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As a child, presumably like many others, I was pretty enthralled by the concept of magic, magical formations, spells, and etc. And it was equally disheartening

by pkoird 4y ago

As a child, presumably like many others, I was pretty enthralled by the concept of magic, magical formations, spells, and etc. And it was equally disheartening to not find oneself in such a world. But growing up, I realized that we already have magic in our world, which we call electricity. We have formations to harness its powers, which would be the chips, and we have spells aka coding to bring them all together to literally perform magic.

loloquwowndueo 4y ago
And watch cat videos. :)
- Koshkin 4y ago
  The high-quality moving images on a flat screen still feel like magic.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I grew up with Harry Potter and now I express that I eventually became a wizard. I just scribble runes onto paper, then do clicky-clacks on my keyboard translating the runes into spells and make machines do magic.
pjmorris 4y ago
Danny Hillis makes a similar analogy in 'The Pattern on the Stone', where he reasons that if someone 200-300 years ago where told what he did for work he'd be burned as a witch.
- Kye 4y ago
  400-500 might be closer to accurate. 200-300 years ago was deep into the Enlightenment and well past the Scientific Revolution. Witch trials were already a fringe and rare thing by the 1600s.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    >Witch trials were already a fringe and rare thing by the 1600s. "The period of the European witch trials, with the most active phase and which saw the largest number of fatalities seems to have occurred between 1560 and 1630.[31][5] The period between 1560 and 1670 saw more than 40,000 deaths.[32]" from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_mo... Did you find any actual statistics? I did not, but as far as I know witch trials happened after the reformation and somewhat coincided with the enlightenment.
    - barkingcat 4y ago
      this also makes sense, because witch hunting socially would be a response to the successes of the scientific revoltion. Without the results/successes of tech developments, we probably wouldn't have as much witch burnings and hunts. Think about doctors walking around healing people, doing surgeries. That's basically what a witch does. Where else do they get their power? the Massachusetts witch trials were 1692-93, and pardons only started being given out well into the 1700's https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-the-salem-witch-trials-175162489/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-th... There's also the critical theory about how the Enlightenment is only the Enlightenment in retrospect. During that time, it would have been a miserable existence full of broken and exploited people, and people believing in totally different realities and agendas. It's like someone looking back 500 years in the future would would say "during the covid era science developed significant breakthroughs in universal vaccine technology" Where as looking from today, it's all about vaccine/mask denialism, protests about 5G microchips, mass information, mass deaths (a lot of people died in the last 2 years from disease), etc.
      - whatshisface 4y ago
        >There's also the critical theory about how the Enlightenment is only the Enlightenment in retrospect. During that time, it would have been a miserable existence full of broken and exploited people, and people believing in totally different realities and agendas. That's not a theory, that's the obvious interpretation of what everyone knows about the time period, including the people who were living in it. Even the texts of the enlightenment are often about how bad they think their society is.
bitwize 4y ago
As I say -- we imbue stones engraved with runes with lightning, making them come alive and do our bidding. Tell me again computers are not magic?
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A-Train 4y ago
Not sure it you know Terry Pratchett and his discworld series but this was his exact train of thought. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/10396286/Terry-Pratchett-interview-a-fantasy-writer-facing-reality.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/10...
- dhdc 4y ago
  Un-paywalled: http://archive.today/geASm http://archive.today/geASm
km3r 4y ago
Fun story about a world with programmable magic: https://www.themagineer.com/ https://www.themagineer.com/
- stevekemp 4y ago
  See also: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/631233.Wizard_s_Bane https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/631233.Wizard_s_Bane
- Oxidation 4y ago
  And also the Laundry Files where computation is magic (and also thins the walls of reality and allows the horrors that chitter behind to, well, not be behind it). Also hydrofluoric dragons.
amelius 4y ago
> to literally perform magic. Yeah but the magic happens mostly behind a flat surface that we call a screen.
- hugs 4y ago
  Mostly... unless you get a few servos and an Arduino. That's all I needed to start down my path from my "below the glass" 100% software job to working in robotics and making the magic work "above the glass".
- malux85 4y ago
  Most of the magic happens inside the silicon chip with electricity inside it, you have to flatten the rock and put lightning inside.
  - krallja 4y ago
    You put the lightning inside by using a mystical combination of poisons (dopants) and engravings (rubylith).
    - malux85 4y ago
      Ok this addition was just so cool, thank you for adding it!
- janalsncm 4y ago
  Well we also have these magic machines that drive themselves around. And pretty soon we’ll be able to use our magic surfaces to order them to take us places.
darepublic 4y ago
Yes and in dark souls magic spells are enabled by the intelligence stat
- mostlysimilar 4y ago
  Sadly this analogy begs the comparison to the Faith stat giving you magic defense. :(
colordrops 4y ago
This dawned on me as well when I watched a Feynman video on electromagnetism. He talked about that you can explain the "how" of its working, but not the "why". The fundamental forces of the universe are basically magic fields. And this is true for anything that is fundamental and can't be deconstructed further into more primary components.
- chinabot 4y ago
  This! Its not an 8 layer ISO stack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model), there many layers below the first layer some of which nobody understands.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Layer one encompasses the physical layer so I'm not convinced there's an additional layer to be had. It does require a deep understanding of the physics involved though.
    - dtgriscom 4y ago
      We have a clear and clean description of the apparent bottom layer of the universe, but we also have clear evidence that it's incomplete, that there's something else going on. So, physicists are spending billions of dollars trying to look one layer deeper and find "new physics." To no avail, yet...
MisterTea 4y ago
> But growing up, I realized that we already have magic in our world, which we call electricity. Today its kind of boring to most people (not me obviously) but imagine how magical it was upon discovery and propagation. A common need in industry is to turn a shaft which we now do with electric motors. Prior to the motor the only installable, on-demand source of rotational power was a steam engine. It had lots of moving parts, required a boiler, and fuel source that was either coal or wood and had to be carted in by horse. Then you had to hire skilled and trained operators to maintain the engines and the boilers. With electric all you do is connect two or three wires to a hunk of iron and copper and a shaft supported by two bearings spins. Just make sure the bearings are oiled, brushes (DC motors were once common) are in proper order, and you're good to go. There is no dangerous combustion or flue gas, pipes, or burn hazards, no fuel storage or hazards, no bulky boiler and no need for boilermen. In an instant an invisible force is pushing the shaft around who's only wear items are serviceable bearings. If you needed light to see the machines these motors operated just connect two wires to a glass sphere which emitted a bright illuminating glow. That's magic. Now thanks to modern high power transistors and smaller faster transistors in microchips we can tame this magical force much more accurately and cheaply enabling electric cars, led lighting, solar and renewables, high efficiency switching power supplies, and so much more. All this thanks to the magical invisible force of electricity and electromagnetism tamed by our equally magical semiconducting devices. The modern world is literally moved by these devices. I consider wireless to be black magic which is also enabled by really fast transistors.
calebm 4y ago
This talk on how silicon chips are manufactured, called "Indistinguishable from Magic" shows just how magical they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4
Melatonic 4y ago
I had a dream once where I somehow was in the far, far future. At first everything seemed like it had regressed or gone back to a more middle ages / middle earth type aesthetic. But then it became obvious that this was intentional - people had rejected a lot of technology and hidden others. So there were many things that did indeed seem like oldschool magic but were actually just powered behind the scenes by some very advanced tech.
- Aromasin 4y ago
  This makes for a great writing prompt. In some ways, you're describing the Warhammer 40k universe. The people of that world don't necessarily "reject" technology, but any understanding of it is lost, and things are maintained through ancient relics; the meaning behind which is completely unknown. It's a great fiction premise.
  - krapp 4y ago
    IIRC, One of the alien species in the Stargate series (filling the thematic role of "space elves") appeared primitive because their "technology" was "sufficiently advanced" to the point of being practically magic. I think there were examples in Star Trek as well but I can't remember specifics off the top of my head. It would be an obvious strategy to hide from the Borg but I don't know whether or not that ever happened. One could imagine a world where complex technology and knowledge was outlawed out of fear of "demons" when their far more advanced ancestors discovered the Borg umpteen thousand years ago and forcibly regressed their society to a more primitive state out of sheer terror, but no one understand the real context behind what's become just a deep cultural fear. I'm also reminded of the claim by someone in the UFO community - I think it's Robert Bigelow, but it doesn't really matter because it's all bullshit anyway - that UFOS are actually powered by ESP, they aren't even technology in any comprehensible sense, more like technology-shaped talismans that run on the power of space magic and make-believe. It would be hilarious if that were true, and somewhere in the bowels of some ultra top-secret underground base someone is trying to reverse engineer some crashed alien "tech" and being utterly baffled because it literally makes no sense.
- dtgriscom 4y ago

by pkoird 4y ago

loloquwowndueo 4y ago

And watch cat videos. :)

Koshkin 4y ago
The high-quality moving images on a flat screen still feel like magic.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

I grew up with Harry Potter and now I express that I eventually became a wizard. I just scribble runes onto paper, then do clicky-clacks on my keyboard translating the runes into spells and make machines do magic.

pjmorris 4y ago

Danny Hillis makes a similar analogy in 'The Pattern on the Stone', where he reasons that if someone 200-300 years ago where told what he did for work he'd be burned as a witch.

Kye 4y ago
400-500 might be closer to accurate. 200-300 years ago was deep into the Enlightenment and well past the Scientific Revolution. Witch trials were already a fringe and rare thing by the 1600s.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >Witch trials were already a fringe and rare thing by the 1600s. "The period of the European witch trials, with the most active phase and which saw the largest number of fatalities seems to have occurred between 1560 and 1630.[31][5] The period between 1560 and 1670 saw more than 40,000 deaths.[32]" from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_mo... Did you find any actual statistics? I did not, but as far as I know witch trials happened after the reformation and somewhat coincided with the enlightenment.
  - barkingcat 4y ago
    this also makes sense, because witch hunting socially would be a response to the successes of the scientific revoltion. Without the results/successes of tech developments, we probably wouldn't have as much witch burnings and hunts. Think about doctors walking around healing people, doing surgeries. That's basically what a witch does. Where else do they get their power? the Massachusetts witch trials were 1692-93, and pardons only started being given out well into the 1700's https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-the-salem-witch-trials-175162489/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-th... There's also the critical theory about how the Enlightenment is only the Enlightenment in retrospect. During that time, it would have been a miserable existence full of broken and exploited people, and people believing in totally different realities and agendas. It's like someone looking back 500 years in the future would would say "during the covid era science developed significant breakthroughs in universal vaccine technology" Where as looking from today, it's all about vaccine/mask denialism, protests about 5G microchips, mass information, mass deaths (a lot of people died in the last 2 years from disease), etc.
    - whatshisface 4y ago
      >There's also the critical theory about how the Enlightenment is only the Enlightenment in retrospect. During that time, it would have been a miserable existence full of broken and exploited people, and people believing in totally different realities and agendas. That's not a theory, that's the obvious interpretation of what everyone knows about the time period, including the people who were living in it. Even the texts of the enlightenment are often about how bad they think their society is.

bitwize 4y ago

As I say -- we imbue stones engraved with runes with lightning, making them come alive and do our bidding. Tell me again computers are not magic?

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A-Train 4y ago

Not sure it you know Terry Pratchett and his discworld series but this was his exact train of thought. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/10396286/Terry-Pratchett-interview-a-fantasy-writer-facing-reality.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/10...

dhdc 4y ago
Un-paywalled: http://archive.today/geASm http://archive.today/geASm

km3r 4y ago

Fun story about a world with programmable magic: https://www.themagineer.com/ https://www.themagineer.com/

stevekemp 4y ago
See also: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/631233.Wizard_s_Bane https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/631233.Wizard_s_Bane
Oxidation 4y ago
And also the Laundry Files where computation is magic (and also thins the walls of reality and allows the horrors that chitter behind to, well, not be behind it). Also hydrofluoric dragons.

amelius 4y ago

> to literally perform magic. Yeah but the magic happens mostly behind a flat surface that we call a screen.

hugs 4y ago
Mostly... unless you get a few servos and an Arduino. That's all I needed to start down my path from my "below the glass" 100% software job to working in robotics and making the magic work "above the glass".
malux85 4y ago
Most of the magic happens inside the silicon chip with electricity inside it, you have to flatten the rock and put lightning inside.
- krallja 4y ago
  You put the lightning inside by using a mystical combination of poisons (dopants) and engravings (rubylith).
  - malux85 4y ago
    Ok this addition was just so cool, thank you for adding it!
janalsncm 4y ago
Well we also have these magic machines that drive themselves around. And pretty soon we’ll be able to use our magic surfaces to order them to take us places.

darepublic 4y ago

Yes and in dark souls magic spells are enabled by the intelligence stat

mostlysimilar 4y ago
Sadly this analogy begs the comparison to the Faith stat giving you magic defense. :(

colordrops 4y ago

This dawned on me as well when I watched a Feynman video on electromagnetism. He talked about that you can explain the "how" of its working, but not the "why". The fundamental forces of the universe are basically magic fields. And this is true for anything that is fundamental and can't be deconstructed further into more primary components.

chinabot 4y ago
This! Its not an 8 layer ISO stack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model), there many layers below the first layer some of which nobody understands.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Layer one encompasses the physical layer so I'm not convinced there's an additional layer to be had. It does require a deep understanding of the physics involved though.
  - dtgriscom 4y ago
    We have a clear and clean description of the apparent bottom layer of the universe, but we also have clear evidence that it's incomplete, that there's something else going on. So, physicists are spending billions of dollars trying to look one layer deeper and find "new physics." To no avail, yet...

MisterTea 4y ago

> But growing up, I realized that we already have magic in our world, which we call electricity. Today its kind of boring to most people (not me obviously) but imagine how magical it was upon discovery and propagation. A common need in industry is to turn a shaft which we now do with electric motors. Prior to the motor the only installable, on-demand source of rotational power was a steam engine. It had lots of moving parts, required a boiler, and fuel source that was either coal or wood and had to be carted in by horse. Then you had to hire skilled and trained operators to maintain the engines and the boilers. With electric all you do is connect two or three wires to a hunk of iron and copper and a shaft supported by two bearings spins. Just make sure the bearings are oiled, brushes (DC motors were once common) are in proper order, and you're good to go. There is no dangerous combustion or flue gas, pipes, or burn hazards, no fuel storage or hazards, no bulky boiler and no need for boilermen. In an instant an invisible force is pushing the shaft around who's only wear items are serviceable bearings. If you needed light to see the machines these motors operated just connect two wires to a glass sphere which emitted a bright illuminating glow. That's magic. Now thanks to modern high power transistors and smaller faster transistors in microchips we can tame this magical force much more accurately and cheaply enabling electric cars, led lighting, solar and renewables, high efficiency switching power supplies, and so much more. All this thanks to the magical invisible force of electricity and electromagnetism tamed by our equally magical semiconducting devices. The modern world is literally moved by these devices. I consider wireless to be black magic which is also enabled by really fast transistors.

calebm 4y ago

This talk on how silicon chips are manufactured, called "Indistinguishable from Magic" shows just how magical they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4

Melatonic 4y ago

I had a dream once where I somehow was in the far, far future. At first everything seemed like it had regressed or gone back to a more middle ages / middle earth type aesthetic. But then it became obvious that this was intentional - people had rejected a lot of technology and hidden others. So there were many things that did indeed seem like oldschool magic but were actually just powered behind the scenes by some very advanced tech.

Aromasin 4y ago
This makes for a great writing prompt. In some ways, you're describing the Warhammer 40k universe. The people of that world don't necessarily "reject" technology, but any understanding of it is lost, and things are maintained through ancient relics; the meaning behind which is completely unknown. It's a great fiction premise.
- krapp 4y ago
  IIRC, One of the alien species in the Stargate series (filling the thematic role of "space elves") appeared primitive because their "technology" was "sufficiently advanced" to the point of being practically magic. I think there were examples in Star Trek as well but I can't remember specifics off the top of my head. It would be an obvious strategy to hide from the Borg but I don't know whether or not that ever happened. One could imagine a world where complex technology and knowledge was outlawed out of fear of "demons" when their far more advanced ancestors discovered the Borg umpteen thousand years ago and forcibly regressed their society to a more primitive state out of sheer terror, but no one understand the real context behind what's become just a deep cultural fear. I'm also reminded of the claim by someone in the UFO community - I think it's Robert Bigelow, but it doesn't really matter because it's all bullshit anyway - that UFOS are actually powered by ESP, they aren't even technology in any comprehensible sense, more like technology-shaped talismans that run on the power of space magic and make-believe. It would be hilarious if that were true, and somewhere in the bowels of some ultra top-secret underground base someone is trying to reverse engineer some crashed alien "tech" and being utterly baffled because it literally makes no sense.
dtgriscom 4y ago