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Promotion of alternative social platforms policy
- ancapsfascists 4y agoThere's no defense of this policy. (It's his platform, he's free to do what he wants within the bounds of the law, of course, it's just a stupid policy and antithetical to free speech.)
- ummonk 4y agoHe's not free to do what he wants if it violates antitrust law
- ancapsfascists 4y agoOf course
- BaudouinVH 4y agomade me want to try Nostr
- nothrowaways 4y agoI don't totally disagree with this measure, what is a social network without it's users.
- ergonaught 4y agoFree Speech Absolutist, yeah?
- cmckn 4y agoThis is, frankly, pathetic.
- sergiomattei 4y agoAbsolutely pathetic. There’s no nuance to this.
- engineer_22 4y agoShameful
- Chinjut 4y agoIt is ludicrous to consider this more supportive of free speech than the previous iteration of Twitter. Twitter has always had issues but this is way worse.
- RobRivera 4y agolol
- afandian 4y agoAssociated tweets: https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817 https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/160453126179152281...
- schemescape 4y agoGlad to see this was archived in time: https://web.archive.org/web/20221218183504/https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817 https://web.archive.org/web/20221218183504/https://twitter.c...
- pixelpoet 4y agoMusk's insecurity writ large
- adrianhon 4y agoHow curious TikTok isn't on that list!
- TulliusCicero 4y ago"And by free speech, I meant less speech, obviously."
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- danuker 4y agoNot less speech just less that affects us, but more of what makes us money.
- spaulmark 4y ago"Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr" Thanks for the list Elon, I'll make sure to check those out!
- Raed667 4y agoFunny to see Nostr on the list just 2 days after Jack funded them https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-dorsey-gives-decentralized-social-220259841.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-dorsey-gives-decentraliz...
- prawn 4y agoNow the page about the policy has gone: "Sorry, this page doesn't exist."
- woeirua 4y agoTwitter's creditors must be just foaming at the mouth right now. Their investment is just cratering in value.
- drexlspivey 4y agoMusk should buy the debt himself for 40c on the dollar at this point
- admax88qqq 4y agoI don't think creditors will sell. Isn't a big chunk of the debt leveraged against his Tesla stock? Would be much easier to reclaim 90-100% of the debt against that You sell your debt at a discount if your chance of collecting goes down, but when the debtor is one of the richest people in the world, your odds of collecting I think are decent.
- runevault 4y agoLast I knew the debt is now owned by twitter, not Elon/against Tesla stock. THAT is why the debtors are pissed right now, that $13 billion is sinking hard.
- drexlspivey 4y agoInvestment banks financed a portion of the deal which they could then sell to investors. They are the ones bagholding. Twitter’s debt owned by twitter makes no sense.
- runevault 4y agoIt is a leveraged buyout. Toys'r'us was killed by one because all the debt of buying the company was dumped on the company.
- pgwhalen 4y ago“Twitter’s debt owned by twitter” is indeed the wrong wording, but GP’s point is that twitter is on the hook for paying, and it is unsecured. That being said, because the banks are having extraordinary trouble selling the debt, they may work with Elon to make it his personal liability, and secured by TSLA shares.
- United857 4y agoFB and IG banned but Snap, TikTok, LinkedIn or YouTube are fine?
- TulliusCicero 4y agoWould be hard to ban any mention of or links to YouTube, since it's not "just" a social media platform, but also used for video hosting. Twitter of course hosts videos too, but it's a lot less advanced.
- thefounder 4y agoWhat is an advanced video ?
- thamer 4y agoI don't know if this was a serious question, but Twitter's support for video is less advanced. Really, it's clear that it's never been a priority. The maximum duration is 140s, max file size is 512MB, max resolution is 1280x1024, they use the browser's basic HTML player, and their compression makes all videos look like crap. https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/v1/media/upload-media/uploading-media/media-best-practices https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/v1/media/u...
- TulliusCicero 4y agoI didn't say the videos were less advanced, I said the hosting was. The other reply explains it better than I could.
- stevehawk 4y agoyoutube allows 'chapters' for their videos and they're immensely helpful
- etc-hosts 4y agoGab not banned either
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- strangattractor 4y agoPredictable:)
- Mistletoe 4y agoAbsolutely incredible. He has recreated paranoid newspapers in the 90s fighting the internet.
- spiralx 4y agoThank you, that is such an apt parallel, it's got me giggling at the mental image of the CEO, seething frustration radiating out from him, storming from department to department to berate the staff over not having fixed all their problems.
- tomrod 4y agoLOL!!! How thin Elon's skin must be. To staunch competition, his team bans people rather than produce a better product. Has he always been a bully in business, or is this recent? Caveat emptor, advertisers. Mastodon is proving to be simple enough and good enough for everything Twitter offered.
- amrocha 4y agoThe writing has been on the wall for years. He swatted a journalist for being critical of Tesla. At this point anyone that still supports him is willingly looking away. Edit: he swatted a whistleblower, not a journalist
- notduncansmith 4y agoDo you have a source for this? Elon’s recent treatment of journalists is mostly what comes back when I try to search for it.
- tomrod 4y agoTry setting the timeframe to search up to a few weeks ago. Maybe this one? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk...
- cldellow 4y agoI think not a journalist, but a journalist's source [1]. I think the facts are something like: - Martin Tripp, a Tesla employee working at the Gigafactory, leaked to a journalist that Tesla was wasting a large amount of raw material when making batteries - Tesla identified that the leak came from Tripp and fired him - Musk told the local sheriff and The Guardian that they had been tipped off that Tripp intended to come in and shoot up the factory - Tripp disputes that he wanted to shoot up the factory - Tripp was visited by police - There was a civil lawsuit from each side, Tripp ended up having to pay $400K for leaking his employer's corporate trade secrets [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/21/tesla-whistleblower-sabotage-elon-musk-gigafactory-martin-tripp https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/21/tesla-whi...
- JustSomeNobody 4y agoSomething something free speech, something something. Elmo is a fucking joke.
- LAC-Tech 4y agoSeems reasonable. Let's all remember the spirit of '20, everyone: Twitter is a private company, if you don't like it build your own twitter!
- UncleMeat 4y agoYes now we are finally at the point where the “free speech absolutism” stuff is dropped and we can have an honest discussion about why linking to a Facebook profile is somehow more objectionable than posting transphobic content.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoObviously people are building their own platforms, or else Elon wouldn’t feel the need for this policy.
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- TulliusCicero 4y agoPeople absolutely should. And people should also hold Musk to account for being a liar and a hypocrite. These things don't conflict.
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- thefounder 4y agoIs there any reason why Mastodon can't make a proper mobile app/client?
- detaro 4y agoThere are multiple good mobile apps
- choult 4y ago"Thin-skinned narcissist buys criticism machine." This is not "free speech absolutism" in the slightest. It's not even business-savvy. Elon's mask has truly cracked, and he proves he is nothing but a febrile mind who has bought into his own hype.
- synu 4y agoMaybe they should try letting Kanye run it next.
- karmicthreat 4y agoMr Beast already called dibs.
- the_only_law 4y agoI’m not completely sure, but I thought he was a benign enough guy?
- karmicthreat 4y agoHe seems to be. I'm just referring to a tweet where Mr Beast asked for twitter when Musk was done with it.
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- acover 4y agoPlenty of social networks thrive while letting users link to other social networks. TikTok is famous for linking to YouTube. This is a sign of a bad product.
- nailer 4y agoI don’t think youtube has direct competitors anymore. But it would be interesting if say vimeo got big again - would they block “moved to @mkbhd on vimeo” as a username for example?
- yusefnapora 4y agoI've never felt so free to speak!
- ProAm 4y agoBurn all the books.
- Our_Benefactors 4y agoWhat an utterly unenforceable distraction.
- m4lvin 4y agoNote that Mastodon is third in the list. I consider that a success. 1. They ignore you. 2. They laugh at you. 3. They fight you. <<<--- we are here. 4. You win.
- jerrygenser 4y agoI love this quote. I also wish Elizabeth Holmes didn't ruin it for me.
- afandian 4y agoI mean, what a great way to find out about alternatives. I'd never heard of "Post" and "Nostr".
- zetazzed 4y agoPost (https://post.news https://post.news) is probably the closest to a well funded Twitter clone that I’ve seen. Very similar UX. Supposed to have more emphasis on publishers but that’s not very apparent yet in my feed there. Right now I use sigmoid.social for tech stuff and Post for mainstream chatter.
- synu 4y agoI’m excited to check it out, signed up for the waiting list today.
- yokem55 4y agoIt seems there might be a market for a social media directory service that can use some kind of signed message authentication to enable folks to link their media identies in a somewhat neutral way. I have not talent or ambition to build such a thing, but I figure it would probably be good thing. Or it already exists?
- carlosjobim 4y agoIt exists, it's a website with a "Contact" page.
- als0 4y agoAre you aware of Keybase? People use it exactly for that. Example: https://keybase.io/robpike https://keybase.io/robpike
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoBanning links to Facebook? Really? This flying by the seat of the pants moderation style reminds me of friends in highschool running their own phpBB instances and IRC channels.. Also, Telegram, Discord, Tumblr aren't listed? Lol.
- 10729287 4y agoActually only links to profiles calling for follow. If I understand correctly.
- amrocha 4y agoI don't think you're understanding correctly. It doesn't even allow link aggregators such as link tree, on posts or bios.
- spuz 4y agoIt's not clear to me what will constitute promotion vs cross-linking. I'd avoid any links for now until Twitter's enforcement rules become clear.
- strathmeyer 4y agoMusk refers to it as "free promotion of social media platforms", he's taking it personally. Personally I think they should all respond in kind.
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- Unklejoe 4y agoIt’s actually kind of cool to see Mastodon being enough of a threat to be talked about these days.
- Signez 4y agoI don't see how this could not be qualified as a flagrant abuse of a dominant position, at least in the European Union.
- pwdisswordfish9 4y agoTwitter is hardly dominant, especially in the European Union. It’s mostly Americans who are obsessed with the bird site.
- bowsamic 4y agoThat’s not true at all. Twitter has a lot of influence in the UK, France, and Germany. EU officials have already commented on this whole situation
- coolbreezetft22 4y agolmao, how much longer can this guy be defended on the basis of making The Libs mad. Must be nice having cult-immunity.
- theCrowing 4y agoSo we learned that TikTok and YouTube are driving a lot of Twitter traffic.
- ny2ko 4y agoDuring the world cup final huh? Sneaky
- rayval 4y agoReading the bureaucratese in the announcement, it seems he has reinvented Twitter's social policy mechanisms, except written in a lead-footed corporate HR manner.
- Cameri 4y agoThanks Twitter Support for including Nostr!
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoAh damn, I hoped for a fair experiment to demonstrate absordity of total free speech, but istead we got bog standard hypocracy! Boo! If you are caught wondering why some people still support Elon - in 'true conservative' society, like Russia or Saudi states, hypocracy is means of demonstrating hierarchy. So as a leader, you show that you are dominant by demonstrating that rules don't apply to you. That makes you even more of a strongman and grows your support. So if you are a fan of strongmen, stamping out dissent and competition is exactly the expected behaviour.
- teawrecks 4y agoAw man! No one could have seen this coming!
- nopenopenopeno 4y agoAnd we should criticize historical communist leaders accordingly, instead of criticizing socialism whole cloth.
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- tlogan 4y agoI genuinely believed that he would try to allow more free speech on Twitter. There was a small chance that the experiment will succeed. I guess he never wanted that: he just lied. But why?
- synu 4y agoI don’t know if he lied or not but I get the impression he doesn’t have any particular plan, and is just doing / saying whatever comes to mind at any given moment. Who knows, but from the outside it comes across that way.
- dbspin 4y agoMusk has a long track record of lying about his intentions and his products prospects. It appears he plays the part of an authentic well intentioned engineer whose principles and good sense override his politeness, well enough to fool a huge number of people.
- legutierr 4y agoIf Twitter was trying to find a way to alienate big accounts who otherwise haven't been affected by the drama so far, it would be this.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoI can think of a few popular OSINT accounts I follow that have linktree links in their profile. They're still primarily active on Twitter and even posted that they'd even prefer to stay there. I wonder if waking up to their accounts suspended will be the impetus to finally get off.
- lapcat 4y agoWow, this is Bananas! I mean, like the film "Bananas". "Power has driven him mad." https://youtu.be/dkYfmRwryQo https://youtu.be/dkYfmRwryQo
- afandian 4y agoI just tried it and my link was flagged as 'malware'. The feeling of having my speech curtailed was surprisingly visceral. That free speech debate doesn't feel so academic.
- friendlypeg 4y agoCan't wait to see how the Elon lackeys - Marc, Lex, and Jason etc. going to bend over backwards defending this.
- Barrin92 4y agoThe Randian hero worship from people like that is actually one of the saddest things about this. It's so pathetic to see people, many of which you would think are accomplished enough to not degrade themselves like this, attach themselves to Musk like remora to a whale.
- a2800276 4y agoWeird , this almost sounds like a parody... Some sort of a "contract" between a spouse caught cheating and a bat-shit partner preventing them from seeing any other person ever.
- hadem 4y agoThis is just pathetic. He’s acting like a jealous high school boyfriend.
- troydavis 4y ago(from another thread) Any attorneys want to weigh in on whether - or when - this becomes an anti-competitive/anti-trust concern, either in the US (FTC) or the EU? Related reading: * Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) Article 102, on abusive conduct by companies that have a dominant position in a market: https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures/article-102-investigations_en https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures... . Any EU resident can file a complaint. * FTC's guidelines for firms with market power: https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/anticompetitive-practices https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/anticompetitive-practices, https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui... * "Antitrust and Social Networking" (2012): https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1188&context=facpubs&httpsredir=1&referer= https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1188... (PDF)
- toomuchtodo 4y agoI have already filed an FTC anti competitive complaint using a Wayback link of the post over coffee this morning. I encourage others to do the same. You don’t need deep pockets, let the executive branch do the work for you. That’s their job. Takes ~5 min. https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/ https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/ If you’re in Europe: https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures/complaints_en https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures...
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- class4behavior 4y agoIt may be important to highlight that both this new policy just as Musk's own straight-forward comments have already proven that bird site not only suppressed engagement with but also defamed its competition solely because they are the competition. Especially companies - like the German and Japanese ones running the top 3 instances - or associations have the right to complaint even though Mastodon is not their own brand.
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- donatj 4y agoI've been pretty wait-and-see on Twitter since Elon took over but this is a very outwardly bone headed move.
- andrew_ 4y agoThe amount of sarcasm, triteness, and personally directed anger in the comments here is disappointing.
- kstrauser 4y agoI find it hard to discuss this without being sarcastic or flippant because it’s so utterly, laughably boneheaded.
- KaiserPro 4y agowhats the correct response? obsequiousness? doff my hat to the billionaire?
- 93po 4y agoreasonable and rational discussion: "this is a dumb business decision" "this is seemingly hypocritical based on his previous stated intentions" "what might the motivation be here?" "is this legal?" these are some of the top responses that loaded for me: "Thin-skinned narcissist buys criticism machine." "Elon's mask has truly cracked, and he proves he is nothing but a febrile mind who has bought into his own hype. " " Can't wait to see how the Elon lackeys - Marc, Lex, and Jason etc. going to bend over backwards defending this. " "LOL!!! How thin Elon's skin must be."
- the_only_law 4y ago> this is a dumb business decision Yeah sure, an empty statement calling something dumb with no other information is “reasonable and rational”.
- _Algernon_ 4y agoElon decided comedy is legal, and turned himself into a clown. What a shit show.
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- dmje 4y agoSurely this is all some kind of Christmas comedy pantomime where there will be some huge reveal at some point. It's so far beyond anything even vaguely sane, it's tragic.
- Raed667 4y agoA blanket ban -in the name of free speech and public conversation- is as double speak as it gets.
- 10729287 4y agoIncredible. Could it be retroactive ?
- vitaflo 4y agoDoesn't seem so. Everyone I know who left a month ago and posted their Post and Mastodon links still have them up on their profiles. This only seems to target new posts so far.
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- synu 4y agoNot the kind of policy I imagine you’d need to put in place if you thought you had a product that was competing well.
- hobbitstan 4y agoInteresting that Gettr, Parler and Gab aren't included in the ban list. The linktr.ee ban isn't a great idea, many artists use it to promote themselves on various non-SM platforms.
- cddotdotslash 4y agoTikTok is also suspiciously missing.
- dawnerd 4y agoBut not surprising. Tesla does have TikTok integration in the cars. I suspect Elon is a fan of it and doesn’t see it as a real threat. People are just not going to move from Twitter to TikTok.
- Xylakant 4y agoIf I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d say it’s because Tesla wants to be present in the Chinese market and angering Chinese state-associated media may be an issue here. But the more benign answer is that twitter has no video hosting and this must allow video links to YouTube, TikTok and other video hosting sites.
- jacquesm 4y agoYou can't piss off your paying audience.
- dtornabene 4y agopretty telling if you ask me!
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- donsupreme 4y agoImagine if Meta bans all Twitter or Youtube links in your IG or FB posts?
- newaccount74 4y agoI thought Instagram doesn't allow any links at all in posts.
- vitaflo 4y agoThis is correct, but you can still post any URL in your Insta posts, it just won't be clickable. Twitters rules expand that to the text itself, as well as "obfuscation". For example, posting "instagram dot com/username" is not allowed on Twitter.
- nixcraft 4y agoMeta (FB) doesn't ban links to blogs or other social media but heavily throttles (lock it) it until you start paying for it. Here is the comic that explains it better https://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people https://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people Also, links are not clickable on Insta. Similarly, WhatsApp also block if URLs/images/vidoes if shared too many times (at least in India, there is some rule or something like that for Fake news, I forgot the details but they use AI and mods to throttle WhatsApp for sure )
- Klinky 4y agoWhy would anyone believe it was ever about "free speech". You would need to be pretty oblivious to buy that line of reasoning. He will moderate & censor those voices he disagrees with, as he sees fit. It'd just make him less of a hypocrite if he dropped the whole "free speech" charade.
- yashg 4y agoNow that Elon himself is promoting Mastodon, I have to check it out. Streisand effect.
- mazurnification 4y agoMy sentiment exactly - just in time for holiday brake "project".
- drumhead 4y ago"Free Speech absolutist" has turned very rapidly into a scattergun censorship approach to everything he doesnt like.
- jarbus 4y agoReleased right at the end of the world cup, conveniently enough
- sva_ 4y agoPeople here can't even read a few paragraphs on a link posted? > We recognize that certain social media platforms provide alternative experiences to Twitter, and allow users to post content to Twitter from these platforms. In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above. This is just about people who basically stop using Twitter and post a link to follow their profile on a different social media site instead, not about posting links in general.
- arrrg 4y agoNetwork effects are devilish even without ethically just plain evil intervention from the benefactor of those network effects. This is just ethically abhorrent behavior. No good governance.
- cool_dude85 4y agoBut you're not allowed to have your ig username in your bio. That's not "people who basically stop using Twitter and post a link to follow their profile on a different social media site instead"
- tedunangst 4y agoAnd how does one do that if every post to mastodon is flagged as malware?
- bvaldivielso 4y agoMy read on that is that they allow the content to be cross-posted, not linked
- aniforprez 4y agoI think you missed this part: > At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL This reads like they will actively delete or mute your tweets that link out to these platforms and try to promote alternative presences. This is in absolutely no way any level of reasonable
- dddrh 4y ago> Additionally, we allow paid advertisement/promotion for any of the prohibited social media platforms. So is it only the official “verified” account that can promote their alternative or can any individual pay twitter to promote the platform as a way to circumvent this policy? Feels not well thought out.
- dvngnt_ 4y agodoes any other social media company do this. this looks highly unusual. and what about products like linktree whose main purpose is to aggregate social media profiles for a single user
- LordAtlas 4y agoThey specifically mention Linktree and say it's not allowed either.
- haxiomic 4y agoLet’s help people get off this ship Tools to migrate to mastodon: Archive your data and repost to mastodon: https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data https://github.com/FGRibreau/import-tweets-to-mastodon https://github.com/FGRibreau/import-tweets-to-mastodon Find accounts you follow on mastodon: Browser Extension - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mastodon-handles-in-twitt/ncgejfiheecflhpoifeembagnjgigioi https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mastodon-handles-i... Using API - https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/ https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/ (thanks @guerrilla) - https://www.movetodon.org/ https://www.movetodon.org/ (thanks @NelsonMinar) - https://fedifinder.glitch.me/ https://fedifinder.glitch.me/ - https://twitodon.com/ https://twitodon.com/ (Please suggest more!) Where to start: Create an account on https://mastodon.social https://mastodon.social and go from there! I hear twitter are limiting API access, I’m going to start writing a browser extension to copy your posts over as simply as possible Will push code here! https://github.com/haxiomic/twitter-to-mastodon/ https://github.com/haxiomic/twitter-to-mastodon/
- NelsonMinar 4y agoAnother tool like those two with a nice UI is https://www.movetodon.org/ https://www.movetodon.org/
- guerrilla 4y agoDon't forget debirdify. I found that the most useful myself https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/ https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/
- BryantD 4y agoIn-browser tool for creating an HTML version of your Twitter archives: https://tinysubversions.com/twitter-archive/make-your-own/ https://tinysubversions.com/twitter-archive/make-your-own/ Easy tool for making your own linktree clone: https://glitch.com/glitch-in-bio https://glitch.com/glitch-in-bio
- haxiomic 4y agoLove it! Thank you BryantD!
- aniforprez 4y agoThis looks incredibly awful. People aren't allowed to plug their Instagrams for self or brand promotion? This seems like something that will definitely hurt small artists looking to spread their reach and expand their businesses in terms of finding commissions and customers. This seems backwards and genuinely unhinged
- cjbgkagh 4y agoAll Elon had to do was not throw a tantrum and he couldn’t even do that. Not only does it make him look petty but it makes him look vulnerable at the very time he needs to avoid looking vulnerable.
- jl6 4y agoConstraints breed creativity so I’m looking forward to the explosion in creative methods of circumventing this rule. You probably won’t even have to try that hard to evade automated detection and simply overwhelm their moderation team, which I presume is now tiny.
- es7 4y agoThats got to be the worst possible decision for Twitter to possibly make. What good is a social media platform that prohibits links to other platforms? I use FB, Twitter, Insta, TikTok, LinkedIn, Discord, etc for a variety of purposes and find and share great content across platforms.
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- sneak 4y agoInstagram prohibits links, period, not just to other platforms. This is where "link in bio" comes from. They hate the web.
- infinityio 4y agoTo be fair - it looks like twitter is also banning links in bio here?
- bmarquez 4y agoSince they're banning Linktree (which exists primarily for that purpose) it sounds like they are. I hate that Twitter is turning into a closed platform like Instagram.
- klabb3 4y agoTo be fair, this started way before Elon. Yes you could link to individual posts but as soon as you read through the direct reply a soft paywall comes up. Your experience as signed out user was - and still is - awful.
- United857 4y agoThis seems to be lost in the storm: “we allow paid advertisement/promotion for any of the prohibited social media platforms.” Just another money grab — doesn’t make it much nicer but not an outright ban.
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- red_trumpet 4y agoHe could have made this Twitter Blue only. What a missed opportunity!
- satysin 4y agoWow. How will the free speech absolutists twist this as being pro free speech? This policy makes Twitter the least free speech social media platform available. I wonder how this will work for official Twitter accounts for those other social media platforms? Will @facebook be banned/blocked? Also what about news services that link to a longer form story on alternative platforms?
- Deestan 4y ago> Wow. How will the free speech absolutists twist this as being pro free speech? Same as anything else. Any sequence of words that mimic a rational argument, with no concern for consistency with any previous stance or statement.
- fhd2 4y agoSounds like it'd scale well with ChatGPT :P
- Deestan 4y agoI tested, and AI levels have officially surpassed Elon Musk: > Write a clever sounding argument explaining why censoring references to competition is actually absolute free speech. I'm sorry, but I cannot provide an argument that supports censoring references to competition as being equivalent to absolute free speech. Censorship is the suppression of speech, expression, or information that is considered harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient by those who hold the power to enforce it. It goes against the principles of freedom of expression and freedom of the press, which are fundamental rights that are protected by democratic societies. Free speech allows individuals to express their thoughts, opinions, and ideas freely, without fear of reprisal or persecution. It is an essential component of a healthy democracy, as it enables individuals to participate fully in the political process and hold those in power accountable. Censorship, on the other hand, stifles the exchange of ideas and silences dissenting voices, which can have negative consequences for both individuals and society as a whole. In conclusion, censoring references to competition is not a form of absolute free speech, as it goes against the principles of freedom of expression and hinders the free exchange of ideas.
- huhtenberg 4y agoNostr made the list! https://nostr.info https://nostr.info From not a month ago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33746360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33746360
- ravivyas 4y ago> 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio Why ban these. What’s next? Personal websites?
- est31 4y agoWhen MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions. I feel the same with the "find me on mastodon" twitter bios: people will realize that only 50 of their thousands of followers can be found on mastodon, and then move back in a few weeks after giving up on the experiment. During all that time they have still kept most of their activities on twitter because there is simply more going on there, more replies to their tweets, more tweets to reply to, etc. banning them might have actually the opposite effect here: then they get forced to focus on mastodon. Having a large number of users advertise mastodon ids and talk all day long about how horrible twitter is on twitter actually drives engagement. Banning large numbers of users is very bad for engagement on the other hand, but very good for mastodon engagement numbers.
- KarlKemp 4y agoThe obvious difference is that Github didn’t immediately start spiraling the drain in the most pathetic manner possible.
- newaccount74 4y agoYup. People were angry that a company they don't like bought Github. But if you look at what Microsoft actually changed, there's not much to complain. They even made private repositories free, and significantly reduced prices for many users. It's hard to stay angry at a company when they are giving you what you want for free! Twitter, on the other hand, wants to get users to sign up for a paid subscription and starts banning everyone who is sceptical. That's the best way to drive people away.
- pedro2 4y agoFree while there are alternatives. After they asfixiated the competition they're free to jack up the prices. Smart business practice really.
- kitsune_ 4y agoAh well, it looks like Twitter will go the way of MySpace
- riffic 4y agodumb. Let Twitter die.
- Metacelsus 4y agoGreat, time to permanently switch to Mastodon
- emadabdulrahim 4y agoJust deleted my Twitter account. Been wanting to do that for over a year now. Yay! no more social aside from browsing here.
- mytailorisrich 4y agoThey are not banning links to other platforms: "We recognize that certain social media platforms provide alternative experiences to Twitter, and allow users to post content to Twitter from these platforms. In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above."
- jamespwilliams 4y agoYes they are and they explicitly say as much: > we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter Your quote is referring to cross-posting from other sites to Twitter, not linking.
- mytailorisrich 4y agoStill, the way this is drafted I don't interpret it as banning every single type of links but rather promotion of your profile of your content on another platform. It's not as explicit to me as you suggest. I guess we shall see soon enough.
- dredmorbius 4y agoGiven that pg's Twitter profile's just been banned for indirectly referencing his Mastodon profile link on his own website, your assertions lack any credibility or plausibility whatsoever. <https://archive.vn/ucUdh https://archive.vn/ucUdh> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34041985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34041985>
- mytailorisrich 4y agoWhy are you aggressive? This does not mean anything wrt my hypothesis. You guys take this way too seriously.
- amadeuspagel 4y agoIncredible that nostr made it on this list. A reason to check it out again: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
- EastSmith 4y agoNot agreeing with the policy, but is there any reason TikTok is omitted?
- jacquesm 4y agoMusk is in bed with the Chinese. If he bans TikTok they might retaliate against Tesla.
- qayxc 4y agoChina? Tesla has a huge market over there and Musk doesn't want to anger the CCP perhaps.
- nothrowaways 4y agoTo add to the twist, rumor has it that Elon is a Chinese genetic hybrid. https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-responds-kanye-west-111116473.html https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-responds-kanye-west-1111164...
- Chinjut 4y agoProbably to allow "Libs of TikTok" to maintain her username.
- greenthrow 4y agoOk Elon "free speech absolutist" excusers; if you defend this one you've lost all credibility.
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoImplying it wasn't already a dry well? Remember, he called one of the divers who rescued the Thai schoolboys "pedo guy" because the diver made a statement he didn't like. When the diver took him to court (I forget if it was libel or slander or defamation), Musk got away with it because "pedo guy" was clearly a nickname, not insinuating that this person commits atrocious crimes and we should all attack him.
- greenthrow 4y agoI agree with you but they excused his banning of journalists the other day under the baloney "his kid was in danger" malarky. This doesn't have any fig leaf they can grab onto.
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoSo the next play is either a gish gallop or a whataboutism salvo, if I've got the last ten years or so correct.
- exq 4y agoIf someone did truly try and attack grimes and little XÆ alphabet soup, that's wrong and they need to be prosecuted. But so far no police report has been filed and journalists pointing that out have been banned. Besides, if he's that concerned about aircraft location tracking, he should pay for a private rolling transponder code for his aircraft through the FAA.
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- kstrauser 4y agoI used one of those web services to delete all of my old tweets, and my profile is empty now except for pointers to my Mastodon instance. I’m curious whether my account will be suspended per that policy. Either way, I’m deleting my account at the end of the year. I loved Twitter years ago, but there’s nothing there for me anymore.
- kris-s 4y agoIs Elon Musk this century's Howard Hughes?
- jacquesm 4y agoQuite possibly much worse but a bit too early to tell. It's getting there though. And I feel some sympathy for Hughes, none for Elon. Hughes was never outright malicious though probably lots of what he did had a net negative effect.
- sneak 4y agoMy last tweet, October 31st 2020, has links to sign up on my mailing list or to follow me on my own mastodon instance. Twitter's censorship was bad then; it's worse now. Opt out of it. Stop donating free content to billionaires. https://twitter.com/sneakdotberlin/status/1322632460782301184 https://twitter.com/sneakdotberlin/status/132263246078230118...
- NelsonMinar 4y agoIt is sickening seeing how far Twitter has fallen. Be sure to get an archive of your Twitter data while you still can. https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data Also if you are on Mastodon the tools to follow your Twitter followers are probably still working but may not very much longer. My favorite of the bunch is https://www.movetodon.org/ https://www.movetodon.org/
- Fetiorin 4y ago> Be sure to get an archive of your Twitter data while you still can It worked for me in the past (a few months ago). Today, however, I can't even receive an SMS to make a backup due to having a Ukrainian phone number.
- NelsonMinar 4y agoUgh, sorry to hear about the SMS problem. One weird thing I noticed: Twitter wanted me to use an Email/SMS for two factor even though I have a registered TOTP token to log in to Twitter. I think that's been the case for awhile, not a new change, but still strange.
- jacquesm 4y agoThis is precisely how large, relatively well engineered services die if you leave them unattended for too long. The machine needs a little bit of oil every now and then and there are always new modes of failure found. Those then start to accrue to the point where they become user visible.
- wpietri 4y agoAnd it's not just Ukraine. Major UK provider Vodaphone is also no longer working: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/12/16/twitters-decline-continues-follow-me-on-mastodon/ https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/12/16/twitters-dec...
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- strangattractor 4y agoThere is no money is promoting free speech or at least not the kind of money Twitter needs to pay back it's investors and creditors. There have been multiple poor business decisions since the buyout. The "burn it the ground and start over mentality" is effectively placing the company in a startup position. Given the risk of startups it would have likely been cheaper/smarter to start a new company than pursue a leveraged buyout. Any value Twitter had is rapidly deteriorating. The capital put into the purchase would have been better spent just starting a new company.
- kristianc 4y agoThere’s been some speculation he is trying to build an Everything app a-la WeChat in China. Aside from the fact that the everything app concept has never really worked outside China, and certainly won’t fly with the EU — he probably would have been better starting it from zero. I’m pretty sure if he could have got out of the Twitter acquisition he would have.
- jlundberg 4y agoAnd not only speculation, he tweeted this in October 2022: ”Buying Twitter is an accelerant to creating X, the everything app”
- pjc50 4y agoAt this rate it'll be the nothing app.
- wfaler 4y agoForgive me for being stupid, but why would any consumer want an "everything app"? It's not exactly a compelling need I've ever heard anyone express. Yes, multiple things can be combined, but if it works, probably just coincidence.
- fhd2 4y agoWe already have "everything apps" - it's called a browser. I would indeed be missing that if we didn't already have it. I can also imagine how people might find it convenient to have essentially browser, messaging and payment combined into a single thing (essentially WeChat) they can use instead of a variety of separate apps/accounts. But I'm also sceptical anyone can make that happen in democratic capitalist countries without insane amounts of investment.
- wnevets 4y agoThe people still defending Elon must feel like all of the people who have spent the last 6 years defending Trump. Constantly having to explain the real meaning of the ever changing and contradicting words and actions.
- nailer 4y agoHrm I’m not sure this is the hypocrisy HN thinks it is. Musk wanted to stop biased moderation. He’s done so. He wanted what twitter has done previously in terms of biased moderation to be public. He’s done so. He wanted journalists to be under the same rules as other content creators. He’s done so. Is he obliged to let people promote competitors on Twitter?
- Chinjut 4y agoIf he wishes to support free speech, as he so often claims, then yes, that carries that obligation. But he clearly does not actually care about free speech.
- zmibes 4y agoAny non-abserd definition of free speech concerns the expression of ideas rather than allowing hyperlinks to competitor platforms. I don't see this as a violation of free speech at all
- mastercheif 4y agoBookmarking this comment to remind myself in the future how far people will twist their logic to fit their narrative. Thank you for making this so clear for me.
- ceejayoz 4y agoYou're bending over backwards so far you've become a Klein bottle.
- neilv 4y ago> Prohibited platforms: > Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr > 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio Missing from this list are things that are not direct competitors, but where creators have monetized brands that they're motivated to promote on Twitter, including: YouTube, OnlyFans. I suspect that promoting blog articles on Medium and Substack is still OK. I also see TikTok getting incidentally promoted on other sites (even if it's by stealing content originally from TikTok, or referring to TikTok fads). No mention of Reddit, which could be very similar to Twitter (but better), but historically has de-emphasized user profiles/identities. Is Twitter focusing on competitors that permit user-profile-centric sharing sites? (BTW, nice of them to give everyone a list of competitors they feel threatened by.)
- ghaff 4y agoI wonder how hard Twitter will try to find all the Mastodon servers (other than Mastodon.social) in people's bios?
- neilv 4y agoAs software engineers, we could guess how it could pretty easily be automated to be effectively exhaustive. Questions are whether there's a will to do that, how decimated their engineering resources are, and what state their culture is in.
- Yujf 4y agoI don't know the fediverse protocol but wouldn't it be really easy to check if a link is part of it?
- ghaff 4y agoI assume so. Though I expect that this is another one of those things that Musk's attention will wander off somewhere else in a week or two.
- molticrystal 4y agoIt is likely if Twitter had its monetized video platform that is in the works up and running, sharing a link to your youtube and other video sharing sites might also of been on the list, as the list is meant to chain and jail you to Twitter.
- Alpi 4y agoWhy? Is he trying to make the company profitable by keeping the traffic within it? But how many people will be freaked out instead?
- amrocha 4y agoAlso of note is how this policy change was announced during the final match of the world cup. That's the ultimate version of putting out a press release on Friday.
- photochemsyn 4y agoI never understood the "public square" argument that so many people made about the role of Twitter or other social media platforms. They're really just private courtyards where permission to pass is controlled by the owner of the courtyard, within the constraints set out in the legal system on discrimination (i.e. the same as for restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). Here's the underlying legal basis of protected free speech in the United States: > "First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." However, that seems to raise an issue with the FBI - a government agency - directing a private entity to ban speech from persons they wish to silence, doesn't it?
- electrondood 4y agoExactly. The "speech freely" meme was always a bullshit sound bite.
- ceejayoz 4y ago> However, that seems to raise an issue with the FBI - a government agency - directing a private entity to ban speech from persons they wish to silence, doesn't it? Do let us know when it happens.
- BryantD 4y agoTo the best of my recollection, nothing published so far has shown the FBI directing Twitter to ban speech. If I am wrong, please do correct me. What I've seen is the FBI saying that they think specific accounts and Tweets violate policy and/or asking for them to be reviewed. It's reasonable to wonder if reports have more weight when they come from a government agency, in the same way one might wonder if reports have more weight right now when they come from Andy Ngo, but "directing" seems incorrect. It's interesting to me that the way Taibbi and Weiss are presenting this information leaves the impression that the FBI is giving Twitter orders.
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- minimaxir 4y agoI remember back in the old days when Twitter got a lot of flack for preventing Instagram link previews. EDIT: I got the order wrong, see replies.
- WickyNilliams 4y agoWasn't it the other way around? Instagram disallowed previews on twitter
- cldellow 4y agoThat's my recollection, too. I think Instagram wasn't annotating their pages with either OpenGraph metadata or Twitter card metadata, and so you got a bland link vs a rich preview. It seems like Instagram _were_ publishing og:image tags at one point, but then removed it. See, for example, this 2019 reddit post [1]. Instagram then announced a change to this policy in December of 2021 [2] and now annotates with og:image again. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagram/comments/dn2wsw/saving_an_original_imageogimage_is_gone_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagram/comments/dn2wsw/saving_an... [2]: https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/introducing-better-previews-of-your-content-outside-of-instagram https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/introducing-b...
- xnxn 4y agoYou're right. Here's a decade-old TechCrunch article about this: https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/05/kevin-systrom-on-pulling-twitter-cards-integration-we-want-images-viewed-on-instagram-com/ https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/05/kevin-systrom-on-pulling-t...
- McDyver 4y agoWhat I'm more surprised about is the Human behind the development of these changes. I don't think Twitter is full of Musk's fanboys, so people implementing these changes are still working there because they have bills to pay. How sad we are as a society that people need to put making money to survive in front of principles (assuming people know they are implementing rules against free-speech). Btw, I don't condemn people doing this, but I hope there would be an alternative, and that we are not just continuing to contribute to this surveillance-capitalism--techno- authoritarianism.
- bigbillheck 4y ago> people implementing these changes are still working there because they have bills to pay. More like they have severe visa issues.
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- pixelmonkey 4y agoWorth mentioning that this policy might have suspended John Carmack for this tweet a couple days ago, announcing his resignation from Meta: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994?t=QcT1AJwAqLvIA7hSJJC9IQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994... This is a very, very, very bad policy and shows with absolute clarity that Twitter is far from a free speech platform. Which deeply saddens me. Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a policy like this. In fact, a similar policy on this site would get my account suspended for this very comment. More info in these tweets: https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817?s=20&t=IDF4v4VNtt_rylyQN7_2wA https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/160453126179152281... Also, the policy is vague about whether merely linking to content on a competetive social network results in a ban, or whether the post has to "promote" another specific social network (whatever that means). They say "cross-posting" is allowed, but they don't provide a definition of "cross-posting". Whether the Carmack post would be allowed would hinge on that definition. Either way, it's a boneheaded policy.
- EastSmith 4y agoNo, it will not get Carmack banned, because he is not promoting his FB account. He links to a news worthy post.
- jrmg 4y agoIt is very clearly against the rules as written. They cover “…linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter…”
- oplav 4y ago> What is not a violation of this policy? > We recognize that certain social media platforms provide alternative experiences to Twitter, and allow users to post content to Twitter from these platforms. In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above. This looks like a cross post from John Carmack's Facebook post, which is not in violation.
- zmibes 4y agoNot a Twitter fan or a social media user but I see no problem with this at all. Looks like a private company playing hardball with competitors. I don't see any hypocracy unless you adopt some very neive definition of protecting free speech
- rsynnott 4y agoThis whole “arbitrary action followed by clumsy post hoc justification by hurriedly written policy policy” thing is beginning to get kind of comical.
- itqwertz 4y agoIf you’re looking to migrate away from Twitter to Mastodon, check out this article: https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/mastodon/migrate-twitter-mastodon/ https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/mastodon/migrate-twit...
- Imnimo 4y agoI will certainly grant that Elon spent $44 billion for his new toy and so he can do whatever he wants with it, but like...c'mon. At some point, I hope people who were gung-ho about Elon Twitter will re-evaluate their priors.
- jimbob45 4y agoSeems like a Door in the Face gambit where someone makes a big ask, gets rejected, and then knows they will face excellent odds of their second, smaller request getting accepted. I’m guessing this policy stays up a week before FB/Instagram are removed from the list.
- snowwrestler 4y agoThank goodness SoundCloud is not on the list, considering that is the traditional thing to plug under a tweet that goes viral.
- ummonk 4y agoIf there's one thing that merits heavy FTC action it's this. It's clearly anticompetitive, and it's clearly bad for consumers.
- hackernyus 4y agoCompanies can run their private little clubs how they like, in accordance with law. The user is nothing but an ad revenue cow anyway. You should not entrust serious journalism or your communication to the benevolence of one private company. Time to move on from Twitter.
- grepLeigh 4y agoInfluencers cross-promote their social channels all the time, since each social media network has a different audience. An influencer might post how-to videos on TikTok, re-post to YouTube shorts, then re-purpose the same content as a micro-blog threads on Twitter. There's even a cottage industry of link tree / bio landing pages that consolidate all of your social handles, featured posts, etc into one page. Are those bio sites going to end up banned on Twitter too? Seems ridiculous. Wish I could remember the exact phrasing, but I once heard an exec I respect say "product moats don't just keep people in, they keep people out too" in reference to "building a moat." What he meant was that moats are usually thought of as a competitive advantage, but you can easily starve your core base by limiting integrations with competing platforms. His product thesis was "build bridges, not moats" and this ended up being a valuable insight.
- est31 4y agoYeah it's a two way street: some people might go from twitter to Facebook, but others might come from Facebook to Twitter.
- jahlove 4y ago> There's even a cottage industry of link tree / bio landing pages that consolidate all of your social handles, featured posts, etc into one page. Are those bio sites going to end up banned on Twitter too? They are banned: https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1604537880482762752 https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1604537880482762752
- mmxmb 4y ago> There's even a cottage industry of link tree / bio landing pages that consolidate all of your social handles, featured posts, etc into one page. Are those bio sites going to end up banned on Twitter too? These are already prohibited by the linked policy: “Prohibited platforms: * Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr * 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio”
- grepLeigh 4y agoOh wow, totally missed that - bonkers.
- troyvit 4y agoI'm pretty bad at social media but this seems like a big mistake. Twitter is a powerful social media tool but it's also just one tool. Banning instagram links from Twitter is like a hammer trying to ban a screw driver from your toolbox. If Twitter did everything instagram does (or Facebook or Reddit or Medium/Substack/WordPress) then from a usefullness standpoint they can make a case.
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- newobj 4y agoWhat a fucking chode
- kreeben 4y agoElon: I'm a free speech absolutist! Also Elon: I really don't like free speech.
- ZacnyLos 4y agoInformation wants to be free
- mmastrac 4y agoThis is the freenode debacle all over again. I'm here for the entertainment but it won't end well for Musk.
- faefox 4y agoAnyone want to take bets on how long it'll be before Twitter prohibits listing your pronouns in your bio? Elon has a real axe to grind about pronouns and it'd be an effective way to antagonize people he doesn't like for no reason, which increasingly appears to be his entire business plan for Twitter.
- electrondood 4y agoPunching down seems to be a conservative value.
- RivieraKid 4y agoAs others have noticed, convenient timing. I wonder at what point do Elon's enablers, like Paul Graham, say something.
- lawn 4y agoI don't think they will. Doing so would feel like admitting their mistakes, so it's more probable they'll double down.
- samcat116 4y agoDidn't take too long, it seems https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168
- RivieraKid 4y agoGood. Really glad to see this.
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- petesergeant 4y agoReddit seems exceptionally well-placed to take a huge investment and just rebuild Twitter. They already have ads, content moderation, experience with scale, etc
- swayvil 4y agoThat's messed up. When it happens in a subreddit we just roll our eyes and blame it on pubescent adderall addicts. But the musk is supposed to be above all that. Does any other platform practice this clearly ludicrous policy?
- ideamotor 4y agoThe phrase “likes the smell of his own farts” doesn’t do him justice.
- NN88 4y agoThis hurts artists in the worst way who used linktr.ee sites to promote their work across platforms. This isn't about adult content, in the slightest.
- nootropicat 4y agoDoes this guy not realize how much he fucked up his Mars idea? You would have to be insane to live in a place controlled by him.
- jwond 4y agoNow that they’ve made it abundantly clear that the whole “free speech absolutism” approach is obviously not being pursued, I don’t see why Twitter didn’t just take the same approach that was used when Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. deplatformed Parler. Just claim that these platforms are filled with hate speech and violent rhetoric, and cherry-pick a few examples to use as evidence. As for the banning of ElonJet and some journalists for sharing location information, they should just say the new policy is being implemented to combat “stochastic terrorism.”
- mabbo 4y agoIf you want to understand why Elon Musk does anything that he does, you just have to ask yourself: what does he think will make him the most money at this moment? Why did he say he wanted a big free speech platform? Because he thought saying that would make him the most money. Why is he now banning mentioning other platforms? Because he thinks that will make Twitter more money. He doesn't have fundamental beliefs. He just wants more money, and has accidentally painted himself into a $44B corner.
- lawn 4y agoAnd the corollary is that Musk is not a genius, but just a fool. I mean, if his goal was to make more money with Twitter, is it possible to have done a worse job?
- unglaublich 4y agoWhen will people finally realize what a fool Musk is?
- electrondood 4y agoFunny how they started enforcing this weeks before it was even in their TOS. What kind of social media platform bans links to the rest of the internet?
- DoreenMichele 4y agoMy understanding: When the Titanic sank, almost all the poor people died because it was standard policy to lock the gates at all times and prevent them from coming up on deck from their cheap accommodations. No one thought to unlock them as the ship began to sink. Locking the gates after people begin trying to flee like rats from a sinking ship seems like rather desperate behavior and won't stop the ship from sinking. It reads like someone hemorrhaging money who has no clue how to entice people to want to be there, how to foster good conversation etc and is defaulting to habits that grow out of having power over people of a sort he does not have over Twitter membership. I thought about passive-aggressively posting a movie clip of the Titanic sinking and the locked gates on Twitter but that's the behavior of someone afraid to speak their mind. I have fewer than 400 followers and no meaningful engagement that I'm aware of. Perhaps I won't know what I've got til it's gone, but Elon Musk is welcome to ban me if this comment is a bridge too far for the man. Policy on HN is "Move slow and preserve things." People swear this site never changes, though it does. It just does so unobtrusively. A lot of social stuff is hard to learn, even harder to teach, especially to someone doing it all wrong who wants to believe someone else's behavior is The Problem, the whole problem and nothing but the problem. Social things don't work that way. It takes two people actively cooperating to tango. It only takes one fool determined to step on everyone's feet to make it impossible to dance at all. Not sure what my next step is, but it seems it's time to plan for a future without Twitter. This is the behavior of someone who has no clue how social media actually works. Edit: I will add that "free speech proponent" as a platform policy is always a shit show and only someone incredibly naive, to put it charitably, would think that's a great thing to promote as their official position/policy.
- Nomentatus 4y agoNot quite true re the Titanic, but the rich did do much better: https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/Titanic-100-Years-Later-Social-Class-and-Survival-A-Public-Health-Perspective https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/Titanic-100-Years-Later-... Musk isn't being smooth, but he may yet find his way. Here's hoping.
- blairfrandeen 4y agoI was never really into Twitter, but this inspired me to log in and link to my mastodon account. I was gonna delete my account anyway
- moab 4y agoWhat a hypocrite. Elon is now living in an alternate reality where he is being constantly persecuted, defamed, and under attack. I wish him all the best, but based on our great works of literature (think Macbeth), it's usually all downhill from here. Was Grimes his Lady Macbeth? One can wonder.
- jchw 4y agoThat's the plan? Lock the doors to the exit? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Oh, I try to avoid reductive, knee-jerk responses. However. There's occasionally something so mindbendingly stupid, that it's hard to come up with a way of responding that would qualify as "reductive." And if there were one such moment in 2022, this would be it. What an unbelievable show of arrogance, misunderstanding of the internet, and blatant disregard for any reasonable ideals. Elon Musk and Twitter were truly meant for eachother.
- martythemaniak 4y agoHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Sorry, just last week a buddy said something like "Musk could inspire great, dedicated engineers to join because they'll be inspired by his free speech stance". I had a good laugh, but maybe my friend was not very up to date on Twitter drama. Surely after this past week's purges and this "policy" nobody could believe anything of the sort. Does anyone still think something like the statement above? I'd love to hear the reasoning.
- bigbillheck 4y ago> Surely after this past week's purges and this "policy" nobody could believe anything of the sort Don't be absurd.
- seydor 4y agoYeah like they aren't going to change it again in 25 minutes
- aero-glide2 4y agoThis is beyond reprehensible. I have so far not criticized twitter - I think its a great platform and I just wrote off small failures as issues new management faces in its experimental phase. But not even the most censor-happy platform has such an out-of-touch and ridiculous rule. Because of this, I am now deleting my twitter account and refuse to use twitter anymore.
- captainmuon 4y agoSeriously, why do employees at Twitter comply with all this? Just because Musk signed some paper shouldn't mean that he gets to decide. (Don't say he is the owner and has the rights, I know the factual legal situation. I'm talking about what should be.) We need more civil disobedience. Somebody should "occupy" the servers. Somebody should say "no". And because they are organized, when Musk tries to kick them out, security would just shrug and stand aside. Seriously, I thought there were more rebellious people in SV.
- ancapsfascists 4y agoBecause if they don't they have 60 days before they get deported.
- jacquesm 4y agoI think Musk fails to understand what the 'social' in social media stands for, if people can no longer freely link to content elsewhere on the web then that's the end of Twitter. Social media exists by virtue of its inbound and outbound links.
- kalleboo 4y agoAt this point it's really hard to not start believing the conspiracy theories about him destroying the site on purpose - it's just so farcical
- jacquesm 4y agoIf not for him trying to get out of it through a lawsuit first it would indeed be hard. But even taking that into account it isn't such a stretch, after all, once it became obvious he was going to be on the hook for executing the deal the next question would have been: how to get maximum mileage out of this. The one thing that still has me holding back from that conclusion is that Elon apparently values Twitter more than he does either his money or the Tesla brand, both of which appear to be on fire.
- slowhadoken 4y agoI don’t get why people are dogpiling on Musk. It seems like a virtue signal to panicking about this guy.
- RivieraKid 4y agoFor anyone thinking that Elon has changed - he hasn't, it's just that the mask is slipping more often due to stress and an increasing feeling of invulnerability. He was like this 5 years ago - taking pleasure in publicly humiliating employees, attacking journalists, outbursts of rage during which he shouts and curses, lying, emailing journalists to write about him (in early days of Tesla). I recommend "The sociopath next door" or the JCS channel on YouTube to understand this personality type.
- electrondood 4y ago"Free speech!" restores users banned for violating the TOS Advertisers flee. "Oh shit." "turns out we had the TOS for a reason" discovers that Apple has their own TOS, and 40% of users are on iOS declares war on Apple meets Tim Cook, looks at pond "ok guys, no war" bans journalists public outcry adds rule against "doxxing" to TOS immediately violates own rule by posting license plate and asking 100m followers to identify person EU stares in regulation holds sham poll to reinstate journalists users flee to competitors bans links to competitors, but not rightwing platforms
- __bjoernd 4y agoWalled garden. The whole point of the internet is linking to other content. What a mess have we made of it.
- spritefs 4y agoI wouldn't be surprised if there was a bunch of backlash to this and he did the "Vox Populi, Vox Dei" thing again and backtracked like with the recent journalist banning Why are we giving this guy so much mental real estate? I'd rather just shun him and his products, let him dig his own grave
- belst 4y agohttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176
- viraptor 4y agoTo save a click, it's Elon a few months back tweeting "The acid test for any two competing socioeconomic systems is which side needs to build a wall to keep people from escaping? That’s the bad one!"
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- red_trumpet 4y agoDid they really post this shortly after (or during?) the World Cup Finale? Wayback Machine has the first timestamp at 17:36 GMT[1]. World cup finale started at 15:00 GMT. What a great example of burying! [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221218173806/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://web.archive.org/web/20221218173806/https://help.twit...
- noncoml 4y agoIf I’m allowed some generalizations, I think it’s safe to assume that his current behavior is not new. He has no morals. He uses whatever legal ways he has to achieve his goals. And if I can generalize a bit more, probably most rich people do and that’s how they got there. The lesson here is don’t expect to become rich or wealthy by being a do gooder.
- lousken 4y agoseems like Elon has dementia, already forgot what he said about free speech...
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago> Prohibited platforms: > Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr > 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio Interestingly, TikTok is not banned. Lines well with Musk cozying up with the CCP. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/elon-musk-twitter-fauci-lab-leak-chinese-communist-party-tesla.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/elon-musk-twitter-fa...
- SpacePortKnight 4y agoUnlike the majority of comments here, I think its fine & rather quite impressive actually. Doesn't it look like how you would normally experiment to discover more about something? You try out several edge cases, observe the results and learn from it. Twitter is likely using extensive telemetry to observe the behavior of it's users and is now just running extreme experiments until they find something that shoots up the engagement. If this doesn't work, I am sure Elon can easily revert this policy and make a statement on how he listened to the people.
- haxiomic 4y agoThis is a great plan if you're working with rocks or particles but these are human beings, once they distrust you it's pretty hard to get that back. Technologists treating human beings as inanimate objects of optimisation captures what I find so disheartening about the trends in our field
- SpacePortKnight 4y agoEthically I agree and yet it'll certainly be interesting if this strategy works. It may bring in new discoveries on how people organize themselves on social media and how a new social media can be created or destroyed.
- haxiomic 4y agoAgreed, results will be interesting either way You’re right of course that this would have been done with strategy in mind
- EGreg 4y agoI think putting this policy in place is actually good for Twitter's bottom line. People will be promoting all kinds of competitors and trying to get people on Twitter to retweet those things. A competitor is some site that acts as a third party, not the actual media article or primary thing to link to. So Twitter having this model makes business sense. Does it makes Elon Musk a hypocrite? Of course it does!!! Capitalism restricts free speech, and even compels other speech. Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtkvG1JnPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtkvG1JnPk Anytime an employee (e.g. a news anchor) has to stay away from topics, repeat talking points, or get fired and replaced by an organization, that is capitalism at work. They are an employee being used as a mouthpiece, not a human being saying what they really think. Capitalism and private ownership of large organizations is not about freedom. The concept of ownership is literally about restricting other people's freedoms to do as they wish with what you own, and compelling employees to do this or that, or get fired. There's this weird assumption that capitalism somehow encourages free speech. And guys like Elon Musk and Donald Trump are therefore associated with it, and allowed to spew garbage about Free Speech, because they're billionaire capitalists. Um, no. To go in depth, watch this interview I did with Noam Chomsky last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovxY1qBfek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovxY1qBfek
- areoform 4y agoSo far no one seems to have discussed that this choice is the worst possible decision Mr. Musk could have made, which is impressive, because it's not often that you can credibly state that. His actions have compelled everyone to ask the question that shouldn't have to be asked. Is this the man whom you'd like to hand the keys to a global communications network to? SpaceX's real customer, the one who signs most of the cheques, is the US Government. And right now, after ambitiously building out a cutting-edge satellite communications network, SpaceX is trying to sell them a battlefield communications network, https://www.spacex.com/starshield/ https://www.spacex.com/starshield/ Their customer isn't dumb. The customer has been aggressively going back to their old friends and are getting them to create a parallel version of this network, > The new birds will host sensors that comprise seven capability layers, to seamlessly perform data communications, track hypersonic and cruise missiles, and provide enhanced battle management, navigation, ground support, and deterrence from space. Lockheed Martin and York Space Systems are each building 10 satellites for the initial data communications transport layer, while L3Harris Technologies and SpaceX will develop four satellites each for an advanced missile tracking layer. The average cost of these satellites is about $14.1 million, per Tournear. https://www.sda.mil/us-military-places-a-bet-on-leo-for-space-security/ https://www.sda.mil/us-military-places-a-bet-on-leo-for-spac... More recently, > SDA recently awarded nearly $1.8 billion in contracts for 126 satellites for the Transport Layer. By some estimates, about $500 million of that total would be for optical terminals, said Michael Abad-Santos, senior vice president of business development and strategy at BridgeComm, a Denver-based optical communications startup. https://spacenews.com/dod-space-agency-funds-development-of-laser-terminal-that-connects-to-multiple-satellite-at-once/ https://spacenews.com/dod-space-agency-funds-development-of-... SpaceX's cut has been a tiny sliver so far. And so they're seeking to upsell their central customer and they're doing this by playing as nice as possible. SpaceX is packaging interoperability into StarLink and is offering the customer the ability to integrate additional payloads. > Starlink's inter-satellite laser communications terminal, which is the only communications laser operating at scale in orbit today, can be integrated onto partner satellites to enable incorporation into the Starshield network. But what they're really doing is that they're telling the DoD to entrust their battlefield comms and some portion of their launch detection capabilities to them. To let a private company develop and help operate their very shiny new toy. A toy that's likely to become the future of warfare. And in the middle of all of these talks. A certain someone announced that he'd be cutting off Ukraine — a place where the customer is fighting an active proxy war & has a substantial geopolitical + practical vested interest – from a version of the fancy constellation they want to upsell the customer on. Not only that, the CEO of SpaceX then more or less steps back from his active role, doesn't relinquish his title and starts spending his time launching attacks on some of the customer's sub-departments. Accuses the customer's sub-departments of (relatively unfounded) corruption and creates a political headache for senior leaders at the customer. The SpaceX CEO's replacement, the SpaceX COO, is very levelheaded and competent. Someone the customer can do business with, but the CEO hasn't given this person any true power or control. The CEO is unwilling to let go. And even more recently, the bizarre attacks have transformed into erratic behavior and a very public (and embarrassing) meltdown of the CEO. The customer is watching this and asking themselves the deca-billion dollar question, Is this the man whom you'd like to hand the keys to a global communications network to? Now, the customer has been nervous about the CEO for some time. Things have been building up to this for some time now. And some sub-departments of the customer have been using their deep pockets to prop up potential competitors and force existing laggards to achieve parity. But it'll take time for results to materialize. https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2021/04/06/lockheed-martin-space-abl-small-satellites-ula.html https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2021/04/06/lockheed-... https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/01/rocket-lab-carves-off-defense-focused-subsidiary-for-national-security-customers/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/01/rocket-lab-carves-off-defe... https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2772358/new-program-helps-dual-use-hardware-startups-accelerate-product-development/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/27... https://spacenews.com/spinlaunch-joins-cadre-of-small-launch-companies-dod-wants-to-try-out/ https://spacenews.com/spinlaunch-joins-cadre-of-small-launch... https://spacenews.com/dod-wants-to-change-how-it-buys-space-technology-but-can-it/ https://spacenews.com/dod-wants-to-change-how-it-buys-space-... So most of their eggs are already in this basket, and they're stuck. For now. Should the customer commit even more resources & critical functionality to this basket? What if the CEO has an episode and decides to shut off the network impromptu? Who would stop him in the short term? Who has the power to stop him inside the company? No one. Of course, if the CEO did that, the customer would step in with guns and politely force the CEO to divest from the company and resign. It's not like they haven't done this before, https://spacenews.com/russian-co-founders-out-of-momentus/ https://spacenews.com/russian-co-founders-out-of-momentus/ But if it comes to that, it's going to become a political headache. And some damage would have already been done. Maybe even gotten people killed. The customer doesn't really like unnecessary embarrassments. Their plate is, after all, already full of the many, many things their many, many, many sub-departments do (and screw up). --- Making predictions is difficult. Especially if they're about the future. But right now, it seems that SpaceX will either undergo a leadership shakeup, or they'll come to an agreement of some sort with the Pentagon. Stasis seems to be unsustainable.
- RivieraKid 4y agoPaul Graham's reaction: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 "This is the last straw. I give up. You can find a link to my new Mastodon profile on my site."
- shmerl 4y agoSounds like a blatant anti-trust violation. Musk is a massive jerk as usual. Those who sold Twitter to him aren't any better though.
- nathias 4y agomonopolists behave like monopolists if you let them
- 323 4y agoInteresting how TikTok is missing from the list.
- bowsamic 4y agoThere’s absolutely no pro free speech excuse for this one
- hakanderyal 4y agoPG just announced he is moving to Mastodon[0][1]. This policy can be rolled back, but the trust is eroding, and it's much harder to rebuild. People will be more and more afraid of spending time&effort to cultivate an audience on Twitter. For me, it'll require a leadership/ownership change, which is not that likely? PG can do it, his audience will follow. Not everyone has that luxury. Especially for those who are at the beginning, and need to be where the community is. But I see this as a powerful signal of things to come. [0]: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 [1]: https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg
- jacquesm 4y agoSmart man. Paul has carried water for Elon in the past when few would have done so publicly and for him to call this is a big milestone.
- guelo 4y agoI actually think leadership/ownership change is pretty likely. With the network shrinking instead of growing it's less likely by the day that Twitter is going to be able to make payments on the ridiculous debt Elon saddled it with. At some points the banks will takeover to salvage what they can.
- hakanderyal 4y agoI haven't thought about that angle, it makes sense. But I'm not sure it'll happen in the near future.
- idlewords 4y agoThere's two distinct issues here; one is the content of the rule (that many people have already posted smart things about), and the other is Twitter's new system of governance via Calvinball, where rules are made up on the fly and are often at odds with the basic culture of the site (for example, the sudden prohibition on sharing location info). It doesn't help that the rules are capriciously enforced. The situation will probably continue until Musk finds a new squirrel to chase up a different tree and Twitter gets an adult caretaker. Jeff Bezos could do public discourse a real solid here by proclaiming he's just about ready to fly to Mars.
- red_trumpet 4y agoDon't forget that recent rules (like this one, or the one about live tracking people's location) seem to be made to retroactively justify previous moderation actions.
- fzeroracer 4y agoThis is insanity and the policy that will kill Twitter instantly. There is a large part of art, writing Twitter that use it as cross promotion and with this policy in place they're just not gonna be on Twitter anymore.
- spikeagally 4y agoAre they trying to drive users away? I was initially interested in what Musk might do to improve Twitter - I’ve since logged off, haven’t used it in a couple of weeks, and haven’t missed it one bit. No plans to return or even use an alternative. He talks about doing good for humanity, and if he drives people away from the tribalism of Twitter and tanks it, he may actually succeed at that goal!
- red_trumpet 4y agoAs link gathering sites like https://linktr.ee/ https://linktr.ee/ are affected by this, I wonder if Twitter will still allow linking to a personal homepage with other social media links?
- patrec 4y agoIf Elon feels sore about having burned $44B on Twitter now, I wonder how he'll feel once he realizes that it's actually Gab/Parler he's bought. And discovers the hard way that Twitter's ex-leadership could afford to bully and piss off the MAGA right to a far greater extent than he could afford to piss off the Bay Area left (the the two are not equivalent in intellectual output, sway over the mainstream, attractiveness to advertisers, or ability to build alternative platforms). And this particular move will irritate people right across the political spectrum.
- ricklamers 4y agoUsing Twitter must be what it feels like to submit oneself to an authoritarian regime
- calltrak 4y agoI had a devil of a time trying to promote my linkinBio tool BiggerBio on twitter. https://Bigger.Bio https://Bigger.Bio
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- aaomidi 4y agoDudes a 12 year old Minecraft server admin. This is literally the same type of rule of “don’t advertise other Minecraft servers”
- shp0ngle 4y agoFree speech absolutist LOL
- jacquesm 4y agoAt least now we know what the 'Coup de grace' was referring to. I'm not sure if Elon realizes yet that it is mostly his own neck that is in the balance here.
- jtmb 4y agoI don't see how you even pretend to rationalize this thinking as anything other than "I'm banning specific things I don't like and cutting some rule that sorta fits that" afterwards
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- QuadrupleA 4y agoSo childish & tyrannical. Not that it matters in the slightest but I think I'm done interacting with any of Elon Musk's business ventures.
- santopol 4y ago"I haven't "left Twitter." I just don't want to keep using it while it's banning links to other sites. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn more about Mastodon." https://mas.to/@paulg/109536542792559441 https://mas.to/@paulg/109536542792559441
- hrpnk 4y agoWaiting for a questionnaire with 10 multi-choice questions to be filled before posting to Twitter to ensure you understand and comply with the current rules ;-)
- srcreigh 4y agoAt least it’s explicit policy. FB messenger likes to fail to send signal URLs, mark PushBullet URLs as unsafe. Deprioritize YT links in the FB feed too. It’s not an official policy, just plausible denial secret policy. I respect Elon for making decisions quickly. I’m sure with good hypotheses behind them. And especially how he is always doing it very much in the open. Transparent, decisive, opinionated leadership won’t make everyone happy but at least it’s a short feedback loop with someone who cares. And if you think this is anti competitive, I ask you to reconsider your priorities. How about the digital advertising industry eliminating most other software industries by taking giant losses to provide complete suites of apps for free?
- nightfly 4y agoHe started off by acting like it was because links to the plane tracker existed on Mastodon though. This "transparency" is reluctant and lags behind the actual policy change.
- srcreigh 4y agoAgain, you are benefiting from transparency of his opinions to form your own opinion. I think you being able to disagree is valuable, and I’m not really trying to change your mind either.
- nightfly 4y agoHe lied, got caught since it was completely obvious what he was actually doing, and had to fess up to to. That's not transparency and calling it that is giving him way too much credit
- slackr 4y agoI live in the EU and just filed a complaint https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures/complaints_en https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures...
- HeavyStorm 4y agoYeah, that's too fucking much. I've been watching with a curious eye the developments at Twitter. I'm already not an active user, but I won't condone this kind of behavior.
- imwillofficial 4y agoThe lack of clarity in this policy, and resulting confusing tells me it is a badly written policy that needs another go in the editing room.
- puglr 4y agoGiven that a @username account exists on mastodon, I wonder if simply tweeting a screenshot of this policy would itself be a violation of the policy.
- schemescape 4y agoThe breadcrumb links are hilarious: > Help Center > Safety and cybercrime > Promotion of alternative social platforms policy
- RobLach 4y agoDirect violation of the EU Digital Markets Act Which explicitly requires "gatekeeper platforms" (like Twitter) to allow linking to other businesses. https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en#who-are-the-gatekeepers https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-... Violation is a fine up to 10% of annual revenue, then 20% for repeated infringements.
- tareqak 4y agoThe Streisand Effect encoded as a Term of Service [0][1]. As of 2:22 PM Pacific Time: > What is a violation of this policy? > At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL: > Prohibited platforms: > Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr > 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio Examples: > “follow me @username on Instagram” > “username@mastodon.social” > “check out my profile on Facebook - facebook.com/username” 1) Why are only specific social media platforms banned, but the entire category of “3rd-party social media link aggregators”? Where is Reddit? Where is HN (this forum)? Where is Sina Weibo [2]? Where is VK [3]? Where is Parler [4]? 2) What would happen if different third party websites were used as link aggregators? This could be an individual website’s “Links”/“Socials”/“Contact Us” page, or something like an HN/GitHub/LinkedIn/etc profile page. What about the *chans? 3) What about discussion happening via different text media like Slack/Discord/IRC and the text descriptions in YouTube and TikTok videos? 4) What about text embedded as part of the video itself? 5) What about websites constructed with easy-to-guess login and password or a series of captchas? Personal observation/feeling: This entire situation seems like an arms race between the richest troll playing whack-a-mole against the rest of the Internet where the moral and/or legal high ground shifts between the parties each round. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sina_Weibo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sina_Weibo [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_(service) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_(service) [4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler
- anuraaga 4y agoAnyone find any particularly nice memes or comics regarding free speech absolutionist, only when convenient?
- fncivivue7 4y agoMeh, private company. He can do whatever he wants. Don't like it? Leave.
- ferbass 4y agoPage not found; it looks like they took it down.
- mprime1 4y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20221218223056/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://web.archive.org/web/20221218223056/https://help.twit...
- aivisol 4y agoDoes it depend on your location? I am in EU and the page does not exist.
- detaro 4y agoYou are a few hours late, they've changed their mind again already https://web.archive.org/web/20221218194037/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://web.archive.org/web/20221218194037/https://help.twit...
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- mcv 4y agoThe linked page is already gone again. I'm getting a 404. Looks like Twitter is moving and breaking things a bit too fast at the moment.
- ColinWright 4y agoNow down, but still available for reference via the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20221218200110/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://web.archive.org/web/20221218200110/https://help.twit... Consider contributing to them.
- KETpXDDzR 4y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20221218185446/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy https://web.archive.org/web/20221218185446/https://help.twit...