call from the Mac? Or do you have that continuity feature disabled?
  - AdamGibbins 4y ago
    I disabled that as it has some very confusing and undesired behaviour. For example if you're listening to Spotify on your Mac, then get a call on your iPhone you hit pause on your keyboard media keys so you can pick up the call - and it hangs up.
  - mgkimsal 4y ago
    I usually want to walk away from the computer. I sit at the computer enough already. If a call comes in, I want - sometimes need - to be able to walk away. The long/short of it is, both devices 'know' about the airpods. Call comes in to phone, during an answer, having airpods switch to the phone quickly - like, under 2 seconds - is what I'm expecting. I'm not sure that's an unreasonable expectation (maybe it is?). At some point, I would think, given all the neural-core-AI stuff in the phones and ecosystem, it should know that I always switch airpods to phone to talk... maybe do it automatically at some point? The phone now knows my daily routine, giving me traffic updates 10 minutes before I normally leave to hit the gym. Yet... the 'fill in your email' prompts on the phone suggest 'my' email address is something I have not actively used in 11 years. I don't understand the 'why' behind some of these things. If the device is going to learn... when will it learn I don't use that email address any longer? Obviously separate issue, but... as has gone on for decades - we get loads of new features, but often little attention paid to clean up and refine last year's new features.

copperx 4y ago

Mine connects to the goddamn car, overriding my cell phone.

hamburglar 4y ago

This comment section is a sheer delight to anyone who’s ever said they prefer wired headphones because of the flakiness of Bluetooth and had a chorus of people respond that they must be doing something wrong because Bluetooth “just works.”

yamtaddle 4y ago

Seems like a hard choice between two kinds of behavior that will annoy two different sets of people, and are mutually exclusive.

shortcake27 4y ago
There used to be a option to disable bluetooth devices waking a Mac. It was removed a couple years ago. I can kind of understand because this would also prevent a keyboard/mouse waking the Mac, which isn’t ideal. I assume a lot of people were turning this setting off then complaining their Mac won’t wake. However, if a Macbook is sleeping and closed with no peripherals attached, I can’t see any use case for waking from bluetooth. It doesn’t make sense.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Sleeping but plugged into a monitor, while closed, would be one. For other cases, I suspect it's more about making sure the device(s) can be used almost instantly after waking. Does seem like it'd be nice if the behavior were something you could toggle, though.

unxdfa 4y ago

Mine doesn't do that at all (M1 14" MBP). Are you on an M1 macbook or an Intel one out of interest?

lrem 4y ago

Microsoft does the same. My Bose QC35s keep going "surface connected", "surface disconnected" every couple minutes.

lancesells 4y ago

Keyboard Maestro and Shortcuts.app can turn it on and off on Sleep and Wake.

tcmart14 4y ago

This is the exact headache I have.

_a_a_a_ 4y ago

This is hilarious. And people wonder why I'm such a Luddite.

867-5309 4y ago
the best bit is when they want to squash features

eyelidlessness 4y ago

The number of issues like this that I hear about regularly from people who otherwise love their Apple hardware continually make me glad I’ve been a wired peripheral luddite, even as wired things with decent quality are increasingly hard to even find. I don’t think I’d recommend the preference to anyone who doesn’t already/still share it. But it’s a blissful quiet.

Tagbert 4y ago

You can go into the Bluetooth settings panel and tell it not to automatically connect to that device.

skrause 4y ago

Such a big thread of people complaining that their bluetooth headphones connect to the wrong device or not at all and how you could use third-party software to (maybe) fix it. And then there's me who still uses headphones with cables. I plug the cable into the device, it plays from this device, never fails. I also never need to charge my headphone. I still don't understand why anyone would voluntarily replace cables with wireless when it's such a worse use experience.

tobr 4y ago
Bluetooth is terrible (unreliable, slow to connect, extreme latency, bad sound quality), but wireless is great. Currently they are one and the same mediocre user experience, so I’m hoping UWB or something else can fix these problems sometime soon?

gloosx 4y ago

Most annoying thing is actually how bad bluetooth driver is. On multiple macbooks I had (2011-2022) the bluetooth will just not connect to things, randomly disconnect from them, unresponsive devices when thy are connected (also not responding to disconnect), problems connecting any keyboard but Apple™ Magic Keyboard, and of course, aggressive takeover of every device with a strong competition towards othre macbooks and iphone devices.

uncletammy 4y ago

How is this not seen as a massive privacy oversight?