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Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends boos

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• gjsman-1000 4y ago
  Worth noting, the Florida Surgeon General's opinion was lambasted in the mainstream media as him embracing conspiracy theories (and there is some interesting added context there as to why they believe so). Which... maybe two things are true at once. Perhaps he was - but also, perhaps his stance is not that radical. Radical compared to most Surgeon Generals in the United States; but on an international level? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/21/florida-covid-vaccines-desantis-surgeon-general/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/21/florida-c... https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-10-12/scientists-dispute-the-floridas-surgeon-generals-latest-covid-19-vaccine-guidance-for-young-men https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-10-12... https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/11/medical-experts-reject-florida-surgeon-generals-covid-vaccine-guidance-00061352 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/11/medical-experts-rej... https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-pan-analysis-floridas-surgeon-general-posted-covid/story?id=91294952 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-pan-analysis-florid... https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/15/they-are-right-what-floridas-surgeon-general-got-wrong-letters/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/10/15/they-are-right-w...
  • busymom0 4y ago
    Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.
    • nomel 4y ago
      It became political, causing FDA heads to resign [1] after threats [2]. And now, the latest booster was approved with no human trials at all [3]. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned... 2. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/white-house-threatens-to-fire-fda-chief-unless-covid-vaccine-oked-friday-report.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/white-house-threatens-to-fir... 3. https://www.health.com/news/new-covid-boosters-human-testing-safety https://www.health.com/news/new-covid-boosters-human-testing...
      • jjcon 4y ago
        Flu shots don't require human trials either, should covid be all that different (genuine question) if so why?
        • walterbell 4y ago
          Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.
          • jjcon 4y ago
            Is anyone requiring boosters for work, study or travel? Not to my knowledge.
            • koolba 4y ago
              New York University (NYU) requires boosters for all students: https://www.nyu.edu/life/safety-health-wellness/coronavirus-information/covid-related-guidance/covid-19-vaccine.html https://www.nyu.edu/life/safety-health-wellness/coronavirus-...
• mikysco 4y ago
  The obvious explanation for other country's vaccine recommendations is based in data. COVID kills the elderly (75+) who are more likely to be battling multiple negative health conditions beyond COVID. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsoverti...
  • walterbell 4y ago
    No, those countries initially gave the Covid injections to all adults, then altered their recommendations to exclude some young adults, based on post-vaccine adverse events. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode... > Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use. https://www.fox19.com/2021/10/07/some-european-countries-suspend-moderna-shots-those-30-under/ https://www.fox19.com/2021/10/07/some-european-countries-sus... > All three countries based their decision on an unpublished study with Sweden’s Public Health Agency saying that it signals “an increased risk of side effects such as inflammation of the heart muscle or the pericardium” — the double-walled sac containing the heart and the roots of the main vessels. It added: “The risk of being affected is very small.”
    • nicoburns 4y ago
      They haven't changed the advice for the initial 2 doses. They have given different advice for additional booster doses. Which, per there own guidance seems to be largely because people already have immunity (either through vaccination or infection), and younger populations are not considered to require additional immunity. For example, from the second link above (Denmark): > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. > People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population.
• jjcon 4y ago
  And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directly compared so easily. Norway: 70% Boosted Denmark: 63% Boosted Australia:56% Boosted Sweden: 71% Boosted Finland: 74% Boosted USA: 34% Boosted SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccina...
  • sfusato 4y ago
    Is that counting the 1st booster? These policy changes came after the 1st booster.
    • jjcon 4y ago
      > Is that counting the 1st booster? These policy changes came after the 1st booster. Yes it is counting any booster after primary 2 doses - which policy changes specifically? Most of these countries have been relatively consistent in their approach to boosters.
      • sfusato 4y ago
        They stopped recommending further boosters to younger people after the 1st booster. These 50+ or 65+ only recommendations are rather recent. That's all I'm saying. You would need to account only from the 2nd booster onwards basically.
        • jjcon 4y ago
          > They stopped recommending further boosters to younger people after the 1st booster. Which country(s) specifically changed their guidance about boosters after the 1st booster was released? Again I'm not aware of large swings in policy in most of these countries. Some aren't recommending 4th doses yet but I don't think any have changed policies about boosters after the fact.
• benevol 4y ago
  • origin_path 4y ago
    In fairness UK conservative media have been reporting on it (Spectator, Telegraph). But it's being blamed on lockdowns and NHS collapse. That might be true; not all countries have excess deaths and it's a bit unclear to what extent the effect is real. It depends a lot on how you model the baseline.
    • hadlock 4y ago
      Which countries do not have excess deaths 2020-20201? China, Australia, NZ might be on that list as they were pretty good about keeping the virus out but I'm curious if you know of any others. That's a wide claim, that not all countries have excess deaths
      • origin_path 4y ago
        We were talking about in 2022 but I see now that the original comment is flagged, sigh.
• davnn 4y ago
  In Austria, the booster was mandatory (otherwise you would not be allowed to participate in any social life) even for young people.
  • benibela 4y ago
    In Germany, too Vaccinated twice without booster, you are still considered unvaccinated
    • sva_ 4y ago
      Two vaccinations + confirmed recovery is enough afaik.
      • garfieldnate 4y ago
        I think quite a few people caught omicron and didn't bother getting it confirmed. You have to go out into a public space, where you're presumably possibly spreading it, and get the more advanced test, even after you've already done the regular Bürgertest. Additionally, during the omicron wave the exemption from restrictions one would get for a confirmed case only lasted for a number of months, making it not worth it for many people. I caught it and then had to get boosted again so I could be with my wife during the birth of our child. The regulations around this are luckily more lax in NRW, and there were (are?) other places in Germany where the father would not be allowed in the delivery room even with an up-to-date booster. Quite awful, in my opinion.
        • ls15 4y ago
          > Additionally, during the omicron wave the exemption from restrictions one would get for a confirmed case only lasted for a number of months, making it not worth it for many people. I was waiting in the cold with covid symptoms for over an hour in the line, just to be told that I was not eligible for the Bürgertest, even though my partner was confirmed PCR-positive, but rapid tests did not detect my and my partner's covid. It was already known at that time that rapid tests had poor detection rates for omicron. I then found a doctor who was willing to do the test, which turned out to be positive. I only went through this instead of just recovering at home, because I really wanted to have the certificate, because I suspected already that it would later serve as certificate for "full immunization", because that's what science already suggested at that point. The STIKO at that time clearly advised against getting booster shots within three months after infection, but without certificates there was no way to prove prior infection and people were cut off from 2G, even though they were technically entitled to the exemptions. The BMG and RKI basically bullied people into taking boosters. Enhanced myocarditis risk was known too already at that point. The BMG and RKI constantly changed the rules in hand-wavy last-minute decisions to make it extra confusing for everyone.