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The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almos

by paulgb 4y ago

The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

matwood 4y ago
Agreed. And the fact they are blocking mastodon shows it must be impacting Twitter user numbers.
- masklinn 4y ago
  Or, just as likely, mastodon users are elon critics and thus hurt his feelings, which is a bannable offense. Thus mastodon cross-posting and reposting is a proxy for bannable offenses, and therefore a bannable offense.
  - lrgart 4y ago
    - 0ct4via 4y ago
    - atoav 4y ago
      > If they had merely done what Musk does now If they had merely done what Musk CLAIMS he does. But what he claims is not what he actually does do. That flight tracker he banned is based on publicly available information that everybody can legally access, at the same time he posts someones license plate for weird paranoid reasons. How can he be against doxing when he does it himself with people other than himself? > there is certainly way more speech now than before Speech does not get more free, when there is more of it. Speech replaces other speech. There are certain things you can say on a anonymous image board you cannot say anywhere else. But there are also certain discourse you can have in other places that would not be possible elsewhere.
    - bboygravity 4y ago
      > While Musk can no longer claim to be a free speech absolutist, What are the arguments for this?? Is it because he's blocking live trackers (from Mastodon or otherwise) for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination or is there like.. an actual good reason/example for this statement?
      - richbell 4y ago
        > for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination Are you talking about the alleged incident that demonstrably had no connection to his jet tracker, and was so scary he didn't file a police report? > an actual good reason/example for this statement? How about him banning journalists for merely reporting the news and falsely claiming they doxed his address? Or him acting like a big baby and blocking anyone who doesn't stroke his ego?
      - _djo_ 4y ago
        Every other notable person who is genuinely at risk of political assassination implements actually useful methods to prevent it, such as using good opsec, having a solid security team, not flying on the same three private jets everywhere, not travelling in rare and easily identifiable vehicles like prototype Cybertrucks, and not revealing their own location through tweets. There are companies that specialise in helping with all of this as a service, including booking charters, hotels, and other tickets through difficult-to-trace intermediaries. They also work closely with law enforcement. Musk has not been carrying out any of the practices of someone worried about assassination, and the idea that @ElonJet did anything to increase the risk of him or his family being attacked is ludicrous. The account wasn't even active at the time of the alleged attack on his child. The extent to which people will defend the baseless claims of Musk just because of who he is blows my mind.
      - sandworm101 4y ago
        He can simple hire/fly in someone else's plane. This isnt a tracker on him. It is a tracker on his own vanity.
        clort 4y ago
  - artgq 4y ago
    - deleted 4y ago
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- weinzierl 4y ago
  First they ignore you, then they laugh at you but when they start fighting you, you know you've won.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    It has to first get a little more extreem. They have to not just fight but start killing. Look at Napster. Napster was attacked and eventually died. But napster also won. CD sales are dead and we all download/stream music online. Mastadon will soon be attacked directly. It will also probably die as napster: a first cassualty of a revolution. What matters are the long-term changes that survive.
    - cmatthias 4y ago
      Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.
      - sandworm101 4y ago
        There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.
        mcv 4y ago
        The instances can move to jurisdictions where the regulatory burdens and legal liabilities are slightly different.
        rdpintqogeogsaa 4y ago
        GDPR exists right now, actually, and most instances are far from in compliance.
        ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
- rapnie 4y ago
  Mastodon wouldn't have become so popular if it weren't for all these Elon actions. Elon is single-handedly leading a massive 'Streisand Marketing' campaign to sublime perfection.
  - vidarh 4y ago
    The graphs are quite remarkable. Signups are nowhere near the peak but still 10x+ as high as before, and peaking everytime Musk does something new.
  - johnaspden 4y ago
    It's true, I have no idea what Mastodon is, but if some bastard's trying to stop me finding out about it, I am going to go and find out about it right now!
    - f38zf5vdt 4y ago
      I am pretty amazed by how good mastodon actually is. It's like Twitter without the noise. The website defaults to chronological order and very few people assault others with crazy radical comments, because there are no rage-promoting attention-grabbing algorithms in place.
Geee 4y ago
- bmitc 4y ago
  There have been several reports of people updating their profile with links to their Mastodon profile only to be told by Twitter that the update failed because it contained malware and other such issues.
  - Geee 4y ago
    It's just easier and faster to implement a 'block-all' filter and refine it later if needed. The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done.
    - rvz 4y ago
      > The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done. There you go. The outrage is a storm in a tea cup and Twitter has done this before in the past [0] with only techies here having a tantrum about it. It is indeed hilarious to see this manufactured outrage as people struggle to bother signing up to Mastodon as the 200M+ daily active users on Twitter still do not care to move. The moment users ask, 'which server do I sign up to? It says, sign ups are closed. Find another instance' or and when journalists realize their reach is limited because the instance they signed up on got permanently banned by other instances [1] then it isn't surprising to see why many of the 200M+ Twitter users haven't bothered to move anywhere else. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607941 [1] https://twitter.com/ajaromano/status/1594432548222152705 https://twitter.com/ajaromano/status/1594432548222152705
      - femiagbabiaka 4y ago
        So it’s ok to wholesale ban links to a competitor because the competitor is incompetent? You’ve jumped the shark.
jl6 4y ago
Comedy is now legal on Twitter.
- tjpnz 4y ago
  Only if it doesn't include parody or bruise Elon's fragile ego.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    - masklinn 4y ago
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      - willcipriano 4y ago
    - 1attice 4y ago
      - soheil 4y ago
    - tehwebguy 4y ago
      Offending the DNC was never a bannable offense. Check out left Twitter if you get a second.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    The real comedy is the jokes that dont bruise his ego, the jokes he doesnt get. The emperor believed he was wearing clothes for most of the story. Only at the end did he realize everyone was laughing. Ironic flattering cuts deepest.
sandworm101 4y ago
Lol. Kneecapping competitors is what billionaires do. You dont win capitalism by following all the rules.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  How many users will stay on Twitter because of this? And how many will leave because of it? My guess: it's an extra indication that Twitter is not a reliable platform to build an audience. Billionaires are billionaires because they build a product that everybody wants.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    > Billionaires are billionaires because they build a product that everybody wants. That's a pretty wild claim.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    Twitter and "reliable"? Was that ever really a thing?
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      Yes? That’s why you have entire media businesses built on top of it.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  It's what all people do when they have the ability.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    Maybe the Machiavellian among us. The average person or company doesn't pull literally every lever of power to defeat competitors out of principal. When someone stole the coke recipe and tried to sell it to Pepsi, Pepsi called the cops. When the power goes out, power companies work together to get it back... Except Enron, which is now dead.
SilverBirch 4y ago
I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating it.
- mcv 4y ago
  He's actually not coming across as that much more competent. He seems to be running Twitter into the ground, rather than improving it.
- fastball 4y ago
  Musk's behavior in this whole thing seems far from competent.
  - cactusplant7374 4y ago
    He's the CEO of five companies and he just landed in Qatar to party at the world cup. His worth ethic is suspect and the stuff of myths. Supposedly he never stops working but he's an expert at Elden Ring.
    - wongarsu 4y ago
      Musk being CEO is not really like a startup founder being CEO. For example at SpaceX the company is basically run by Gwynne Shotwell, with Elon being the visionary and face of the company, with the clout and authority to dive deep into any part of the company he thinks is important right now and help facilitate or micro-manage stuff. But when he is occupied elsewhere for a couple months the gears keep turning without him just fine. I imagine his other companies (with the notable exception of Twitter) work the same.
      - cactusplant7374 4y ago
        * A few months ago SpaceX was on the verge of bankruptcy according to Musk. * Tesla's stock is down and they haven't done any innovation in a long time. FSD is a complete failure. Musk's tweets are hurting the brand. People don't want to buy an alt-right electric car and Elon has become the brand. * Revenue dramatically decreased at Twitter since Musk took over the company. Likely headed towards bankruptcy in the near future. * Neuralink is a pipe dream that conducts unnecessary experiments that kill animals. He copied all the experiments of the lead academic researcher and passed them off as his own. There is nothing novel about what they have done. * Boring Co. hasn't built anything of value. In fact, they have backed out of numerous projects. It's a complete and total dereliction of duty.
agumonkey 4y ago
Yes, and how smooth it's been going. Human groups are still not well trained to resist this (especially if the rumor of remaining employees being under work visas)
jhgfjhfgjg 4y ago
What about the pivot from "This is a private company. Free speech doesn't apply" to "This is censorship of free speech"?
- mcv 4y ago
  I don't really see that pivot. Only the opposite in Musk. What people are complaining about is his hypocrisy: he claimed not to ban anyone except when required by law, but instead it looks like he's banning more people, and more arbitrarily, than Twitter ever did before his takeover. Sure he has the right to do so, but it makes him a liar and a hypocrite.
- api 4y ago
  I have seen a bit of that but most including myself still hold the same opinion. A private silo is not a free speech zone. Twitter wasn’t before Elon and isn’t now and never will be. There’s layers of irony here. All the “libs” who were supposedly pro censorship ran off to the actual free speech zone. The Fediverse is almost uncensorable since you can hop instances or just run your own. There is a difference though. It has no algorithm that boosts “engaging” content like craziness, hate, and trolling. I’ve always thought that what the far right was so mad about was loss of a free propaganda ploy that involved baiting the algorithm. You can always have free speech in a million places but a free promotion machine isn’t easily replaceable. Of course the worst excesses of “cancel culture” were also driven by the algorithm. Moral outrage mobs increase engagement just like racism and wacko conspiracy theories do. I personally hope centralized all encompassing social media burns. It’s driven all the craziest excesses everywhere.
  - Pxtl 4y ago
    Individual fediverse nodes can implement whatever moderation policies they like, and are free to defederate from nodes whose policies they disagree with. So it's not really "uncensorable".
    - pkilgore 4y ago
      You're free to leave the node. That's not censorship, it's the node owner's own free speech rights.
lettergram 4y ago
Pretty sure Musk was discussing freedom of ideas. That said; many of us also thought Kanye shouldn’t have been banned. Few on hacker news agreed lol You either have absolute freedom of speech or none, in many ways. That said, I appreciate that at least people are being told why they are banned. The prior set of billionaires who owned Twitter often wouldn’t say why. Blocking links to competitors, blocking real-time tracking of people, and a guy telling the world how great hitler is are fairly mundane / reasonable things to block imo.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > at least people are being told why they are banned This is not even true. "i did not delete anything. i received no notification about which tweet got me suspended. i still have no idea" https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1604227164416925696 https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1604227164416925696
  - lettergram 4y ago
    Fair enough, perhaps it just seemed that way? Idk Also, interesting to see you on HN (didn’t realize you were in the tech space). I saw you on Tim Pools show, recognized the name
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > Also, interesting to see you on HN (didn’t realize you were in the tech space). I saw you on Tim Pools show, recognized the name I am not Matt Binder. I just linked to his tweet.
      - lettergram 4y ago
        Lol fair, then I’ll bring up how he was disingenuous on the Tim pool show (my impression anyway). Where he also advocated for abortion “after birth” and clearly was not being honest (or maybe he was idk lol). There were also several items of discussion where it appeared there were outward attempts to deceive. I don’t view that dude as overly credible. I personally have seen most people receiving a clear explanation. Previously, I’d had accounts banned without ANY explanation. I’m still suppressed in comment responses for some reason (on a different account)

by paulgb 4y ago

matwood 4y ago

Agreed. And the fact they are blocking mastodon shows it must be impacting Twitter user numbers.

masklinn 4y ago
Or, just as likely, mastodon users are elon critics and thus hurt his feelings, which is a bannable offense. Thus mastodon cross-posting and reposting is a proxy for bannable offenses, and therefore a bannable offense.
- lrgart 4y ago
  - 0ct4via 4y ago
  - atoav 4y ago
    > If they had merely done what Musk does now If they had merely done what Musk CLAIMS he does. But what he claims is not what he actually does do. That flight tracker he banned is based on publicly available information that everybody can legally access, at the same time he posts someones license plate for weird paranoid reasons. How can he be against doxing when he does it himself with people other than himself? > there is certainly way more speech now than before Speech does not get more free, when there is more of it. Speech replaces other speech. There are certain things you can say on a anonymous image board you cannot say anywhere else. But there are also certain discourse you can have in other places that would not be possible elsewhere.
  - bboygravity 4y ago
    > While Musk can no longer claim to be a free speech absolutist, What are the arguments for this?? Is it because he's blocking live trackers (from Mastodon or otherwise) for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination or is there like.. an actual good reason/example for this statement?
    - richbell 4y ago
      > for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination Are you talking about the alleged incident that demonstrably had no connection to his jet tracker, and was so scary he didn't file a police report? > an actual good reason/example for this statement? How about him banning journalists for merely reporting the news and falsely claiming they doxed his address? Or him acting like a big baby and blocking anyone who doesn't stroke his ego?
    - _djo_ 4y ago
      Every other notable person who is genuinely at risk of political assassination implements actually useful methods to prevent it, such as using good opsec, having a solid security team, not flying on the same three private jets everywhere, not travelling in rare and easily identifiable vehicles like prototype Cybertrucks, and not revealing their own location through tweets. There are companies that specialise in helping with all of this as a service, including booking charters, hotels, and other tickets through difficult-to-trace intermediaries. They also work closely with law enforcement. Musk has not been carrying out any of the practices of someone worried about assassination, and the idea that @ElonJet did anything to increase the risk of him or his family being attacked is ludicrous. The account wasn't even active at the time of the alleged attack on his child. The extent to which people will defend the baseless claims of Musk just because of who he is blows my mind.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      He can simple hire/fly in someone else's plane. This isnt a tracker on him. It is a tracker on his own vanity.
      - clort 4y ago
- artgq 4y ago
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
weinzierl 4y ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you but when they start fighting you, you know you've won.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  It has to first get a little more extreem. They have to not just fight but start killing. Look at Napster. Napster was attacked and eventually died. But napster also won. CD sales are dead and we all download/stream music online. Mastadon will soon be attacked directly. It will also probably die as napster: a first cassualty of a revolution. What matters are the long-term changes that survive.
  - cmatthias 4y ago
    Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.
      - mcv 4y ago
        The instances can move to jurisdictions where the regulatory burdens and legal liabilities are slightly different.
      - rdpintqogeogsaa 4y ago
        GDPR exists right now, actually, and most instances are far from in compliance.
        ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
rapnie 4y ago
Mastodon wouldn't have become so popular if it weren't for all these Elon actions. Elon is single-handedly leading a massive 'Streisand Marketing' campaign to sublime perfection.
- vidarh 4y ago
  The graphs are quite remarkable. Signups are nowhere near the peak but still 10x+ as high as before, and peaking everytime Musk does something new.
- johnaspden 4y ago
  It's true, I have no idea what Mastodon is, but if some bastard's trying to stop me finding out about it, I am going to go and find out about it right now!
  - f38zf5vdt 4y ago
    I am pretty amazed by how good mastodon actually is. It's like Twitter without the noise. The website defaults to chronological order and very few people assault others with crazy radical comments, because there are no rage-promoting attention-grabbing algorithms in place.

Geee 4y ago

bmitc 4y ago
There have been several reports of people updating their profile with links to their Mastodon profile only to be told by Twitter that the update failed because it contained malware and other such issues.
- Geee 4y ago
  It's just easier and faster to implement a 'block-all' filter and refine it later if needed. The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done. There you go. The outrage is a storm in a tea cup and Twitter has done this before in the past [0] with only techies here having a tantrum about it. It is indeed hilarious to see this manufactured outrage as people struggle to bother signing up to Mastodon as the 200M+ daily active users on Twitter still do not care to move. The moment users ask, 'which server do I sign up to? It says, sign ups are closed. Find another instance' or and when journalists realize their reach is limited because the instance they signed up on got permanently banned by other instances [1] then it isn't surprising to see why many of the 200M+ Twitter users haven't bothered to move anywhere else. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607941 [1] https://twitter.com/ajaromano/status/1594432548222152705 https://twitter.com/ajaromano/status/1594432548222152705
    - femiagbabiaka 4y ago
      So it’s ok to wholesale ban links to a competitor because the competitor is incompetent? You’ve jumped the shark.

jl6 4y ago

Comedy is now legal on Twitter.

tjpnz 4y ago
Only if it doesn't include parody or bruise Elon's fragile ego.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  - masklinn 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - willcipriano 4y ago
  - 1attice 4y ago
    - soheil 4y ago
  - tehwebguy 4y ago
    Offending the DNC was never a bannable offense. Check out left Twitter if you get a second.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  The real comedy is the jokes that dont bruise his ego, the jokes he doesnt get. The emperor believed he was wearing clothes for most of the story. Only at the end did he realize everyone was laughing. Ironic flattering cuts deepest.

sandworm101 4y ago

Lol. Kneecapping competitors is what billionaires do. You dont win capitalism by following all the rules.

koonsolo 4y ago
How many users will stay on Twitter because of this? And how many will leave because of it? My guess: it's an extra indication that Twitter is not a reliable platform to build an audience. Billionaires are billionaires because they build a product that everybody wants.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  > Billionaires are billionaires because they build a product that everybody wants. That's a pretty wild claim.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Twitter and "reliable"? Was that ever really a thing?
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Yes? That’s why you have entire media businesses built on top of it.
koheripbal 4y ago
It's what all people do when they have the ability.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Maybe the Machiavellian among us. The average person or company doesn't pull literally every lever of power to defeat competitors out of principal. When someone stole the coke recipe and tried to sell it to Pepsi, Pepsi called the cops. When the power goes out, power companies work together to get it back... Except Enron, which is now dead.

SilverBirch 4y ago

I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating it.

mcv 4y ago
He's actually not coming across as that much more competent. He seems to be running Twitter into the ground, rather than improving it.
fastball 4y ago
Musk's behavior in this whole thing seems far from competent.
- cactusplant7374 4y ago
  He's the CEO of five companies and he just landed in Qatar to party at the world cup. His worth ethic is suspect and the stuff of myths. Supposedly he never stops working but he's an expert at Elden Ring.
  - wongarsu 4y ago
    Musk being CEO is not really like a startup founder being CEO. For example at SpaceX the company is basically run by Gwynne Shotwell, with Elon being the visionary and face of the company, with the clout and authority to dive deep into any part of the company he thinks is important right now and help facilitate or micro-manage stuff. But when he is occupied elsewhere for a couple months the gears keep turning without him just fine. I imagine his other companies (with the notable exception of Twitter) work the same.
    - cactusplant7374 4y ago
      * A few months ago SpaceX was on the verge of bankruptcy according to Musk. * Tesla's stock is down and they haven't done any innovation in a long time. FSD is a complete failure. Musk's tweets are hurting the brand. People don't want to buy an alt-right electric car and Elon has become the brand. * Revenue dramatically decreased at Twitter since Musk took over the company. Likely headed towards bankruptcy in the near future. * Neuralink is a pipe dream that conducts unnecessary experiments that kill animals. He copied all the experiments of the lead academic researcher and passed them off as his own. There is nothing novel about what they have done. * Boring Co. hasn't built anything of value. In fact, they have backed out of numerous projects. It's a complete and total dereliction of duty.

agumonkey 4y ago

Yes, and how smooth it's been going. Human groups are still not well trained to resist this (especially if the rumor of remaining employees being under work visas)

jhgfjhfgjg 4y ago

What about the pivot from "This is a private company. Free speech doesn't apply" to "This is censorship of free speech"?

mcv 4y ago
I don't really see that pivot. Only the opposite in Musk. What people are complaining about is his hypocrisy: he claimed not to ban anyone except when required by law, but instead it looks like he's banning more people, and more arbitrarily, than Twitter ever did before his takeover. Sure he has the right to do so, but it makes him a liar and a hypocrite.
api 4y ago
I have seen a bit of that but most including myself still hold the same opinion. A private silo is not a free speech zone. Twitter wasn’t before Elon and isn’t now and never will be. There’s layers of irony here. All the “libs” who were supposedly pro censorship ran off to the actual free speech zone. The Fediverse is almost uncensorable since you can hop instances or just run your own. There is a difference though. It has no algorithm that boosts “engaging” content like craziness, hate, and trolling. I’ve always thought that what the far right was so mad about was loss of a free propaganda ploy that involved baiting the algorithm. You can always have free speech in a million places but a free promotion machine isn’t easily replaceable. Of course the worst excesses of “cancel culture” were also driven by the algorithm. Moral outrage mobs increase engagement just like racism and wacko conspiracy theories do. I personally hope centralized all encompassing social media burns. It’s driven all the craziest excesses everywhere.
- Pxtl 4y ago
  Individual fediverse nodes can implement whatever moderation policies they like, and are free to defederate from nodes whose policies they disagree with. So it's not really "uncensorable".
  - pkilgore 4y ago
    You're free to leave the node. That's not censorship, it's the node owner's own free speech rights.

lettergram 4y ago

Pretty sure Musk was discussing freedom of ideas. That said; many of us also thought Kanye shouldn’t have been banned. Few on hacker news agreed lol You either have absolute freedom of speech or none, in many ways. That said, I appreciate that at least people are being told why they are banned. The prior set of billionaires who owned Twitter often wouldn’t say why. Blocking links to competitors, blocking real-time tracking of people, and a guy telling the world how great hitler is are fairly mundane / reasonable things to block imo.

lapcat 4y ago
> at least people are being told why they are banned This is not even true. "i did not delete anything. i received no notification about which tweet got me suspended. i still have no idea" https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1604227164416925696 https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1604227164416925696
- lettergram 4y ago
  Fair enough, perhaps it just seemed that way? Idk Also, interesting to see you on HN (didn’t realize you were in the tech space). I saw you on Tim Pools show, recognized the name
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Also, interesting to see you on HN (didn’t realize you were in the tech space). I saw you on Tim Pools show, recognized the name I am not Matt Binder. I just linked to his tweet.
    - lettergram 4y ago
      Lol fair, then I’ll bring up how he was disingenuous on the Tim pool show (my impression anyway). Where he also advocated for abortion “after birth” and clearly was not being honest (or maybe he was idk lol). There were also several items of discussion where it appeared there were outward attempts to deceive. I don’t view that dude as overly credible. I personally have seen most people receiving a clear explanation. Previously, I’d had accounts banned without ANY explanation. I’m still suppressed in comment responses for some reason (on a different account)