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It's interesting to see these tech influencers and their lag time on giving Elon the benefit of the doubt before they've had enough. Will Elon ever have a "comi
by halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
It's interesting to see these tech influencers and their lag time on giving Elon the benefit of the doubt before they've had enough. Will Elon ever have a "coming to jesus moment" and realize that he's alienated so many of his peers that he is, in fact, in the wrong? Or is he so delusional that he really does believe he has the answers?
- thinking4real 4y ago
- adalacelove 4y agoTerence Tao is on mastodon. Beat that!
- shadowgovt 4y agoFlip the script: what evidence do we have that he's smarter than eight billion people?
- andreygrehov 4y agoWell, when it comes to Elon vs 8B people, money could be one metric.
- kasey_junk 4y agoThat metric is taking a real beating lately.
- andreygrehov 4y agoI disagree, because it's not only Elon who is losing money these days. The economy is doing a nosedive. Everyone is affected, including Elon. It would've been a different conversation had everyone was making money, but Elon.
- insanitybit 4y agoYeah, I checked my portfolio this morning and I lost 10s of billions of dollars. This economy is killing me!
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 4y agoHenry Ford was very rich, and very stupid outside his fields of expertise. And supported antisemites along with the Nazi regime.
- pbhjpbhj 4y agoWhat stupid things did he do? (I don't know much about him) It sounds like you might be mistaking ideology with intelligence?
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 4y agoFord testified under oath that the American Revolution occurred in 1812, and Benedict Arnold was some writer. http://web.archive.org/web/20170808092345/http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/henry-ford/ http://web.archive.org/web/20170808092345/http://www.rotten....
- pbhjpbhj 4y agoThank you. Very helpful. I'm interested in how you consider Ford Motor Company became so successful; did Mr Ford play to jew-haters, was he socially adept, was he a puppet, was her just lucky? What do you think? (Give your instinct if you like.) Implicit is my search for an explanation for why Mr Ford prospered so much compared to others. Any thoughts there? Thanks in advance.
- bestcoder69 4y agoHm on the one hand we have survivorship bias, plus the fact that capital accumulates more capital near-automatically at some point, as well as his relative lack of qualms with committing fraud (that he's gotten lucky about going un/under-punished). But on the other hand, he built some impressive companies, he is the richest person in the world, and he has a lot of gumption, y'know?
- kukx 4y agoPlease explain what "smarter than eight billion people" mean? What is the smartness of eight billion people, is it some new aggregate? Do you sum it or get the mean? Are eight billion people by default always right? I am curious how it can make sense.
- insanitybit 4y agoThey're obviously talking about individuals, not a collective intelligence.
- dahdum 4y agoNot as long as Elon continues his trend of acting progressively stupider. At least to me, there’s a stark difference in his public appearances. He used to appear intelligent, thoughtful, and nuanced. Now he’s disjointed, often tired, and quick to deflect with jokes or political controversy. Doesn’t seem like the same man.
- jacquesm 4y agoI've seen people that were super intelligent and compassionate go on drug binges and come out like Musk. Just as intelligent, but now no longer able to empathize with others and using whatever intelligence was left for malice and damage.
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- JoshTko 4y agoIt's simple to realize 1. People have finite capabilities to master subjects. 2. Elon is a master in hardware engineering businesses. 3. Twitter is not about hardware engineering.
- ep103 4y agoYou're assuming that Elon isn't doing what he intended to do, turn Twitter into his own personal, right wing echo-chamber with political influence.
- ceejayoz 4y agoThose have never done well. They want the angry/upset reaction they can't get in an echo chamber; the Parlers, Truth Socials, Gabs etc. will never give them this. They're already asking Musk to stop lefties from being able to even block them; it's the same phenomeon as incels. Free speech was never enough; they want an audience guaranteed, too. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1604052966839062528 https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1604052966839062528
- ghayes 4y agoThat’s simply not true, per the policy: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platfo... > At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL…
- ceejayoz 4y agoI don't follow. Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
- ghayes 4y agoYes I believe so. HN is loading too slow to find it, but a sister comment that stated the policy only applies to accounts whose primary purpose is to share other social media links. This is now further evidenced by PG’s account being suspended.
- cratermoon 4y agoThere's this shading in free speech absolutists from "I have a right to say what I want" to "I have the right to the audience I want".
- pavlov 4y agoMusk seems to be speedrunning into Howard Hughes status. He has so much wealth that, like Hughes, he could alienate every business contact and still spend the rest of his life making leftfield investments and watching movies naked in a dark hotel room. (Well, replace watching movies with tweeting, I suppose.)
- jacquesm 4y agoHe'll go well beyond that. Hughes stopped at self destruct. Musk is likely to take a lot of people and institutions with him on the way down.
- atonse 4y agoThis to me feels like the right analogy. It’s both possible that Musk is a genius and that he’s cracked as many geniuses do. His embarrassment in no way erases his accomplishments of the past decade and warrant a “he was never smart”. But his downright pathetic demeanor the past few months do eclipse and ruin what could’ve been an incredible legacy.
- nwienert 4y agoJust a reminder that just because liberals are freaking out, doesn’t mean it’s a shared opinion. I see this happening on HN constantly where over time the hivemind shares their in-group responses to articles blasting whatever their current enemy is (yes it’s heavily liberal here). Then after a few weeks of this, you start seeing funny comment threads like this. Where there’s this sort of this tactic to take control of the narrative, and make it seem like everyone agrees that X is bad. It works really well because of course even if only a few people leave Twitter in rage, now we can share that as proof of status quo and keep building the narrative. Just a reminder - this is only a view shared by the extremely online / tech / liberal bubble. As an example, on more conservative discussions boards you see the same thing happening on the opposite side. Until threads are literally fully premised on the fact that everyone agrees that someone or some org is “speedrunning Y” or whatever. My feedback is this: don’t write like this. It makes you look daft, because it shows ether you don’t realize you’re in an opinion bubble, or you’re a willing participant in gaslighting for the only purpose of back patting / narrative control. I see this stuff all the damn time and usually ignore, but nice to have a chance to clarify this.
- adharmad 4y agoVery likely the only people who can reliably send that message to Musk are $TSLA investors. Until he has the cushion provided by $TSLA stock price, he is pretty much going to continue doing whatever he wants to.
- tamrix 4y agoThe internet has a short memory. No one's going to care in 6 months and everyone will be back on twitter.
- jacquesm 4y agoI highly doubt that.
- ksherlock 4y agoElon Musk's peers are people like Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Mohammed bin Salman. He's not alienating them.
- conradfr 4y agoHe's probably wrong but "previous Twitter" was not right either. It's funny how "Twitter is a private company they can kick who they want from their platform" is suddenly not so popular over the crowd that used to parrot it. Hypocrites from every side, unsurprisingly. Anyway, I can't believe his grand idea for Twitter was the botched "Twitter Blue", and the next version doesn't seem to make sense either.
- justbored123 4y ago
- paxys 4y agoElon has been in the middle of his "come to Jesus" moment for a while. He is running Twitter like an autocratic dictator. He is restoring extremist right wing accounts. He is banning open conversation and dissent. He is peddling QAnon conspiracy theories. He was against all covid measures and called for Fauci's arrest. He has cozied up to China and middle eastern dictatorships while putting up the "free speech" charade against democrats in the US. He was most recently hanging out with Jared Kushner in a private box at the world cup final. Why are people still doubting who he really is?
- noelsusman 4y agoElon has right-wing reactionary brain worms. In my experience, most people who fall in never get out. I don't have much hope that a billionaire will be an exception to that.
- tootie 4y agoEveryone shrugged off the "pedo guy" episode as a lapse of judgment and not a glimpse into his real personality.
- ssnistfajen 4y agoMusk did publicly apologize to the diver and the courts ruled that Musk was not liable, so lots of people considered it a settled matter. I considered Musk a cool tech person before that event, then a weird tech person after that. Since 2020 though he has turned into just an awful tech person.
- tootie 4y agoApologies and atonement are one thing but I think it takes a certain level of emotional deficiency to even have the impulse to use your position of power to lob such petty insults. It's grossly abnormal. Same thing for people like Kanye West or Will Smith. They can tap dance between insane behavior and apologizing but like why would they ever do the things they do in the first place if they were decent people.