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Microsoft just announced a media event taking place tomorrow with OpenAI
- generalizations 4y agoThat is a ballsy move. Sounds like they're going to try and steal Google's thunder on the 9th. Wonder what they have planned - a version of chatgpt that isn't behind a login wall? Something that integrates with Bing? They probably have the compute infrastructure to pull it off.
- ape4 4y agoIs the underdog move. If it fails, well, they are still far from the leader. But if it works...
- ChildOfChaos 4y agoGoogle already announced there AI today though, so looks like they are trying to one up each other.
- teruakohatu 4y agoMaking ChatGPT part of Office 365, along with Bing integration, would be a baller move. In one move Google would be on the defensive for search, productivity and email.
- dougmwne 4y agoThis is a real grab-the-popcorn moment. If Microsoft is about to slam GPT into Bing it could be their best moment to steal market share from Google in decades. Few a few glorious weeks, the world would be talking about Bing search. Google is desperately trying to get ahead of that. You can practically see them pushing each other out of the way to get through the door first.
- ganoushoreilly 4y agoNot surprising Google announced their AI ambitions with BARD, they're feeling the heat. I love the competition, I just hope it doesn't end up lopsided with a clear winner that takes all.
- mc32 4y agoDefinitely! It would be nice to be back where there was no dominant search player and you had half dozen "able" solutions. In this scenario maybe some would have different biases (general, business, parental supervision, no-guardrails, etc) Out of curiosity would this the one one of the emps characterized as "sentient"?
- bfeynman 4y agothat's exactly opposite of consumer behavior, people want simple experience they can trust. That's why google and amazon are so popular, even with their flaws, no one wants to scan multiple different providers to get a simple answer/item.
- mc32 4y agoI guess. But many people shot NewEgg and ebay as well. Not everyone want's the "correct" version of the internet either. Some or many will want a firehose for themselves and a filtered version for their kids, etc.
- asim 4y agoEnd consumers don't care. This is the thing. We live in a total bubble. While for us this is really interesting, the long tail don't care. We're going to see over the coming years how this plays out. Redefining the search format is a good first step, whether or not it will lead to stronger adoption of the Bing search product is not clear.
- LesZedCB 4y agoi heard random old folks in the cafe i like to work at talking about chatGPT. it's not a niche topic in the slightest little bit. if the defacto location for using chatGPT becomes bing.com (or whatever rebranding) that's huge.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoMy friend’s college age kids are using ChatGPT for dating app conversations. Illinois and Iowa colleges. Bringing ChatGPT to Bing would be similar to what GitHub did for MS’ DevRel.
- dougmwne 4y agoI love that because I have heard similar anecdotes about using ChatGPT to respond to coworkers. In the end it will just be ChatGPT talking to itself on Tinder and Slack.
- HDThoreaun 4y agoMy dad is a doctor who is now using chatGPT to respond to questions from his residents. It only works half the time or so, but he will consistently put their question in to see how ot does.
- zht 4y agoHIPAA?
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- Kukumber 4y agoPeople mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT It's similar with Edge, even after they moved to Chromium, most people use it to download Chrome Google will soon release their own ChatGPT, so it's already game over for Bing Microsoft didn't make ChatGPT, so there is no brand fidelity among ChatGPT users And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google, it's just a web app; once you found it, you don't need to look for it again, you bookmark it, or it's in your browser history and accessible from your address bar I don't understand this movement to promote Microsoft/Bing, when the star of the show is ChatGPT itself, ChatGPT makes Google/Bing useless to begin with
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- nonethewiser 4y ago>People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website On that note, couldnt Google just show bongs ChatGPT results? I suppose there are probably some legal issues there.
- mercer 4y agoI dunno, my search results usually decrease in quality when a bong is involved
- spinningslate 4y ago> They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT No insider knowledge, but it would seem a marketing snafu to go down that route. ChatGPT has brand awareness: Microsoft has exclusive access to ChatGPT. They've been canny with Github by _not_ branding it Microsoft. >And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google Indeed. So how can Microsoft disintermediate Google given they don't own either the browser or current internet search? Windows is one possibility: integrate ChatGPT direct into Windows search. The market certainly isn't as big as mobile - but it's not small either. All speculation obviously. I'll have the popcorn out too.
- nonethewiser 4y agoThis is how I thought askjeeves worked when I was 10.
- thom 4y agoWhat’s really funny about this is that the answer to “what’s the meaning of life?” on Ask Jeeves about 20 years ago was an Eliezer Yudkowsky essay on AI saying that if we’re too dumb to know the meaning of life, we should build machines that are smart enough to work it out.
- TechBro8615 4y agoI've been defaulting to Bing over Google for non-programming queries for a while now. The results are objective and clearly devoid of whatever bias filter Google applies before returning what it thinks I'm asking for.
- vitorgrs 4y agoBing with ChatGPT-4 already leaked so just a matter of time. https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-with-bing-s-chatgpt-62b42d8d7198 https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-wit...
- dougmwne 4y agoHoly hell. If that is real then Google is FUUUCKED.
- rhdunn 4y agoTBH, if Bing with ChatGPT can a) understand what I'm trying to search for (e.g. when searching about specific errors like "windows taskbar bug showing empty windows in the taskbar for icons in the system tray"), b) find the relevant information and answers, and c) show links that I can go to to verify that information/answer then I'd switch to Bing with ChatGPT for those types of search as Google has been getting steadily worse around this. For the search above, Google shows results for blank/missing icons in the taskbar, etc. which are not the issue I'm trying to find information about. There are many other queries I've tried to get information from by a Google search, but haven't been able to make Google understand what I'm looking for -- instead, it tries to figure out what I mean, but ends up returning unrelated results.
- techdragon 4y agoI’d genuinely pay for this. It’s the first one that might be worth it. (For me at least) I’ve been skeptical about the value of AI driven services despite the results, I’ve got DiffusionBee on my MacBook Pro with me everywhere, I use it from time to time and it’s surprisingly useful… But the effort to train myself on prompt engineering in order to get the kinds of results that are worth me paying a monthly service for… sorry that’s where it falls apart. I’ve got shit to do and these things are meant to be “smart” and save time. I don’t really have time to learn an entirely undocumented domain specific language hidden inside the ML model. I got early access to GPT v3 and the other OpenAI models in their limited public beta periods… I’ve used my beta credits and all that… the thing is… I clearly don’t think/write/talk like other people other because universally my results have been fucking garbage until I sit down and think very hard what the computer might be expecting in order to get better results. This continues to frustrate me as I’ve done tech support for a living for years earlier in my career, described technical computer related concepts and instructions to someone over the phone with no way to know what’s going on except asking them what they are seeing on their computer… and no I wasn’t just reading off a flow chart, about the only cheat sheet I needed was a list of useful keyboard shortcuts to get to things like system info, and some screenshots of windows desktops to make it easier to quickly describe visual points of reference for things to help guide the user I was helping… I did it so long I’ve been told I have a “tech support voice” when I mode switch into trying to genuinely help someone with a computer… and all these ML tools before ChatGPT where to use a colloquialism “as thick as two short planks” and dealing with them (prior to ChatGPT) was very frustrating. The ChatGPT is genuinely quite a lot better at understanding me and while it is prone to hallucinations and i continue to find the shallow pools of creativity where it absolutely loves to repeat itself (I once asked to generate a list of 50 name suggestions for specific kind of company and managed to get it to repeat itself twice) … Point is I’d absolutely pay for this and probably halve the amount of google search (if not more since it’s hard to gauge a count of how much automatic almost reflex rephrases and re-searching I do on google due to poor results ) I use if I can pay for this to ensure good service quality. This is definitely worth $25AU a month if it doesn’t suck.
- 2snakes 4y agoBlood in the water since Google themselves said ChatGPT could kill them in a few years.
- htrp 4y agoChatGPT integrated knowledge graph and instant answers in bing.
- deely3 4y agoVerifiable answers? Or just ChatGPT answers with some random facts? I could be wrong but first one is not yet implented and second one doesn't make sense.
- 2bitencryption 4y agoIf this announcement regards GPT+Bing, I hope MS is savvy enough to also use this as a rebranding moment for Bing. "Bing: now with GPT!" doesn't roll of the tongue. If this is truly an inflection point for Bing, give it a new branding. Leave Bing in the recycling bin.
- cloudking 4y agoBing -> Bong https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Bing_Bong https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Bing_Bong
- nonethewiser 4y agohttps://youtu.be/poz6W0znOfk https://youtu.be/poz6W0znOfk
- bombcar 4y agoThey could rebrand as Internet Explorer on the Edge. Sounds more like a search engine anyway.
- mc32 4y agoIn this case, it's the internet but without the "edge" (which is good in most business instances)
- nonethewiser 4y agoDear god. This is a great idea. But obviously a terrible idea at the same time.
- awesomeMilou 4y agoJust go with EdgeSearch. Then, instead of "googling something", we would be edging to get a result to a problem.
- WithinReason 4y agoKeep it simple, just call it AskGPT
- foobarian 4y agoI wonder how they plan to monetize this, and what the compute costs look like.
- dougmwne 4y agoThat is the exact thing that the company playing catch-up can worry about later once the users show up. MS has plenty of money and not much to protect in the search space. It’s Google that’s facing an existential risk if this new information tool becomes popular and they can’t figure out how to monetize it.
- sublinear 4y agoIf it turns out to be Office + ChatGPT does it mean the return of Clippy? Can Clippy auto-reply to my emails when I'm out with good answers based on replies I've already given and stuff I've documented on SharePoint that people never bother reading? That would be awesome.
- arthurcolle 4y agoMake him cool, give him shades and a vape, a broccoli haircut, call him Lil Clip, put him on TikTok (acquisition pending)
- dougmwne 4y agoROFL, Lil Clip it is. Also he is ace now and goes by Cle/Clim. We obviously had clim mis-gendered from the start. Why the hell did we need to force gender on a paperclip?
- sadjad 4y agoHow do you do, fellow kids?
- dougmwne 4y agoIt looks like you’re trying to relate to teenagers. Would you like a slang glossary PowerPoint template?
- aliqot 4y agothe first AI rapper, and I use both terms loosely, was a massive failure and got cancelled recently.
- seydor 4y agoIt looks like you re slacking off. Do you want some help with that?
- rvz 4y agoMicrosoft magnificently coordinates a move once done by Facebook who also stole Snap Inc's thunder before announcing their conference years ago and applies that same move on to Google to finish them off. This announcement is hyping around ChatGPT on Bing, GPT-4, and potentially generative videos from images which is already around the corner. Google has the same set of this research and I expect this to be applied on to Google Search. But rather than to join the chorus of calls for the end of Google in two years because of ChatGPT, it is better to wait for what research Google has done before all of this, since right now, ChatGPT's capability is no better than a clever sophist unable to transparently explain itself. It is not over for Google. They are fine. It is only over for both OpenAI and Google when an open source LLM that is better and smaller than ChatGPT is released; just like what Stable Diffusion did to DALL-E 2. That is the real requirement that will change everything permanently.
- thewataccount 4y ago> It is only over for both OpenAI and Google when an open source LLM that is better and smaller than ChatGPT is released; just like what Stable Diffusion did to DALL-E 2. Man imagine a text model running local on your device. Plus it doesn't even need to be as good as the state of the art stuff - just "good enough" for the average person to care. Stable diffusion already runs on iPhones (I'm sure android too) albeit slowly - I don't think its unrealistic. Stable diffusion's model is only ~2.4gb pruned. Sure we aren't quite there yet but I think it's totally possible.
- pkaye 4y agoI need a Google Home type of device with ChatGPT level of AI. I which Microsoft would do this.
- erulabs 4y agoOh my god imagine a home assistant that could keep track of two kitchen timers simultaneously. Truly we live in the future.
- nonethewiser 4y agoCortana goes to college
- nlstitch 4y agoYES. This is great news. It's really time to shake up the competition and kicks things back into high gear.
- binarymax 4y agoPeople seem to think that this integration will turn the tables on Google. But the fact is that Google has such a wide reach by default on browsers and devices, that this will likely not make a difference. Google has a staggering 92% of searches globally[0]. Most people don’t know how to change their search engine. Bard can be a slow rollout, and if done right their search platform is not at risk. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
- mirekrusin 4y agoPeople said same kind of things in the past, ie. about Nokia when iPhone came out etc.
- binarymax 4y agoI’ll admit anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely. It’s not like Google was caught completely unaware and incapable, they’ve been refining this tech for a while internally.
- impulser_ 4y agoThe big difference here is that you had too buy either the Nokia or the iPhone. Google is preinstalled on billions of phones for free, and this will not be changing anytime soon. How are you going to get millions of old folk that dont care about Bing vs Google to change the default search engine on their smartphone if you are Bing?
- kriro 4y agoI suppose it's Bing -> "SearchGPT" or maybe GPT integration for office or both. Let's see how much hybe will be generated. Current stock price: 256.77
- jsnell 4y agoAnnouncements of announcements are historically considered offtopic on HN. Let's at least wait until there's some kind of details to discuss.
- mirekrusin 4y agoI think it's going to be about the new version of clippy.
- NGRhodes 4y agoAlong with the ChatGTP enhanced search that is most likely to be announced soon, I've just (10 minutes before posting this) spotted https://www.bing.com/images/create https://www.bing.com/images/create which is AI image generation powered by DALL-E
- netdur 4y agogoing to do the same mistakes again and again, this service is not available in my region, and bing still censoring search in my country, stating local law that is not there, they are confusing Morocco with a middle east country.
- abudabi123 4y agoIf it is true Microsoft has money in the war chest they should be looking at ideas twice the size of Twitter in value, $88B. OpenAi is Elon M's left behind project and it doesn't give the impression it has made rapid progress like the demos at Neuralink. Imagine the synergy from Twitter, Neuralink, Tesla for tackling large language models. Twitter has the SoT for how people interact. I dunno where OpenAi gets data and how fresh it is.
- wildrhythms 4y agoWhat does this mean for the 'Cortana' uhh... feature?
- 1024core 4y agoRelated to this? https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-updates/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-upda...
- netdur 4y agoround two, fight
- chatterhead 4y ago[dead]