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I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a pers

by 40four 4y ago

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be allowed to exist. It feels like everyone is so upset with Elon, that we all want to play this game of "Gotcha" with every move he makes. Doesn't seem like anyone is considering that account is a real safety/ security issue for him.

kweingar 4y ago
I honestly would not have cared about the account being banned, except for the fact that Musk won points for nobly saying he would not ban the account.
- ncr100 4y ago
  The real concern is whether Musk will direct Terrorism to Jack Schwartz's doorstep, like he did with the former exec & the CP accusations.
encoderer 4y ago
You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?
  - 40four 4y ago
    Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.
    - timeon 4y ago
      I do not find it well put because it is moving the goal-post. Topic is not if the account is ethical or if it is right to ban account like this. Point is about banning it from the position of 'free speech absolutist'. Free speech absolutists wants to ensure freedom of express also for things that could be considered as unethical.
      - bobleeswagger 4y ago
        All the kid had to do was make it a little more general, a little less targeted. Nobody is moving goalposts except for folks like you.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      You know what really makes it hilarious? All this kid had to do was do a little more work: Track more celebrities and top dollar folks. Make it general. Maybe they'd converge on him, but at least Elon wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Instead this kid does minimal work, it goes viral, and everyone is crying about it. Pathetic. I'm loving the selective memories so many folks have here, acting as though they are remotely consistent with application of ethics.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      Elon LITERALLY TWEETED that what this account was doing was free speech and would not be banned.
      - 40four 4y ago
        In the SAME TWEET, he admitted it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Why is that something that's not okay to change your mind on? Are you arguing that his life on a day to day basis should be put in more danger is okay, in the name of some dumb ass doxxing twitter account?
- 40four 4y ago
  Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.
  - TheHypnotist 4y ago
    In a few short key strokes that information is still available.
    - 40four 4y ago
      Thanks to the ElonJet twitter account in question, no? It's doxing, plain and simple.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    Give up. This guy has been actively trying to make enemies to garner a few "hello there fellow kids" points, actively uses every trick in the book to make sure he not only has to pay zilch in taxes, but draws the maximum in benefits, being one of the richest people on the planet and continuously taking credit for things he at best funded, at worst didn't do anything for. Meanwhile he's throwing up a gigantic smokescreen and misleading people in ways that benefit his company while being disastrous for the environment, and has the gall to show his ideas as some kind of divine intellect. An account functioning as an event hub for public information regarding his jet is about the least he has to worry about once the chickens come home to roost. If the location alone was that bad, he could give a warning and ask the account to only post climate-related info. These are the people shaming you at every corner and ready to push you under the bus the moment something dares to scratch their empire. Nothing about their existence is ethical. People defending them under the guise of 'ethics' is exactly how they got there.
- hk1337 4y ago
  It may be public information but how easy is it for the common Joe to look up a specific person's flight information? I'm genuinely curious because if it takes a few steps and knowing a couple of bits of information then maybe that is a problem. I mean, the FAA records or wherever they're getting the information doesn't have it labeled "Elon's Jet", does it? The Twitter account likely makes it dead simple for any bloke off the street to know where it is.
  - mike_d 4y ago
    It is trivial. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
    - hk1337 4y ago
      How would I know "N628TS" is Elon's jet?
      - mnmndnd 4y ago
        https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103 https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103
        40four 4y ago
        Well that doesn't answer the question. Figuring out who owns that particular jet, and or what it's license number is is not obvious. One more step down the line. How would a normal person know who owns "FALCON LANDING LLC". Point is, unless you read the ElonJet account, most normies would have a hard time figuring out all of this. Just because it's public information doesn't mean it's easy to find for normal people. That account is Doxxing, plain and simple. But you guys are welcome to keep defending it I guess.
        encoderer 4y ago
eptcyka 4y ago
Is someone paying you to outcry the publishing of already public information?
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
bobleeswagger 4y ago
wprl 4y ago
And preventing the triggered and willful spread of disinformation about our elections and public health is not a safety issue??
nerdawson 4y ago
I'm failing to see the safety threat here. The account republishes publicly available information. I'd hardly consider that doxxing. Flight data isn't private. Elon pointed to the existence of the account as demonstrating his attitude towards free speech and as far we all can tell, nothing has changed.
phillipcarter 4y ago
You're not flabbergasted and you don't believe it's doxxing. You just support your boy Elon.
- 40four 4y ago
  I couldn't care less about Elon, unlike seemingly everyone else here. It's not about him. I would not support that type of account if it were targeting Brad Pitt, POTUS, or even my next door neighbor.
acover 4y ago
What is the actual risk? I suspect he's way more likely to get into a car crash. The information about his plane's location is already public. Posting it to twitter just makes it spread further. Also, a plane's location isn't very useful. Even doxxing someone's permanent address (not that elon has one) is a pretty minimal threat to their life. A plane's location is some of the less dangerous speech allowed.
- 40four 4y ago
  It should be obvious, but to a crazy person who is interested in harming Elon, this is a gift wrapped up under the Christmas tree. Great, now they can wait outside the airport, or know that he just flew home to Austin tonight, or landed in SF to go to Twitter HQ. Nobody would know what jet Elon owned if it weren't for that account.
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vlunkr 4y ago
Seems like you're explaining exactly the intent of this account: Proving that putting free speech above all other values on an internet forum isn't always a good idea, even if it's legal. No one actually thinks this account is valuable on it's own. This "Gotcha" is a hugely important point that Musk doesn't understand.
kareemsabri 4y ago
I'm not sure you understand what free speech is. Being able to claim someone's speech makes you "unsafe" is akin to "words are violence" that the pro free speech crowd objects to. Elon may face a greater risk of harm with the world having a way to guess his location (broadly) but that's not a case to silence speech. It should also be noted he's a billionaire. Have you seen Zuckerberg's security spending?
spoils19 4y ago
Why do you care so much, if he (supposedly) doesn't? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
- 40four 4y ago
  Because it's common sense? I honestly was not aware of that tweet before I posted this today. But you and others have pointed it out to me. Interesting he explicitly states it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Kind of strengthens my point no? Sure he said he would let it continue a month and a half ago, but upon further consideration, and the amount of attention it was getting I don't think it's outrageous at all for him to change his mind.

by 40four 4y ago

kweingar 4y ago

I honestly would not have cared about the account being banned, except for the fact that Musk won points for nobly saying he would not ban the account.

ncr100 4y ago
The real concern is whether Musk will direct Terrorism to Jack Schwartz's doorstep, like he did with the former exec & the CP accusations.

encoderer 4y ago

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

bobleeswagger 4y ago
Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?
- 40four 4y ago
  Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.
  - timeon 4y ago
    I do not find it well put because it is moving the goal-post. Topic is not if the account is ethical or if it is right to ban account like this. Point is about banning it from the position of 'free speech absolutist'. Free speech absolutists wants to ensure freedom of express also for things that could be considered as unethical.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      All the kid had to do was make it a little more general, a little less targeted. Nobody is moving goalposts except for folks like you.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    You know what really makes it hilarious? All this kid had to do was do a little more work: Track more celebrities and top dollar folks. Make it general. Maybe they'd converge on him, but at least Elon wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Instead this kid does minimal work, it goes viral, and everyone is crying about it. Pathetic. I'm loving the selective memories so many folks have here, acting as though they are remotely consistent with application of ethics.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    Elon LITERALLY TWEETED that what this account was doing was free speech and would not be banned.
    - 40four 4y ago
      In the SAME TWEET, he admitted it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Why is that something that's not okay to change your mind on? Are you arguing that his life on a day to day basis should be put in more danger is okay, in the name of some dumb ass doxxing twitter account?
40four 4y ago
Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.
- TheHypnotist 4y ago
  In a few short key strokes that information is still available.
  - 40four 4y ago
    Thanks to the ElonJet twitter account in question, no? It's doxing, plain and simple.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Give up. This guy has been actively trying to make enemies to garner a few "hello there fellow kids" points, actively uses every trick in the book to make sure he not only has to pay zilch in taxes, but draws the maximum in benefits, being one of the richest people on the planet and continuously taking credit for things he at best funded, at worst didn't do anything for. Meanwhile he's throwing up a gigantic smokescreen and misleading people in ways that benefit his company while being disastrous for the environment, and has the gall to show his ideas as some kind of divine intellect. An account functioning as an event hub for public information regarding his jet is about the least he has to worry about once the chickens come home to roost. If the location alone was that bad, he could give a warning and ask the account to only post climate-related info. These are the people shaming you at every corner and ready to push you under the bus the moment something dares to scratch their empire. Nothing about their existence is ethical. People defending them under the guise of 'ethics' is exactly how they got there.
hk1337 4y ago
It may be public information but how easy is it for the common Joe to look up a specific person's flight information? I'm genuinely curious because if it takes a few steps and knowing a couple of bits of information then maybe that is a problem. I mean, the FAA records or wherever they're getting the information doesn't have it labeled "Elon's Jet", does it? The Twitter account likely makes it dead simple for any bloke off the street to know where it is.
- mike_d 4y ago
  It is trivial. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
  - hk1337 4y ago
    How would I know "N628TS" is Elon's jet?
    - mnmndnd 4y ago
      https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103 https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103
      - 40four 4y ago
        Well that doesn't answer the question. Figuring out who owns that particular jet, and or what it's license number is is not obvious. One more step down the line. How would a normal person know who owns "FALCON LANDING LLC". Point is, unless you read the ElonJet account, most normies would have a hard time figuring out all of this. Just because it's public information doesn't mean it's easy to find for normal people. That account is Doxxing, plain and simple. But you guys are welcome to keep defending it I guess.
        encoderer 4y ago

eptcyka 4y ago

Is someone paying you to outcry the publishing of already public information?

bobleeswagger 4y ago

bobleeswagger 4y ago

wprl 4y ago

And preventing the triggered and willful spread of disinformation about our elections and public health is not a safety issue??

nerdawson 4y ago

I'm failing to see the safety threat here. The account republishes publicly available information. I'd hardly consider that doxxing. Flight data isn't private. Elon pointed to the existence of the account as demonstrating his attitude towards free speech and as far we all can tell, nothing has changed.

phillipcarter 4y ago

You're not flabbergasted and you don't believe it's doxxing. You just support your boy Elon.

40four 4y ago
I couldn't care less about Elon, unlike seemingly everyone else here. It's not about him. I would not support that type of account if it were targeting Brad Pitt, POTUS, or even my next door neighbor.

acover 4y ago

What is the actual risk? I suspect he's way more likely to get into a car crash. The information about his plane's location is already public. Posting it to twitter just makes it spread further. Also, a plane's location isn't very useful. Even doxxing someone's permanent address (not that elon has one) is a pretty minimal threat to their life. A plane's location is some of the less dangerous speech allowed.

40four 4y ago
It should be obvious, but to a crazy person who is interested in harming Elon, this is a gift wrapped up under the Christmas tree. Great, now they can wait outside the airport, or know that he just flew home to Austin tonight, or landed in SF to go to Twitter HQ. Nobody would know what jet Elon owned if it weren't for that account.

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vlunkr 4y ago

Seems like you're explaining exactly the intent of this account: Proving that putting free speech above all other values on an internet forum isn't always a good idea, even if it's legal. No one actually thinks this account is valuable on it's own. This "Gotcha" is a hugely important point that Musk doesn't understand.

kareemsabri 4y ago

I'm not sure you understand what free speech is. Being able to claim someone's speech makes you "unsafe" is akin to "words are violence" that the pro free speech crowd objects to. Elon may face a greater risk of harm with the world having a way to guess his location (broadly) but that's not a case to silence speech. It should also be noted he's a billionaire. Have you seen Zuckerberg's security spending?

spoils19 4y ago

Why do you care so much, if he (supposedly) doesn't? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

40four 4y ago
Because it's common sense? I honestly was not aware of that tweet before I posted this today. But you and others have pointed it out to me. Interesting he explicitly states it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Kind of strengthens my point no? Sure he said he would let it continue a month and a half ago, but upon further consideration, and the amount of attention it was getting I don't think it's outrageous at all for him to change his mind.