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Sam Bankman-Fried accused of possible witness tampering [pdf]
- gillesjacobs 4y ago> “I would really love to reconnect and see if there’s a way for us to have a constructive relationship, use each other as resources when possible, or at least vet things with each other.” Sending that to a witness using Signal's disappearing messages does sound like tampering. Here's hoping he gets more strict bond limitations and an obstruction conviction for this, he earned it.
- PedroBatista 4y agoHey hey now.. Remember! He’s just schluby kid who tried to make the World a better place and things got out of control.. Just a naive kid..
- MengerSponge 4y ago[flagged]
- emsy 4y agoThere‘s a famous black person that got away with murder. How did he do it? Here’s a hint: the crucial element isn’t skin color.
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- twright 4y agoA very stacked legal team, some good acting, and an overconfident prosecutor?
- voisin 4y agoMassive fame in two areas popular in the public imagination didn’t hurt either.
- willcipriano 4y agoThe police conspiring to frame him was the reason OJ walked free. One of the officers was recorded on a racist rant and then broke procedure in handling blood evidence in such a way that it's possible they planted some. Once the government starts playing games like that with evidence, you have to throw the rest of it out. No evidence == no conviction.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoMust have been his insider knowledge about how police operations worked after co-starring in Naked Gun
- cuteboy19 4y agoI thought about someone who didn't have the cultural context to know who this was. They might ask search engines Google: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_McCollum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_McCollum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Terre%27Blanche https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Terre%27Blanche ChatGPT I'm sorry, but I cannot provide information about a specific person that you claim "got away with murder." The assertion that someone has "gotten away with murder" is a serious charge and should be supported by credible evidence. Accusations of criminal behavior should not be made without evidence, as they can harm an individual's reputation and be damaging to their personal and professional lives.
- maest 4y agoFor people still wondering, the GP is talking about OJ Simpson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_trial_of_O._J._Simpson
- jaywalk 4y agoThe glove didn't fit, so the jury had no choice but to acquit.
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- sabayapitman 4y ago[flagged]
- auctoritas 4y agoOthers are saying he's being treated with kid gloves because he's Jewish. I hope you'd find that objectionable. It's just as bad as what you're doing here.
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- 55555 4y agoPart of SBF's defense is that he also sent the exact same message at the same time by email. If true, then he's just super delusional. If false, yeah, it sounds a lot like tampering.
- madeofpalk 4y agoMaybe both?
- scaredginger 4y agoIs his strategy to appear stupid beyond malice?
- gitfan86 4y ago[flagged]
- capableweb 4y agoNot sure how a persons view of drugs, monogamy and if he has a liberal education or not ties into the rest of what you say.
- Laaas 4y agoIt doesn't. Seemingly it's hard to keep yourself to the truth when shitting on SBF.
- gitfan86 4y agoSociety in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.
- haswell 4y agoThe existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
- helsinkiandrew 4y ago> Sending that to a witness using Signal's disappearing messages does sound like tampering And incompetent - isn't it better practice to ask a mutual friend/colleague/third party to do the tampering for you so you can get plausible denial? "I bumped into Sam last week - he was upset that his relationship with you might be ending"
- KingOfCoders 4y agoAs a CEO once said to me "Don't send me messages, call me".
- refurb 4y agoWe actually had a training session at my corporation that was basically "stop sending emails and making permanent records about sensitive topics". “Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink, never wink if you can do nothing.”
- jeffwask 4y agoDo you work for Nestle?
- GLGirty 4y agoThey didn't even wink...
- galleywest200 4y agoUnless you are working in a literal Top Secret government agency, and even then, this request from management is "extremely sketchy" at best.
- bhouston 4y ago100%, something sketchy is going on there. Someone is probably getting screwed over via illegal behavior and they don't want records.
- Laaas 4y agoHe wasn't using that functionality according to https://ia801508.us.archive.org/25/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.590940/gov.uscourts.nysd.590940.51.0.pdf https://ia801508.us.archive.org/25/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.5... (in addition to sending it over e-mail)
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- pjmorris 4y agoI've been reading 'The Path To Power', the first volume of Robert Caro's biography of Lyndon Johnson. While in college, LBJ developed what sounds to me like a comparable bag of tricks to influence student government outcomes through private channels.
- jeffwask 4y agoTo be fair Donald Trump really lowered the bar for witness tampering and walked away without any punishment.
- AzzieElbab 4y agoSo he is breaching his bail terms, right? Right? ASCII art star wars princess
- jjtheblunt 4y agomight it sound like purposeful behavior so his lawyers can claim insanity, since it's self incriminating?
- schizo89 4y agoWhy would one use digital communication assuming 24/7 monitoring? Just send regular mail and keep intentions between the lines.
- pictur 4y agothis guy is much smarter than mentioned on the internet i'm convinced of that lol
- api 4y agoI’m sure he’s highly intelligent. I’ve met tons of absolutely brilliant idiots in my life. They’re like horrible drivers in really high performance cars.
- braingenious 4y agoWatching somebody make the stupidest available choice every time in every circumstance and concluding that I must be witnessing a genius; getting a tattoo of my idol: Wile E. Coyote, the ultimate master of cognition.
- danabrams 4y agoWile E. Coyote’s problem was that he was too smart for his own good. His plans were intricate and too clever-by-half, they needed weeks of planning and sophisticated, usually untested equipment.
- koolba 4y agoHaving your prey defy gravity while you plunge to your doom off a cliff doesn’t help either. I guess the SBF analogy would be something about other shitcoins staying afloat during a wider crash.
- ourmandave 4y agoTo be fair, most of his equipment was under recall before it even shipped from the Acme factory.
- braingenious 4y agoWile E. Coyote was a dumbass. That is the premise of the cartoon.
- jtode 4y agoThis is the 2023 version of a geek show.
- cuteboy19 4y agoI would resub to Netflix if they make it into a series. Not if it will be a movie though
- vr46 4y agoI thought Trump was a lawyer's nightmare client, and SBF is like, waitup hold all my beers. He's like a walking McSweeney's article.
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- PedroBatista 4y agoHe’s the typical guy with the deep rooted belief that laws do not apply to him and are there to be exploited in order to give him an advantage. Also people are nothing more than pawns. He even exploits his own image to present himself as non-threatening almost incel kid at the bottom of the social pyramid - which is comical when you learn about who he is.
- 55555 4y agoHe's not an "almost incel"? Sure seems like it. Did he spend a lot of money on hookers or something?
- piva00 4y agoNo, he spent a lot of time having orgies fueled by amphetamines with "work" colleagues.
- pharmakom 4y agoThe amphetamines were confirmed but no sources for that claim
- smcl 4y agoSo "incel" is often interpreted a couple of different ways, you could be referring to either: - The literal definition - "involuntary celebate" - that he didn't have any sexual partners despite wanting to. There was a fairly widely reported story of him and a few of the FTX guys being part of a polycule. No real way for us to prove anything around this, so take from that what you will. This leaves us with... - The vibe of an incel - a socially awkward, introverted, depressed NEET. He doesn't really fit this either, he seemed comfortable talking, wasn't obviously troubled (a little twitchy, but he did a lot of "self-medication" so ...), he had a real job @ Jane Street for a few years before FTX. I don't really think "incel" or even "almost incel" is the right term for him.
- LatteLazy 4y agoAgain one has to wonder if he is trying for a "too incompetent to stand trial / be guilty" defence...
- notahacker 4y agoIf that's what he's aiming for, it's even dumber than if he thinks he's mounting a straight defence "Too arrogant and rash to play by the rules" is a case for the prosecution, not the defence. People get ruled mentally unfit to stand trial because they can't string sentences together or have the sort of verifiable mental health condition that'll see them institutionalised anyway, not because they're running round breaking other rules Same goes for the my client's background is in trading where in some markets losses are inevitable, and he deeply regrets not having more oversight and understanding of the compliance issues he paid other people to handle defence being a lot more persuasive to a jury if he's not blogging about how the bankruptcy team should have handed the company back to him so he could win all the money back...
- Sebb767 4y ago> People get ruled mentally unfit to stand trial because they can't string sentences together or have the sort of verifiable mental health condition that'll see them institutionalised anyway, not because they're running round breaking other rules Also, they'll likely be away for longer in the end and mental asylums for the criminals are really not that great of a place to be, either.
- shapefrog 4y agoThese sorts of actions are making me think he doesnt have millions hidden and stashed away and we are seeing the desperate actions of someone who was worth 10's of billions and now has literally nothing.
- LatteLazy 4y agoI really wonder with Juries. How many jurors just get confused and rely on "I think he seems honest and confused" rather than evidence and laws...
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- trollied 4y agoHe needs putting in prison until his trial, for his own good. Or stricter bail condistions (no internet/phone access)
- credit_guy 4y agoYou can take the internet from him, but you can't take his shovel. And if you take his shovel, he'll dig that hole with his fingernails.
- art0rz 4y agoMostly to protect himself from doing more dumb things.
- jcampbell1 4y agoThis seems like a reach by the government. He is currently innocent and has the right to prepare a defense. Claiming that everyone other than immediate family is a potential witness seems like a stretch, the kind that ends up with a mistrial.
- detaro 4y ago"his (former) employees" is not "everyone". The argument that employees, especially those he would have direct contact with, also are likely candidates to be witnesses doesn't seem that odd?
- jcampbell1 4y agoIt is everyone he knew relevant to proving his innocence. Is he allowed a defense at all, or should this just be done Chinese style?
- detaro 4y agoHow is "you need to involve legal counsel and keep conversations on the record if you want to talk to people to prepare your defense" the "chinese style"? And if he needs company records etc, he can request them without privately messaging former employees.
- jcampbell1 4y agoWhose council needs to be cc’d on the communications? How do you contact people other than WhatsApp or Signal when people are all international and had their email accounts cancelled.
- detaro 4y agoIs "I only have their phone numbers, how could someone who is not me ever find a way of contacting them" a serious question?
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- Havoc 4y agoDoes it even matter? The guy is done
- shapefrog 4y agoHonestly if their case depends on "he said, she said" testimony then SBF is going to be found not guilty. I personally applauded the "soft" msm interviews with SBF as everything he does when given free reign, including these messages only makes things worse for him. They would be better placed letting him attempt witness tampering and who knows where it might lead.
- dbuder 4y agoThis is why he should never have been given bail - a sophisticated schemer that has an answer for everything and never gives up At least we might yet find out who paid said bail cough marc cough
- gazpachotron 4y ago[dead]
- avgcorrection 4y agoMove fast and break evidence.
- shapefrog 4y agoHe has the sigma crime-set
- MagicMoonlight 4y agoWhy the fuck is he still bailed if he is witness tampering. That should be an instant recall.
- HideousKojima 4y agoBail rules can be surprisingly lenient. I watch a cop channel on YouTube from time to time, and at the end of the video they'll often state what charges the person in the video faced. You'd be surprised how often someone who has already jumped bail 5 or 6 times gets bail on a $500 signature bond or something along those lines.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoperhaps the prosecution gets to further amass damning evidence by letting him misbehave while on bail?
- belter 4y agoThis gentleman is playing another game. And it's one of the bored elites. How much outrageous $^^#&$#&^ can I get away with, before a court lands me in jail. So far he is winning 5-0 if we talk soccer terms.
- bobobob420 4y agoI don't care what anyone says. This guy is actually dumb.
- iancmceachern 4y agoThis just in - SBF is a crook.