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Fantasy Jodorowsky Tron visualisations

352 points by bj-rn 4y ago

thanatos519 4y ago
Stunning. Definitely worth fixing the link for! https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...
- bj-rn 4y ago
  Oh, double-pasted. Unfortunately can't edit anymore.
  - sphars 4y ago
    Email the mods at hn@ycombinator.com and they can fix the link for you
    - aliqot 4y ago
      - cjsawyer 4y ago
        This trust is exactly why Reddit sucks now.
      - stavros 4y ago
        You mean "what link farmer would pay for a high karma account?", and the answer probably is "many".
      - kadoban 4y ago
        It's just not that big of a deal. How often does it happen? And you can just reply to yourself too to "fix" it. Better than the chaos of unrestricted edits.
    - Etheryte 4y ago
      Usually flagging either the post itself or the comment pointing out the correct link works too and is a lot quicker.
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raydiatian 4y ago
Ah. So it’s a fast-takeoff then. Looking forward to being enslaved by the elites with AI being used as a wall to separate billionaires from everybody else.
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  You assume we will be allowed to live. Once they have robotic armies they won't be so nice anymore.
- esrauch 4y ago
  Can you explain the connection? Only huge multinational corporations can fund the production of movies like Dune and Tron today, and if anything it seems like this phase of ai art is surprisingly scrappy/democratic/grassroots and not hidden behind a billionaires lock and key.
  - gedy 4y ago
    This is why I'm very suspicious of any push for AI regulation in the guise of "safety", etc. There's just too much money involved to trust the motives.
29athrowaway 4y ago
Jodorowsky is insane. El Topo makes it clear.
- monocasa 4y ago
  I'd say that Jodorowsky posits that insanity is core to the human experience.
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    He killed a bunch of rabbits for a scene in El Topo.
    - monocasa 4y ago
      He did
kebman 4y ago
Why aren't film producers throwing money at Jodorowsky? The visuals and stories he'd tell would surely be mind blowing. (I ofc know these are AI generated images, but it still makes me wonder.) For instance I'm certain that it's his influence that made Nicolas Winding Refn make Neon Demon.
- staticautomatic 4y ago
  Maybe because of what happened to Dune
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  - Maxburn 4y ago
    What happened? I was never clear on why he didn't get the nod for that, cast in place etc..
    - pjc50 4y ago
      Having had the pleasure of listening to Chris Foss (concept artist for Dune) talk about it, it seems that Jodorosky and his circle were simply too drunk and/or high at that point to actually complete a movie.
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      - Maxburn 4y ago
        Risky investment then. Sad, plenty of other drug fueled films made it.
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      if you watch the documentary "jodorosky's dune" he goes over it, and basically boiling down to the studios "liking the concept" but "not getting the director" especially that he wanted total creative freedom and to make the movie as long as he saw fit, but studios wanting a smaller budget and 90mins etc btw, the incredible storyboards for dune are a feast if you can bits that are floating around
transfire 4y ago
Amazing. I’d pay to see that.
teddyh 4y ago
Headline does not reveal that this is all AI-generated art; Jorodowsky never designed anything for Tron.
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- hackeraccount 4y ago
  I can't tell if the people commenting are realizing that or not. In any case AI design ... I don't know, if I was a skeptic before I'm definitely curious now. It does make me think about the legal implications. This reminds me about the makers of the song "blurred lines" getting sued by the estate of Marvin Gaye. To listen to that song and "Got to Give It Up" by Gaye is (to my mind) acknowledge that they didn't exactly take the song with out credit buy they did (to reference the Apple v. Microsoft case) take the look and feel. INAL so I can't square those two cases in my mind (Gaye's estate won and Apple lost) but this really suggests that: A - copyright is idiotic on some level B - there's going to be a lot more of that type of case
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Before I understood it was AI, I found it odd that some of the women were somewhat sexualized visually. That seemed to be a bit disconnected from the idea that this is a machine world where I expect it to be emotionless, sexless. You may disagree but to me it points out the shortcomings still present in AI art — a lack of the ability to make editorial decisions.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Except the machine world in Tron has never been presented as emotionless or sexless. The plot of Tron 2 literally involves a budding romance between the protagonist and a hot computer girl. The franchise's lack of overt sexuality is due more to it being a Disney property than anything, but they didn't hire Olivia Wilde for her acting skills. Plus, one could imagine the Jodorowsky version of Tron simply making different editorial decisions. It isn't as if fetishizing technology is unheard of - it was HR Giger's entire thing, and it goes back all the way to Metropolis. Obviously this wasn't the result of a conscious application of vision, but it could very well have been.
aliqot 4y ago
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- linux2647 4y ago
  Submitted link is broken. It’s found here: https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...
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gedy 4y ago
This is my favorite "use" of AI generation. Imagining art in the style of artists who've passed away but in new settings and contexts. Unable to share right now but people like F.W. Murnau, Matisse, Paul Gauguin, etc
- svantana 4y ago
  FWIW, Jodorowsky is still alive.
darepublic 4y ago
I experimented with midjourney and while it produced some interesting pieces I couldn't imagine creating something like these tron images with it. Like I couldn't get midjourney to even create a proper looking chess piece for instance
- naillo 4y ago
  I was about to say 'I can't tell if this is AI generated or not at this point' mostly as a joke based on first impressions, but it's actually shocking that it turns out to be.
- baron816 4y ago
  I’m always blown away by the images Midjourney is creating: https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/ https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/. I think there is some skill in creating these, but the output can be really amazing and it’s constantly getting better.
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- msephton 4y ago
  Having read the responses of the guy that generated these, the prompt is as simple as production still from 1976 of Jodorowsky's TRON, 20 ASA 35mm --v 4 --ar 3:2 production still in version 4 doing most of the heavy lifting, with the year and film propeties giving a bit more vibe, and of course the overarching theme of TRON in the style of Jodorowsky. Add some extra words to differentiate scenes, such as light cycle or disc or computer. Add wide aspect ratio, and that's it. So it's 99% Midjourney. Mind blowing.
- johnfn 4y ago
  Version 4 of Midjourney, released 2-3 weeks ago, is an outrageous improvement over all previous versions of Midjourney, and has gone mostly unnoticed by HN. IMO, v4 Midjourney is to DALLE2 what DALLE2 was to all previous AI art generation.
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mdp2021 4y ago
I was about to reply to the skepticism of a poster, who deleted the post in the meantime: This is a clear context in which re-doing something in the style of some Author can be radically inappropriate: the visual style is stunningly good, but an unintelligent operation - it is relatively easy to mock a style, while the real thing was the judgement underneath. The Author knows if and why he would have used a curve made in such way in that place - not the simple mocker. Edit: in case some wanted to advance the idea that they are contented with the visuals, AJ is a foremost example of visuals studied to serve a content. Not to mention his declared contempt against states of poor hallucination.
- msephton 4y ago
  I think something has been lost in translation.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    You must mean «his declared contempt against states of poor hallucination» (pls avoid improper ambiguity): no, he had contemptuous terms for drug users he worked with.
abledantheman 4y ago
Those are lovely images. However while there is an awful lot of 'background symmetry' AI seems woefully incapable of 'human figure' symmetry that, to me anyway, it really sticks out. Eyes not quite the same size, breasts pointing in markedly different directions, bone structure on the face markedly different to each side. To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are for this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother). Anyway, thanks to whoever made this. I think there could be a market in 'imaginary film posters'. P.S. Did it really need the 'Disney' logo on it though?
- btbuildem 4y ago
  While we're generally symmetrical, the human body is full of wonderful irregularities -- different sized eyes or slightly longer/shorter limbs etc are exceedingly common.
- dEnigma 4y ago
  > To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are for this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother). My brain was so forgiving that I didn't even really notice the asymmetries until I looked at the images a second time after reading your comment. I agree that especially in the case of eyes it distracts a bit. Those are generally pretty symmetrical (I say, with one eye that is always a bit narrower compared to the other ^^)
- biztos 4y ago
  > Eyes not quite the same size, breasts pointing in markedly different directions, bone structure on the face markedly different to each side. Jodorowsky would absolutely cast actors with those physical characteristics if they could be found, so in this case I’d say feature not bug.
- msephton 4y ago
  The symmetry of human faces is possible, Midjourney can now do it easily, but the promoter didn't ask for it in this instance.
kinard 4y ago
Glad I came to the comments, it's amazing.
andrekandre 4y ago
yt video of the images to some trippy music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Yfv4kedD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Yfv4kedD8
JKCalhoun 4y ago
Can't help but see shades of "Metropolis". Is there perhaps an Art-Deco style the AI is drawing from? It caused me to wonder if Tron was a world inside a computer ... or our own future (and, sure, why not both).
- thanatos519 4y ago
  Indeed, I'd love to see the Fritz Lang version of TRON!
  - usrusr 4y ago
    Look at the flickering faces in the original Tron's composite screens, grainy high contrast black and white just tinted a little. That's a very deliberate choice, and given the prominence of Metropolis chances aren't small that the inspiration wasn't just any silent era look (granted, they all looked like that), but straight from Fritz Lang. Just watch a well-tinted copy of his Niebelungen, it's basically the Tron look just longer https://www.pinterest.de/pin/292593307055535367/ https://www.pinterest.de/pin/292593307055535367/
323 4y ago
Big opportunity for studios. Instead of selling the 4K version of an old movie, now they can re-imagine it in 10 different styles.
- stavros 4y ago
  And so can we!
- javajosh 4y ago
  This is the most interesting aspect of all of this. It works for music, too: what if your audio playback device could modify a song in real-time to add or remove instruments, or play in a different style. The same could be done with a movie. This also has great applications for musicians looking to learn a piece. YouTube's ability to slow a video without modifying pitch has been really great for this application, too.
  - echelon 4y ago
    You can already do vocal replacement and create new covers of old songs. High quality pitch matching and vocal replacement is here [1] and is going to be big. You can generate Smash Mouth's "All Star" as every single president, celebrity, vocalist, or cartoon character. Or whatever you feed it. Within the next year the field will move onto changing instrumentals and generating novel tracks. [1] The tool I've written and will be deploying as the next version of FakeYou.com does this at high fidelity
- stemlord 4y ago
  Wouldnt that completely diminish the value of film? I feel like this will kill studios.
elevaet 4y ago
This is fantastic. I want to watch the movie! What do you think are the odds that we'll see a feature length AI powered "Jodorowsky's Tron" film within say.. the next 20 years? Some shepherding by humans allowed of course.
- vernon99 4y ago
  I think you seriously underestimate the pace of AI innovation these days. My conservative guess is 5 years for a single-human-supervised full length movie of this sort.
- usrusr 4y ago
  Would definitely want to watch it! That synthetic style (synthetic, as in "put-together" as well as in "created by technology") nicely picks up the expressionist high-contrast b/w that was so great in the original Tron's composite images and applies its attitude to the other visual dimensions as well. If Jeff Bezos were to fall in love with that look and indulge in another of his "it's my money and I want to see it!" film hobbies, I wonder if a well-funded team like that could actually pick up the look and make it a movie reality? Or would they inevitably fail to capture the magic and churn out yet another interchangeable cgi rumble?
IronRod 4y ago
Yes. Thanks, thanatos519 for providing the corrected link and thank you bj-rn for the original post. Fascinating!
prepend 4y ago
I can’t wait until they just make the movie. I suspect that something like this is running already on scripts and vfx and that explains some of the really mediocre content from Netflix, Disney, etc (ie, “they don’t make ‘em like they used to”).
colordrops 4y ago
I'd love to see Jodorowsky's Lord of the Rings.
- msephton 4y ago
  Here we go, the first and only attempt from me https://imgur.com/a/mNRNtxr https://imgur.com/a/mNRNtxr Prompt the same format as used in Jodorowsky's TRON: production still from 1976 of Alejandro Jodorowsky's Lord of The Rings, 20 ASA 35mm --v 4 --ar 3:2
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Very nice, seems like there is room for a more grungey interpretation of LotR
  - usrusr 4y ago
    These prompts remind me of how I always thought that the way Star Trek characters "authored" holodeck scenes with just a few words were utterly unrealistic, even by Star Trek standards. Ouch
mortenjorck 4y ago
This feels like a peek at the first truly practical application of AI art beyond “I need a blurry illustration for my blog post”. I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art director's creative process of exploring the look of a project quickly and iteratively, yet at high fidelity. Even with the unavoidable AI artifacts, the aesthetic of these images is incredibly evocative.
- open-source-ux 4y ago
  I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art director's creative process I had a similar thought. What will AI-generated images means for production designers in film? Will the easy availability of AI images redefine a whole class of design or artist roles? Only time will tell, but I suspect it will happen quickly.
qwerty456127 4y ago
So beautiful. Why can't the real world be this way?
2-718-281-828 4y ago
Endless Poetry (Poesia sin Fin) was for me one of the most beautiful and touching movies I ever watched - yet, it certainly was also very tough to watch at times. Some scenes pushed the cringyness factor to the limit. Other scenes were so mesmerizing that I'm coming back to them from time to time.
lordfrito 4y ago
This is simply amazing. There were so many images there that are photorealistic enough that I was trying to figure out was this a real live action project? Or had someone simply staged the images as part of a larger "art project " or something... Took me by surprise that this was AI generated, although in hindsight it should have been obvious. For me, this is the moment I realized AI art had become something "useful", and the world isn't going to be the same. I can see where this is going... The commercial implications are enormous. Speeding up the concept art process for movies, etc. As someone here mentioned, why not make entire movies this way? Once they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the movie industry out of business. I can only imagine what my grandkids are going to be using this for.
- 72mena 4y ago
  > Once they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the movie industry out of business. I'm also intrigued about the potential of AI-generated animation. However, I don't think the industry would be "out of business", but rather they would simply evolve into a new phase. The established movie industry will most likely have access to the most expensive and performant AI models to make short and long form animations, which would be time and cost prohibiting for hobbyists.
  - lordfrito 4y ago
    Agree, the movie industry won't be out of business overnight. Like IBM, the rumors of "company X" demise are greatly exaggerated, and this tech is far from mature. But my god at first I thought this was real. The clock is now ticking, fast forward several generations, and what are we dealing with here? To me this is a Napster moment. If your job is related to the movie making industry at all, you should be sitting up and taking notice. The industry is a massive/slow behemoth that is a ripe target for this kind of disruption. What's the point of building sets once these tools become photorealistic? Yes we're still in the Uncanny Valley, but that's just a matter of time to solve these kinds of problems (deepfakes anyone?). CGI killed the traditional animation industry. Even Disney shuttered it's traditional animation department. I think we're looking at the same kind of disruption here on the live action side of things. Why have a studio lot at all ? Equipment rental, prop rental, stunt actors, logistics, food service, you name it. Talk about the end of brick and mortar. My guess is it will look a lot like the music industry, which has essentially become all Marketing and Promotion, where the actual production of music has almost become an afterthought. The Marketing arms of the industry may be the only thing that survives the transition in some recognizable form. There will always be a demand for "live action", just like traditional animation is still being done in some niche corners. [1] But that's the exception, not the rule. You'll continue to have enthusiasts using traditional methods for the sake of it. But I think the clock is now ticking. It may be in its primitive infancy, but add time and the tech stack will eventually mature. Lately, more and more, I feel like I'm actually living in the future. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOneMdjpw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOneMdjpw4
waltbosz 4y ago
> There seems to be a current trend in AI circles of mashing up film genres or visualising existent films either within different time periods or with different directors. Out of boredom, I fed the prompt "Fight Club" into Stable Diffusion, and it generated some interesting images of a human that looked like a mixture of Brad Pitt and Edward Norton. I've seen similar mixed up results when I type a prompt that includes two obscure animals, such as "an emu playing chess with a lemur". The AI spits out an animal that looks like a cross between an emu and a lemur, instead of the two separate animals playing chess. I want to know more about how these algorithms work, but that level of detail is hard for me to comprehend. I remember struggling in my college algorithms class to write code to do something relatively simple: I think the assignment was to: given a XY plane with a set of points, I had to find a set of lines that would create an intersection of polygons that contained only one point each.
VieEnCode 4y ago
Midjourney is insane: simultaneously really inspiring and terrifying in the quality of "imaginative" images it's effortlessly spitting out.
taf2 4y ago
These graphics are amazing. I had to tweak the site just a little and the imagery is even easier to view... set the body to background:#000; and color:#eee; remove the float:left and set the main to width:100% - zoom the content 3 times and feast your eyes on amazing graphics.
sbf501 4y ago
I'm having trouble believing an AI did this. I mean, I know it did, and I trust HN to call BS. But ... it's just too perfectly imperfect. You can almost spot the cardboard headwear. I literally can't convince myself an AI did it. It's a weird feeling I'm experiencing.
- konfusinomicon 4y ago
  it's too good and if real im very impressed. these are the best AI generated images ive ever seen, they fit the theme almost too perfectly. I want to see the prompts that made something of this caliber
- roywiggins 4y ago
  If you look at the hands they are messed up in the way these tools always seem to mess hands up. (that's not to take away from the rest of it, which is pretty extraordinary)
  - jimlikeslimes 4y ago
    The art cliche "hands are hard" strikes again. Lucid dreamers also describe hands not looking right in dreams, using it as a tell that they are dreaming. I've also seen my hands look like these pictures when taking LSD. With merged fingers etc. Looking at my hands and counting 5 fingers is definitely comforting.
gsatic 4y ago
Man do ppl even know Jodorowsky? Cause he would definitely shit on AI generated art. He was bored of mindless American shit long before anyone was complaining - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw
- dav_Oz 4y ago
  Well, who knows him really? What I‘d gather about him over the decades of work, is that he deliberately uses provocation/expressive words for his art/communication. I think in the context of that little clip he was hinting at the ruthless commercialisation of American cinema/comics; and indeed since then it had well developed to today‘s Marvelization of Hollywood[0], a multi-billion industry of its own. He is 93 now, so I think he doesn’t give a shit about anything at this point, but I like to think that back then as a young artist he would have embraced/explored/experimented with AI generated good shit to enhance/help his artistic vision. In the end it seems that mattered to him most. [0]https://www.paudal.com/2022/11/24/quentin-tarantino-marvelization-of-movies-means-captain-america-is-a-bigger-star-than-chris-evans/ https://www.paudal.com/2022/11/24/quentin-tarantino-marveliz...
  - gsatic 4y ago
    Commercialization and info overload has diluted the impact of ALL art to just sensory stimulation. After the oohs and aahs there is nothing else going on in anyones head, cause there is always something else thrown infront of them on their infinite streams. And while AI generated art is just another tool in a giant warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit? Cause take a look around at the impact of the best of the best. There is none.
    - dav_Oz 4y ago
      >And while AI generated art is just another tool in a giant warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit? Cause take a look around at the impact of the best of the best. There is none. The quality of that “tool” in particular is imho markedly different as opposed to non-AI digital tools. It opens up a space of possibilities for “visual art” which is now tangentially comparable to the impact of computers (i.e. computations per unit time) to the art of proofs in mathematics. One way of using its power is by calculating pi to the n-th place (“eye candy” in “visual art speak”) or another to overcome the sheer amount of calculations necessary (technical limitations) for a viable proof.[0] If there is one way to prove it can inspire confidence for a more elegant/aesthetically pleasing/understandable proof. As for the impact, I agree, we have yet to see. Maybe I’m too optimistic. One [1] of my favourite music clips from now over 20 years ago which looks (in its sterility) entirely AI/computer generated but actually is modelled frame by frame in Lightwave 3D (by the artist Alex Rutterford). [0]https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-helps-prove-long-sought-fluid-equation-singularity-20221116/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-helps-prove-long-sou... [1]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3vENli7wQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3vENli7wQ
SevenNation 4y ago
There are more (non-FB) images here: https://goodinternet.substack.com/p/if-jodorowsky-directed-tron https://goodinternet.substack.com/p/if-jodorowsky-directed-t...
robotresearcher 4y ago
One image has a recognizable Han Solo, with classic outfit, side parting, but not quite Ford's face. A weird cut'n'paste from the conceptual-visual space. This outfit: https://www.alamy.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-1983-20th-century-fox-film-with-harrison-ford-image344770321.html?imageid=F818E4E2-7D6D-4237-A925-28F16E8928EF&p=13044&pn=1&searchId=721627c3387e111c0191474034ae16d7&searchtype=0 https://www.alamy.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-1983-20th...
khazhoux 4y ago
I'll be the one to call B.S. E.g., here, I'm skeptical about the specular reflections, which show a blue light on the left, a yellow light on the right, and a (seemingly) physically-accurate transition down the middle. Plus the too-plausible DOF in the background. https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-2-8.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-... This image, with the patterns following the 3D contour of her head. And the glossy reflection of the lights on the tabletop. https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-2-14.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-... My wager is this is possibly using some AI-generated imagery, but it is largely a human art project.
- jazzyjackson 4y ago
  Yea, I could eat crow but I don't see any of the typical artifacts here, detail remains coherent all the way down. "Big if true", wouldn't it be simple for these images to be distributed with a signature by the midjourney API so that us doubters could check which version of the algorithm was used?
  - corysama 4y ago
    I get ya both. But, I frequently see plausible-ish reflections and DOF in MJ generations. Usually there is some error you have to look for. For example, 2 out of 3 windows reflected. This image shows what I’m taking about. The vertical lines are reflected, but not the horizontal lit lines. Bonus: jumbled fingers https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-1-7.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-...
- stolenmerch 4y ago
  To my eye, they are clearly synthetic elements composited together in Photoshop or similar with a keen artistic, human eye. Doesn't keep it from being amazing, but there's no way these faux film stills are coming straight out of a generator.
- moralestapia 4y ago
  Yes, this is bull. Midjourney is great, but not this great. From his FB post: "(All images created in Midjourney with zero post-imaging, except for the movie poster with typography done in photoshop)" No way there's zero post-prod.
TruthWillHurt 4y ago
If Jodorowsky was indeed capable of such style and vision - it would truely be amazing. Unfortunately the mith is larger than the man.
Pxtl 4y ago
All I can think when I see this stuff is that the end is nigh. I'd assumed we'd have artificial intelligence before artificial creativity but it looks like nope. How far can the singularity possibly be?
tunnuz 4y ago
This is incredible and beautiful. I think that as technologists we need to embrace this evolution, which will touch all areas of our work, or be left behind.
zeristor 4y ago
I may be mistaken, but the film Tron looks to have been inspired by this section from a 1940s Busby Berkeley film: “The Gang’s All Here” This has been edited as a video for the song Soft Core by Tamaryn: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AnZDaK9Vy0Y https://youtube.com/watch?v=AnZDaK9Vy0Y The Gang’s All Here, and yes that’s Carmen Miranda: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xZp-s4wIc_s https://youtube.com/watch?v=xZp-s4wIc_s
husamia 4y ago
wen AI movies generated on the fly....
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Gene5ive 4y ago
The amount of time it would take to edit these to remove the subtle AI nonsense/artifacts/dysmorphia is a fraction of that time it would take to make the images from scratch. There will still be art departments but they will be 10x smaller.

352 points by bj-rn 4y ago

Stunning. Definitely worth fixing the link for! https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...

bj-rn 4y ago
Oh, double-pasted. Unfortunately can't edit anymore.
- sphars 4y ago
  Email the mods at hn@ycombinator.com and they can fix the link for you
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    - cjsawyer 4y ago
      This trust is exactly why Reddit sucks now.
    - stavros 4y ago
      You mean "what link farmer would pay for a high karma account?", and the answer probably is "many".
    - kadoban 4y ago
      It's just not that big of a deal. How often does it happen? And you can just reply to yourself too to "fix" it. Better than the chaos of unrestricted edits.
  - Etheryte 4y ago
    Usually flagging either the post itself or the comment pointing out the correct link works too and is a lot quicker.
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raydiatian 4y ago

Ah. So it’s a fast-takeoff then. Looking forward to being enslaved by the elites with AI being used as a wall to separate billionaires from everybody else.

29athrowaway 4y ago
You assume we will be allowed to live. Once they have robotic armies they won't be so nice anymore.
esrauch 4y ago
Can you explain the connection? Only huge multinational corporations can fund the production of movies like Dune and Tron today, and if anything it seems like this phase of ai art is surprisingly scrappy/democratic/grassroots and not hidden behind a billionaires lock and key.
- gedy 4y ago
  This is why I'm very suspicious of any push for AI regulation in the guise of "safety", etc. There's just too much money involved to trust the motives.

29athrowaway 4y ago

Jodorowsky is insane. El Topo makes it clear.

monocasa 4y ago
I'd say that Jodorowsky posits that insanity is core to the human experience.
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  He killed a bunch of rabbits for a scene in El Topo.
  - monocasa 4y ago
    He did

kebman 4y ago

Why aren't film producers throwing money at Jodorowsky? The visuals and stories he'd tell would surely be mind blowing. (I ofc know these are AI generated images, but it still makes me wonder.) For instance I'm certain that it's his influence that made Nicolas Winding Refn make Neon Demon.

staticautomatic 4y ago
Maybe because of what happened to Dune
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- Maxburn 4y ago
  What happened? I was never clear on why he didn't get the nod for that, cast in place etc..
  - pjc50 4y ago
    Having had the pleasure of listening to Chris Foss (concept artist for Dune) talk about it, it seems that Jodorosky and his circle were simply too drunk and/or high at that point to actually complete a movie.
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    - Maxburn 4y ago
      Risky investment then. Sad, plenty of other drug fueled films made it.
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    if you watch the documentary "jodorosky's dune" he goes over it, and basically boiling down to the studios "liking the concept" but "not getting the director" especially that he wanted total creative freedom and to make the movie as long as he saw fit, but studios wanting a smaller budget and 90mins etc btw, the incredible storyboards for dune are a feast if you can bits that are floating around

transfire 4y ago

Amazing. I’d pay to see that.

teddyh 4y ago

Headline does not reveal that this is all AI-generated art; Jorodowsky never designed anything for Tron.

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hackeraccount 4y ago
I can't tell if the people commenting are realizing that or not. In any case AI design ... I don't know, if I was a skeptic before I'm definitely curious now. It does make me think about the legal implications. This reminds me about the makers of the song "blurred lines" getting sued by the estate of Marvin Gaye. To listen to that song and "Got to Give It Up" by Gaye is (to my mind) acknowledge that they didn't exactly take the song with out credit buy they did (to reference the Apple v. Microsoft case) take the look and feel. INAL so I can't square those two cases in my mind (Gaye's estate won and Apple lost) but this really suggests that: A - copyright is idiotic on some level B - there's going to be a lot more of that type of case
JKCalhoun 4y ago
Before I understood it was AI, I found it odd that some of the women were somewhat sexualized visually. That seemed to be a bit disconnected from the idea that this is a machine world where I expect it to be emotionless, sexless. You may disagree but to me it points out the shortcomings still present in AI art — a lack of the ability to make editorial decisions.
- krapp 4y ago
  Except the machine world in Tron has never been presented as emotionless or sexless. The plot of Tron 2 literally involves a budding romance between the protagonist and a hot computer girl. The franchise's lack of overt sexuality is due more to it being a Disney property than anything, but they didn't hire Olivia Wilde for her acting skills. Plus, one could imagine the Jodorowsky version of Tron simply making different editorial decisions. It isn't as if fetishizing technology is unheard of - it was HR Giger's entire thing, and it goes back all the way to Metropolis. Obviously this wasn't the result of a conscious application of vision, but it could very well have been.

aliqot 4y ago

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linux2647 4y ago
Submitted link is broken. It’s found here: https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...

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gedy 4y ago

This is my favorite "use" of AI generation. Imagining art in the style of artists who've passed away but in new settings and contexts. Unable to share right now but people like F.W. Murnau, Matisse, Paul Gauguin, etc

svantana 4y ago
FWIW, Jodorowsky is still alive.

darepublic 4y ago

I experimented with midjourney and while it produced some interesting pieces I couldn't imagine creating something like these tron images with it. Like I couldn't get midjourney to even create a proper looking chess piece for instance

naillo 4y ago
I was about to say 'I can't tell if this is AI generated or not at this point' mostly as a joke based on first impressions, but it's actually shocking that it turns out to be.
baron816 4y ago
I’m always blown away by the images Midjourney is creating: https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/ https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/. I think there is some skill in creating these, but the output can be really amazing and it’s constantly getting better.
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msephton 4y ago
Having read the responses of the guy that generated these, the prompt is as simple as production still from 1976 of Jodorowsky's TRON, 20 ASA 35mm --v 4 --ar 3:2 production still in version 4 doing most of the heavy lifting, with the year and film propeties giving a bit more vibe, and of course the overarching theme of TRON in the style of Jodorowsky. Add some extra words to differentiate scenes, such as light cycle or disc or computer. Add wide aspect ratio, and that's it. So it's 99% Midjourney. Mind blowing.
johnfn 4y ago
Version 4 of Midjourney, released 2-3 weeks ago, is an outrageous improvement over all previous versions of Midjourney, and has gone mostly unnoticed by HN. IMO, v4 Midjourney is to DALLE2 what DALLE2 was to all previous AI art generation.

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mdp2021 4y ago

I was about to reply to the skepticism of a poster, who deleted the post in the meantime: This is a clear context in which re-doing something in the style of some Author can be radically inappropriate: the visual style is stunningly good, but an unintelligent operation - it is relatively easy to mock a style, while the real thing was the judgement underneath. The Author knows if and why he would have used a curve made in such way in that place - not the simple mocker. Edit: in case some wanted to advance the idea that they are contented with the visuals, AJ is a foremost example of visuals studied to serve a content. Not to mention his declared contempt against states of poor hallucination.

msephton 4y ago
I think something has been lost in translation.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  You must mean «his declared contempt against states of poor hallucination» (pls avoid improper ambiguity): no, he had contemptuous terms for drug users he worked with.

abledantheman 4y ago

Those are lovely images. However while there is an awful lot of 'background symmetry' AI seems woefully incapable of 'human figure' symmetry that, to me anyway, it really sticks out. Eyes not quite the same size, breasts pointing in markedly different directions, bone structure on the face markedly different to each side. To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are for this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother). Anyway, thanks to whoever made this. I think there could be a market in 'imaginary film posters'. P.S. Did it really need the 'Disney' logo on it though?

btbuildem 4y ago
While we're generally symmetrical, the human body is full of wonderful irregularities -- different sized eyes or slightly longer/shorter limbs etc are exceedingly common.
dEnigma 4y ago
> To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are for this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother). My brain was so forgiving that I didn't even really notice the asymmetries until I looked at the images a second time after reading your comment. I agree that especially in the case of eyes it distracts a bit. Those are generally pretty symmetrical (I say, with one eye that is always a bit narrower compared to the other ^^)
biztos 4y ago
> Eyes not quite the same size, breasts pointing in markedly different directions, bone structure on the face markedly different to each side. Jodorowsky would absolutely cast actors with those physical characteristics if they could be found, so in this case I’d say feature not bug.
msephton 4y ago
The symmetry of human faces is possible, Midjourney can now do it easily, but the promoter didn't ask for it in this instance.

kinard 4y ago

Glad I came to the comments, it's amazing.

andrekandre 4y ago

yt video of the images to some trippy music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Yfv4kedD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Yfv4kedD8

JKCalhoun 4y ago

Can't help but see shades of "Metropolis". Is there perhaps an Art-Deco style the AI is drawing from? It caused me to wonder if Tron was a world inside a computer ... or our own future (and, sure, why not both).

thanatos519 4y ago
Indeed, I'd love to see the Fritz Lang version of TRON!
- usrusr 4y ago
  Look at the flickering faces in the original Tron's composite screens, grainy high contrast black and white just tinted a little. That's a very deliberate choice, and given the prominence of Metropolis chances aren't small that the inspiration wasn't just any silent era look (granted, they all looked like that), but straight from Fritz Lang. Just watch a well-tinted copy of his Niebelungen, it's basically the Tron look just longer https://www.pinterest.de/pin/292593307055535367/ https://www.pinterest.de/pin/292593307055535367/

323 4y ago

Big opportunity for studios. Instead of selling the 4K version of an old movie, now they can re-imagine it in 10 different styles.

stavros 4y ago
And so can we!
javajosh 4y ago
This is the most interesting aspect of all of this. It works for music, too: what if your audio playback device could modify a song in real-time to add or remove instruments, or play in a different style. The same could be done with a movie. This also has great applications for musicians looking to learn a piece. YouTube's ability to slow a video without modifying pitch has been really great for this application, too.
- echelon 4y ago
  You can already do vocal replacement and create new covers of old songs. High quality pitch matching and vocal replacement is here [1] and is going to be big. You can generate Smash Mouth's "All Star" as every single president, celebrity, vocalist, or cartoon character. Or whatever you feed it. Within the next year the field will move onto changing instrumentals and generating novel tracks. [1] The tool I've written and will be deploying as the next version of FakeYou.com does this at high fidelity
stemlord 4y ago
Wouldnt that completely diminish the value of film? I feel like this will kill studios.

elevaet 4y ago

This is fantastic. I want to watch the movie! What do you think are the odds that we'll see a feature length AI powered "Jodorowsky's Tron" film within say.. the next 20 years? Some shepherding by humans allowed of course.

vernon99 4y ago
I think you seriously underestimate the pace of AI innovation these days. My conservative guess is 5 years for a single-human-supervised full length movie of this sort.
usrusr 4y ago
Would definitely want to watch it! That synthetic style (synthetic, as in "put-together" as well as in "created by technology") nicely picks up the expressionist high-contrast b/w that was so great in the original Tron's composite images and applies its attitude to the other visual dimensions as well. If Jeff Bezos were to fall in love with that look and indulge in another of his "it's my money and I want to see it!" film hobbies, I wonder if a well-funded team like that could actually pick up the look and make it a movie reality? Or would they inevitably fail to capture the magic and churn out yet another interchangeable cgi rumble?

IronRod 4y ago

Yes. Thanks, thanatos519 for providing the corrected link and thank you bj-rn for the original post. Fascinating!

prepend 4y ago

I can’t wait until they just make the movie. I suspect that something like this is running already on scripts and vfx and that explains some of the really mediocre content from Netflix, Disney, etc (ie, “they don’t make ‘em like they used to”).

colordrops 4y ago

I'd love to see Jodorowsky's Lord of the Rings.

msephton 4y ago
Here we go, the first and only attempt from me https://imgur.com/a/mNRNtxr https://imgur.com/a/mNRNtxr Prompt the same format as used in Jodorowsky's TRON: production still from 1976 of Alejandro Jodorowsky's Lord of The Rings, 20 ASA 35mm --v 4 --ar 3:2
- colordrops 4y ago
  Very nice, seems like there is room for a more grungey interpretation of LotR
- usrusr 4y ago
  These prompts remind me of how I always thought that the way Star Trek characters "authored" holodeck scenes with just a few words were utterly unrealistic, even by Star Trek standards. Ouch

mortenjorck 4y ago

This feels like a peek at the first truly practical application of AI art beyond “I need a blurry illustration for my blog post”. I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art director's creative process of exploring the look of a project quickly and iteratively, yet at high fidelity. Even with the unavoidable AI artifacts, the aesthetic of these images is incredibly evocative.

open-source-ux 4y ago
I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art director's creative process I had a similar thought. What will AI-generated images means for production designers in film? Will the easy availability of AI images redefine a whole class of design or artist roles? Only time will tell, but I suspect it will happen quickly.

qwerty456127 4y ago

So beautiful. Why can't the real world be this way?

2-718-281-828 4y ago

Endless Poetry (Poesia sin Fin) was for me one of the most beautiful and touching movies I ever watched - yet, it certainly was also very tough to watch at times. Some scenes pushed the cringyness factor to the limit. Other scenes were so mesmerizing that I'm coming back to them from time to time.

lordfrito 4y ago

This is simply amazing. There were so many images there that are photorealistic enough that I was trying to figure out was this a real live action project? Or had someone simply staged the images as part of a larger "art project " or something... Took me by surprise that this was AI generated, although in hindsight it should have been obvious. For me, this is the moment I realized AI art had become something "useful", and the world isn't going to be the same. I can see where this is going... The commercial implications are enormous. Speeding up the concept art process for movies, etc. As someone here mentioned, why not make entire movies this way? Once they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the movie industry out of business. I can only imagine what my grandkids are going to be using this for.

72mena 4y ago
> Once they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the movie industry out of business. I'm also intrigued about the potential of AI-generated animation. However, I don't think the industry would be "out of business", but rather they would simply evolve into a new phase. The established movie industry will most likely have access to the most expensive and performant AI models to make short and long form animations, which would be time and cost prohibiting for hobbyists.
- lordfrito 4y ago
  Agree, the movie industry won't be out of business overnight. Like IBM, the rumors of "company X" demise are greatly exaggerated, and this tech is far from mature. But my god at first I thought this was real. The clock is now ticking, fast forward several generations, and what are we dealing with here? To me this is a Napster moment. If your job is related to the movie making industry at all, you should be sitting up and taking notice. The industry is a massive/slow behemoth that is a ripe target for this kind of disruption. What's the point of building sets once these tools become photorealistic? Yes we're still in the Uncanny Valley, but that's just a matter of time to solve these kinds of problems (deepfakes anyone?). CGI killed the traditional animation industry. Even Disney shuttered it's traditional animation department. I think we're looking at the same kind of disruption here on the live action side of things. Why have a studio lot at all ? Equipment rental, prop rental, stunt actors, logistics, food service, you name it. Talk about the end of brick and mortar. My guess is it will look a lot like the music industry, which has essentially become all Marketing and Promotion, where the actual production of music has almost become an afterthought. The Marketing arms of the industry may be the only thing that survives the transition in some recognizable form. There will always be a demand for "live action", just like traditional animation is still being done in some niche corners. [1] But that's the exception, not the rule. You'll continue to have enthusiasts using traditional methods for the sake of it. But I think the clock is now ticking. It may be in its primitive infancy, but add time and the tech stack will eventually mature. Lately, more and more, I feel like I'm actually living in the future. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOneMdjpw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOneMdjpw4

waltbosz 4y ago

> There seems to be a current trend in AI circles of mashing up film genres or visualising existent films either within different time periods or with different directors. Out of boredom, I fed the prompt "Fight Club" into Stable Diffusion, and it generated some interesting images of a human that looked like a mixture of Brad Pitt and Edward Norton. I've seen similar mixed up results when I type a prompt that includes two obscure animals, such as "an emu playing chess with a lemur". The AI spits out an animal that looks like a cross between an emu and a lemur, instead of the two separate animals playing chess. I want to know more about how these algorithms work, but that level of detail is hard for me to comprehend. I remember struggling in my college algorithms class to write code to do something relatively simple: I think the assignment was to: given a XY plane with a set of points, I had to find a set of lines that would create an intersection of polygons that contained only one point each.

VieEnCode 4y ago

Midjourney is insane: simultaneously really inspiring and terrifying in the quality of "imaginative" images it's effortlessly spitting out.

taf2 4y ago

These graphics are amazing. I had to tweak the site just a little and the imagery is even easier to view... set the body to background:#000; and color:#eee; remove the float:left and set the main to width:100% - zoom the content 3 times and feast your eyes on amazing graphics.

sbf501 4y ago

I'm having trouble believing an AI did this. I mean, I know it did, and I trust HN to call BS. But ... it's just too perfectly imperfect. You can almost spot the cardboard headwear. I literally can't convince myself an AI did it. It's a weird feeling I'm experiencing.

konfusinomicon 4y ago
it's too good and if real im very impressed. these are the best AI generated images ive ever seen, they fit the theme almost too perfectly. I want to see the prompts that made something of this caliber
roywiggins 4y ago
If you look at the hands they are messed up in the way these tools always seem to mess hands up. (that's not to take away from the rest of it, which is pretty extraordinary)
- jimlikeslimes 4y ago
  The art cliche "hands are hard" strikes again. Lucid dreamers also describe hands not looking right in dreams, using it as a tell that they are dreaming. I've also seen my hands look like these pictures when taking LSD. With merged fingers etc. Looking at my hands and counting 5 fingers is definitely comforting.

gsatic 4y ago

Man do ppl even know Jodorowsky? Cause he would definitely shit on AI generated art. He was bored of mindless American shit long before anyone was complaining - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw

dav_Oz 4y ago
Well, who knows him really? What I‘d gather about him over the decades of work, is that he deliberately uses provocation/expressive words for his art/communication. I think in the context of that little clip he was hinting at the ruthless commercialisation of American cinema/comics; and indeed since then it had well developed to today‘s Marvelization of Hollywood[0], a multi-billion industry of its own. He is 93 now, so I think he doesn’t give a shit about anything at this point, but I like to think that back then as a young artist he would have embraced/explored/experimented with AI generated good shit to enhance/help his artistic vision. In the end it seems that mattered to him most. [0]https://www.paudal.com/2022/11/24/quentin-tarantino-marvelization-of-movies-means-captain-america-is-a-bigger-star-than-chris-evans/ https://www.paudal.com/2022/11/24/quentin-tarantino-marveliz...
- gsatic 4y ago
  Commercialization and info overload has diluted the impact of ALL art to just sensory stimulation. After the oohs and aahs there is nothing else going on in anyones head, cause there is always something else thrown infront of them on their infinite streams. And while AI generated art is just another tool in a giant warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit? Cause take a look around at the impact of the best of the best. There is none.
  - dav_Oz 4y ago
    >And while AI generated art is just another tool in a giant warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit? Cause take a look around at the impact of the best of the best. There is none. The quality of that “tool” in particular is imho markedly different as opposed to non-AI digital tools. It opens up a space of possibilities for “visual art” which is now tangentially comparable to the impact of computers (i.e. computations per unit time) to the art of proofs in mathematics. One way of using its power is by calculating pi to the n-th place (“eye candy” in “visual art speak”) or another to overcome the sheer amount of calculations necessary (technical limitations) for a viable proof.[0] If there is one way to prove it can inspire confidence for a more elegant/aesthetically pleasing/understandable proof. As for the impact, I agree, we have yet to see. Maybe I’m too optimistic. One [1] of my favourite music clips from now over 20 years ago which looks (in its sterility) entirely AI/computer generated but actually is modelled frame by frame in Lightwave 3D (by the artist Alex Rutterford). [0]https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-helps-prove-long-sought-fluid-equation-singularity-20221116/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-helps-prove-long-sou... [1]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3vENli7wQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3vENli7wQ

SevenNation 4y ago

There are more (non-FB) images here: https://goodinternet.substack.com/p/if-jodorowsky-directed-tron https://goodinternet.substack.com/p/if-jodorowsky-directed-t...

robotresearcher 4y ago

One image has a recognizable Han Solo, with classic outfit, side parting, but not quite Ford's face. A weird cut'n'paste from the conceptual-visual space. This outfit: https://www.alamy.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-1983-20th-century-fox-film-with-harrison-ford-image344770321.html?imageid=F818E4E2-7D6D-4237-A925-28F16E8928EF&p=13044&pn=1&searchId=721627c3387e111c0191474034ae16d7&searchtype=0 https://www.alamy.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-1983-20th...

khazhoux 4y ago

I'll be the one to call B.S. E.g., here, I'm skeptical about the specular reflections, which show a blue light on the left, a yellow light on the right, and a (seemingly) physically-accurate transition down the middle. Plus the too-plausible DOF in the background. https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-2-8.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-... This image, with the patterns following the 3D contour of her head. And the glossy reflection of the lights on the tabletop. https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-2-14.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-... My wager is this is possibly using some AI-generated imagery, but it is largely a human art project.

jazzyjackson 4y ago
Yea, I could eat crow but I don't see any of the typical artifacts here, detail remains coherent all the way down. "Big if true", wouldn't it be simple for these images to be distributed with a signature by the midjourney API so that us doubters could check which version of the algorithm was used?
- corysama 4y ago
  I get ya both. But, I frequently see plausible-ish reflections and DOF in MJ generations. Usually there is some error you have to look for. For example, 2 out of 3 windows reflected. This image shows what I’m taking about. The vertical lines are reflected, but not the horizontal lit lines. Bonus: jumbled fingers https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-1-7.jpg https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-...
stolenmerch 4y ago
To my eye, they are clearly synthetic elements composited together in Photoshop or similar with a keen artistic, human eye. Doesn't keep it from being amazing, but there's no way these faux film stills are coming straight out of a generator.
moralestapia 4y ago
Yes, this is bull. Midjourney is great, but not this great. From his FB post: "(All images created in Midjourney with zero post-imaging, except for the movie poster with typography done in photoshop)" No way there's zero post-prod.

TruthWillHurt 4y ago

If Jodorowsky was indeed capable of such style and vision - it would truely be amazing. Unfortunately the mith is larger than the man.

Pxtl 4y ago

All I can think when I see this stuff is that the end is nigh. I'd assumed we'd have artificial intelligence before artificial creativity but it looks like nope. How far can the singularity possibly be?

tunnuz 4y ago

This is incredible and beautiful. I think that as technologists we need to embrace this evolution, which will touch all areas of our work, or be left behind.

zeristor 4y ago

I may be mistaken, but the film Tron looks to have been inspired by this section from a 1940s Busby Berkeley film: “The Gang’s All Here” This has been edited as a video for the song Soft Core by Tamaryn: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AnZDaK9Vy0Y https://youtube.com/watch?v=AnZDaK9Vy0Y The Gang’s All Here, and yes that’s Carmen Miranda: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xZp-s4wIc_s https://youtube.com/watch?v=xZp-s4wIc_s

husamia 4y ago

wen AI movies generated on the fly....

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Gene5ive 4y ago

The amount of time it would take to edit these to remove the subtle AI nonsense/artifacts/dysmorphia is a fraction of that time it would take to make the images from scratch. There will still be art departments but they will be 10x smaller.