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Or run apps like Teams in a web browser. Web browsers have good isolation techniques like Chrome's profiles and Firefox's containers. Teams is written using we
by ccouzens 4y ago
Or run apps like Teams in a web browser. Web browsers have good isolation techniques like Chrome's profiles and Firefox's containers.
Teams is written using web technologies so you're getting the same experience as the app.
- adamzochowski 4y agoThis doesn't work perfectly well if you are on multiple calls at the same time. Desktop Teams allows you to join multiple calls at once, and switch between them is easy. Web browser teams disconnects you from one meeting to join another. The only solution is to open multiple browser profiles, each for different call, and then manage the 'mute tab' manually. Additionally, web browser edition has something to detect if tab is active, and will downscale / delay video stream if tab is not active. This is extremely annoying when you have meeting active on one monitor, and want to double check what is being discussed on another. Saying all this, web browser teams at least works. Desktop one stops working because as the whole discussion here points out, accounts get mixed up. I can't join team meetings anonymously because desktop edition thinks I have an account, but when I try to login it tells me my account doesn't have Teams enabled.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y agoThe problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfully named HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE register or rename some <username>/AppData to .old (just had to do this yesterday, wild), and then, when the quick fix doesn't work, instead of trying to look for more fixes you just give up and start cussing until the VM is restored to a working backup.
- Strom 4y ago> The problem is that Windows 11 and above require a Microsoft account It is not quite a requirement, I have my Windows 11 Pro running just fine with no Microsoft account. They do attempt really hard to make it look like it's required though. Even going as far as showing a fullscreen app after Windows update that only has options for registering or login, but luckily Alt+F4 closes that abomination.
- jimbobimbo 4y agoI believe, Microsoft account is a requirement for Home editions, not Pro or above.
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoPro now requires it unless you know any loopholes.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y agoEdited. I just didn't even bothered; given the trend, probably Windows 12 or 13 will close the loopholes.
- skissane 4y agoThey can never “close the loopholes” entirely, because there are customers that want machines with zero access to public Internet (embedded systems, national security, etc), where a Microsoft account is an absolute non-starter. Closing all the loopholes would be abandoning those market segments (many of which are already trending towards Linux/etc anyway) I suppose they might make it mandatory unless you have some special version of Windows which is hard to buy (like LTSC). But make it too hard they risk that market. Anyway, now bypassing it involves opening a command prompt window, only the more technical users will do so, and that’s a small enough minority they probably aren’t missing much.
- hkt 4y agoI haven't used windows since 2008 and you've just made my day with this post. I have never felt so vindicated.
- cerved 4y agoI envy you
- wazoox 4y agoI haven't used windows for 20 years and yesterday I had a teams teleconference using Firefox on Linux. It works noticeably more poorly than most similar systems (jit.si for the win) but it works.
- Conan_Kudo 4y agoTeams calls are terrible for non-Windows users. :(
- hkt 4y agoIf it makes you feel better, I gather they're terrible for Windows users as well
- wazoox 4y agoIt actually worked decently once I used wired networking. Probably gobbles up bandwidth, typical Microsoft :D The main problem is that randomly, Teams invite end in some "an unkown error occurred" and when this happens there's no recourse. It never happened with Zoom, Jit.si, Goto Meeting, Google Meet or whatever else I've used. The absolutely worst of all is WebEx, fortunately it's rapidly disappearing.
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- oefrha 4y agoWell I still have a non-signed-in local account on my Windows 11 Pro install, but of course every time I boot up I get a full screen “finish setting up your device” before I’m allowed to sign in. The only options are “continue” and “remind me in three days”. Better yet, I once clicked on continue by accident and the computer hang for three minutes before I shut it down. Now I only reboot when the machine BSODs, which (I kid you not) happens every three to five days. Thankfully I only use it for some cross-platform testing and occasional gaming.
- flakeoil 4y agoI have the same issue with "finish setting up your device". I don't understand how this can be legal. In the early 2000 MS got fined for bundling IE as default, but I seriously think they have even more evil patterns now baked into Windows and all it's entangling into 365 etc.
- trinsic2 4y agoI was thinking the same thing. I heard somewhere that nobody wants to prosecute Microsoft now because their systems are so tied into our our financial and political infrastructure that nobody wants to rock the boat. I also heard that Microsoft uses this as leverage against business that want to speak out against the dark patterns and deceptive practices Microsoft is involved in. "The New Goliaths: How Corporations Use Software to Dominate Industries, Kill Innovation, and Undermine Regulation"[1] looks like a good book on the subject that I plan on reading. [1]: https://www.amazon.com/New-Goliaths-Corporations-Industries-Innovation/dp/0300255047 https://www.amazon.com/New-Goliaths-Corporations-Industries-...
- nazgulsenpai 4y agoI absolutely detest Microsoft, but I think that same argument could be made for most of big tech but especially Google, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle or even the link you provided there selling the book, Amazon.
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- AndrewDavis 4y ago> The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Then they do absolutely crazy weird things! I recently got a new laptop. My account is `adavis@<domain>.com`, my user name on my old laptop using that account is `adavis`. What did Windows 11 do when I create my user on laptop. Oh it makes my user name `adavi`, yes it truncated my username. After scouring the internet, trying a few different things to rename my account to no avail, nothing worked! Until I found a command to bring up an account management window that looked dated to the win 2k era ish (and can't be found via any settings window). It allowed me to create a local account with the name `adavis`. I then logged into it, deleted my `adavi` account then was able to associate my new local account with my Microsoft account.
- beAbU 4y agoThis issue has been bugging me since Windows 7. Only "proper" solution is to /not/ sign into your MS account when seeting up the new machine for the first time. Create a local account with the name as you want it, and then only afterwards link it with your MS account (if you have to). Only problem is, latest Win11 installer does not allow you to create a local account anymore at all. So you need to install Win10, do the work-around-dance, and then upgrade to Win11. I only relaized this after halway through my most recent format. Every time when I ssh into one of my other boxen, I have to remember now to go 'SSH myname@ip' else windows helpfully defaults to 'mynam@IP'
- navaati 4y agoIn case that might help you: You can create a file ".ssh/config" in your user directory, just like under linux, and inside of it put "User myname", and ssh will use that as a default and you won't have to specify it with @ everytime.
- inversetelecine 4y agoIf you can't bypass the Win11 online account requirement by being offline during install, then try this: In the "Let's connect you to a network" page, use these steps: * Use the Shift + F10 keyboard shortcut to open Command Prompt. * Type the following command to release the current network configuration and press Enter: oobe\bypassnro Note: The command is a single phrase without spaces. Note2: This will reboot the machine and restart the installer again (why?? because fu for not wanting a MS account that's why)
- pid-1 4y ago> The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. During the pandemic, a key security component of our remote work architecture was to use Azure AD Conditional Access to restrict users to login in M365 apps from AD joined laptops + some Inutne compliance rules. A weird situation was that, for a new laptop, we could not login using a domain account, as it was not joined in our domain. We also could not create a local account to join it. Not sure how IT solved that.
- Meph504 4y agoWindows 11 allows for the creation of local accounts, it sounds like someone signed in with a azureAD account (work email) joining the azure AD basically drops a lot of default policies on the machine, one of those is disabling local admin. They can either remove that policy from their azure AD, or remove the machine from the azure ad. Or update their policies to allow for azureAD joined machines.
- pbhjpbhj 4y agoWin10 tries pretty hard too, you have to have The Secret Knowledge TM if you just want to use the operating system without sending everything to MS.
- datavirtue 4y agoMicrosoft auth is the leading cause of newly devised cuss-words in the first world.
- zamnos 4y agoNo, you're not. Specifically, unless you configure things juuuust right, then the alt-tab behavior and the taskbar/dock behavior is different. Not a show stopping "bug", but let's not pretend it's entirely workflow transparent to use it from Chrome.
- WastingMyTime89 4y agoAs someone who has to do that (one work account with my company, one with our customer) the UX is miserable. Notifications work sometimes, delay can be significant and I don’t trust the auto-away feature when Teams run in a browser. Multi-accounts are really painful with most chat clients I have encountered. It sometimes makes me miss e-mail where the inside/outside distinction doesn’t exist.
- russfink 4y agoAnd in an incognito window, too.
- theK 4y agoBrowsers have come a long way in this regard, you are right. Even before containers, I love having a ff profile for work and one for personal stuff, they are ultra portable too.