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Safari doesn't help the web be diverse, it just cripples the webs ability to compete with apps. When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" or

Safari doesn't help the web be diverse, it just cripples the webs ability to compete with apps. When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" or seen apple pushing the bounds of what the web can do?

dopidopHN 4y ago
At some point the battery usage on laptop was considerably better using safari. That’s a plus.
threeseed 4y ago
Many Mac users choose to use Safari because it is by far the most efficient browser.
- apaprocki 4y ago
  Yes. I have used every way to consume the web since text-only was preferred in early lynx days and finding gopher resources was the norm. NSCA Mosaic, Netscape Navigator, all IE versions, Firefox, Chrome when it first appeared. I want nothing more to only use Safari / OS WebKit on all my devices. If this winds up going through, I will actively delete all applications that switch off WebKit. To each their own...
- bioemerl 4y ago
  I'm very skeptical this is due to safari and not Microsoft style monopolistic behavior by baking the browser into the OS so it's always loaded.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    No it's simply due to priorities. Apple has always placed privacy and efficiency over new features.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - smoldesu 4y ago
      ...but part of it is also that WebKit is baked-in to MacOS, and gets it's always-on processes reused by the browser when you launch it.
      - threeseed 4y ago
        Which processes ? It's not like there is a webkitd and everything is done via RPC.
        deleted 4y ago
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        smoldesu 4y ago
        On iOS, Cocoa uses WebKit to render text, and everything UIKit-based on MacOS gets rendered with dynamically-linked WebKit as well. It's safe to say that if your Mac is on, WebKit is probably running.
        threeseed 4y ago
        There is a big difference between a dynamically-linked library and a constantly running process. I am on a Mac right now. There are no running webkit, webkitd etc processes despite me writing this in Safari.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Run this: `lsof | grep webkit` You'll need to run that as the user handling WebKit processes, so sudo might be required.
        ubercow13 4y ago
        How does this prove that Safari gets an inherent performance advantage over Chrome? I guess on startup there could be a slight difference if the library is already loaded in memory.
  - ezfe 4y ago
    macOS does very little to favor Safari. It provides identical resistance to changing defaults to Safari as it does changing defaults from Safari.
mgkimsal 4y ago
I choose it every single day. I have chrome, Firefox, edge and safari at my disposal. Safari is my day to day for most regular usage. For tech/dev work, Firefox and Chrome are usually in flight at the same time. EDIT: "Safari doesn't help the web be diverse" Not sure what you mean by that. Safari existing is diversity, but like FF/mozilla was an antidote to the IE years on Windows.
- meowtimemania 4y ago
  Why do you chose safari?
  - NegativeLatency 4y ago
    It's fast, good with memory, and does everything I need from it.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      Doesn't seriously harm performance of the rest of my system the way a many-tabs Chrome or Firefox tends to.
  - n8cpdx 4y ago
    Fast, best battery life, better UI, the tab groups implementation is great. I like the approach to the extension store better.
  - apaprocki 4y ago
    Battery life, keychain, PIN numbers from iMessage, integration between desktop/mobile, it's not supported by ads/Google...
    - sodality2 4y ago
      > PIN numbers from iMessage This isn't actually a Safari feature but an iOS feature AFAIK.
arcticbull 4y ago
I choose safari every day. It uses less power and it's an overall smoother and better integrated experience. It's also not constantly hounding me to sign into Google accounts. "Pushing the bounds of the web" specifically isn't a huge goal for me, I want to see the bounds of computing pushed. That doesn't have to be on the web. The web is Rube Golberg-esque enough as is. [edit] To be clear I'm not opposed to it, I'm neutral to it.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
Battery life on my Macbook is better using Safari, so I choose to use it all the time. They've also been pulling ahead of Firefox on several occasions when implementing new CSS features.
msoad 4y ago
I literally don't have Chrome on my Mac. Safari is faster and has less Google shoving their random product initiatives to me. I never have to log into Safari to do anything.
sefrost 4y ago
The "peeking" you can do with the trackpad on a Mac when navigating backwards and forwards between pages is a must have for me in a browser. It's so nice in Safari, I use it hundreds of times a day. It's painful for me when I use other browsers that don't have this feature.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  I do this with my Magic Trackpad on Linux as well, it's very nice.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    Wait, how are you getting that on Linux?
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      If you're running Firefox with native Wayland support, multitouch trackpad gestures are working now. Edit: I also found a Chrome extension that adds it: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/swipe-back/mkkcgajcpakpfjgikmekgnihlbhliodo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/swipe-back/mkkcgaj...
- ask_b123 4y ago
  Similarly, the "peeking" you can do with Look Up on URLs.
marvindanig 4y ago
precisely. and we see a lot of similar behavior from Chrome now as it helps them replace the good old search form with a url bar as the main driver of their ad dollars. this unsolvable battle is exactly why I opted for the Brave [1] browser. all the better if they’re able to use alternate engine under the hood next. [1] https://brave.com/ https://brave.com/
jdminhbg 4y ago
> When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" The last time I opened a Mac with a battery (i.e., today).
- MBCook 4y ago
  Every day since it was first released. I left FF for it and never looked back. FF has massively improved since then, but Safari is my habit and I’m very happy with it.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
I exclusively use Safari for better battery life and I trust their security more and anticipate I will be using Keychain for a long time.
- mhoad 4y ago
  You should probably read the security section of any iOS release notes sometime. Great at security isn’t the first thing that comes to mind for me. Here’s the latest one for example: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213530 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213530
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    So fixing security issues is ... bad?
    - mhoad 4y ago
      FFS… nobody said that. Nobody even implied that.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      If Chrome can update itself in the App Store without a reboot like it does on Android, and Safari continues to require an OS update, Safari security will continue to be worse.
      - Aaron2222 4y ago
        Rapid Security Response should fix that.
  - acdha 4y ago
    iOS release notes combine the OS, apps, and dependent libraries. If you compare to Chrome or Firefox on Windows or Android it's pretty hard to say that anyone has this solved other than to the extent that they're migrating to memory-safe languages. I think Chrome is a ahead on proactive mitigations but from a user's perspective it's basically a never-ending race to install updates since they all have high CVEs on a regular basis.
brundolf 4y ago
I choose Safari as my primary browser on my personal MacBook, it's great
rPlayer6554 4y ago
Lifetime windows user, just got a MacBook. I heard safari was better for battery life (haven't tested so can't confirm) so I thought I'd try it. It works fine for all my needs so why change? Side note, last pass on Mac is a pile of hot garbage. I wish I had never gotten my family onto it because switching is going to be a hassle.
acdha 4y ago
Multiple implementations help the web be diverse, and there is a long history of features becoming easier to use, more capable, or secure based on feedback from one of the browser teams other than the first to propose something. It’s also not the case that any current browser is so bad that the web is better off without it. Anyone with web development experience has run into problems or limitations with every browser and depending on what you do you will have different assessments of which one is best at a given time. For example, on the Interop 2022 effort all three browser teams have been coordinating currently Safari is in the lead and that will continue to shift over time. https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 > When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" or seen apple pushing the bounds of what the web can do? Firefox and Safari are both noticeably faster and use less memory. If you care about that, or work on battery that’s enough right there. Firefox and Safari don’t have conflicts of interest preventing privacy improvements or ad blocking. I haven’t used Chrome as my default browser since Firefox took the performance crown ~5 years ago but I’ve used all of them plenty as a web developer. The idea that Chrome is so far ahead that we should give up on the web having multiple implementations and just let Google run it is completely the opposite of my experience.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  > It’s also not the case that any current browser is so bad that the web is better off without it. But it is. Safari on IOS is either missing or badly implements every system that lets web apps compete with system apps. It's totally impossible to use something other than safari on IOS as well, which basically means apple is able to force a very significant amount of web traffic into their browser and basically lock out any feature the choose. That is bad for the web. Additionally, I think you're mistaken on the performance crown. Firefox made big gains years ago but chrome has always managed to perform better at most tasks despite those gains. Maybe if you were running really low on ram Firefox is the faster option? That's not your typical use case though. I use Firefox regardless. I way value their not crippling AdBlock over chrome and would encourage everyone to use it despite speed issues.
  - acdha 4y ago
kitsunesoba 4y ago
I use Safari and another WebKit-based browser (Orion) on macOS and iOS/iPadOS all the time, because neither Chrome or Firefox compares when it comes to battery consumption or feeling like a proper citizen of the OS it's running on. It's seriously frustrating how little regard is given to efficiency in both Blink and Gecko. It don't care if the engine supports WebBanana 2.0 if it's destroying battery life.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  But you are running WebKit in all four on iOS :) Because right now Apple doesn't allow other engines. So whatever it is that consumes batter, it's not blink or gecko.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    My points of comparison are the macOS versions, where the difference is staggering. Architecturally macOS and iOS are very similar and it’s traditionally been quite rare for either engine’s team to focus squarely on improving efficiency (it’s always speed or features instead, with efficiency as a trailing afterthought), so there’s no reason to think that Blink and Gecko for iOS will be any more efficient than their macOS counterparts.
vehemenz 4y ago
Is "pushing the bounds of what the web can do" something we should value? Given the current direction of the web, a preference for Safari's relatively slow feature rollouts seems reasonable.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  > Is "pushing the bounds of what the web can do" something we should value? Given that the alternative are app stores controlled by the device vendor, yes. Either we free our devices so that custom software is acceptable and common again or we make sure the web is the go to platform for everything.
  - vehemenz 4y ago
    Okay, so why should we value the web as the "go to" platform instead of applications? We can do this until the cows go home. You are making claims about values here, and not everyone shares your values.
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      You can "do this until the cows go home", but that's about as valuable as repeating "why" every time someone answers a question. People generally value being able to do more stuff. Putting control into the hands of large central parties generally does not go well.
      - halostatue 4y ago
        Because you’re not answering the questions. You’re providing tautological responses. You’ve been asked specific things about what features are missing from Safari / WebKit. You’ve replied with vague generalizations that don’t hold to be true outside of the echo chamber of the Chrome Reality Distortion Field.
      - vehemenz 4y ago
        > Putting control into the hands of large central parties generally does not go well. Then why are you are in favor of a Chrome monopoly (the obvious externality here)?
mvanbaak 4y ago
> When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" Every single time I need a browser. On iPhone, iPad and MacBook. All reasons have been mentioned already, so will not repeat them here.
alwillis 4y ago
> or seen apple pushing the bounds of what the web can do? I get that it's easy to attack Apple these days but anyone paying attention can objectively see that Safari has been kicking ass this year. It's easy to do the "whataboutism" thing and they're late on a few things… but if this is a sign of things to come for Safari (style queries and masonry grids are in the works, for example), this is a Good Thing for the web and should be treated as such. * first to implement (March) the most anticipated CSS feature that was thought to be impossible to implement for most of the past 20 years, the :has() parent selector [1]. It took Chrome until the end of August and it's still not enabled by default in Firefox because bugs * first to implement wide-gamut color support [1a](2020) * first to implement oklch and oklab (and a bunch more) color spaces [2] * first to implement the open Webauthn standard Passkeys a few months ago; Chrome 108 just announced support * support for all of the "hot" CSS features like Container Queries, Subgrid, new viewport units, AVIF image format and (as they say) "more" [3] * Mozilla, Google, Apple and Microsoft agreed to focus on the interoperability of 15 web features; WebKit currently passes 98.5% of the tests the companies have agreed to, leading the other companies [4]. [1]: https://webkit.org/blog/13096/css-has-pseudo-class/ https://webkit.org/blog/13096/css-has-pseudo-class/ [1a]: https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-display-p3/ https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-d... [2]: https://evilmartians.com/chronicles/oklch-in-css-why-quit-rgb-hsl https://evilmartians.com/chronicles/oklch-in-css-why-quit-rg... [3]: https://webkit.org/blog/13152/webkit-features-in-safari-16-0/ https://webkit.org/blog/13152/webkit-features-in-safari-16-0... [4]: https://webkit.org/blog/13591/webkit-features-in-safari-16-2/ https://webkit.org/blog/13591/webkit-features-in-safari-16-2...

dopidopHN 4y ago

At some point the battery usage on laptop was considerably better using safari. That’s a plus.

threeseed 4y ago

Many Mac users choose to use Safari because it is by far the most efficient browser.

apaprocki 4y ago
Yes. I have used every way to consume the web since text-only was preferred in early lynx days and finding gopher resources was the norm. NSCA Mosaic, Netscape Navigator, all IE versions, Firefox, Chrome when it first appeared. I want nothing more to only use Safari / OS WebKit on all my devices. If this winds up going through, I will actively delete all applications that switch off WebKit. To each their own...
bioemerl 4y ago
I'm very skeptical this is due to safari and not Microsoft style monopolistic behavior by baking the browser into the OS so it's always loaded.
- threeseed 4y ago
  No it's simply due to priorities. Apple has always placed privacy and efficiency over new features.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    ...but part of it is also that WebKit is baked-in to MacOS, and gets it's always-on processes reused by the browser when you launch it.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      Which processes ? It's not like there is a webkitd and everything is done via RPC.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        On iOS, Cocoa uses WebKit to render text, and everything UIKit-based on MacOS gets rendered with dynamically-linked WebKit as well. It's safe to say that if your Mac is on, WebKit is probably running.
        threeseed 4y ago
        There is a big difference between a dynamically-linked library and a constantly running process. I am on a Mac right now. There are no running webkit, webkitd etc processes despite me writing this in Safari.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Run this: `lsof | grep webkit` You'll need to run that as the user handling WebKit processes, so sudo might be required.
        ubercow13 4y ago
        How does this prove that Safari gets an inherent performance advantage over Chrome? I guess on startup there could be a slight difference if the library is already loaded in memory.
- ezfe 4y ago
  macOS does very little to favor Safari. It provides identical resistance to changing defaults to Safari as it does changing defaults from Safari.

mgkimsal 4y ago

I choose it every single day. I have chrome, Firefox, edge and safari at my disposal. Safari is my day to day for most regular usage. For tech/dev work, Firefox and Chrome are usually in flight at the same time. EDIT: "Safari doesn't help the web be diverse" Not sure what you mean by that. Safari existing is diversity, but like FF/mozilla was an antidote to the IE years on Windows.

meowtimemania 4y ago
Why do you chose safari?
- NegativeLatency 4y ago
  It's fast, good with memory, and does everything I need from it.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Doesn't seriously harm performance of the rest of my system the way a many-tabs Chrome or Firefox tends to.
- n8cpdx 4y ago
  Fast, best battery life, better UI, the tab groups implementation is great. I like the approach to the extension store better.
- apaprocki 4y ago
  Battery life, keychain, PIN numbers from iMessage, integration between desktop/mobile, it's not supported by ads/Google...
  - sodality2 4y ago
    > PIN numbers from iMessage This isn't actually a Safari feature but an iOS feature AFAIK.

arcticbull 4y ago

I choose safari every day. It uses less power and it's an overall smoother and better integrated experience. It's also not constantly hounding me to sign into Google accounts. "Pushing the bounds of the web" specifically isn't a huge goal for me, I want to see the bounds of computing pushed. That doesn't have to be on the web. The web is Rube Golberg-esque enough as is. [edit] To be clear I'm not opposed to it, I'm neutral to it.

micromacrofoot 4y ago

Battery life on my Macbook is better using Safari, so I choose to use it all the time. They've also been pulling ahead of Firefox on several occasions when implementing new CSS features.

msoad 4y ago

I literally don't have Chrome on my Mac. Safari is faster and has less Google shoving their random product initiatives to me. I never have to log into Safari to do anything.

sefrost 4y ago

The "peeking" you can do with the trackpad on a Mac when navigating backwards and forwards between pages is a must have for me in a browser. It's so nice in Safari, I use it hundreds of times a day. It's painful for me when I use other browsers that don't have this feature.

smoldesu 4y ago
I do this with my Magic Trackpad on Linux as well, it's very nice.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  Wait, how are you getting that on Linux?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    If you're running Firefox with native Wayland support, multitouch trackpad gestures are working now. Edit: I also found a Chrome extension that adds it: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/swipe-back/mkkcgajcpakpfjgikmekgnihlbhliodo https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/swipe-back/mkkcgaj...
ask_b123 4y ago
Similarly, the "peeking" you can do with Look Up on URLs.

marvindanig 4y ago

precisely. and we see a lot of similar behavior from Chrome now as it helps them replace the good old search form with a url bar as the main driver of their ad dollars. this unsolvable battle is exactly why I opted for the Brave [1] browser. all the better if they’re able to use alternate engine under the hood next. [1] https://brave.com/ https://brave.com/

jdminhbg 4y ago

> When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" The last time I opened a Mac with a battery (i.e., today).

MBCook 4y ago
Every day since it was first released. I left FF for it and never looked back. FF has massively improved since then, but Safari is my habit and I’m very happy with it.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

I exclusively use Safari for better battery life and I trust their security more and anticipate I will be using Keychain for a long time.

mhoad 4y ago
You should probably read the security section of any iOS release notes sometime. Great at security isn’t the first thing that comes to mind for me. Here’s the latest one for example: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213530 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213530
- theshrike79 4y ago
  So fixing security issues is ... bad?
  - mhoad 4y ago
    FFS… nobody said that. Nobody even implied that.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    If Chrome can update itself in the App Store without a reboot like it does on Android, and Safari continues to require an OS update, Safari security will continue to be worse.
    - Aaron2222 4y ago
      Rapid Security Response should fix that.
- acdha 4y ago
  iOS release notes combine the OS, apps, and dependent libraries. If you compare to Chrome or Firefox on Windows or Android it's pretty hard to say that anyone has this solved other than to the extent that they're migrating to memory-safe languages. I think Chrome is a ahead on proactive mitigations but from a user's perspective it's basically a never-ending race to install updates since they all have high CVEs on a regular basis.

brundolf 4y ago

I choose Safari as my primary browser on my personal MacBook, it's great

rPlayer6554 4y ago

Lifetime windows user, just got a MacBook. I heard safari was better for battery life (haven't tested so can't confirm) so I thought I'd try it. It works fine for all my needs so why change? Side note, last pass on Mac is a pile of hot garbage. I wish I had never gotten my family onto it because switching is going to be a hassle.

acdha 4y ago

Multiple implementations help the web be diverse, and there is a long history of features becoming easier to use, more capable, or secure based on feedback from one of the browser teams other than the first to propose something. It’s also not the case that any current browser is so bad that the web is better off without it. Anyone with web development experience has run into problems or limitations with every browser and depending on what you do you will have different assessments of which one is best at a given time. For example, on the Interop 2022 effort all three browser teams have been coordinating currently Safari is in the lead and that will continue to shift over time. https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 > When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" or seen apple pushing the bounds of what the web can do? Firefox and Safari are both noticeably faster and use less memory. If you care about that, or work on battery that’s enough right there. Firefox and Safari don’t have conflicts of interest preventing privacy improvements or ad blocking. I haven’t used Chrome as my default browser since Firefox took the performance crown ~5 years ago but I’ve used all of them plenty as a web developer. The idea that Chrome is so far ahead that we should give up on the web having multiple implementations and just let Google run it is completely the opposite of my experience.

bioemerl 4y ago
> It’s also not the case that any current browser is so bad that the web is better off without it. But it is. Safari on IOS is either missing or badly implements every system that lets web apps compete with system apps. It's totally impossible to use something other than safari on IOS as well, which basically means apple is able to force a very significant amount of web traffic into their browser and basically lock out any feature the choose. That is bad for the web. Additionally, I think you're mistaken on the performance crown. Firefox made big gains years ago but chrome has always managed to perform better at most tasks despite those gains. Maybe if you were running really low on ram Firefox is the faster option? That's not your typical use case though. I use Firefox regardless. I way value their not crippling AdBlock over chrome and would encourage everyone to use it despite speed issues.
- acdha 4y ago

kitsunesoba 4y ago

I use Safari and another WebKit-based browser (Orion) on macOS and iOS/iPadOS all the time, because neither Chrome or Firefox compares when it comes to battery consumption or feeling like a proper citizen of the OS it's running on. It's seriously frustrating how little regard is given to efficiency in both Blink and Gecko. It don't care if the engine supports WebBanana 2.0 if it's destroying battery life.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
But you are running WebKit in all four on iOS :) Because right now Apple doesn't allow other engines. So whatever it is that consumes batter, it's not blink or gecko.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  My points of comparison are the macOS versions, where the difference is staggering. Architecturally macOS and iOS are very similar and it’s traditionally been quite rare for either engine’s team to focus squarely on improving efficiency (it’s always speed or features instead, with efficiency as a trailing afterthought), so there’s no reason to think that Blink and Gecko for iOS will be any more efficient than their macOS counterparts.

vehemenz 4y ago

Is "pushing the bounds of what the web can do" something we should value? Given the current direction of the web, a preference for Safari's relatively slow feature rollouts seems reasonable.

bioemerl 4y ago
> Is "pushing the bounds of what the web can do" something we should value? Given that the alternative are app stores controlled by the device vendor, yes. Either we free our devices so that custom software is acceptable and common again or we make sure the web is the go to platform for everything.
- vehemenz 4y ago
  Okay, so why should we value the web as the "go to" platform instead of applications? We can do this until the cows go home. You are making claims about values here, and not everyone shares your values.
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    You can "do this until the cows go home", but that's about as valuable as repeating "why" every time someone answers a question. People generally value being able to do more stuff. Putting control into the hands of large central parties generally does not go well.
    - halostatue 4y ago
      Because you’re not answering the questions. You’re providing tautological responses. You’ve been asked specific things about what features are missing from Safari / WebKit. You’ve replied with vague generalizations that don’t hold to be true outside of the echo chamber of the Chrome Reality Distortion Field.
    - vehemenz 4y ago
      > Putting control into the hands of large central parties generally does not go well. Then why are you are in favor of a Chrome monopoly (the obvious externality here)?

mvanbaak 4y ago

> When is the last time you said "I will choose to use safari" Every single time I need a browser. On iPhone, iPad and MacBook. All reasons have been mentioned already, so will not repeat them here.

alwillis 4y ago

> or seen apple pushing the bounds of what the web can do? I get that it's easy to attack Apple these days but anyone paying attention can objectively see that Safari has been kicking ass this year. It's easy to do the "whataboutism" thing and they're late on a few things… but if this is a sign of things to come for Safari (style queries and masonry grids are in the works, for example), this is a Good Thing for the web and should be treated as such. * first to implement (March) the most anticipated CSS feature that was thought to be impossible to implement for most of the past 20 years, the :has() parent selector [1]. It took Chrome until the end of August and it's still not enabled by default in Firefox because bugs * first to implement wide-gamut color support [1a](2020) * first to implement oklch and oklab (and a bunch more) color spaces [2] * first to implement the open Webauthn standard Passkeys a few months ago; Chrome 108 just announced support * support for all of the "hot" CSS features like Container Queries, Subgrid, new viewport units, AVIF image format and (as they say) "more" [3] * Mozilla, Google, Apple and Microsoft agreed to focus on the interoperability of 15 web features; WebKit currently passes 98.5% of the tests the companies have agreed to, leading the other companies [4]. [1]: https://webkit.org/blog/13096/css-has-pseudo-class/ https://webkit.org/blog/13096/css-has-pseudo-class/ [1a]: https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-display-p3/ https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-d... [2]: https://evilmartians.com/chronicles/oklch-in-css-why-quit-rgb-hsl https://evilmartians.com/chronicles/oklch-in-css-why-quit-rg... [3]: https://webkit.org/blog/13152/webkit-features-in-safari-16-0/ https://webkit.org/blog/13152/webkit-features-in-safari-16-0... [4]: https://webkit.org/blog/13591/webkit-features-in-safari-16-2/ https://webkit.org/blog/13591/webkit-features-in-safari-16-2...