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Show HN: Signal-Android – A fork of Signal that provides SMS support

65 points by ryukoposting 4y ago

Signal was a brilliant app. It can send messages with rich media, host group chats, and even do voice and video calls, all with the peace of mind that comes from a proper secure messaging app. The best part was that you could still send messages to people who don't use Signal. Signal was the messaging app everyone wants - all the benefits of iMessage, without being siloed in one particular ecosystem. Sometime leading up to October of 2022, the folks at the Signal foundation lost the plot. Signal has since dropped support for SMS, and is inexplicably adding "stories" to their personal messaging app. I despise this. Instead of just complaining about it, I decided to do something about it. Here is a link to a version of the Signal Android app that still supports SMS, and doesn't have stories. There also isn't a stupid, nagging banner telling you to update. Right now, it's just Signal 5.38 with a couple lines commented out, but I plan to integrate any upstream security/UX improvements in the near future. For now, you'll have to build/install it yourself, but I will eventually put an APK out there for people to download. Enjoy!

palata 4y ago
Settings > Stories > Turn off stories. Done. As per SMS, I am fine using a separate app, and I understand that it may be harder than it seems to properly support SMS. I know some people really want SMS in Signal though.
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  How long until you have to turn the story mode off on every update? Microsoft does it. The IOS version of signal has no option to permanently turn off notifications. So you say no, and the app reminds you asking if you wish to turn on notifications every x app launches. Why is this so difficult to implement? If your asking me, then reminding me that I'll be asked again. Surely it's just a matter of adding a UI toggle with switch case of "if user says no, stay no". Thats my only gripe with signal.
  - climb_stealth 4y ago
    I'm glad you mention a specific example. I was going to say that all the nagging notifications can be turned off and they don't come back. And that I'm not worried about that regardless of whether Microsoft does it. But I'm running Signal on Android and it seems like that makes a difference.
  - palata 4y ago
    Did you have a look at the codebase? Is it on purpose or is it a bug?
    - doublerabbit 4y ago
      On purpose. A message box after selecting "No" as an option displays with a message of "We will remind you later".
      - palata 4y ago
        Right. Yeah it would be nice to let you choose, I agree.
- landemva 4y ago
  I hadn't bothered to look if stories could be turned off. Thanks! If you have another moment for tech support, how to turn off picture metadata stripping? When I send a picture I know who I send it to and I want the GPS in there.
  - palata 4y ago
    I don't know that this is possible. That's a security feature, and I can understand that they may not want to compromise (too much) on security. But yeah it means that sometimes it's limiting features. Everything is a tradeoff!
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  > Settings > Stories > Turn off stories. Done. I wouldn't know. I turned off updates for Signal before they removed SMS support, and then when my version of the app "expired" (i.e. bricked itself by checking a build timestamp) I made this.
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sinistersnare 4y ago
I appreciate your effort! I was loathe to leave Signal, but I can't support them after all of the dumb stuff they've been doing. They also added some sort of crypto a couple years ago? The default android messenger is good enough I guess.
barbazoo 4y ago
> I will eventually put an APK out there for people to download That defeats the purpose of Signal I would say
- Defletter 4y ago
  How so?
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    Running your secure and private messenger from a build made by a person on the internet you don't know you can trust.
- petodo 4y ago
  here you can download APK since he doesn't provide one https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android
barbazoo 4y ago
> Signal Android (but less sucky) Interesting how upset people got about all this. I just use the Android SMS app just like I would if I wasn't on Signal at all and I'll ignore stories because they're not important to me.
- sodality2 4y ago
  A lot of people, me included, are upset because now all of the SMS message history within Signal is locked inside Signal, and it doesn't seem to transfer to the default app.
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    That sucks because it did export messages for me. Or maybe they explained how to do it but it couldn't have been much work because otherwise I wouldn't have done it.
  - growse 4y ago
    > A lot of people, me included, are upset because now all of the SMS message history within Signal is locked inside Signal, and it doesn't seem to transfer to the default app. I seem to remember there was a button to export SMS history when disabling Signal as the default SMS app?
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      That's right.
NayamAmarshe 4y ago
I think it's against their policies to create third party clients unlike Telegram? IIRC, Moxie disliked the idea of modified clients.
- arafatamim 4y ago
  Molly is a hardened Signal fork without the crypto stuff
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    Oh cool, reproducible builds without GCM. The only flaw is this: > you cannot use the same phone number on both apps at the same time. Only the last app to register will remain active, and the other will go offline
- gwillen 4y ago
  Moxie has made his decision; now let him enforce it.
- 4bpp 4y ago
  Well, part of the point of the GPL (under which the official client is licensed) is that you can't really prevent people from doing that. Of course the party operating the servers has the discretion to ban users of modified clients on sight, but recognising those users may be difficult. The GPL forces them to provide sources with any new release of the official client, and barring some sort of endpoint integrity attestation in the spirit of DRM systems in games (which a far larger segment of their target group than those who would use unofficial clients would reject) they could not distinguish a patched build whose behaviour on the network is the same as the official client from their own. I think any "homesteading the noosphere"-style arguments that grant Moxie moral rights to control the use of the software that go beyond his contractual rights are rendered much less compelling by the presence of network effects. To interface with Moxie's captive userbase, you can't avoid trespassing on his homestead.
  - akerl_ 4y ago
timmit 4y ago
I like the idea, it will be good to have the SMS back and has Signal as only one message app.
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hacker_junky 4y ago
Wow, that sounds great! What led you to make these changes to the Signal Android app? How can others join you in these efforts?
- capableweb 4y ago
  Seems like they wrote exactly why? > Sometime leading up to October of 2022, the folks at the Signal foundation lost the plot. Signal has since dropped support for SMS, and is inexplicably adding "stories" to their personal messaging app. I despise this. > Instead of just complaining about it, I decided to do something about it. True hackers :) Thank you
matxip 4y ago
I really did loath the removal of SMS. It went like this for me: I would set up non-techie family with signal and that would be SMS and secure messaging for them. Then Signal removed SMS, so I had to explain to them that I had actually set them up with something "unstable" and needed to change their apps around. As a consequence, they're more hesitant to try things I suggest and I can't blame them. As for the actual messaging, inevitably they'll forget to juggle apps and just default to SMS and there's only so much I can go against the stream here. This is cool, but I think being the default in the mainline app is critical. Also, iirc signal doesn't like modified apps, so this might be on shaky ground.
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  The key here is that this isn't really a "third party app," per se. It's all their code. All I did was replace this: return getBoolean(CLIENT_DEPRECATED, false); With return false; I also updated a dependency on libsignal.
rbut 4y ago
For now I have simply locked my Signal version in Aurora and F-droid to 6.2.3, by disabling updates for Signal. Not sure how long it will last, but if it helps anybody else until a fork like this one becomes the mainstream solution.
- public_defender 4y ago
  I'm on 6.8.3 and still using it as my default SMS app. Everyone in this thread is acting like SMS is already disabled. What am I missing?
  - BeefWellington 4y ago
    It's not already disabled, but it will be happening. From the horse's mouth: https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/ https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/ Having an alternative that isn't taking this step released before they actually do that change over seems prudent.
  - rbut 4y ago
    You're only an automatic update away from losing it. Hence why I suggested locking the version now until you find out what the last version with SMS support was, before transitioning to a fork.
  - ryukoposting 4y ago
    As soon as I got that warning about losing SMS support, I disabled updates. That was months ago. For the sake of getting this thing put together quickly, I forked from the latest version that was compatible with the version that was on my phone when I disabled updates. That will be rectified in due time, but I'm pretty busy with life right now.
- monetus 4y ago
  The signal protocol keeps old versions from being used I think, so in like 9 months iirc your version won't be able to send/receive
ehPReth 4y ago
why is everyone so anti-stories? I really don't understand
- hadlock 4y ago
  I don't want social media crap in my messaging app. I use it for work and business notifications. When I want to waste time I have other apps for that sort of thing.
  - WithinReason 4y ago
    Have you even seen a single Signal story?
- joshspankit 4y ago
  It’s a canary in the coalmine. Stories shows a shift away from a singular focus on security and towards being a copy of everything else. As well, many of us have seen good services die because they started to try to be like everyone else.
mlindner 4y ago
> Sometime leading up to October of 2022, the folks at the Signal foundation lost the plot. Signal has since dropped support for SMS, and is inexplicably adding "stories" to their personal messaging app. I despise this. On iPhone Signal never support SMS in the first place. Just sounds like they're smartly keeping it consistent that all messages are secure rather than intermixing non-secure and secure messaging, which was a dumb idea from the get go.
- chungy 4y ago
  Couldn't disagree more. Having a singular app handle all messaging was brilliant and a key feature to bring people over. Apple disallowing competition isn't a good reason to remove something useful for Android users.
  - growse 4y ago
    > Couldn't disagree more. Having a singular app handle all messaging was brilliant and a key feature to bring people over. > Apple disallowing competition isn't a good reason to remove something useful for Android users. Nice in theory, but RCS breaks everything here. You send someone at SMS in Signal, they reply but their client "upgrades" it to RCS. Signal never receives the reply (because the RCS android API is private), and now everyone blames Signal for "dropping messages".
  - mlindner 4y ago
    But why does putting all your messaging in a single app help bring people over? People have always juggled multiple messaging clients since forever ago. I personally use 4 different ones at the moment (Signal, Messages(SMS+iMessage), LINE, and Snapchat) and lots of other people I know also use WhatsApp, Messenger, or one of the various Chinese messaging apps. I don't think I know anyone who uses just a single messaging app.
- monetus 4y ago
  "dumb idea from the get go." You could potentially send an unencrypted msg if you fat fingered the send button into a long press, a swipe, and then another tap. Otherwise, people messaging you would just find themselves silently upgraded to encrypted messenging, because it was the default already on both phones. It was a boon for security overall, but allowed a.. Not a pitfall so much as a pit climb that could be a security let down. The silent upgrade of everyday messages broadened signal from that platform people use to talk about black market stuff to that platform people use to text.
mlindner 4y ago
This is a bad feature to have in Signal as it causes confusion which messages are securely encrypted and which are just being sent in effective cleartext over the carriers networks as SMS has no real encryption. Keep SMS in the system Messages apps of the phone.
- Defletter 4y ago
  Isn't that solvable by doing something similar to iMessage and colouring SMS and Signal messages differently?
  - chungy 4y ago
    How about the lock/unlock icon that was already there?
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  It's not confusing at all to tell which messages are encrypted and which are sms. I don't like the default sms app and have been using Signal for all my texting for as long as I've had a smartphone, back when it was TextSecure.
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  I have never been confused by this.
- swap77 4y ago
  Never confused about lock or unlock - Signal is trying to see how many users they have, who will flock to them as "the" secure msg app - they will quickly see a majority of their users drop, we all have more NOT using signal than are So everyone using 2 apps, losing texts, confused about splitting up permissions, apps confused/not allowing for split SMS delivery (as experienced all over reddit) - they have caused a mess in the name of purity and you reap what you sow, an app nobody uses because they have 3 contacts on signal and 100 on xyz replacement
handedness 4y ago
I couldn't agree more, and I love to see this kind of a response to their change in focus. Here's another fork doing something similar: https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android/releases https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android/releases
e12e 4y ago
Do the upstream Signal servers allow third party clients now, or does this need separate infrastructure for the signal part (to be compliant and/or avoid an account ban)?
- jonas-w 4y ago
  I don't know if they are technically allowed but https://molly.im https://molly.im exists.
cowmix 4y ago
If your fork takes off, I (and others) would love to help contribute. Things like ChromeOS/Android table support (which many forks have added in the past) and being able to use an Android phone/tablet as a link device would be great.
- petodo 4y ago
  there is already Singal fork with no APK expire whrere you can keep using SMS as long as you want https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  These are intriguing ideas, but I can't guarantee that will happen. I'm a firmware engineer by trade, but I know enough Android stuff to do basic things.
monetus 4y ago
Can anyone point me to or tell me how the signal servers work? This fork will use the signal foundation servers, and face all that that entails right?
jeroenhd 4y ago
Edit: looks like Signal isn't disabling SMS support yet. I guess I can put off uninstalling it for a few months longer. I'm confused. I have Signal installed and set as my default SMS app and it still works perfectly fine. Is this something specific to my device or is there something keeping the "disabled" feature alive? Am I going to get an update that will break my SMS messages? My app reports version 6.8.3.
- climb_stealth 4y ago
  SMS still works currently. But on my version 6.9.1 it shows a nag message at the bottom that SMS support is going to go away at some point. With an offer to export the SMS to the phone database. It is also not possible to enable SMS support again from the Signal options itself. Though it can still be set from the Android settings. I presume it will actually stop being supported completely in a future update. I wouldn't think the feature requires any support from the Signal servers, so I reckon you would be able to use it for as long as the app still works. In the end I accepted this turn to the worse and exported my SMS history and switched to Silence. Turns out I don't actually use SMS much. Mostly just for delivery notifications.
kornhole 4y ago
Some people want Signal to do SMS, but it was using the phone number associated with the SIM card. We should only use SIM cards for data and never for OTA calls or SMS. jmp.chat, voip.ms, and other VOIP services can be used for calls and SMS at low cost to improve security. Of course I use anonymous prepaid cards and only away from house.
smlavine 4y ago
An advantage I found of signal having SMS support just a few days ago was when I met a new person and went to text them to confirm the numbers. I texted him, he texted back, and as it happened we both have Signal, so it was encrypted. If/when Signal removes SMS support, this sort of automatic, frictionless, natural discovery will not happen. Less people will use encrypted messaging because it relies on more people caring about encrypted messaging. Not going to happen, unfortunately, because nobody wants to be the weirdo who asks to use a special app.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Unlike the normies, who ask for each other's Insta? Don't get me wrong, losing SMS support is the wrong direction, imo, but its just a different platform, no need to get so judgemental about who uses it.
  - simfree 4y ago
    Casual discovery is so much easier than having a conversation about what platform you would prefer to use followed by trading unique ids from said platform.
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  I have had the same experience on multiple occasions, and it's one of the reasons I made this fork.
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
Uhhh, I can still send SMS messages. I just sent a text a couple minutes ago on version 6.8.3
petodo 4y ago
You could save yourself work and just link Johann's fork with no APK expire https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android Personally I just uninstalled the fork yesterday and just switched to default Lineage messaging app to receive SMS messages (and rarely write some) and for the rest I'm using Whatsapp, since only like 4 of my contacts were on Signal anyway (and I talk rarely only with 1 of them). But I'm always looking for E2E messaging app with SMS support as backup option for Whatsapp (and pls no Facebook/Google/Microsoft product, I'm aware they all have something like that).
dTal 4y ago
There's also Silence, which is a fork of Signal from back when it used to be TextSecure. It only does SMS, and it actually encrypts it. I get the appeal of having one app that does it all, but Signal hasn't been that app for a long time anyway. Silence is a more sustainable and secure option than using an old version of Signal with deprecation checks commented out. https://silence.im/ https://silence.im/
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swap77 4y ago
Here is a list of Signal Forks with server, GPlay/FDroid, information - https://community.signalusers.org/t/list-of-unofficial-forks-and-patches/11629 https://community.signalusers.org/t/list-of-unofficial-forks... some use GPlay for msgs and some do not, APK download on wiki page :)
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65 points by ryukoposting 4y ago

palata 4y ago

Settings > Stories > Turn off stories. Done. As per SMS, I am fine using a separate app, and I understand that it may be harder than it seems to properly support SMS. I know some people really want SMS in Signal though.

doublerabbit 4y ago
How long until you have to turn the story mode off on every update? Microsoft does it. The IOS version of signal has no option to permanently turn off notifications. So you say no, and the app reminds you asking if you wish to turn on notifications every x app launches. Why is this so difficult to implement? If your asking me, then reminding me that I'll be asked again. Surely it's just a matter of adding a UI toggle with switch case of "if user says no, stay no". Thats my only gripe with signal.
- climb_stealth 4y ago
  I'm glad you mention a specific example. I was going to say that all the nagging notifications can be turned off and they don't come back. And that I'm not worried about that regardless of whether Microsoft does it. But I'm running Signal on Android and it seems like that makes a difference.
- palata 4y ago
  Did you have a look at the codebase? Is it on purpose or is it a bug?
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    On purpose. A message box after selecting "No" as an option displays with a message of "We will remind you later".
    - palata 4y ago
      Right. Yeah it would be nice to let you choose, I agree.
landemva 4y ago
I hadn't bothered to look if stories could be turned off. Thanks! If you have another moment for tech support, how to turn off picture metadata stripping? When I send a picture I know who I send it to and I want the GPS in there.
- palata 4y ago
  I don't know that this is possible. That's a security feature, and I can understand that they may not want to compromise (too much) on security. But yeah it means that sometimes it's limiting features. Everything is a tradeoff!
ryukoposting 4y ago
> Settings > Stories > Turn off stories. Done. I wouldn't know. I turned off updates for Signal before they removed SMS support, and then when my version of the app "expired" (i.e. bricked itself by checking a build timestamp) I made this.

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sinistersnare 4y ago

I appreciate your effort! I was loathe to leave Signal, but I can't support them after all of the dumb stuff they've been doing. They also added some sort of crypto a couple years ago? The default android messenger is good enough I guess.

barbazoo 4y ago

> I will eventually put an APK out there for people to download That defeats the purpose of Signal I would say

Defletter 4y ago
How so?
- barbazoo 4y ago
  Running your secure and private messenger from a build made by a person on the internet you don't know you can trust.
petodo 4y ago
here you can download APK since he doesn't provide one https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android

barbazoo 4y ago

> Signal Android (but less sucky) Interesting how upset people got about all this. I just use the Android SMS app just like I would if I wasn't on Signal at all and I'll ignore stories because they're not important to me.

sodality2 4y ago
A lot of people, me included, are upset because now all of the SMS message history within Signal is locked inside Signal, and it doesn't seem to transfer to the default app.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  That sucks because it did export messages for me. Or maybe they explained how to do it but it couldn't have been much work because otherwise I wouldn't have done it.
- growse 4y ago
  > A lot of people, me included, are upset because now all of the SMS message history within Signal is locked inside Signal, and it doesn't seem to transfer to the default app. I seem to remember there was a button to export SMS history when disabling Signal as the default SMS app?
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    That's right.

NayamAmarshe 4y ago

I think it's against their policies to create third party clients unlike Telegram? IIRC, Moxie disliked the idea of modified clients.

arafatamim 4y ago
Molly is a hardened Signal fork without the crypto stuff
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  Oh cool, reproducible builds without GCM. The only flaw is this: > you cannot use the same phone number on both apps at the same time. Only the last app to register will remain active, and the other will go offline
gwillen 4y ago
Moxie has made his decision; now let him enforce it.
4bpp 4y ago
Well, part of the point of the GPL (under which the official client is licensed) is that you can't really prevent people from doing that. Of course the party operating the servers has the discretion to ban users of modified clients on sight, but recognising those users may be difficult. The GPL forces them to provide sources with any new release of the official client, and barring some sort of endpoint integrity attestation in the spirit of DRM systems in games (which a far larger segment of their target group than those who would use unofficial clients would reject) they could not distinguish a patched build whose behaviour on the network is the same as the official client from their own. I think any "homesteading the noosphere"-style arguments that grant Moxie moral rights to control the use of the software that go beyond his contractual rights are rendered much less compelling by the presence of network effects. To interface with Moxie's captive userbase, you can't avoid trespassing on his homestead.
- akerl_ 4y ago

timmit 4y ago

I like the idea, it will be good to have the SMS back and has Signal as only one message app.

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hacker_junky 4y ago

Wow, that sounds great! What led you to make these changes to the Signal Android app? How can others join you in these efforts?

capableweb 4y ago
Seems like they wrote exactly why? > Sometime leading up to October of 2022, the folks at the Signal foundation lost the plot. Signal has since dropped support for SMS, and is inexplicably adding "stories" to their personal messaging app. I despise this. > Instead of just complaining about it, I decided to do something about it. True hackers :) Thank you

matxip 4y ago

I really did loath the removal of SMS. It went like this for me: I would set up non-techie family with signal and that would be SMS and secure messaging for them. Then Signal removed SMS, so I had to explain to them that I had actually set them up with something "unstable" and needed to change their apps around. As a consequence, they're more hesitant to try things I suggest and I can't blame them. As for the actual messaging, inevitably they'll forget to juggle apps and just default to SMS and there's only so much I can go against the stream here. This is cool, but I think being the default in the mainline app is critical. Also, iirc signal doesn't like modified apps, so this might be on shaky ground.

ryukoposting 4y ago
The key here is that this isn't really a "third party app," per se. It's all their code. All I did was replace this: return getBoolean(CLIENT_DEPRECATED, false); With return false; I also updated a dependency on libsignal.

rbut 4y ago

For now I have simply locked my Signal version in Aurora and F-droid to 6.2.3, by disabling updates for Signal. Not sure how long it will last, but if it helps anybody else until a fork like this one becomes the mainstream solution.

public_defender 4y ago
I'm on 6.8.3 and still using it as my default SMS app. Everyone in this thread is acting like SMS is already disabled. What am I missing?
- BeefWellington 4y ago
  It's not already disabled, but it will be happening. From the horse's mouth: https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/ https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/ Having an alternative that isn't taking this step released before they actually do that change over seems prudent.
- rbut 4y ago
  You're only an automatic update away from losing it. Hence why I suggested locking the version now until you find out what the last version with SMS support was, before transitioning to a fork.
- ryukoposting 4y ago
  As soon as I got that warning about losing SMS support, I disabled updates. That was months ago. For the sake of getting this thing put together quickly, I forked from the latest version that was compatible with the version that was on my phone when I disabled updates. That will be rectified in due time, but I'm pretty busy with life right now.
monetus 4y ago
The signal protocol keeps old versions from being used I think, so in like 9 months iirc your version won't be able to send/receive

ehPReth 4y ago

why is everyone so anti-stories? I really don't understand

hadlock 4y ago
I don't want social media crap in my messaging app. I use it for work and business notifications. When I want to waste time I have other apps for that sort of thing.
- WithinReason 4y ago
  Have you even seen a single Signal story?
joshspankit 4y ago
It’s a canary in the coalmine. Stories shows a shift away from a singular focus on security and towards being a copy of everything else. As well, many of us have seen good services die because they started to try to be like everyone else.

mlindner 4y ago

> Sometime leading up to October of 2022, the folks at the Signal foundation lost the plot. Signal has since dropped support for SMS, and is inexplicably adding "stories" to their personal messaging app. I despise this. On iPhone Signal never support SMS in the first place. Just sounds like they're smartly keeping it consistent that all messages are secure rather than intermixing non-secure and secure messaging, which was a dumb idea from the get go.

chungy 4y ago
Couldn't disagree more. Having a singular app handle all messaging was brilliant and a key feature to bring people over. Apple disallowing competition isn't a good reason to remove something useful for Android users.
- growse 4y ago
  > Couldn't disagree more. Having a singular app handle all messaging was brilliant and a key feature to bring people over. > Apple disallowing competition isn't a good reason to remove something useful for Android users. Nice in theory, but RCS breaks everything here. You send someone at SMS in Signal, they reply but their client "upgrades" it to RCS. Signal never receives the reply (because the RCS android API is private), and now everyone blames Signal for "dropping messages".
- mlindner 4y ago
  But why does putting all your messaging in a single app help bring people over? People have always juggled multiple messaging clients since forever ago. I personally use 4 different ones at the moment (Signal, Messages(SMS+iMessage), LINE, and Snapchat) and lots of other people I know also use WhatsApp, Messenger, or one of the various Chinese messaging apps. I don't think I know anyone who uses just a single messaging app.
monetus 4y ago
"dumb idea from the get go." You could potentially send an unencrypted msg if you fat fingered the send button into a long press, a swipe, and then another tap. Otherwise, people messaging you would just find themselves silently upgraded to encrypted messenging, because it was the default already on both phones. It was a boon for security overall, but allowed a.. Not a pitfall so much as a pit climb that could be a security let down. The silent upgrade of everyday messages broadened signal from that platform people use to talk about black market stuff to that platform people use to text.

mlindner 4y ago

This is a bad feature to have in Signal as it causes confusion which messages are securely encrypted and which are just being sent in effective cleartext over the carriers networks as SMS has no real encryption. Keep SMS in the system Messages apps of the phone.

Defletter 4y ago
Isn't that solvable by doing something similar to iMessage and colouring SMS and Signal messages differently?
- chungy 4y ago
  How about the lock/unlock icon that was already there?
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
It's not confusing at all to tell which messages are encrypted and which are sms. I don't like the default sms app and have been using Signal for all my texting for as long as I've had a smartphone, back when it was TextSecure.
ryukoposting 4y ago
I have never been confused by this.
swap77 4y ago
Never confused about lock or unlock - Signal is trying to see how many users they have, who will flock to them as "the" secure msg app - they will quickly see a majority of their users drop, we all have more NOT using signal than are So everyone using 2 apps, losing texts, confused about splitting up permissions, apps confused/not allowing for split SMS delivery (as experienced all over reddit) - they have caused a mess in the name of purity and you reap what you sow, an app nobody uses because they have 3 contacts on signal and 100 on xyz replacement

handedness 4y ago

I couldn't agree more, and I love to see this kind of a response to their change in focus. Here's another fork doing something similar: https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android/releases https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android/releases

e12e 4y ago

Do the upstream Signal servers allow third party clients now, or does this need separate infrastructure for the signal part (to be compliant and/or avoid an account ban)?

jonas-w 4y ago
I don't know if they are technically allowed but https://molly.im https://molly.im exists.

cowmix 4y ago

If your fork takes off, I (and others) would love to help contribute. Things like ChromeOS/Android table support (which many forks have added in the past) and being able to use an Android phone/tablet as a link device would be great.

petodo 4y ago
there is already Singal fork with no APK expire whrere you can keep using SMS as long as you want https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android
ryukoposting 4y ago
These are intriguing ideas, but I can't guarantee that will happen. I'm a firmware engineer by trade, but I know enough Android stuff to do basic things.

monetus 4y ago

Can anyone point me to or tell me how the signal servers work? This fork will use the signal foundation servers, and face all that that entails right?

jeroenhd 4y ago

Edit: looks like Signal isn't disabling SMS support yet. I guess I can put off uninstalling it for a few months longer. I'm confused. I have Signal installed and set as my default SMS app and it still works perfectly fine. Is this something specific to my device or is there something keeping the "disabled" feature alive? Am I going to get an update that will break my SMS messages? My app reports version 6.8.3.

climb_stealth 4y ago
SMS still works currently. But on my version 6.9.1 it shows a nag message at the bottom that SMS support is going to go away at some point. With an offer to export the SMS to the phone database. It is also not possible to enable SMS support again from the Signal options itself. Though it can still be set from the Android settings. I presume it will actually stop being supported completely in a future update. I wouldn't think the feature requires any support from the Signal servers, so I reckon you would be able to use it for as long as the app still works. In the end I accepted this turn to the worse and exported my SMS history and switched to Silence. Turns out I don't actually use SMS much. Mostly just for delivery notifications.

kornhole 4y ago

Some people want Signal to do SMS, but it was using the phone number associated with the SIM card. We should only use SIM cards for data and never for OTA calls or SMS. jmp.chat, voip.ms, and other VOIP services can be used for calls and SMS at low cost to improve security. Of course I use anonymous prepaid cards and only away from house.

smlavine 4y ago

An advantage I found of signal having SMS support just a few days ago was when I met a new person and went to text them to confirm the numbers. I texted him, he texted back, and as it happened we both have Signal, so it was encrypted. If/when Signal removes SMS support, this sort of automatic, frictionless, natural discovery will not happen. Less people will use encrypted messaging because it relies on more people caring about encrypted messaging. Not going to happen, unfortunately, because nobody wants to be the weirdo who asks to use a special app.

fragmede 4y ago
Unlike the normies, who ask for each other's Insta? Don't get me wrong, losing SMS support is the wrong direction, imo, but its just a different platform, no need to get so judgemental about who uses it.
- simfree 4y ago
  Casual discovery is so much easier than having a conversation about what platform you would prefer to use followed by trading unique ids from said platform.
ryukoposting 4y ago
I have had the same experience on multiple occasions, and it's one of the reasons I made this fork.

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago

Uhhh, I can still send SMS messages. I just sent a text a couple minutes ago on version 6.8.3

petodo 4y ago

You could save yourself work and just link Johann's fork with no APK expire https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android https://github.com/johanw666/Signal-Android Personally I just uninstalled the fork yesterday and just switched to default Lineage messaging app to receive SMS messages (and rarely write some) and for the rest I'm using Whatsapp, since only like 4 of my contacts were on Signal anyway (and I talk rarely only with 1 of them). But I'm always looking for E2E messaging app with SMS support as backup option for Whatsapp (and pls no Facebook/Google/Microsoft product, I'm aware they all have something like that).

dTal 4y ago

There's also Silence, which is a fork of Signal from back when it used to be TextSecure. It only does SMS, and it actually encrypts it. I get the appeal of having one app that does it all, but Signal hasn't been that app for a long time anyway. Silence is a more sustainable and secure option than using an old version of Signal with deprecation checks commented out. https://silence.im/ https://silence.im/

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swap77 4y ago

Here is a list of Signal Forks with server, GPlay/FDroid, information - https://community.signalusers.org/t/list-of-unofficial-forks-and-patches/11629 https://community.signalusers.org/t/list-of-unofficial-forks... some use GPlay for msgs and some do not, APK download on wiki page :)

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