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Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5
- dougmwne 4y agoIs this officially Microsoft’s second GTP powered product after Copilot?
- asabla 4y agoI would believe so. There is some ML functionality built into Visual Studio now a days (intellisense + some auto complete). But I don't think they market it as a separate product.
- cloudking 4y ago"With intelligent recap in Teams premium, you’ll get automatically generated meeting notes, recommended tasks, and personalized highlights to help you get the information most important to you, even if you miss the meeting." There are some startups working on these solutions too right?
- yuxiang32 4y agoYes. That was initially my idea for a hackathon. Kinda glad I didn't see it through.
- braindead_in 4y agoI saw two on HN yesterday: https://www.metaview.ai/ https://www.metaview.ai/ and https://www.meetjamie.ai/ https://www.meetjamie.ai/.
- davidkuennen 4y agoOof. I guess it's hard if your product is a feature.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoWould love to try this, it would get so confused in our technical meetings that use internal code words and obscure jargon.
- walrus01 4y agoCan I just pay for chatgpt to take an entire meeting for me instead?
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- flippinburgers 4y agoSo just feed autogenerated text from a video into ChatGPT and ask it to summerize.
- cardosof 4y agoYup, this is it, this is the real life version of the beginning of the Manna story. https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 https://marshallbrain.com/manna1
- jph00 4y agoAmazing this book is from 2003 - very prescient.
- naruhodo 4y ago> Version 4.0 of Manna was also the first version to enforce average task times, and that was even worse. Manna would ask you to clean the restrooms. But now Manna had industry-average times for restroom cleaning stored in the software, as well as “target times”. If it took you too long to mop the floor or clean the sinks, Manna would say to you, “lagging”. When you said, “OK” to mark task completion for Manna, Manna would say, “Your time was 4 minutes 10 seconds. Industry average time is 3 minutes 30 seconds. Please focus on each task.” Anyone who lagged consistently was fired. Feels like Amazon took some inspiration from that.
- chii 4y agoai and neural networks aren't needed for this sort of work metric monitoring. You'd have found this in factories decades ago. The situation that is described in Manna is merely something that would occur under complete free market capitalism, and assumes that people would not change or adapt to meet the challenges of automation.
- narrator 4y agoHe didn't anticipate that AI would require a huge amount of processing power and that AI safety would be such a huge problem.
- andsoitis 4y agoI hope this puts pressure on Google for adding intelligence features to Meet!
- throwoutway 4y agoI hope it does not. I don't want to see these features. Microsoft Teams barely runs, nd barely lets me join a meeting
- Game_Ender 4y agoAlmost all of these look like backend features that feed AI summarized or generated data. So they probably won’t hurt client performance.
- timetraveller26 4y agoright?
- kornhole 4y agoAn AI listening in and evaluating all my meetings? No thanks. I have now switched all meetings with my reports to my Nextcloud Talk server.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago> An AI listening in and evaluating all my meetings? How is that different than a co-worker/manager/HR?
- pithon 4y agoOne is a human, the other is some AI hoovering up everything I say an adding it to their database which can be used in every other instance of Teams in the world. I'd say that's a meaningful difference.
- kornhole 4y agoThe people in the meeting were invited. They have limited memory. They have respect for each other and only share as appropriate. They are not logging everything said to people's dossiers to be used for other purposes.
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- ffhhj 4y agoLet those bots talk to each other and give us humans the summary.
- admg 4y agoCan they just start by getting it to hold the setting for a default microphone/audio output?
- lifty 4y agoThat requires AGI so unfortunately we are not there yet. But the future holds promise.
- elforce002 4y agoJust putting it out there, ChatGPT is not even AI.
- yablak 4y agoWe're definitely living through a William Gibson book now.
- 29athrowaway 4y agoNow we need all the toxic people automatically flagged and fired. Or even better... moderate people by cutting off their mic: "Please stay on topic", "Don't interrupt others", "Don't ignore other participants", "Please answer the question", etc. An AI meeting moderator would make work so much better.
- oauea 4y agoThis is a joke, right?
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y agoI initially read it as a joke, but now I'm not sure...
- 29athrowaway 4y agoNo, it's not. Some people truly need it. The status quo is a joke. The threshold for considering behavior toxic is too high. Now we have the technology to end the bullshit. If you are interrupting, ignoring others, bluffing, lying, manipulating, gaslighting, being a sycophant, playing dirty... you are no longer playing the game. There are ways of achieving things that do not involve cheating. If you disagree, then I have to ask you: are you really being collaborative and inclusive, working for a common goal, or you are simply being selectively inclusive and collaborative up to the point it's time to sabotage others? There are people out there that get ahead by being irrational, selfish and overall horrible. Let's get them out of the way and let the best ideas win.
- zerop 4y agoI see a great use case of it. we can schedule product training sessions on teams and it will generate notes.. all the knowledge will be documented too.
- bitwize 4y agoIf you train an AI on enough Teams meetings, it will probably eventually generate the lyrics to "Mission Statement": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4
- earleybird 4y agoGreat, now I have to read a bots meeting notes to confirm "that's what I meant".
- jodrellblank 4y agoTeams has had transcription for ages, and the transcription indexed into your company's M365 search: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/cloud-recording https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/cloud-recor...
- samplatt 4y agoYeah, but if you don't have the standard Midwestern Accent, you're fucked. As an Australian I'd estimate that ~70% of everything has an error in the transcription.
- jbm 4y agoThe real premium version of Microsoft Teams will be the one that doesn't crash my Google Chrome window every 30-45 minutes.
- rochak 4y agoFacts. Unfortunately, this could very well be a pipe dream.
- thrwawy74 4y agoI get so tired of what would seem like very simple things breaking in Teams. All this last week I've been recording conference calls with Powerpoint. I understand there's a recording function within Teams, but it started out singleplayer with no one watching the demonstrations of my processes. Anyway, Teams will pop up notifications while I'm recording and it didn't used to. Hell, I'll be sharing my screen in Teams and it will show my notifications over the screen share. So far I've been lucky that nothing surprising has been leaked to others or wound up in recordings, but this didn't used to happen.
- shmerl 4y agoOr one that works in Firefox without disconnecting you at random when you try to make a video call or join a conference.
- olyjohn 4y agoOr a Windows app that doesn't crash and fuck up all the time. Or a Mac app that doesn't crash and fuck up all the time. Or a Linux app that isn't total and complete garbage. It's such a steaming pile of shit to try to do basic things with, but they're spending time on this shit.
- runako 4y agoI don't use Teams as a daily driver, but I would be a candidate for a paid upgrade pack that made it have the polish one expects from an app built by a public company. In particular, the emoji are terrible.
- narrator 4y agoCould someone please compete with GPT-3? This is getting ridiculous how far ahead OpenAi is getting, despite Google probably having better tech. It seems nobody else has the big brass balls of the OpenAI guys to put a large language model out there and deal with the consequences. Yann LeCun is on Twitter saying this isn't a big deal[1], but where's Facebook's LLM that's available to the public? [1]https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1620533783702433792 https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1620533783702433792
- _4bjt 4y ago> where's Facebook's LLM that's available to the public? https://blenderbot.ai/ https://blenderbot.ai/
- thethimble 4y agoThe response quality of BlenderBot is pretty bad compared to ChatGPT Example question: What’s a covariance matrix? BlenderBot: Principal component analysis is a popular technique for analyzing large datasets containing a high number of dimensions/features per observation, increasing the interpretability of data while preserving the maximum amount of information, and enabling the visualization of multidimensional data. ChatGPT: A covariance matrix is a symmetric matrix that describes the covariance between multiple variables in a given dataset. The diagonal elements of the matrix represent the variance of each variable, and the off-diagonal elements represent the covariance between each pair of variables. The covariance matrix is used in multivariate statistics to understand the relationships between different variables and to perform statistical inference and hypothesis testing.
- narrator 4y agoI tried it. It can't answer basic encyclopedia facts (e.g How many people died in World War II). It can't do basic programming (e.g write a javascript function to reverse a string). Just goes to show that everyone besides OpenAI are so terrified of these things that they can only release versions that are toys. Do these companies fear their customers that much? Maybe that's the difference between Microsoft/OpenAI and Facebook/Google. Microsoft sells the LLM to the customer who will be more impressed by the product if it's useful. With Facebook/Google the product uses the LLM. The LLM may make them an unsuitable product if they don't click on an ad after using it.
- roncesvalles 4y agoMicrosoft is desperate to monetize Teams separately from the M365 license because of how expensive it is to operate. Initially they were chasing the platform app store route but that doesn't seem to be going anywhere. This is their second attempt.
- simfree 4y agoThey are definitely making money of Microsoft Teams Voice and Teams Phone System...
- Mandatum 4y agoSalesforce, SAP, AWS and Google about to get leapfrogged.. If they buy Notion - endgame. Microsoft is our new overlords.
- Gigachad 4y agoCan they get gpt-3 to program a version of Teams that works?
- blacksmith_tb 4y agoTo anyone fortunate to not have to use Teams, this is no joke - it's mind-bogglingly terrible. But I have noticed some unintentional humor, if I send a message like "ok, this isn't working, why don't I Slack you a Zoom link instead?" I get an immediate modal popping up, asking if I would answer two quick questions...
- Gigachad 4y agoIt’s quite literally a daily event where someone in a call will say “sorry, my teams is bugged out, I can’t see you” or some other bug of the day. A coworker keeps a log of every teams bug he sees which is enormous. It’s not even weird edge cases. The core features like calls just flat out don’t work in random ways.
- vladvasiliu 4y agoForget calls. There's been a recent update that managed to break the chat screen even more than before (when it was "only" slow). Roughly half the time I start teams, the chat window will be empty. It's just gray. It doesn't look like it's loading with empty bubbles or similar, it just sits there doing nothing and being completely empty. I can change contacts, the heading updates, but there just are no messages showing up. I can change tabs, like going to activity, calendar, or teams (where messages do show up), when I get back to the chats, no contents. Of course, this being Microsoft, a restart seems to fix it right up.
- Joeri 4y agoYeah, but if the teams developers had been fixing those bugs, they wouldn’t have been able to build this AI-powered teams premium. /s As a daily user of teams it’s pretty obvious that the way teams is built is not informed by UX experts or user feedback, and mostly is focused on checking off as many boxes as possible to sell the product to C-level. It has a bewildering set of features, and they’re usually either kind of broken or kind of hard to use, or both. But I have no doubt they’re eating slack’s lunch, for the same reason my employer switched from slack to teams: convenient licensing, bundling and deployment.
- prng2021 4y agoGong has had these meeting feaures. I'm curious if GPT-3.5 leapfrogs it.
- rks404 4y agoautomatic notes captured out of meetings ... I don't know if I want that.
- TOMDM 4y agoMeetings summaries are cool I guess, but it's about the least interesting thing you could do with gpt and Microsoft's software suite. And at $10/user/month? Put it in Word, Outlook, PowerPoint, GitHub, generate Excel formulas, let me design power automate flows, or power query m stuff for powerbi, let me datamine the company SharePoint/OneDrive.
- userbinator 4y agoWith more than 400 new features and improvements added to Microsoft Teams last year Unfortunately, the only things I've seen are trivial and IMHO entirely unnecessary changes like "change the icons" or "add more useless whitespace", or something that was already widespread and possible decades ago like "now we have multiple windows". If that's what they thought were "features and improvements", it explains why Teams is still a sluggish pig that just barely works and feels repugnant to interact with. It still greatly disappoints me that Microsoft of all companies can't write a decent native IM/AV client anymore. This AI stuff is not going to improve the basic experience either.
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- zormino 4y ago400 "features and improvements" sounds like they just counted closed tickets. Ticket open -> couldn't reproduce -> ticket closed.
- stevesimmons 4y agoThe latest Teams update lost the ability to paste from a Teams chat message into plain text (e.g. Visual Studio Code). All the line breaks disappear. The only way around this is to have a random Microsoft Word window, paste the Teams message into Word, and then copy from Word into Visual Studio Code. Aaargh Microsoft! A mindbogglingly dumb regression for a 5 year old product.
- hulitu 4y ago> The only way around this is to have a random Microsoft Word window Notepad is better and starts faster. At least the Win10 version.
- shmerl 4y agoOh, it's so "Open".
- rlt 4y agoIt will probably take a true AGI for Microsoft to fix their awful buggy Teams client.
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- adzm 4y agoDid teams ever complete their rewrite off of AngularJS (classic angular)?
- jamesvnz 4y agoBased off examining the HTML recently when I was trying to diagnose a problem the other month where teams refused to pay a video - no.
- mellosouls 4y agoAs big a fan as I am of GPT3, the idea of it as a shiny new toy for the meeting-class to ensure those of us who attend grudgingly because we like to - you know - get things done are now going to have the joys of Clippy-as-Hall-Monitor helpfully guiding us through every minute of the meeting we managed to dip out on is not appealing.
- aetherspawn 4y agoI wish they would push the calling aspect of Microsoft Teams more. The technology is great: 1. Receive business calls from anywhere and any handset or computer. Seamlessly transfer and pick up the call on any device. Can be linked to inbound 1800, 1300 numbers, landline numbers, etc. 2. Can do call forwarding, ring-out forwarding, and voice messages 3. Voice messages are recorded, transcripted and the audio file and text transcript emailed to you. In many cases you don't even need to listen to the audio 4. Users can have their own inbound phone numbers (!) and outbound phone numbers (!) and i.e. push these automatically into email signatures, all centrally managed from Microsoft 365 Admin 5. Teams Desk phones require just an ethernet connection to work, don't require any SIP HW or configuration, and can be hotdesked in a few seconds But the real issue is that the commercialization of it was poor. Microsoft outsourced the phone switchboard part to third party providers/resellers of the Teams calling packs, and these are usually small to medium SMB that operate like used car salesman and have stupid pricing models, i.e. minimum 10 phone numbers or users (in Australia, anyway) or sell you like four differently named confusing calling packs and addons that nobody can understand. In the case of Telstra, they wanted $5000 (!!) for a consultant to setup a $10/user/mo Teams calling plan and wouldn't let us take out an account without going through a setup consultant. Similarly, another big telco we talked to required a minimum order of around $200/mo. For goodness sake, it's a SaaS, you should be able to just go online and order it without talking to anyone. A novel product and great idea, with truly poor commercialization and ZERO regulation of their partner network and their allowed pricing models.
- solarkraft 4y agoCalls are the one thing Teams does well (and it does them really well), IMO. Everything else is quirky, but calls just work.
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- yanellena 4y agoFrom my experience you don't necessarily need to use a third party VoIP provider unless you need coexistence with your existing phone system. My team have an allocated Microsoft provided number which is allocated via the Teams admin centre which is easy to manage and we can just order more numbers if required.
- planetjones 4y agoThe premium feature I would like is to automatically blur private chat messages and e-mails when sharing your screen. The number of times i have seen information leakage because someone is sharing their whole desktop grows every week. It needs a technological solution to it.
- jdlyga 4y agoMicrosoft Teams is a good Slack-like software. The UI is much more conducive to threads by default, which is an excellent choice. Had lots of issues with video calls being unreliable pre-covid, and our company eventually abandoned it.
- walterbell 4y agoHave meeting transcripts been used to train LLMs? How long until AI Chatbots participate in meetings? Corporate, department, industry or employee-owned LLMs? https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1620915691133243394 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1620915691133243394 > To impress your peers, and get a promotion, show that you care about the process, and sound smart, but without repeating what was said, you say:
- hulitu 4y ago> Microsoft Teams Premium: powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5 They shall power Teams with some people to design an UI and fix the bugs. It is the worst piece of software i ever used.
- solarkraft 4y agoWill this "premium" version include fixes for all the obvious and terrible bugs people keep complaining about? They're barely acceptable for a free product. If they can spend billions on AI maybe they can assign like ONE person to caring about Teams??
- hooby 4y agoLook at the history of past Microsoft chat products... and then name one they didn't run slowly into the ground and then replace with something else! - MSN Messenger - Windows Live Messenger - Microsoft Office Communications - Microsoft V-Chat - Microsoft Lync - Skype - Skype for Business (nothing to do with Skype - completely different software) - Microsoft Classroom - Windows Meeting Space - Microsoft NetMeeting - Microsoft Office Live Meeting etc. Why would you expect Teams to fare differently?
- Sakos 4y agoMSN Messenger was great and significantly better than the abomination that is Teams. Was Teams ever good?
- rfqd 4y agoThere definitely was a point when I thought that, yes, this is a new product and it is looking good, give it another year or so to get the kinks out. But then they removed features they got right the first time, like fullscreen screen sharing with their New Experience. They also added more and more half-baked poducts with rapidly changing apis and the like. From then on I was convinced that they in fact didn't want to learn what Slack/Discord/etc. did right and just go their usual MS way.
- rjh29 4y agoMSN Messenger was good for a short period, then got increasingly bloated and horrible and I had to switch to alternative clients like Trillian. I remember someone released a hacked version of Messenger with all the bloat stripped out, too. I see what you mean though. I don't remember Teams ever being good.
- davidhyde 4y ago> “Delight customers right from their mobile device with a seamless experience that includes a virtual, branded lobby and easy pre-appointment chatting capabilities.” This refers to the meeting join link and the last time someone sent me a link like this it was not a delightful experience. I ended up mixing up organisations and accounts. An example of a good experience is joining a Jitsi Meet meeting because you don’t have to sign up or do anything to join (my comment is on the join experience only). It remains standalone and does not try to link you to anything. There is no time to mess around when joining a meeting.
- alxlaz 4y agoI have zero shame about it so I might as well confess: I have no bloody idea how to use Teams with more than one organisation. I just set up a VM for each one. I am smart enough to automate a minimal install (the bar for that is pretty low, if we're being honest) but apparently not smart enough to use Teams. It's beyond hilarious, two out of three times I end up in the wrong lobby with the wrong people and the wrong account despite doing the exact same thing, based on following the exact same guides on the Internet. Unless you're using it on your domain-enrolled work computer (which, to be fair, is probably the demographics Microsoft cares about) Teams is basically chatroulette.
- hef19898 4y agoI once ended up doing a teams interview as my 8 year old, because Teams, or rather I, was unable to switch between my then start-up account and the school account of my kid. Confused the interviewer a bit in the beginning. As good as Teams is whithin and across orgs, as long as you stick to one single account, as much it sucks with multiple accounts on the same machine. That, and all the crap like opening files in Teams when Office is installed. But the SharePoint is opening files in the browser instead of the native apps... Teams Outlook intergration is neat so.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago> Unless you're using it on your domain-enrolled work computer (which, to be fair, is probably the demographics Microsoft cares about) Teams is basically chatroulette. What do you mean? I sometimes use Teams on an AD-joined computer, and the multiple-account situation is beyond absurd. The whole freaking app has to restart when changing accounts, even though both are connected through the same exact AzureAD identity. There is no difference whatsoever between the AD-joined Windows experience and the not-joined-to-anything Linux one.
- deng 4y agoPersonally, I'm very much looking forward to absolutely hilarious meeting notes. I work at a company with local branches in France and GB, and with lots and lots of expats from all over the world, so many people have pretty strong accents. Whenever I'm bored in a meeting, I turn on transcription and usually get a good chuckle out of it. I can't wait to see what ChatGPT will generate with this. Also, I'm really wondering: How will ChatGPT deal with the typical banter that often happens in meetings? Will I get meeting notes about whether Messi or Ronaldo is the greater player? What about gossip that a human would never put in a meeting note? Will the department X be happy to read that they never get things done in time because person Y usually has a hangover on Mondays? The future will be exciting!
- lampe3 4y agoThe premium version of Teams would be one with: - Better UX. When working with Slack/Discord or any other of these apps. Going back to Teams is painful. - That does not drain my Iphones battery as much as watching 4 hours on youtube.
- chopete3 4y ago>> With more than 400 new features and improvements That is a lot but MS Teams lacks one key feature that only Zoom/WebEx type tools have - the ability to pause the screen-sharing. It is strange that even Google meet doesn't have that feature. Sharing pause is quite helpful when doing external meetings.
- deutschepost 4y agoEvery time a company like Microsoft or Facebook talks about how my messages are E2EE inside of their app I always read: "Now only we and you can read your messages, no one else." What's the point of E2EE if you can't be sure that the decrypting app isn't sending your data elsewhere?
- yread 4y agoI hate Teams as much as the next guy but markers to see which people spoke when in the recording sound cool. It's also something that would have been possible to make even in the 90s (teams knows which microphone was active so no need for AI) so hopefully they won't mess it up
- SilverBirch 4y agoBit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. This press release really takes a while to get to the detail, but actually I think some this is great. The automated minutes are great feature, I know it's not going to be perfect but it'll pick up most of the heavy lifting which is kind of brilliant because it's always a PITA to be the notes taker. It doesn't even need to be particularly good, if I can just say "GPT Action Item:Blah" as part of our conversation in the meeting and it'll do the notes for me that's pretty cool. The summary and time markers I'm less bothered about, since it kind of assumes you'll record the meeting and come back and search through it, which I guess does sometimes happen, but not too often. It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. When the whole Crypto/Web3 boom was going on there was this constant question of "Yeah, but what actual use case are you solving". I think it's much easier to see an answer to that with ChatGPT style tech.
- PoignardAzur 4y agoYeah, there some good features in there. I've wanted automated summaries of meetings for a long time.
- deng 4y ago> Bit disappointed at the level of discussion here, 90% of the comments are generic bitching about Teams. Because MS really needs to get their priorities straight. What good are AI meeting notes if the absolute basics of a VC/Chat software don't work properly? Just from the past few days, I've had - Chat messages turning up hours later, or are not shown as new and I see them later by accident - Images in chats are not loading - In VC, I can't see people who have joined the meeting after me - Status is stuck on "away" although I'm working with Teams - Having to set up my audio/video setting for each new meeting again Maybe fix these things first before working on AI meeting notes? But the fact is: many companies only use Teams because they have an Office365 subscription anyway and don't want to spend $$$ on an actually good VC/Chat solution. So yes, sorry, but it's really, really hard to get excited about AI meeting notes in Teams. > It's quite exciting that we're getting some proper applications of the technology that make sense. The technology already makes sense, in the form of ChatGPT. I use it every day.
- infrawhispers 4y agoI really wonder what’s happening at all the video/audio call intelligence startups that raised over the last few years [1][2][3]. I would pay to be a fly on the wall during their strategy meetings this morning. I guess another footnote in the history books for Microsoft decimating a recently emerged biz niche. [1] Airgram - https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/otter-ai-airgram-transcribe-video-calls/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/otter-ai-airgram-transcrib... [2] OtterAI - https://venturebeat.com/business/otter-ai-raises-50-million-for-its-ai-transcription-service/amp/ https://venturebeat.com/business/otter-ai-raises-50-million-... [3] Supernormal - https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/25/supernormal-raises-10m-to-automatically-transcribe-and-summarize-meetings/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/25/supernormal-raises-10m-to-...
- bradwood 4y ago2 questions: - Is it still electron-based? - Is the Linux version (assuming it even exists) still a 2nd class citizen?
- kornhole 4y agoWhy is it not a security concern to more companies that Microsoft is watching and recording all their meetings? I guess it is like selling on Amazon: You are fine until when Amazon wants to capitalize on your data or your entire business.
- cuteboy19 4y agoMy organisation sends a backup zoom link because teams is so terrible. Who knows why they even stick with teams default