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439 points by mzs 4y ago

mzs 4y ago
>Haraldur Þorleifsson Sweeps Person of the Year Awards >One of his best-known projects is Ramp Up Iceland, which is building ramps throughout the nation to increase accessibility for people in wheelchairs. He has also personally donated to the legal funds of victims of sexual abuse, and has garnered praise for charitable donations to families in need this holiday season. https://www.icelandreview.com/news/haraldur-thorleifsson-sweeps-person-of-the-year-awards/ https://www.icelandreview.com/news/haraldur-thorleifsson-swe...
- kzrdude 4y ago
  > Notably, he was one of the highest tax payers in the nation after the sale of Ueno. He's definitely a man that gives back to his community. And seems to be busy creating, and working.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    Even more so, he was one of the highest taxpayers in the nation because he decided to be paid in cash (taxed at 46%) instead of shares (capital gains, taxed at 22%), specifically so he'd be taxed more, as he considers that the country helped him a lot with his disability.
- alkonaut 4y ago
  I can see why this man would be rubbing Musk the wrong way. He appears to be everything Elon Musk isn't. He's a Mensch. To a narcissist who doesn't like a person like this, the brain says "Either he's a fraud, or I'm the asshole". And a narcissist brain will settle that question in e heartbeat, with the wrong answer.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  Elon has come to his senses and called Haraldur directly. Based on his latest tweet it seems Haraldur may continue his work at Twitter.
iguana_lawyer 4y ago
Publicly disclosing an employee’s disability, mocking it, claiming they are faking it, and then saying it is the reason they were fired. Employment attorneys are going to tear Elon to pieces over this. I hope those holding shares of Tesla stock feel really good about supporting this behavior. Edit: I want to know which account flagged the original post and I want them to explain why they did. Hello. Is that you, Elon?
- throwaway29303 4y ago
  Publicly disclosing an employee’s disability, mocking it, claiming they are faking it, and then saying it is the reason they were fired. I'm having a hard time finding posts from Elon where he does that - care to help me? Thank you.
  - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
    The link of the HN post where we are discussing right now. "The reality is that this guy (who is independently wealthy) did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm. Can’t say I have a lot of respect for that."
    - gumby 4y ago
      People shouldn't be downvoting this because Karwebnetwork is providing the text of the tweet in question. They probably should have (and it's still editable as I type) marked it "here is the text of the tweet in question" because if you don't know that it does look like Karwebnetwork is the one making the offensive comment.
  - matthews2 4y ago
    Probably the Tweet the OP is replying to. > did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm.
  - flounder3 4y ago
drumhead 4y ago
Elon likes to dish it out, but he doesnt like taking it himself does he.
- masklinn 4y ago
  That's a complicated way of saying Musk is a basic bully.
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jcomis 4y ago
What an incredibly fragile person Elon has shown himself to be.
thinkingkong 4y ago
What I can't understand about Elon's approach is how easy it would be to do nothing. Like he could easily just ignore these tweets and not have a massive public thread where he gets eviscerated. I can appreciate that there are a large number of people who will come to a billionaires defence, for whatever reason but surely it would be easier to just send the tweet to HR with a "?".
- deleted 4y ago
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- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Kind of the definition of a personality disorder. To reasonably well-adjusted people it seems perplexing. Elon isn’t in the driver’s seat for his own impulses.
  - birdyrooster 4y ago
    Yes the self defeating actions seem to be a loss of agency because he is so deliberate otherwise in marketing and his words are marketing for his businesses like it or not. His petulant sociopathic fans make it even harder to like Elon or buy his products because I feel the need to silently counter these assholes from having their supply. He seems to have cultivated a following of uncaring cynical dick heads.
    - Waterluvian 4y ago
      I wonder if people like these types because they validate their own shortcomings. How can you feel shame about your impulse towards being a horrible bigot when the President of the free world or a multi-billionaire is just like you!
- neaden 4y ago
  It's because he is a bully and enjoys feeling powerful by being snarky to someone less powerful to him and then having a bunch of people compliment him for doing it. Like I wish that wasn't the reason and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile but it's pretty clear at this point it's just because he likes to do it.
piva00 4y ago
It's not really surprising anymore but it still amuses me that most replies agreeing with Elon's public diatribes are a collection of quacks and kooks of every kind. From disgraced professors to magical healing people, to conspiracy nutters, crypto-bros and "Millionaire at 40, looking for companies that make the future happen"-bio profiles. It seems that Elon really created his own bubble of quacks as followers, and feels empowered by that. Actually, when I think deeper about it, it's a little scary...
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  It’s not clear to me what they’re agreeing with him on? - That employees have no right to know whether or not they’re employed? - Or that employee private medical information should be allowed to be disclosed publicly? This whole thing started because Twitter’s HR couldn’t tell this person if he was or wasn’t employed by Twitter. He guessed the only way he would get an answer was to publicly ask Elon on Twitter. And guess what, he was right! That indeed turned out to be the only way to get an answer. Elon further decided to commit a bunch of privacy and employment rights abuses but fundamentally it was simply a question of an HR dept that didn’t know who it employed.
  - piva00 4y ago
    I think "agreeing" was the wrong choice of words from me, I'm sorry, substitute it for "egging on" or "supporting". They're literally followers, if Elon said/did there's a good reason for it. As classic as it can be for a cult of personality.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    > It’s not clear to me what they’re agreeing with him on? They're agreeing with him that he is the infallible Dear Leader, pretty much. The Musk following, at this stage, is a full-blown personality cult; what Musk is actually saying/doing is rather beside the point.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      You say that, but I'd bet that if he started tweeting responsibly and acting respectful his followers would quickly lose interest.
b0sk 4y ago
Not surprising, isn't it? He did call a Thailand cave rescuer "pedo" because the rescuer had the gall to reject Elon's idea.
iamsaitam 4y ago
Is being petty at the top of Elon's priority list? I'd imagine there would be more pressing concerns taking into account the projects he has a foothold in.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  It sounds like a joke when you say it straight out like that. But yes, his actions have made clear for quite some time now that petty vindictiveness is a high priority for him, one he's willing to sacrifice other goals to accomplish.
  - neaden 4y ago
    Having an extra billion dollars doesn't actually effect his life at all with his level of wealth. He's after the feeling of power at this point and is willing to lose/spend huge amounts of money for that feeling.
- jccalhoun 4y ago
  This is a guy who is the head of 3 companies and father of 10 kids and this is how he chooses to spend his time.
Veen 4y ago
Reminds me of the "pedo diver" tweet. That's the point at which my opinion of Musk changed from "admirable but occasionally childish" to "dickhead who has had a few good ideas and got very lucky". Stuff like this is just par for the course now.
- FredPret 4y ago
  He could a dickhead who is also very good at building companies
  - nojvek 4y ago
    Elon loves sci-fi and it's clear he puts money where his mouth is and funds them even though there is a high risk of losing. Tesla and SpaceX were both v risky bets. He also seems good at hiring the right folks to take ideas and execute on them. Although like Howard Hughes he is quite the narcissist. Twitter is fumbling, he's being a d-head and picking fights in open. I imagine it's costing him quite a few potential Tesla buyers.
lewisflude 4y ago
I wonder what ramifications Elon's unprofessional and aggressive management style will have on start-up culture in the long run. My instincts are that for many he'll become a sort of anti-role model, but for other's he'll affirm their existing beliefs that to be a great leader, you have to disregard employees/users feelings and focus purely on doing your best to optimise. That being said, this makes me curious how (if?) Elon manages/measures his reputational impact, and if he even cares how he comes across when he says things like this. Is there an upside (for Elon) to him acting like this?
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  I mean we went through the Steve Jobs era of product visionary and apparent asshole extraordinaire. I think the average EQ of startup founders is increasing and employees have far less tolerance for horrible bosses. So with more options comes more opportunity and the power of assholes in charge decreases. >Is there an upside (for Elon) to him acting like Behind every mad man is a sad man. He is using his workaholism (his addiction to work and also his addiction to power) to ease his depression. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-says-he-may-have-depression-like-millions-of-overworked-americans-in-their-40s-and-50s-2017-08-01 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-says-he-may-have... Even Steve Jobs was depressed and his covert depression became overt after he was fired from Apple.
achow 4y ago
It's worthwhile to repost it again. https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296/elon-wyd https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296... Excerpt Managing Elon was a huge part of the company (SpaceX) culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  It must be so much easier these days with him distracted with a new toy.
CharlesW 4y ago
I am in awe of @iamharaldur's response. Bravo. Here's what will ruin Elon's day: Even with the algorithm now artificially boosting Musk's tweets¹, Halli's response has more likes. ¹ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forced-algorithm-change-to-help-boost-his-tweets-platformer-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forc...
- ncr100 4y ago
  This is a 404 for me. Edit: works!
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    Fixed above, thank you!
    - ncr100 4y ago
      You welcome
mrcwinn 4y ago
I'm curious why this was flagged and removed from the HN homepage.
- josefresco 4y ago
  Me too! I clicked through, read the thread, came back to HN and it was gone! I resubmitted and it took me here. Maybe dang will chime in.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Maybe dang will chime in. According to dang, flags almost invariably come from HN users, not from HN moderators. It was the Musk fans.
- fabian2k 4y ago
  Flagging seems rather arbitrary at times here. There is the vouching feature to counteract this, but I don't see the option right now. I'm not sure if this is only available if the post is dead entirely, or what other restrictions this has.
- Veen 4y ago
  It's annoying, but I can see why it was flagged. The thread isn't going to be very interesting. It'll just be a bunch of people being rude about Musk (justifiably) and a bunch of people excusing his behavior.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > The thread isn't going to be very interesting. I was going to reply and say that it's important for people to see the tweets anyway, but then I realized that the people most in need of seeing the tweets are the ones who did see them and flagged this submission. I wonder if there are any "undecideds" remaining, or if everyone here has already sorted into pro-Musk/anti-Musk groups? I heard some people started to change their minds about Trump after he mocked a disabled reporter, so I don't know.
  - runarberg 4y ago
alkonaut 4y ago
Someone flagged this now. Elon that you?
- wetpaws 4y ago
  The Unbearable Weight of Massive Ego
belter 4y ago
Why is this flagged?
- drcongo 4y ago
  Musk's tech bro army will fight for him no matter what he does.
  - ncr100 4y ago
    Being a sycophant is its own reward. That vicarious emotional rush. I imagine that's what's going on.
- luckylion 4y ago
  It's reddit content, and really should stay there.
  - gcl09 4y ago
    No, it is not. And nothing about this seems to violate the guidelines [0]. In fact, I'd say fits pretty well with the 'on topic' part of the 'what to submit' section. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - luckylion 4y ago
      "I want outrage" is neither interesting nor stimulating, and there are already plenty of sites to go to for that. There's no need to turn HN into another one.
      - belter 4y ago
        The impulsive, child like, revengeful, behavior of the Tesla CEO, is highly relevant for the general audience below. Very likely to be a non negligible part of this site readers: - VCs - Tesla Shareholders - Tesla Owners - Twitter Employees - SpaceX Employees - General analysts of what really makes for the success of Tech Companies. The presence of the CEO or it's thankful leave of absence at the controls. - General admirers of human imperfections - Promoters of AI has a better deserving custodian of the Planet - Remote bored Aliens, with a lifespan of 50,000 years, and a curated HN feed, laughing their 4 mouths off out of our primitive illogical egos.
fwlr 4y ago
Good lord, this guy is like Gandhi but championing middle management. I can’t believe I only pay 8 bucks a month for this kind of entertainment. Between Sydney’s ChatBPD outbursts and Musk getting lawyers to lift NDAs to do hostile exit interviews live on Twitter, it feels like the wild old Internet again for a brief moment. We’re so back.
shrikant 4y ago
I'm confused by one of the Musk tweets in the earlier "exit interview" thread referenced: https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1632931816750346242 https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1632931816750346242 Has he not actually seen Office Space? Does he not know that the guys going "what woud you say you actually do here" are the clueless consultants who don't really understand how the business works? Or am I the one who is either misremembering, or fallen out of touch with what memes mean these days?
- rsynnott 4y ago
  This happens a lot; something quotable is eventually shorn of its original context and used completely inappropriately. A much older example is "neither a borrower nor a lender be", repeated as a wise proverb, from Shakespeare no less! The generally-ignored context is that Shakespeare put it in the mouth of Polonius, a character whose apparent role it is to be wrong about everything.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    People even ignore the rest of a sentence. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
- masklinn 4y ago
  This is a running theme for Musk, he rarely seems to understand the logic of what he posts, just randomly regurgitating them like a meme-based chinese room, then preening when he gets praised by the "meme community" or one of his simps.
slantaclaus 4y ago
Again, should probably flag the flagger here
mrandish 4y ago
From Steve Jobs to Thomas Edison, history is littered with disruptors who could be assholes but, in spite of being assholes, still managed to accomplish remarkable things. Elon is apparently an asshole. Sure, it'd be much better if Elon were a positive public role model or even a likable guy but it's not absolutely required. Elon just needs to stop tweeting, find a competent "Gwen Shotwell" to run Twitter and get his focus back on succeeding (or failing) at the kinds of very high-risk, high-impact things he might be remembered for in a hundred years (like energizing the entire private and public space industries). I guess I'm weird but I try to separate my personal feelings and preferences when assessing the effectiveness and value of public figures (politicians, corporate leaders, celebrities, etc). In cases like this, it's not easy.
akmarinov 4y ago
Just call him a pedo and get it over with, Elon
imaurer 4y ago
It's still on the top of hckrnews: https://hckrnews.com/ https://hckrnews.com/
insane_dreamer 4y ago
@dang, it doesn't seem this post warrants a flag; the post is neither irrelevant nor inappropriate
- dang 4y ago
  I have to disagree - it's simply the latest drama in an extremely long, repetitive, nasty sequence and not at all in the intended spirit of this site. More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35060935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35060935
  - insane_dreamer 4y ago
    fair enough
KomoD 4y ago
Why is this still flagged?
NicoJuicy 4y ago
This is the most pathetic thing i ever see a human ( = Elon) do. Title should be: "Picking a fight with a disabled acquired founder who didn't knew he was fired since 9 days"
znpy 4y ago
Why on earth is this flagged?
mike503 4y ago
I liked Elon more when he was "disrupting" things like space travel, Mars colonization, human modifications, self-driving cars, all the stuff of sci-fi. Not saying he's the genius behind it all, but at least he was a hype man who could get things going. Taking over a social network that already exists and seemingly bumbling around with it isn't moving the human experience further. It's distracting and pulling energy away from being the face of a lot of trailblazing stuff. I'm tired of headlines about him and Twitter. Get back to all the shit you look at like "damn, that's being worked on too? Interesting!" Trying to make a social network profitable and "free speech" (what a joke) isn't interesting. It's boring.
LangIsAllWeNeed 4y ago
He was so much easier to defend as a person before twitter. So sad. Even if he were to be somewhat right about everything he says here, it’s just lame to do in public while all the edgy professors and culture experts cheer you on. Maybe he’s on drugs I hope.

439 points by mzs 4y ago

mzs 4y ago

>Haraldur Þorleifsson Sweeps Person of the Year Awards >One of his best-known projects is Ramp Up Iceland, which is building ramps throughout the nation to increase accessibility for people in wheelchairs. He has also personally donated to the legal funds of victims of sexual abuse, and has garnered praise for charitable donations to families in need this holiday season. https://www.icelandreview.com/news/haraldur-thorleifsson-sweeps-person-of-the-year-awards/ https://www.icelandreview.com/news/haraldur-thorleifsson-swe...

kzrdude 4y ago
> Notably, he was one of the highest tax payers in the nation after the sale of Ueno. He's definitely a man that gives back to his community. And seems to be busy creating, and working.
- masklinn 4y ago
  Even more so, he was one of the highest taxpayers in the nation because he decided to be paid in cash (taxed at 46%) instead of shares (capital gains, taxed at 22%), specifically so he'd be taxed more, as he considers that the country helped him a lot with his disability.
alkonaut 4y ago
I can see why this man would be rubbing Musk the wrong way. He appears to be everything Elon Musk isn't. He's a Mensch. To a narcissist who doesn't like a person like this, the brain says "Either he's a fraud, or I'm the asshole". And a narcissist brain will settle that question in e heartbeat, with the wrong answer.
ashwagary 4y ago
Elon has come to his senses and called Haraldur directly. Based on his latest tweet it seems Haraldur may continue his work at Twitter.

iguana_lawyer 4y ago

Publicly disclosing an employee’s disability, mocking it, claiming they are faking it, and then saying it is the reason they were fired. Employment attorneys are going to tear Elon to pieces over this. I hope those holding shares of Tesla stock feel really good about supporting this behavior. Edit: I want to know which account flagged the original post and I want them to explain why they did. Hello. Is that you, Elon?

throwaway29303 4y ago
Publicly disclosing an employee’s disability, mocking it, claiming they are faking it, and then saying it is the reason they were fired. I'm having a hard time finding posts from Elon where he does that - care to help me? Thank you.
- Karawebnetwork 4y ago
  The link of the HN post where we are discussing right now. "The reality is that this guy (who is independently wealthy) did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm. Can’t say I have a lot of respect for that."
  - gumby 4y ago
    People shouldn't be downvoting this because Karwebnetwork is providing the text of the tweet in question. They probably should have (and it's still editable as I type) marked it "here is the text of the tweet in question" because if you don't know that it does look like Karwebnetwork is the one making the offensive comment.
- matthews2 4y ago
  Probably the Tweet the OP is replying to. > did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm.
- flounder3 4y ago

drumhead 4y ago

Elon likes to dish it out, but he doesnt like taking it himself does he.

masklinn 4y ago
That's a complicated way of saying Musk is a basic bully.

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jcomis 4y ago

What an incredibly fragile person Elon has shown himself to be.

thinkingkong 4y ago

What I can't understand about Elon's approach is how easy it would be to do nothing. Like he could easily just ignore these tweets and not have a massive public thread where he gets eviscerated. I can appreciate that there are a large number of people who will come to a billionaires defence, for whatever reason but surely it would be easier to just send the tweet to HR with a "?".

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Waterluvian 4y ago
Kind of the definition of a personality disorder. To reasonably well-adjusted people it seems perplexing. Elon isn’t in the driver’s seat for his own impulses.
- birdyrooster 4y ago
  Yes the self defeating actions seem to be a loss of agency because he is so deliberate otherwise in marketing and his words are marketing for his businesses like it or not. His petulant sociopathic fans make it even harder to like Elon or buy his products because I feel the need to silently counter these assholes from having their supply. He seems to have cultivated a following of uncaring cynical dick heads.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    I wonder if people like these types because they validate their own shortcomings. How can you feel shame about your impulse towards being a horrible bigot when the President of the free world or a multi-billionaire is just like you!
neaden 4y ago
It's because he is a bully and enjoys feeling powerful by being snarky to someone less powerful to him and then having a bunch of people compliment him for doing it. Like I wish that wasn't the reason and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile but it's pretty clear at this point it's just because he likes to do it.

piva00 4y ago

It's not really surprising anymore but it still amuses me that most replies agreeing with Elon's public diatribes are a collection of quacks and kooks of every kind. From disgraced professors to magical healing people, to conspiracy nutters, crypto-bros and "Millionaire at 40, looking for companies that make the future happen"-bio profiles. It seems that Elon really created his own bubble of quacks as followers, and feels empowered by that. Actually, when I think deeper about it, it's a little scary...

rhaway84773 4y ago
It’s not clear to me what they’re agreeing with him on? - That employees have no right to know whether or not they’re employed? - Or that employee private medical information should be allowed to be disclosed publicly? This whole thing started because Twitter’s HR couldn’t tell this person if he was or wasn’t employed by Twitter. He guessed the only way he would get an answer was to publicly ask Elon on Twitter. And guess what, he was right! That indeed turned out to be the only way to get an answer. Elon further decided to commit a bunch of privacy and employment rights abuses but fundamentally it was simply a question of an HR dept that didn’t know who it employed.
- piva00 4y ago
  I think "agreeing" was the wrong choice of words from me, I'm sorry, substitute it for "egging on" or "supporting". They're literally followers, if Elon said/did there's a good reason for it. As classic as it can be for a cult of personality.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  > It’s not clear to me what they’re agreeing with him on? They're agreeing with him that he is the infallible Dear Leader, pretty much. The Musk following, at this stage, is a full-blown personality cult; what Musk is actually saying/doing is rather beside the point.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    You say that, but I'd bet that if he started tweeting responsibly and acting respectful his followers would quickly lose interest.

b0sk 4y ago

Not surprising, isn't it? He did call a Thailand cave rescuer "pedo" because the rescuer had the gall to reject Elon's idea.

iamsaitam 4y ago

Is being petty at the top of Elon's priority list? I'd imagine there would be more pressing concerns taking into account the projects he has a foothold in.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
It sounds like a joke when you say it straight out like that. But yes, his actions have made clear for quite some time now that petty vindictiveness is a high priority for him, one he's willing to sacrifice other goals to accomplish.
- neaden 4y ago
  Having an extra billion dollars doesn't actually effect his life at all with his level of wealth. He's after the feeling of power at this point and is willing to lose/spend huge amounts of money for that feeling.
jccalhoun 4y ago
This is a guy who is the head of 3 companies and father of 10 kids and this is how he chooses to spend his time.

Veen 4y ago

Reminds me of the "pedo diver" tweet. That's the point at which my opinion of Musk changed from "admirable but occasionally childish" to "dickhead who has had a few good ideas and got very lucky". Stuff like this is just par for the course now.

FredPret 4y ago
He could a dickhead who is also very good at building companies
- nojvek 4y ago
  Elon loves sci-fi and it's clear he puts money where his mouth is and funds them even though there is a high risk of losing. Tesla and SpaceX were both v risky bets. He also seems good at hiring the right folks to take ideas and execute on them. Although like Howard Hughes he is quite the narcissist. Twitter is fumbling, he's being a d-head and picking fights in open. I imagine it's costing him quite a few potential Tesla buyers.

lewisflude 4y ago

I wonder what ramifications Elon's unprofessional and aggressive management style will have on start-up culture in the long run. My instincts are that for many he'll become a sort of anti-role model, but for other's he'll affirm their existing beliefs that to be a great leader, you have to disregard employees/users feelings and focus purely on doing your best to optimise. That being said, this makes me curious how (if?) Elon manages/measures his reputational impact, and if he even cares how he comes across when he says things like this. Is there an upside (for Elon) to him acting like this?

theGnuMe 4y ago
I mean we went through the Steve Jobs era of product visionary and apparent asshole extraordinaire. I think the average EQ of startup founders is increasing and employees have far less tolerance for horrible bosses. So with more options comes more opportunity and the power of assholes in charge decreases. >Is there an upside (for Elon) to him acting like Behind every mad man is a sad man. He is using his workaholism (his addiction to work and also his addiction to power) to ease his depression. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-says-he-may-have-depression-like-millions-of-overworked-americans-in-their-40s-and-50s-2017-08-01 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-says-he-may-have... Even Steve Jobs was depressed and his covert depression became overt after he was fired from Apple.

achow 4y ago

It's worthwhile to repost it again. https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296/elon-wyd https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296... Excerpt Managing Elon was a huge part of the company (SpaceX) culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
It must be so much easier these days with him distracted with a new toy.

CharlesW 4y ago

I am in awe of @iamharaldur's response. Bravo. Here's what will ruin Elon's day: Even with the algorithm now artificially boosting Musk's tweets¹, Halli's response has more likes. ¹ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forced-algorithm-change-to-help-boost-his-tweets-platformer-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forc...

ncr100 4y ago
This is a 404 for me. Edit: works!
- CharlesW 4y ago
  Fixed above, thank you!
  - ncr100 4y ago
    You welcome

mrcwinn 4y ago

I'm curious why this was flagged and removed from the HN homepage.

josefresco 4y ago
Me too! I clicked through, read the thread, came back to HN and it was gone! I resubmitted and it took me here. Maybe dang will chime in.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > Maybe dang will chime in. According to dang, flags almost invariably come from HN users, not from HN moderators. It was the Musk fans.
fabian2k 4y ago
Flagging seems rather arbitrary at times here. There is the vouching feature to counteract this, but I don't see the option right now. I'm not sure if this is only available if the post is dead entirely, or what other restrictions this has.
Veen 4y ago
It's annoying, but I can see why it was flagged. The thread isn't going to be very interesting. It'll just be a bunch of people being rude about Musk (justifiably) and a bunch of people excusing his behavior.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > The thread isn't going to be very interesting. I was going to reply and say that it's important for people to see the tweets anyway, but then I realized that the people most in need of seeing the tweets are the ones who did see them and flagged this submission. I wonder if there are any "undecideds" remaining, or if everyone here has already sorted into pro-Musk/anti-Musk groups? I heard some people started to change their minds about Trump after he mocked a disabled reporter, so I don't know.
- runarberg 4y ago

alkonaut 4y ago

Someone flagged this now. Elon that you?

wetpaws 4y ago
The Unbearable Weight of Massive Ego

belter 4y ago

Why is this flagged?

drcongo 4y ago
Musk's tech bro army will fight for him no matter what he does.
- ncr100 4y ago
  Being a sycophant is its own reward. That vicarious emotional rush. I imagine that's what's going on.
luckylion 4y ago
It's reddit content, and really should stay there.
- gcl09 4y ago
  No, it is not. And nothing about this seems to violate the guidelines [0]. In fact, I'd say fits pretty well with the 'on topic' part of the 'what to submit' section. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - luckylion 4y ago
    "I want outrage" is neither interesting nor stimulating, and there are already plenty of sites to go to for that. There's no need to turn HN into another one.
    - belter 4y ago
      The impulsive, child like, revengeful, behavior of the Tesla CEO, is highly relevant for the general audience below. Very likely to be a non negligible part of this site readers: - VCs - Tesla Shareholders - Tesla Owners - Twitter Employees - SpaceX Employees - General analysts of what really makes for the success of Tech Companies. The presence of the CEO or it's thankful leave of absence at the controls. - General admirers of human imperfections - Promoters of AI has a better deserving custodian of the Planet - Remote bored Aliens, with a lifespan of 50,000 years, and a curated HN feed, laughing their 4 mouths off out of our primitive illogical egos.

fwlr 4y ago

Good lord, this guy is like Gandhi but championing middle management. I can’t believe I only pay 8 bucks a month for this kind of entertainment. Between Sydney’s ChatBPD outbursts and Musk getting lawyers to lift NDAs to do hostile exit interviews live on Twitter, it feels like the wild old Internet again for a brief moment. We’re so back.

shrikant 4y ago

I'm confused by one of the Musk tweets in the earlier "exit interview" thread referenced: https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1632931816750346242 https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1632931816750346242 Has he not actually seen Office Space? Does he not know that the guys going "what woud you say you actually do here" are the clueless consultants who don't really understand how the business works? Or am I the one who is either misremembering, or fallen out of touch with what memes mean these days?

rsynnott 4y ago
This happens a lot; something quotable is eventually shorn of its original context and used completely inappropriately. A much older example is "neither a borrower nor a lender be", repeated as a wise proverb, from Shakespeare no less! The generally-ignored context is that Shakespeare put it in the mouth of Polonius, a character whose apparent role it is to be wrong about everything.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  People even ignore the rest of a sentence. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
masklinn 4y ago
This is a running theme for Musk, he rarely seems to understand the logic of what he posts, just randomly regurgitating them like a meme-based chinese room, then preening when he gets praised by the "meme community" or one of his simps.

slantaclaus 4y ago

Again, should probably flag the flagger here

mrandish 4y ago

From Steve Jobs to Thomas Edison, history is littered with disruptors who could be assholes but, in spite of being assholes, still managed to accomplish remarkable things. Elon is apparently an asshole. Sure, it'd be much better if Elon were a positive public role model or even a likable guy but it's not absolutely required. Elon just needs to stop tweeting, find a competent "Gwen Shotwell" to run Twitter and get his focus back on succeeding (or failing) at the kinds of very high-risk, high-impact things he might be remembered for in a hundred years (like energizing the entire private and public space industries). I guess I'm weird but I try to separate my personal feelings and preferences when assessing the effectiveness and value of public figures (politicians, corporate leaders, celebrities, etc). In cases like this, it's not easy.

akmarinov 4y ago

Just call him a pedo and get it over with, Elon

imaurer 4y ago

It's still on the top of hckrnews: https://hckrnews.com/ https://hckrnews.com/

insane_dreamer 4y ago

@dang, it doesn't seem this post warrants a flag; the post is neither irrelevant nor inappropriate

dang 4y ago
I have to disagree - it's simply the latest drama in an extremely long, repetitive, nasty sequence and not at all in the intended spirit of this site. More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35060935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35060935
- insane_dreamer 4y ago
  fair enough

KomoD 4y ago

Why is this still flagged?

NicoJuicy 4y ago

This is the most pathetic thing i ever see a human ( = Elon) do. Title should be: "Picking a fight with a disabled acquired founder who didn't knew he was fired since 9 days"

znpy 4y ago

Why on earth is this flagged?

mike503 4y ago

I liked Elon more when he was "disrupting" things like space travel, Mars colonization, human modifications, self-driving cars, all the stuff of sci-fi. Not saying he's the genius behind it all, but at least he was a hype man who could get things going. Taking over a social network that already exists and seemingly bumbling around with it isn't moving the human experience further. It's distracting and pulling energy away from being the face of a lot of trailblazing stuff. I'm tired of headlines about him and Twitter. Get back to all the shit you look at like "damn, that's being worked on too? Interesting!" Trying to make a social network profitable and "free speech" (what a joke) isn't interesting. It's boring.

LangIsAllWeNeed 4y ago

He was so much easier to defend as a person before twitter. So sad. Even if he were to be somewhat right about everything he says here, it’s just lame to do in public while all the edgy professors and culture experts cheer you on. Maybe he’s on drugs I hope.