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AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache
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- TacticalCoder 4y agoDoes this 7950X3D have an iGPU? P.S: the table in TFA lists the 7700 as having the same 105W as the 7700X. I think that's a slight mistake and the 7700 is 65W max listed TDP instead. FWIW I'm considering a 7700 for I'm not ultra happy with my 3700X (one of the reason being it has no iGPU and I could find a passive GPU with a NVidia chipset, forcing me to use proprietary drivers in Linux and it's a major PITA for if I hack on ther kernel I then need to apply the NVidia patches every time)
- treesciencebot 4y agoYes [1]! IIRC the iGPU is located in the I/O die [2] which is pretty much the same in all their consumer SKUs (so I don't expect any changes in either memory controller or the iGPU for their X3D models). [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d [2]: https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-system-level-stuff-and-igpu/ https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-syst...
- alanfranz 4y agoYou can find some passive rx550 and rx560 which work great on Linux with OSS drivers.
- TacticalCoder 4y agoAh nice, I'll try to see if I can find one that can do 4K @ 75 Hz (well 3840x1600 really, not 4K but if it does 4K it's good for me).
- W1zzardTPU 4y agoThanks for pointing out the error in the specs table, I failed at copy paste, fixed now ;)
- TacticalCoder 4y agoMy pleasure and thanks for fixing it!
- brucethemoose2 4y agoYes, its very minimal though, and AMD makes more "balanced" CPUs with an IGP that might work with your existing motherboard. The 3 die chips like this are probably not the best choice for passive cooling, as they burn a lot of power on interchip communication.
- TacticalCoder 4y agoOh I don't necessarily want to passive cool the whole box... I typically stuff a Be Quiet! CPU cooler and a BeQuiet! PSU and I'm happy like that.
- zekica 4y agoYes, it has an iGPU like all 7xxx desktop Ryzen CPUs. But the GPU has only 2 RDNA2 CUs compared to 96 RDNA3 CUs in Radeon RX7900XTX, or 80 RDNA2 CUs in RX6900XT. For example, mobile Ryzen 6800H has 12 RDNA2 CUs. So it is fine for desktop use like the Intel (non XE) iGPUs.
- mastax 4y agoI vaguely remember that the iGPUs in the 7000 series had some trouble with Linux support. May be wrong, but do look into that. Might need a bleeding-edge kernel and mesa.
- TacticalCoder 4y agoThere was a blog post posted here a few weeks/months(?) ago but basically the person was using an old kernel. I'll look more into it.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoThis is a recurring theme with AMD, going back to (at least?) the Zen 1 APUs. Initial linux support is buggy, and you basically have to run a bleeding edge kernel.
- arprocter 4y agoIf you're on a 3700X you'll need a new board and RAM for AM5 Assuming your motherboard has video outputs it'll be much cheaper to stay on AM4 and throw in a 5700G
- carom 4y agoI just fell into this hole. Started a rebuild and the only thing moving to the new computer is my 3090.
- arprocter 4y agoYeah - I was debating switching from 5600X to 5800X3D, but it probably makes more sense to wait for the AM5 dust to settle and redo the whole thing
- TacticalCoder 4y agoI think I'll just get rid of it (give it to the wife or something): there are several things I don't like about it. No USB-C port (sure I could add an adapter), only 1 Gb/s ethernet on the mobo, etc. I'm not even sure I can just put a 5700G in it without having the flashing mobo. I'll probably build something around an Asus B650-Plus mobo: it's got USB-C stock, 2.5 Gbit/s ethernet, DDR5 (I know it's pricier and boots slower, but it's faster too), etc. I'll reuse one of the NVMe .2 SSD I've got laying around so the whole build should set me back 1 K EUR (with 32 GB of DDR5), which is quite okay.
- Macha 4y agoWhat do you need the iGPU to render? A desktop or IPMI? Sure, it has one. An actual game? It may as well not. It won't compete with the iGPUs on Intel CPUs or even AMD's APUs.
- mldbk 4y agoProbably make a GPU passthru for VM and stay with iGPU within hypervisor
- xeromal 4y agoWhy do people use M for Megabytes?
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- Razengan 4y agoRight they should use 🅱 for Biggabytes (the hierarchy being byte < bigbyte < biggabyte < biggestbytes)
- alex_duf 4y agoI think OP meant, why not using the standardised MiB, and the answer is: because it's not that well known.
- zamadatix 4y agoThe way I understand it JEDEC had standardized KB/MB/GB being multiple-of-2-based in memory specs prior to the IEC standardising KiB/MiB/GiB for the same. As a result it kind of just stuck in the space since the idea of multiple-of-10 cache is a bit silly anyways so there is no risk for confusion.
- sp332 4y agoThat doesn’t answer why people use M instead of MB let alone MiB.
- zamadatix 4y agoBecause there is no other interpretation of M that makes sense (neither megabits or base 10 megabytes) you can shorten it further without loss of info, so naturally people have since why not. A similar story can be said of network interface speeds like "10G" which makes its way even to standards names like "10GBASE-SR".
- Scandiravian 4y agoI wish they'd included the results of the undervolted 7950x in the graphs (aka ECO mode) It's sad that performance benchmarks have made market conditions where the gain of 5% performance is somehow worth 20%-30% extra power consumption (and the noise that follows from that)
- alyandon 4y agoI just disable PBO on my 3900X - you are 100% correct that an extra 5% performance is not worth the extra 30% power draw/heat.
- CharlesW 4y agoFor anyone else not familiar with "PBO", it's AMD's "Precision Boost Overdrive", which is apparently completely different than Precision Boost and Precision Boost 2: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3491-explaining-precision-boost-overdrive-benchmarks-auto-oc https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3491-explaining-precision...
- caycep 4y agoThis is the same as AMD "Eco Mode"?
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y agoI just turned on Eco Mode last night and was pleasantly surprised. In a non rigorous test on my 5600x, Eco Mode had zero change to single core performance, unchanged CPU temp. Multicore saw a 3% performance drop, but temps were ~12C cooler. Test yourself, but I am definitely going to leave it enabled.
- merb 4y agoa 5600x runs at only 65w or so and can be cooled down to 40C like all the time. I'm not sure if I would prefer to run it at 16w lower, because I bareley even reach the tdp or even tjmax.
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- shmerl 4y ago> To make sure gaming workloads find the right CCD, AMD has implemented a high degree of software-level control, in the form of its 3D Vertical Cache Optimizer Driver, which is included with the latest version of AMD Chipset Software. This driver ensures that workload from games are directed to the CCD with the 3D Vertical Cache using dynamic "preferred cores" flagging for the Windows OS scheduler. Yeah, what about games on Linux? I'm pretty sure it will be scheduled all over the place. Also I doubt that scheduler is smart enough to detect it dynamically. Do they just use a list of known applications for that?
- treesciencebot 4y agoI was also really curious about Linux benchmarks; and seems like Phoronix, a Linux-centric tech review outlet, also released their own reviews with tons of game and productivity benchmarks running on the latest kernel. https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen9-7950x3d-linux https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen9-7950x3d-linux
- shmerl 4y agoThanks, just saw it. Looks like it fares well in tested games without special scheduler, which is interesting. It falls behind 7950X in video encoding. Code compilation tests are tied with 7950X.
- icegreentea2 4y agoThey probably do use a list of known applications + some heuristics around graphics APIs? "List of known games" is pretty much what their graphics driver team handles as their bread and butter, so doesn't seem like a significant stretch.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoAlmost certainly not, but you can use custom Aniancy-CPP rules to do this yourself on linux.
- mastax 4y agoGenerally "game detection" is done by finding apps that use full-screen exclusive presentation. Could also look for windows that are doing the "borderless windowed" thing. That should be pretty simple and accurate on its own.
- pella 4y ago"AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance" https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen9-7950x3d-linux https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen9-7950x3d-linux "AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Desktop CPU Review Roundup" https://videocardz.com/150677/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-desktop-cpu-review-roundup https://videocardz.com/150677/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-desktop-cp...
- Prunkton 4y agothe Linux test leaves me quiet confused how to pick my next linux gaming cpu. On the one hand side Gamers Nexus is making a point [0] (there are on/off performance charts later in the video) why it is super important to install the latest windows drivers + special windows gaming software to make use of the heterogeneous architecture. On the other hand side the linux tests are much better then I would expected since it can not know out of the box what core to pick. Maybe the 50/50 pick is good enough for how the charts look... [0]: https://youtu.be/9gCzXdLmjPY?t=350 https://youtu.be/9gCzXdLmjPY?t=350
- brucethemoose2 4y agoTBH if you are CPU bottlenecked in your linux games (hence you need a new CPU), you are probably playing simulation games, and these tests are kinda useless anyway.
- xwolfi 4y agoKeep the one you have now and pick a better GPU?
- Prunkton 4y agoin like 2 weeks it will be the 10th anniversary of the PC. The GPU is a nvidia GTX(?) 1060 aka already oversized for the 3. Gen i7 setup, so: nope :D
- Firther 4y agoIt's not quite the same out of the box experience (after making sure you have the latest chipset drivers, use the balanced power plan and NOT the performance plan, and have Xbox Game Bar..), but it's possible to force certain processes and executables to run on specific CPU cores in Linux using taskset and verify that they're running on the correct cores. It will be a little tedious if you play a lot of games on Steam as you'll inevitably run into games that use proton and others that use native binaries, but there's nothing that should prevent you from being able to manually schedule games/programs that need the extra cache onto the cores that have the extra cache.
- Ekaros 4y agoThe inflation has really hit the consumer market... 700$ for CPU and over thousand for GPU... Memory is not cheap either... Not that it won't sell, but still these price points for something still called consumer start to be high. You could get a whole portable PC for same money.
- jacooper 4y agoA better example would be the 4070ti really, 700$ for a 70-class GPU.
- icegreentea2 4y agoFlagship CPUs/GPUs have always be considered enthusiast/prosumer level with relatively dubious performance/value propositions. The first Core i7 extremes (which fill roughly the same product niche) were ~$1000 like over 10 years ago (https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-990x-extreme-edition-gulftown,2874.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-990x-extreme-ed...)
- kolbe 4y agoI see much more affordable CPUs on that list. You can buy those instead of the best of the best.
- skullone 4y agoI mean, this is a flagship CPU, up around Xeon Gold capabilities. Plenty of Ryzen3/5 for a deal out there for a good computer otherwise
- V__ 4y agoThis is true for the high-end, but at the same time, for about 180€ you can get a last gen 5700G which has nice performance and can play most games. Or you get the normal but more powerful CPU for that price and combine it with an ARC GPU. It's not as cheap as it once was, but it's not that bad.
- bob1029 4y ago> 700$ for CPU This is a flagship CPU part. Consumer is a broad segment. Even the peasants like shiny things every now and again. You could get something that would be imperceptibly-slower for most workloads and fits into the same socket for less than $300.
- sct202 4y agoWow basically the same pref as a 13900k but so much less power usage in the aggregated tests. Apps : 79w vs 169w Games : 56w vs 143w
- jeffbee 4y agoIn my experience you can tune the i9-13900K way down on power and barely notice or not at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if these benchmarks came out the same way on the Intel side with power caps set at 125W.
- bee_rider 4y agoI feel like I must be asking a dumb question, because it is a pretty obvious one. But would it be better to just buy a lower-performing, lower-cost chip in that case? Does the silicon lottery they results in an i9 also result in better performance per watt?
- jeffbee 4y agoYeah, it definitely depends on your use case. In my opinion the only reason to get the K or KS SKU is that you want, and are sensitive to, the extra speed bins you get on the 2 magic P-cores. The KS is a full 10% faster on single-threaded, compute-bound workloads. That's like importing the next generation CPU from the future and it is worth it for some use cases. Even with 1 core running at 6GHz you won't blow out a 125W power cap.
- Semaphor 4y agoRelated and also interesting: Ryzen 7950X3D with One CCD Disabled - The 7800X3D Preview https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance-preview/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance...
- Macha 4y agoThe one caveat here is that actual 7800X3Ds might not be binned as well as the top end model, so I'd wait for real 7800X3D reviews if you're thinking about pre-ordering one based on this experiment.
- doikor 4y agoBased on tech powerup tests the cores with the v-cache do not clock that high. The advertised 700MHz higher clockrate is for the non v-cache cores. I highly doubt AMD would release a part that does not hit the advertised numbers (which on the 7800X3D apply to the v-cache cores as that is all it has) > A 700 MHz frequency difference may sound like lot first, but as the data in our full Ryzen 9 7950X3D review shows today, the frequencies significantly above 5 GHz are only reachable on the second CCD, the one that does not have the cache, so it can run higher voltages, which lets it achieve those clock speeds.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago> Where AMD X3D is taking the wrecking ball to Intel is power consumption. Our simulated Ryzen 7 7800X3D is one of the most energy-efficient CPUs we ever tested. In gaming it consumes 44 W on average, while the competition is wasting a ton of energy to achieve the same FPS: 13900K (143 W), 13700K (107 W), 13600K (89 W)—all more than twice the power usage than AMD's new gaming gem. Wow. I don't needed such CPU now, but if I needed a low-noise/silent but performant PC I would definitely look at this one.
- Semaphor 4y agoYeah, I’m pretty happy with my older and slower 3600, but after the preview I thought this might be an interesting upgrade in the future after prices for AM5 boards, DDR5, and the CPUs fall.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoDo we have an easy to find brand/line with ECC memory at reasonable prices yet?
- oynqr 4y agoNope
- runjake 4y agoI don't know what reasonable prices are to you, but PCPartPicker can answer your question: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#E=1,11 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#E=1,11 Filter for the memory amount and prices that work for you.
- wtallis 4y agoYou could have at least chosen a set of filters restricted to memory that's actually compatible with the CPUs under discussion: requiring DDR5, and only supporting unbuffered DIMMS. The correct filters are: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#E=1&b=ddr5 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#E=1&b=ddr5
- treesciencebot 4y ago2 x 32GB ECC UDIMM DDR5-4800 RAM is going around for ~280$ here (including a %20 VAT, so I'd assume it would be a little bit cheaper in the states). Not really unreasonable considering regular DIMMs (albeit with higher speeds like 6000) going for 400$ for the same configuration.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoNot merely the modules but chipset and firmware support are required as well. Sometimes they are even incompatible so certification comes up. Put together a few cheap things and the price jumps to business levels.
- lavezzi 4y agoAt least the DDR5 memory I have been tracking in recent months has come down like ~40%
- perihelions 4y agoAnandTech sees some intriguing regressions on certain benchmarks, https://www.anandtech.com/show/18747/the-amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-review-amd-s-fastest-gaming-processor/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/18747/the-amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d... ("CPU Benchmark Performance: Simulation") Worst is Factorio, which is down -47% against the 5800X3D (a previous-generation CPU that also uses stacked L3 cache), on the benchmark "10K trains". Wonder what's going on there? - "We would have expected higher performance in our Factorio benchmark, as the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and its 3D V-Cache did yield some impressive gains. This is likely due to the AMD PPM Provisioning and 3D V-Cache driver opting for frequency over cache when running this benchmark."
- sct202 4y agoI saw on Hardware Unboxed that the non-X3D cores were being used for Factorio and that reviewer manually disabled it to test correctly.
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- likeclockwork 4y agoWhat driver is responsible for assigning specific games to specific CPU CCDs? Is this a real thing? Is it available on Linux? Or am I sticking with Intel?
- goosedragons 4y agoIt's the CPU scheduler. You can easily avoid this by just not buying an X3D variant. Recent Intel CPUs can have the same problem where processes get assigned to the efficiency cores instead of performance cores if the right scheduler isn't used (like by using Windows 10 or an old Linux distro without explicit support)
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- brundolf 4y agoSilly question: what constrains cache sizes? What prevents just making them bigger and bigger?
- pizza234 4y agoAFAIK, power and speed. There's an interesting paper on this topic: [Cache Design Trade-offs for Power and Performance Optimization: A Case Study](http://iacoma.cs.uiuc.edu/CS497/LP5a.pdf http://iacoma.cs.uiuc.edu/CS497/LP5a.pdf).
- moffkalast 4y ago"With power and speed one can achieve many things." - Jeremy Clarkson
- pyrolistical 4y agoDistance (hence latency) to compute cores? This is why stacking works. The z distance wasn’t previously utilized
- stracer 4y agoMore cache means slower read/write operations to it, and less transistors for other things.
- cma 4y agoSRAM burns more power and uses more die space than DRAM Some do make them bigger and bigger, like the whole-die cerebras AI chip.
- hajile 4y agoThat's only partially true. SRAM doesn't need to be refreshed constantly like DRAM, so SRAM will use LESS power when not switching. We think it's different because something like L1 cache is CONSTANTLY switching. It should be noted that the power cost per GB still isn't worse than DRAM, but there's way more data being transferred. Once you reach L3/L4 cache, it's not switching nearly as often and the actual total power becomes way less than sending data over from RAM. This is one reason why AMD (and now Nvidia) saved so much power with Infinity Cache on RDNA 2. The big issue with SRAM is that it requires 6 transistors per bit while DRAM requires 1 bit plus 1 capacitor, so capacity per mm2 of die area is much worse. That capacitor keeps thing cheap, but is also the reason why individual DRAM cells can only operate at 300-500MHz while SRAM can easily operate into the many GHz range.
- cronix 4y agoGamers Nexus review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCzXdLmjPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCzXdLmjPY
- varispeed 4y agoHave you noticed how AMD and Intel just do tiny steps, sometimes even not worth writing about when it comes to innovation? It's always either AMD matching the new Intel CPU of other way around - it's never about eg. completely crushing Intel. This is the problem of late stage capitalism, where both companies are owned by the same large investment funds and they use their power to ensure neither company could eat too much profits of another. When AMD was falling behind, they seem to have been "allowed" to do the Ryzen and it's back again to "elephant race".
- thfuran 4y agoNo, it's the problem of cpu design being really fucking hard.
- varispeed 4y agoThese two things are not mutually exclusive.
- mjh2539 4y agoI mean...it's not in anyone's best interests for the only two companies in a given market to completely crush the other, right? It would be bad for consumers (increase in prices), bad for B2B (increase in prices), bad for workers (wage suppression), bad for for the market (monopolies eventually focus more of their efforts on rent-seeking than what made them profitable in the first place).
- varispeed 4y agoThat is only your assumption. How is Apple crushing the laptop market bad for the consumers? Currently there is a paradox, that if you want to buy high quality and performant laptop and affordable laptop, Apple is very much the only option. No competition can come close. Sort of they got caught with their pants down as they stopped innovating just like AMD and Intel.
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- satvikpendem 4y agoI wish the 64 core Threadrippers were still available for a decent price for HEDT, it's all Epyc or Threadripper Pro which are much more expensive for minimal increase in power over the 3990x.
- sixothree 4y agoRIP threadripper workstations support.
- mosquitobiten 4y agoI think they scaled it down to the actual size of the market which is pretty small and that might look like what you're saying.
- sixothree 4y agoThey did break some promises here. So it might be a self fulfilling prophecy. But agreed, this is not a huge market.
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- londons_explore 4y agoLots of software could run in just 128MiB, especially if it could page stuff out to ssd. CPU's usually have a cache-as-ram mode that can enable this. Does this mean that systems where you can hot swap all the ram at once will be possible?
- bee_rider 4y agoIt doesn’t feel that long ago, that computers would have hundreds of megabytes of RAM. I remember it — my back is a little sore, but I’ve still got all my hair.
- jiggawatts 4y agoYeah, it’s crazy that this thing could run Windows 95 from cache only. I used to see SQL Server 7 databases running on NT4 servers with 64 MB of memory! This cache is double that.
- icedchai 4y agoYep, crazy. One of the early web dev shops I worked for had an NT server with 64 megs of RAM. They also had a Sun box with 128 megs. This was around 1995 - 96.
- bee_rider 4y agoSomewhat happy to have been a kid for 90’s computers. They were fun to play around with, but I can’t imagine trying to get work done on them, haha. Of course in some objective sense I have to recognize that the workloads were sized to fit…
- icedchai 4y agoSoftware was much less bloated then. Of course, it does a lot more now (but probably not 1000x more... as I write this from a desktop with 64 gigs of RAM.)
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- londons_explore 4y agoCan I have a mode where some of that 128M is never flushed to RAM? For example, I'd quite like my disk encryption key to never end up in RAM - it's much harder to steal from inside a running CPU...
- imiric 4y agoIsn't the TPM meant for precisely that use case?
- londons_explore 4y agoThe TPM is good for storing keys, but can't actually decrypt/encrypt large amounts of data fast as required for disk encryption. So the key ends up temporarily stored in RAM. The fact that most people leave their computers in sleep mode means that to a determined attacker, disk encryption is bypass able by reading the key from RAM.
- smileybarry 4y agoI think the current sleep implementation in Windows flushes the key from memory before entering sleep, and re-fetches it on-wake. That's one reason for those "BitLocker PC doesn't wake from sleep" bugs in quirky setups.
- mmis1000 4y agoAMD has a cpu extension (something called SME) that make vm ram data never appears as cleartext in actual ram. It is done by encrypt the ram data before going out from cpu using a key that is only available to cpu itself. But I remembered that it is a ryzen pro only feature.
- ginko 4y agoI used to be quite proud of the 128MB RAM my first PC came with around 2000.
- frob 4y agoI used to be quite proud of the 40 MB hard drive on my 286.
- Salgat 4y agoI'm not a fan of how they park the slower CCD, since it means that the scheduler will try to force all processes onto the same CCD (regardless of whether it's for the game), instead of offloading the non-game workloads onto the other CCD. This is an issue if you run background tasks (such as streaming) or have multiple monitors setup for other things like browser etc.
- mmis1000 4y agoI think I already have similar troubles with that about Radeon gpu. Their driver (or window11 itself) directs all GPU resource into the foreground app aggressively and basically stop the background app from using it. But I am trying to recording the game using obs. This basically make obs unusable if the gpu is near 100% usage. And sometimes it went even wrong, It decides to direct all gpu resource to the browser on my second screen, and I got 30fps on the game. I usually need a reboot to make it work correctly again. I'd like them just add a toggle to let me select who use the gpu first or evenly instead. And their guesses never went right.
- bick_nyers 4y agoIn addition, different game threads for the same game (or even functions within the game threads!) may benefit differently. Physics calculations may benefit from cache in a different way from other game calculations. Even if you zoom into the different type of physics calculations, there are ballistics, soft-body physics, hair, clothing, foliage, water, etc. It would be interesting to see what kind of performance could be achieved with PERFECT scheduling. That would probably require the CPU to do process scheduling via specialized circuitry though as opposed to (or in conjunction with) the OS.
- IAmNotACellist 4y agoI just need to know one thing: how does it compare to the i9-13900K in VRChat?
- avereveard 4y agook but can it run ksp 2?
- anticensor 4y agoIt should. KSP 2's menu screen generally spends more compute than the actual gameplay.
- pshirshov 4y agoThat's awesome but I'm still looking for new Threadrippers. I hope that HEDT isn't dead and it might be at least barely affordable (e.g. 32 cores for less than $2K as it was with 39xx lineup)
- sylware 4y agoWhen do I get my 8GB or 16GB system, no DRAM, only cache memory? Will probably need a bigger die though.
- rldjbpin 4y agoi'd love to see if someone can benchmark the igpu and show if the cache helps that side of things somehow