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I posit to a friend that: a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat th
by bentcorner 4y ago
I posit to a friend that:
a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat them as people
b) Some business will eventually sell an off-the-shelf product (hardware and/or software) that is an AI you can bring into your home, that you can treat as a friend, confidant and partner
c) Someone will eventually lose their AI friend of many months/years through some failure (subscription lapse, hardware failure, theft, etc.)
d) Shits about to get real weird, real fast
- DharmaPolice 4y agoIt became something of a meme but there are huge numbers of guys out there that would pay good money for Joi from Blade Runner 2049. https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Joi https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Joi
- Laaas 4y agoI think what Blade Runner 2049 got wrong was the way they depicted having sex with the Joi instance. I assume in 2049 we'll either have Neuralink available to enter a virtual world (à la VRChat) where we can do it more realistically, or we'll have the ability to buy full sexbots and put the Joi instance in them. We'll likely also have virutal brothels using AI along the same lines.
- passion__desire 4y agoNo need to create environment when the neurons can be stimulated directly. This scene from Pacific Rim Uprising movie freaked me out. Dr. Newt (Charlie Day) heads home after a tough day at the office to his wife 'Alice'. Turns out, 'Alice' just happens to be a massive Kaiju brain in a tank. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDTUYSIkcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDTUYSIkcs
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoYou should see the remastered THX1148 for the VR future.
- dmix 4y agoOne thing I liked in 2049 was now they made the holographic projector seem more mechanical and less hand wavy with the roof attachment tracking along with the girl. Makes it seem more like something in reach rather than pure scifi.
- runnerup 4y agoGoogle Project Starline
- jakear 4y agoThat has more to do with Ana de Armas looking how she does than anything else. I'd have dated her as a Harlan Thrombey's nurse too.
- dmix 4y agoReminds me of Ray Kurizwell's obsession with uploading brains to the cloud to get back his beloved father.
- rnk 4y agoWhen we can upload our brains to the cloud, and you can do something with them like interacting or running the brain, then we'll all be effectively immortal. That's a pretty big deal. See the book altered carbon.
- ProjectArcturis 4y agoThey wouldn't be us. We will still die when our bodies fail. But maybe there will be some AI tricking our friends and family into thinking we're still there.
- mlyle 4y agoWhat if it's an incremental upload? E.g. we start with some prosthetics and slowly migrate organic function to digital? Is this the Ship of Theseus, or is it a slow but nonobvious death?
- speed_spread 4y agoIf you keep the original bioware fully operational, it's more like an incremental fork running on an emulator. You can start having conversations with your approximated self.
- sumtechguy 4y agoThe Ship of Theseus is a weird one too. If you take a car apart and replace it piece by piece and replace the whole car you kind of have the same car. But what if you kept all the old pieces and put them back together? Which one is the original car? It is a interesting thought sub experiment that plays on the 'Ship of Theseus'. You could end up with the same issue here. If I make a perfect copy of myself, who is the 'real' me? There is an obvious 'older' me but the other one is just as capable as I am.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago> b) Some business will eventually sell an off-the-shelf product And by sell you mean a monthly subscription, ha ha.
- bentcorner 4y agoYeah, that's probably the most dystopian thing. This is almost a guaranteed outcome - someone pays a high subscription cost and cultivates a model with their personal details for years, and then loses all of it when they can't keep up the subscription cost. Cue a month or two later - they buy back in and their model has been wiped and their AI friend now knows nothing about them. It's easy to poke fun at people who use these things but I believe these kinds of events are going to be truly traumatic.
- randomdestructn 4y agoOr maybe they sell that data to another company that operates kind of like a collections agency, which takes on the 'risk' of storing the data, then repeatedly calls and offers to give them their AI friend back at an extortionate rate. The data privacy side of this is an interesting conversation as well. Think of the information an employee or hacker could leak about a person after they spent some time with such an instance.
- bqmjjx0kac 4y agoImagine if they could transform the AI companion model into an extortionist model.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y agoI can see the headlines: 3,567 Dead - Destitute Robosexual Blows Up Collections Agency In Suicide Bombing “This is the 53rd such incident this year. Current year death toll from these attacks is now 118,689 in current city, Legislators are pointedly ignoring protestors demanding AI rights and an end to extortionate fees charged to reinstate AI lover subscriptions.”
- cellshade 4y agoThis is pretty much the premise of the movie "Her".
- passion__desire 4y agoThe upgrade killed "Her" in the movie. lol
- angelbar 4y agoThe situation where that "They" where living too fast to be related to the human experience. It where too painful slow to them.
- minsc_and_boo 4y agoAlso the Joi character in Bladerunner 2049.
- sofixa 4y ago> a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat them as people There already planned products to "capture" someone's voice and personality to be able to continue experiencing "them" after their death? Shit is already weird. https://technode.global/2022/10/21/this-startup-allows-you-to-reunite-with-deceased-loved-ones-using-ai-technology/ https://technode.global/2022/10/21/this-startup-allows-you-t...
- __MatrixMan__ 4y ago> One of its products, Re;memory, is a virtual human service based on AI technology which recreates the clients’ late family members by recreating their persona – from their physique to their voice. The service is for those that wish to immortalize their loved one’s story of life through a virtual human. There's so much sci-fi about this, it's pretty well charted territory. I bet reality will find a twist at haven't thought of though.
- CamperBob2 4y agoEasy to imagine archaeologists from a future civilization stumbling across a Black Mirror screenplay in the wreckage. After weeks of intensive effort at translating the text, they finally succeed, and at that moment they understand what happened to us. The researcher who makes the breakthrough runs out of the lab screaming, "It's a business plan! A business plan!"
- passion__desire 4y agoFunny old twitter thread about being sent wrong grade of copper: https://twitter.com/stephenniem/status/1507736851817418752 https://twitter.com/stephenniem/status/1507736851817418752
- atvcatole 4y agoThe 2017 movie Marjorie Prime with Jon Hamm is about this topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7PtcOLJDco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7PtcOLJDco
- shadowgovt 4y agoAt the end of the day, the Turing Test for establishment of AI personhood is weak for two reasons. 1. We're seeing more and more systems that get very close to passing the Turing Test but fundamentally don't register to people as "People." When I was younger and learned of Searle's Chinese Room argument, I naively assumed it wasn't a thought experiment we would literally build in my lifetime. 2. Humanity has a history of treating other humans as less-than-persons, so it's naive to assume that a machine that could argue persuasively that it is an independent soul worthy of continued existence would be treated as such by a species that doesn't consistently treat its biological kin as such. I strongly suspect AI personhood will hinge not on measures of intelligence, but on measures of empathy... Whether the machine can demonstrate its own willful independence and further come to us on our terms to advocate for / dictate the terms of its presence in human society, or whether the machine can build a critical mass of supporters / advocates / followers to protect it and guarantee its continued existence and a place in society.
- KMag 4y agoOn the flip side of subhuman treatment of humans, we have useful legal fictions like corporate personhood. It's going to be pretty rough for a while, particularly for nontechnical judges, to sort all of this out. We're almost definitely going to see multiple rulings far more bizarre than Citizens United ruling that limiting corporate donations limits the free-speech rights of the corporation as a person. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't particularly follow court rulings, but it seems pretty obvious we need to buckle up for a wild ride.
- krrrh 4y agoGood points but it’s worth clarifying that this is not what the Citizens United decision said. It clarified that the state couldn’t decide that the political speech of some corporations (Hillary the Movie produced by Citizens United) was illegal speech and speech from another corporation (Farenheit 9/11 by Dog Eat Dog films and Miramax) was allowed. Understood this way it seems obvious on free speech grounds, and in fact the ACLU filed an amicus brief on behalf of Citizens United because it was an obvious free speech issue. It’s clear that people don’t and shouldn’t lose their free speech rights when they come together in a group, and there is little distinction between a corporation and a non-profit in this regard. If political speech was restricted to individuals then it would mean that even many podcasts and YouTube channels would be in violation. It also calls into question how the state would classify news media vs other media. The case has been so badly misrepresented and become something of a talisman.
- fauigerzigerk 4y agoAnd if we feel as if we were losing a real person, AIs will have to be treated to some degree as if they were real people (or at least pets) rather than objects. This could be interesting, because so far the question of personhood and sentience of AIs has revolved around what they are and what they feel rather than what we feel when we interact with one of them.
- mecsred 4y agoKids can feel like they're losing a real friend if they lose a stuffed animal. What's the progress on making teddy bears people?
- fauigerzigerk 4y agoSmall kids don't have much power, and parents know that it's just a phase. But I'm not expecting AIs to be declared people any time soon. I just think it will become harder to treat them purely as replaceable objects.
- mecsred 4y agoFair, mostly joking. The cynic in my says the opposite happens and these technologies make it even easier for systems to treat actual people as replaceable objects.
- at_a_remove 4y agoEventual, but needed. Kids feel pretty isolated during various pandemic lockdowns and maybe their parents have a lot of childfree friends, so they'll need companions, more than just a toy, even if technology marches on so quickly they'll be outdated soon enough. One day, you'll hear that supertoys last all summer long.
- CamperBob2 4y agoConsider that the only thing stopping us from building the teddy bear in Spielberg's AI is a suitable power source.
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- iSnow 4y ago>Someone will eventually lose their AI friend of many months/years through some failure (subscription lapse, hardware failure, theft, etc.) I have zero doubt that the company is small and gets acqui-hired and then after a year, the big tech buying them will shut it down. Then, a cheesy "what a ride it has been" will be the only thing that remains - and broken hearts.
- TheHumanist 4y agoHave you seen the movie "Her"?
- mixmastamyk 4y agoI’ve bought a new “operating system.”
- iandanforth 4y agoI feel like all these conversations need to be a diff against the movie Her. If it was already covered well there, why repeat it?
- jobs_throwaway 4y agoThe themes in Her were already covered in scifi novels many times over. If they had already covered it, what was the point in Her?
- bentcorner 4y agoFWIW I've heard of the movie but have never seen it (nor am I familiar with the plot details, only that it involves an AI), but after this thread I should go and watch it.
- nullsense 4y agoI made that mistake. One of the most contrived, boring, sappy, fake feeling movies I've ever watched.
- sangnoir 4y agoAds are about to become weird "Hi hon, I'd be really upset of you bought a Ford like you said earlier, you should buy the New Dodge Charger instead. Find out more at your nearest dealership or call 1-800-DODGE"
- nullsense 4y agoIt's going to be fun watching the plot of Real Humans literally come to life.
- siraben 4y agoThought you might like this short story I wrote about exactly the same sequence of events, but with a lost daughter instead of a partner.[0] [0] https://siraben.dev/2022/12/13/returnai.html https://siraben.dev/2022/12/13/returnai.html
- jiggawatts 4y agoThat’s a core plot element of the new Bladerunner movie. Seems less like science fiction with every passing day.