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The other jet accounts run by the same person such as Jeff Bezos's jets (https://twitter.com/bezosjets https://twitter.com/bezosjets) and Mark Zuckerberg's jets

The other jet accounts run by the same person such as Jeff Bezos's jets (https://twitter.com/bezosjets https://twitter.com/bezosjets) and Mark Zuckerberg's jets (https://twitter.com/zuccjet https://twitter.com/zuccjet) were also suspended. I look very much toward what moderation rationale Elon will give for this. He's most likely trying to avoid bias by banning all the jet accounts so he doesn't look like a hypocrite by only banning his own jet account (as noted in the previous thread), in which case, it's way too late for that. EDIT: The official ban reason for the personal account suspension is violating rules "against platform manipulation and spam" (which, lol) https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1603118347716939776 https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1603118347716939776

meepmorp 4y ago
It's weird to ban just the one account, then all the others several hours later. Really makes it look like Musk's personal reaction to criticism.
- te_chris 4y ago
  I mean just call it as it is: totally that. He’s so thin skinned and petty. He spent 44bil of various people’s money to do what, exactly? Apart from own the libs, that is
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    It’s only taken what? Weeks? For him to show that the moderation policy wasn’t the problem. He just cared about whose finger was on the button.
  - Teever 4y ago
    Elon is a cokehead who just bought the biggest cartel. We're watching a horrible social media addiction rage out of control in a person who has too many resources and power for anyone to tell him 'no'. Elon was probably always a POS but on some level I feel bad for him like I feel bad for Notch. all that money, power, and opportunity and they can't help but to spend it all terminally online bickering with other terminally online people. People don't choose to be like this.
    - api 4y ago
      I remember forum mod wars in the 2000s. Never thought there'd be billion dollar mod wars.
    - Firmwarrior 4y ago
      I don't feel too bad for him If I got that first huge multimillion dollar payout he hit early in his career, I would've stopped there. I'd still just be quietly living in a modest house in a small town decades later His twisted, broken personality is what enabled him to become a billionaire in the first place
      - SauciestGNU 4y ago
        Don't forget the birth lottery! I've lived in South Africa, and I've seen first-hand the human consequences of the policies that built his family wealth.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      I see a lot of parallels with Freenode. That was also running totally fine before a rich guy claimed ownership and started changing everything to his will, though the users were perfectly satisfied with how things were running till then. People started to leave which annoyed him and he started to make ever more rules and eventually deleted all the channels. Which means that reputable channels for open-source projects were now owned by randos who just happened to be the first to join after the reboot. Chaos ensued. The Twitter drama feels very similar. And that's not a good sign if we look at how Freenode played out. Freenode is now a fringe network. The previous management simply started a new network called Libera and two weeks later it was like the whole thing had never happened, just under a different name. Twitter is a lot bigger sure but big things can fall too. And they have for lesser reasons. Think Yahoo or MySpace. A lot of these owners seem to forget that the users are on their platform by free will. There is nothing tieing them down and it's only the tiny hassle of creating a new account that's a barrier to move.
  - georgeg23 4y ago
    >> to do what, exactly? Elon's primary motivation, his 'Roko's Basilisk', is a massive DoD program, which requires Republicans to fund. Twitter helps him curry favors to earn these (potentially ~$1-2T) Republican-backed contracts. Mike Griffin is the ringleader but he's only useful when Republicans are in power (see parts about Elon and Space Development Agency / SDI). https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career The DoD program is a space constellation of ballistic missile defense satellites for tracking and targeting nuclear ballistic missiles, including HGVs and hypersonic cruise missiles".[110] " However, (UCS) warns developments could escalate tensions with Russia and China and called the project "fundamentally destabilizing".[111] They later called for a treaty halting development to prevent an arms race in space.[112] Starlink's military satellite development is overseen internally at SpaceX by retired four-star general Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy.[113][114] O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates machine learning and artificial intelligence to gather and act upon sensor data quickly.[115] More info / references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Military_capabilities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Military_capabilities
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      > O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates machine learning and artificial intelligence to gather and act upon sensor data quickly So basically a doomsday machine. I understand the need for quick reaction but I really really would like to see a human in the chain to push the button. We've come way too close before like the Cuban crisis and Able Archer more specifically where all the data was screaming war but cool heads prevailed. Trust the world in the hands of an AI? Please no.
      - Finnucane 4y ago
        >So basically a doomsday machine. The whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Did you hear about the twitter files? It shows some pretty serious election interference and also shows how various staff either lied directly to congress.
    - alphabettsy 4y ago
      Pretty serious, huh? I don’t think we read the same thing. Excusing the selective leaking and the motivated journalists who have access to the documents to present a narrative through their view, the conversations to me revealed careful consideration and discussion rather than the vast conspiracy it’s presented as.
    - orwin 4y ago
      As long as we only get one carefully currated version, i call bullshit. Don't you agree that the taibbi posts are extremely suspect? I thought the V2 would add context but its more of the same. I know plenty of accounts (and people) attacking the libs and advocating for action, one in particular active in RedneckRevolt, who were banned on way less hateful things (one helped find gunrange and explained how to make AP rounds). Reading about the internal mails of people at Twitter who chose to ban educational, pro-BPP accounts explaining to soft lefties why guns are good, and letting Proud boys and libsofticktocks who did the same without bans... Heh. If it was both side (right and left) against the libs, why not, but this feel like propping up one side only.
- paulpauper 4y ago
  He saw he got criticism for singling out one account, and then to look consistent he banned the others. This is easier than reinstating the original one and admiting error.
anttisalmela 4y ago
Why would Elon give any rationale?
- paulgb 4y ago
  For one thing, because he specifically stated that he wouldn't ban the @elonjet account: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=fOeYnV21W6lEFV0oV7oWYA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...
  - usefulcat 4y ago
    He also previously said he wanted to buy Twitter, and made a legally binding agreement to do so, before changing his mind..
    - paulgb 4y ago
      Yes, he's not particularly consistent. Still, this was the account he held up as evidence that he was committed to free speech, because he refused to ban it even though he didn't like it. Now it’s banned.
- gnud_man 4y ago
  Could Elon give any rationale? Rationale of course depending on internal consistency and coherency. Elon's public persona seems to be a mess of contradictions with itself.
  - bestcoder69 4y ago
    Could say he's banning x kind of bots, where he back-fills x to describe the jet account.
- d23 4y ago
  At some point I think he'll move to just not even bothering explaining anything since he knows his fans will defend him. His justification could be literal gibberish, and his defenders would be resorting to the Kabbalah to try to translate it into something coherent.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Looks like https://twitter.com/BillGatesJet https://twitter.com/BillGatesJet is still up. Let's see how long that last. It feels to me like that's exactly it - he got called out and now he's banning others to make it seem like a blanket policy. As usual he's being impulsive and reactionary.
- minimaxir 4y ago
  That's an offshoot: the correct account is https://twitter.com/GatesJet https://twitter.com/GatesJet which was indeed suspended.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Ah, ok, I saw the link on another comment here - I don't track the trackers.
klyrs 4y ago
A notable exception: https://twitter.com/gva_watcher https://twitter.com/gva_watcher
thebradbain 4y ago
Especially because he specifically tweeted he would not ban it: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=kYgGRDWhV7s_Mg1BB68USw https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  haha, man. Friggin Elon couldn't keep it together for even a few weeks At this rate the site is eventually just going to turn into a slightly right wing version of the same swamp it was before edit: Easy there, lads. I'm not a hard-Leftist either. Just a Free Speech enjoyer
  - cyberphobe 4y ago
    slightly?
  - einpoklum 4y ago
    The censorship never stopped. It was happening before Musk assumed his position, while he was getting settled in, and is continuing now. Twitter is a censorious platform, and its organizational and technical structure is very much conducive to this situation; nor could you reasonably expect someone like Mr. Musk to invest a lot of effort to change this.
    - fsociety 4y ago
      The difference is the censorship used to be in an attempt to stop direct harm. Now it is in an attempt to stop annoying a billionaire.
      - einpoklum 4y ago
        No, the censorship was not at all limited to "stopping direct harm". Unless you redefine harm as "what Twitter owners/management decide is harmful", in which case that's true by-definition. Classical case in point: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange https://twitter.com/JulianAssange
labcomputer 4y ago
ssnistfajen 4y ago
The tracking bots were labelled as bots long ago. @elonjet's handle was also shadowbanned in Twitter search. The suspension reason is so weak it only reinforces Elon's hypocrisy.
pfisherman 4y ago
Conspiracy theory time… Perhaps there is actually a credible threat on Elon’s life? Starlink is providing internet services to Ukraine. Elon has seemingly waded into US partisan politics and become a controversial figure. If someone told me that Vladimir Putin put a green light on him, I would not find it outside the realm of belief. But this is a total crackpot speculation for purposes of entertaining discussion on the internet.
- georgeg23 4y ago
  They could just track him on the ElonJet on Facebook or Mastadon
  - pfisherman 4y ago
    Is ElonJet on Vknotakte though?
- cyberphobe 4y ago
  more likely non-crackpot non-conspiracy: perhaps Elon is actually just this stupid.
- SXX 4y ago
  How exactly would banning Twitter account re-posting publicly available information affect his safety? Yeah Russian secret service is incompetent, but they are certainly able to google for "elon musk jet tracker".
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Incompetent? Did you sleep through all the novochok poisoning? You clearly are not paying attention to world events.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Those poisonings left 75% of victims alive, didn’t they? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisb... “The unmasking of the Salisbury poisoning suspects by a new digital journalism outfit was an embarrassment for Putin – and evidence that Russian spies are not what they once were.”
erlich 4y ago
Simple question: do you think people's location should tracked and publicized? The answer is always no. It's also against Twitter terms of service. It's called a wedge. You are being forced into criticizing him for doing something that you actually want him to be doing. Your only way out is to argue that doxing is okay for billionaires or something like that - which is basically saying "if I make enough money I think its okay to be personally harassed and doxed" - which is really tough to believe.
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- TigeriusKirk 4y ago
  I do agree that tracking people and publicizing their location against their will should be banned. This is clear and obvious to me. But, and this is a big but, Musk specifically used this account as an example of his commitment to free speech. So if Elon Musk gets splashback on this, there's no one to blame but Elon Musk.
  - erlich 4y ago
    The people criticizing him are not upset that he is not upholding free speech commitments though. They are the ones that don't want free speech. They want more moderation and want stricter rules and policies, and more safety. So here is a policy that everyone agrees with and increases safety on the platform. And they are not happy. It's such a funny situation. It really demonstrates how tribal everything is. No one deals with individual events and circumstances. If you look at all the comments, there is a finite number of ways to evaluate this situation...and its seems like no one evaluates it critically. You could predict what each person will say. In fact, maybe I will try this in ChatGPT.
    - trs8080 4y ago
      > They are the ones that don't want free speech Content moderation and free speech are not mutually exclusive. Absolute free speech is not the only kind of free speech, nor is the definition of "free speech" the same globally. > So here is a policy that everyone agrees with and increases safety on the platform. And they are not happy. It's such a funny situation. Not upset, just confused that a free speech absolutist is banning people for exercising the version of free speech that he claims to be protecting.

meepmorp 4y ago

It's weird to ban just the one account, then all the others several hours later. Really makes it look like Musk's personal reaction to criticism.

te_chris 4y ago
I mean just call it as it is: totally that. He’s so thin skinned and petty. He spent 44bil of various people’s money to do what, exactly? Apart from own the libs, that is
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  It’s only taken what? Weeks? For him to show that the moderation policy wasn’t the problem. He just cared about whose finger was on the button.
- Teever 4y ago
  Elon is a cokehead who just bought the biggest cartel. We're watching a horrible social media addiction rage out of control in a person who has too many resources and power for anyone to tell him 'no'. Elon was probably always a POS but on some level I feel bad for him like I feel bad for Notch. all that money, power, and opportunity and they can't help but to spend it all terminally online bickering with other terminally online people. People don't choose to be like this.
  - api 4y ago
    I remember forum mod wars in the 2000s. Never thought there'd be billion dollar mod wars.
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    I don't feel too bad for him If I got that first huge multimillion dollar payout he hit early in his career, I would've stopped there. I'd still just be quietly living in a modest house in a small town decades later His twisted, broken personality is what enabled him to become a billionaire in the first place
    - SauciestGNU 4y ago
      Don't forget the birth lottery! I've lived in South Africa, and I've seen first-hand the human consequences of the policies that built his family wealth.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    I see a lot of parallels with Freenode. That was also running totally fine before a rich guy claimed ownership and started changing everything to his will, though the users were perfectly satisfied with how things were running till then. People started to leave which annoyed him and he started to make ever more rules and eventually deleted all the channels. Which means that reputable channels for open-source projects were now owned by randos who just happened to be the first to join after the reboot. Chaos ensued. The Twitter drama feels very similar. And that's not a good sign if we look at how Freenode played out. Freenode is now a fringe network. The previous management simply started a new network called Libera and two weeks later it was like the whole thing had never happened, just under a different name. Twitter is a lot bigger sure but big things can fall too. And they have for lesser reasons. Think Yahoo or MySpace. A lot of these owners seem to forget that the users are on their platform by free will. There is nothing tieing them down and it's only the tiny hassle of creating a new account that's a barrier to move.
- georgeg23 4y ago
  >> to do what, exactly? Elon's primary motivation, his 'Roko's Basilisk', is a massive DoD program, which requires Republicans to fund. Twitter helps him curry favors to earn these (potentially ~$1-2T) Republican-backed contracts. Mike Griffin is the ringleader but he's only useful when Republicans are in power (see parts about Elon and Space Development Agency / SDI). https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career The DoD program is a space constellation of ballistic missile defense satellites for tracking and targeting nuclear ballistic missiles, including HGVs and hypersonic cruise missiles".[110] " However, (UCS) warns developments could escalate tensions with Russia and China and called the project "fundamentally destabilizing".[111] They later called for a treaty halting development to prevent an arms race in space.[112] Starlink's military satellite development is overseen internally at SpaceX by retired four-star general Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy.[113][114] O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates machine learning and artificial intelligence to gather and act upon sensor data quickly.[115] More info / references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Military_capabilities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Military_capabilities
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    > O'Shaughnessy advocated before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services for a layered space capability with lethal follow-on that incorporates machine learning and artificial intelligence to gather and act upon sensor data quickly So basically a doomsday machine. I understand the need for quick reaction but I really really would like to see a human in the chain to push the button. We've come way too close before like the Cuban crisis and Able Archer more specifically where all the data was screaming war but cool heads prevailed. Trust the world in the hands of an AI? Please no.
    - Finnucane 4y ago
      >So basically a doomsday machine. The whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Did you hear about the twitter files? It shows some pretty serious election interference and also shows how various staff either lied directly to congress.
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    Pretty serious, huh? I don’t think we read the same thing. Excusing the selective leaking and the motivated journalists who have access to the documents to present a narrative through their view, the conversations to me revealed careful consideration and discussion rather than the vast conspiracy it’s presented as.
  - orwin 4y ago
    As long as we only get one carefully currated version, i call bullshit. Don't you agree that the taibbi posts are extremely suspect? I thought the V2 would add context but its more of the same. I know plenty of accounts (and people) attacking the libs and advocating for action, one in particular active in RedneckRevolt, who were banned on way less hateful things (one helped find gunrange and explained how to make AP rounds). Reading about the internal mails of people at Twitter who chose to ban educational, pro-BPP accounts explaining to soft lefties why guns are good, and letting Proud boys and libsofticktocks who did the same without bans... Heh. If it was both side (right and left) against the libs, why not, but this feel like propping up one side only.
paulpauper 4y ago
He saw he got criticism for singling out one account, and then to look consistent he banned the others. This is easier than reinstating the original one and admiting error.

anttisalmela 4y ago

Why would Elon give any rationale?

paulgb 4y ago
For one thing, because he specifically stated that he wouldn't ban the @elonjet account: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=fOeYnV21W6lEFV0oV7oWYA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...
- usefulcat 4y ago
  He also previously said he wanted to buy Twitter, and made a legally binding agreement to do so, before changing his mind..
  - paulgb 4y ago
    Yes, he's not particularly consistent. Still, this was the account he held up as evidence that he was committed to free speech, because he refused to ban it even though he didn't like it. Now it’s banned.
gnud_man 4y ago
Could Elon give any rationale? Rationale of course depending on internal consistency and coherency. Elon's public persona seems to be a mess of contradictions with itself.
- bestcoder69 4y ago
  Could say he's banning x kind of bots, where he back-fills x to describe the jet account.
d23 4y ago
At some point I think he'll move to just not even bothering explaining anything since he knows his fans will defend him. His justification could be literal gibberish, and his defenders would be resorting to the Kabbalah to try to translate it into something coherent.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

Looks like https://twitter.com/BillGatesJet https://twitter.com/BillGatesJet is still up. Let's see how long that last. It feels to me like that's exactly it - he got called out and now he's banning others to make it seem like a blanket policy. As usual he's being impulsive and reactionary.

minimaxir 4y ago
That's an offshoot: the correct account is https://twitter.com/GatesJet https://twitter.com/GatesJet which was indeed suspended.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  Ah, ok, I saw the link on another comment here - I don't track the trackers.

klyrs 4y ago

A notable exception: https://twitter.com/gva_watcher https://twitter.com/gva_watcher

thebradbain 4y ago

Especially because he specifically tweeted he would not ban it: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=kYgGRDWhV7s_Mg1BB68USw https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...

Firmwarrior 4y ago
haha, man. Friggin Elon couldn't keep it together for even a few weeks At this rate the site is eventually just going to turn into a slightly right wing version of the same swamp it was before edit: Easy there, lads. I'm not a hard-Leftist either. Just a Free Speech enjoyer
- cyberphobe 4y ago
  slightly?
- einpoklum 4y ago
  The censorship never stopped. It was happening before Musk assumed his position, while he was getting settled in, and is continuing now. Twitter is a censorious platform, and its organizational and technical structure is very much conducive to this situation; nor could you reasonably expect someone like Mr. Musk to invest a lot of effort to change this.
  - fsociety 4y ago
    The difference is the censorship used to be in an attempt to stop direct harm. Now it is in an attempt to stop annoying a billionaire.
    - einpoklum 4y ago
      No, the censorship was not at all limited to "stopping direct harm". Unless you redefine harm as "what Twitter owners/management decide is harmful", in which case that's true by-definition. Classical case in point: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange https://twitter.com/JulianAssange

labcomputer 4y ago

ssnistfajen 4y ago

The tracking bots were labelled as bots long ago. @elonjet's handle was also shadowbanned in Twitter search. The suspension reason is so weak it only reinforces Elon's hypocrisy.

pfisherman 4y ago

Conspiracy theory time… Perhaps there is actually a credible threat on Elon’s life? Starlink is providing internet services to Ukraine. Elon has seemingly waded into US partisan politics and become a controversial figure. If someone told me that Vladimir Putin put a green light on him, I would not find it outside the realm of belief. But this is a total crackpot speculation for purposes of entertaining discussion on the internet.

georgeg23 4y ago
They could just track him on the ElonJet on Facebook or Mastadon
- pfisherman 4y ago
  Is ElonJet on Vknotakte though?
cyberphobe 4y ago
more likely non-crackpot non-conspiracy: perhaps Elon is actually just this stupid.
SXX 4y ago
How exactly would banning Twitter account re-posting publicly available information affect his safety? Yeah Russian secret service is incompetent, but they are certainly able to google for "elon musk jet tracker".
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Incompetent? Did you sleep through all the novochok poisoning? You clearly are not paying attention to world events.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Those poisonings left 75% of victims alive, didn’t they? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisb... “The unmasking of the Salisbury poisoning suspects by a new digital journalism outfit was an embarrassment for Putin – and evidence that Russian spies are not what they once were.”

erlich 4y ago

Simple question: do you think people's location should tracked and publicized? The answer is always no. It's also against Twitter terms of service. It's called a wedge. You are being forced into criticizing him for doing something that you actually want him to be doing. Your only way out is to argue that doxing is okay for billionaires or something like that - which is basically saying "if I make enough money I think its okay to be personally harassed and doxed" - which is really tough to believe.

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TigeriusKirk 4y ago
I do agree that tracking people and publicizing their location against their will should be banned. This is clear and obvious to me. But, and this is a big but, Musk specifically used this account as an example of his commitment to free speech. So if Elon Musk gets splashback on this, there's no one to blame but Elon Musk.
- erlich 4y ago
  The people criticizing him are not upset that he is not upholding free speech commitments though. They are the ones that don't want free speech. They want more moderation and want stricter rules and policies, and more safety. So here is a policy that everyone agrees with and increases safety on the platform. And they are not happy. It's such a funny situation. It really demonstrates how tribal everything is. No one deals with individual events and circumstances. If you look at all the comments, there is a finite number of ways to evaluate this situation...and its seems like no one evaluates it critically. You could predict what each person will say. In fact, maybe I will try this in ChatGPT.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    > They are the ones that don't want free speech Content moderation and free speech are not mutually exclusive. Absolute free speech is not the only kind of free speech, nor is the definition of "free speech" the same globally. > So here is a policy that everyone agrees with and increases safety on the platform. And they are not happy. It's such a funny situation. Not upset, just confused that a free speech absolutist is banning people for exercising the version of free speech that he claims to be protecting.