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Black Americans when polled by Rasmussen: "It's okay to be white." 53% agree, 26% disagree, 21% not sure https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1
by uberman 4y ago
Black Americans when polled by Rasmussen:
"It's okay to be white."
53% agree,
26% disagree,
21% not sure
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1628460192932237313 https://mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/16284601929...
- api 4y agoHow many people knew that was a saying associated with white nationalist types and reacted to that? Would the result be the same if it were differently worded? For example: If someone asked me something like “are you proud of Western civilization” my literal rational answer would be yes but then I’d stop and wonder if I was being asked to agree with a fascist dog whistle phrase. Modern discourse is a minefield of dog whistles that sound reasonable when interpreted literally but signal alignment with something. The large not sure response makes it seem like people were confused or suspicious like that. In any case what Scott said went beyond just calling BS on a poll and was rather unhinged and strange. He’s been off his rocker for a while so I’m surprised it took him this long to start getting dropped.
- uberman 4y agoI'm not condoning Adams nor have I ever heard this phrase used as a dog whistle. I am just pointing out that some polling organization did some work and found what to me was a surprising result. Dog whistle or not, I am personally surprised by that result. Just as I was surprised by polling that suggested almost 30% of Americans say it might be necessary to take up arms against the government.
- api 4y agoI’ve heard it from those circles. It definitely has a dog whistle feel to it. I agree that the poll results are wacko, but when I see nutty poll results I usually start asking questions about the poll. How was the question asked? How were respondents selected? Was there any attempt to filter for bias? Was it an online poll that a bunch of trolls decided to ballot stuff with a botnet? Online polls are trash unless great care is taken to filter results, and this takes some nontrivial infosec know how. Also remember that everything is click bait now. Media outlets have an incentive to structure polls to get goofy results to get clicks. If the results had been reasonable we wouldn’t be talking about this.
- freejazz 4y agoOh gosh - someone took a one-sided poll with zany results, I guess we need to have race war now!
- CrimsonCape 4y agoThis is the same reason why we see hot-takes like "Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner." From a historical, obvious it-happened naive point of view, yes absolutely it's 100% true. But the point of invoking that hot-take is to justify tearing down statues of Jefferson, and disrespecting Jefferson is itself is a symbolic act of attacking the validity of the founding principles of the USA. Also, it's intentionally meant to undermine people who have respect for Jefferson.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> But the point of invoking that hot-take is to justify tearing down statues of Jefferson, and disrespecting Jefferson is itself is a symbolic act of attacking the validity of the founding principles of the USA. Jefferson himself would probably be less upset by that than the secular religion worshipping the founders (and even if that waan’t a largely fictious image of them that relied on ignoring historical facts) that has grown up in place of critical political thought in this country.
- Raed667 4y ago> a slogan which originated as part of an organized alt-right trolling campaign on the website 4chan's discussion board /pol/ in 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white
- joenot443 4y agoI think you’re vastly overestimating how many people would see that phrase as a meme and wouldn’t just be responding in good faith.
- freejazz 4y agoas opposed to you good faith assuming that 20% of black people don't think it's okay to be white?
- joenot443 4y agoI live in a very demographically mixed part of NYC. I wasn't pleased with that result, but wasn't especially surprised by it either. People are angry these days, I think one would be ignorant to pretend otherwise.
- freejazz 4y agoYeah? I'm actually from NYC, not just living here, and I completely disagree with you. You probably shouldn't go outside if you can't mentally navigate around this sort of credulously stupid nonsense. Maybe an internship for Adams is your kind of thing.
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- Manuel_D 4y agoAnd the trolls were proven right, apparently. The correct response to trolling is to not take the bait. But people seem to be devouring the bait. Disagreeing with the statement "it's okay to be white" is just such a bone-headed move that I'm more frustrated with the people responding negatively than the people asking the question.
- nindalf 4y agoRasmussen are partisan hacks. I don’t take anything they say seriously.
- Laaas 4y agoDo you have a link to any evidence of prior misconduct that affects the validity of their studies?
- rootusrootus 4y agoThey do have a reputation for leaning a bit right, although it looks like Nate Silver thinks they're only slightly to the right, and reasonably reliable.
- benj111 4y agoWell this is an issue. If only 53% of white people thought it was ok to be black, or any other minority, that would be seen as a problem. I don't see why the answer changes just because roles are reversed. If you want equality, these things go both ways. And if you don't want equality, you're racist, or some other ist. This isnt a battle with a 'winner' the goal is everyone being equal, black or white. Black people need to be signed up to that too. All this being said, I haven't listened to the podcast, so I'm not condoning or condemning what was said.
- throwawaysleep 4y agoThe problem isn't the idea. The problem is that "it's ok to be white" is a known racist slogan.
- teddyh 4y agoEvery snappy slogan eventually becomes a slogan “widely known” for being a dog whistle for extremist opinions. You can’t express any nuanced opinion without eventually being lumped together with crazy extremists.
- throwawaysleep 4y agoNuanced opinions are very rarely expressed with snappy slogans.
- teddyh 4y agoEvery proponent of an opinion with a snappy slogan will gladly explain how their opinion is very nuanced. Take, for instance, “defund the police”. It can be explained as a reasonable nuanced opinion, and not the literal interpretation. The same can be applied to most every slogan.
- freejazz 4y agoYou really like using words such as "every" where they have no reason to be used. Why are you making these kind of in-equivocal statements when they are clearly baseless and are just an expression of your political feeling. Good, express your political feelings. Telling people how everyone in a group of people does xyz is the exact problem you are complaining about.
- SuperNinKenDo 4y agoRevealing that simply referencing the poll's results is enough to get downvoted here. I think it's a response to the fear that anti-white sentiment is obviously growing, coupled with the understanding that it is socially unacceptable to acknowledge it. This combination causes a lot of anxiety in people, and they'd like it to go away. Hence, anything that awakens these fears will be downvoted as quickly as possible to avoid dealing with the cognitive dissonance and general anxiety.
- oliwarner 4y agoI think it attracts downvotes because people come to such big conclusions from such a tiny question. In what way do they mean okay? Are we talking permissive, morality, or just a TripAdvisor review? Do you find being white is okay? Not content with reading the worst into it, you've gone on to add directionality. It's getting worse?! They're coming for us! Or they think it's increasingly hard being white. Or both and we'll never know because it's a shitty question. Please stop. Extrapolating from bad polling is harmful.
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- faeriechangling 4y agoHow is anti-white sentiment “obviously growing”? Compared to what baseline? I actually had the opposite impression and feel people are chilling out somewhat compared to say 3 years ago when Trump was in office and George Floyd just happened.
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- roenxi 4y agoThis is probably a good time to recall that polling in politics can be highly misleading. I recall an excellent segment on Yes, Minister that explains it [0, 1]. We really need to know the other questions they were being asked at the time to see if they were primed in some way. A near majority being uncomfortable with white people would be outrageous, but Americans are usually pretty tolerant so it is likely that Rasmussen is playing games here. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA [1] https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=yes-prime-minister-1986&episode=s01e02 https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_script... - For people who like text, search for "Have another opinion poll done"
- scythe 4y agoIt's not a near majority. Only 26% responded "no" (likely due to being mired in the media furor over this meme), another 21% responded "not sure", which is probably the basic human response when you think "what kind of stupid question is that?!". If someone asked me "is it okay to be white?", my first thought would be that they are trying to sell me something, or simply up to no good.
- roenxi 4y agoIf someone's answer to a plain "is it OK to be white?" is hemming, hawing and thinking hard then they aren't comfortable with white people. But it is unlikely that near 50% of the surveyed population are that racist, so it is probably polling trickery.
- radiator 4y agoYou get quite a lot of downvotes around here, just for quoting facts.
- dwaltrip 4y agoSomething being true doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best thing to say. There’s an infinite number of things one could say. Might as well try to make the words count for something.
- freejazz 4y agoWoof - the tweets that scroll once you read that post. Wow.
- faeriechangling 4y ago53:21 so less than a third, Scott Adams counting “not sures” as somehow nefarious is some bias analysis. Doesn’t seem so shocking to me and it doesn’t make me want to change how I act day to day, especially because the people who popularized that phrase were so controversial that people might be having less of an issue with the sentiment of “it’s okay to be white” itself and instead might have an issue which how those posters were put up with razor blades behind them by literal white supremacists which injured innocent janitors. There’s a lot of confounding factors and the exact phrasing is politically loaded so it makes for a lousy barometer of black attitudes towards white people.
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- shrimp_emoji 4y ago>The Dilbert guy is stupid. And people who think it’s not okay to be white are being stupid. The people polled have, statistically, an abysmal level of education and socioeconomic circumstances. The Dilbert guy has way less of an excuse. :p Although he's probably being purposely provocative: https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=962 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=962