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Nvidia’s Implicit Warping is a potentially powerful deepfake technique
- mdrzn 4y agoGod what an awful way to hijack scrolling on such an interesting article.
- TechBro8615 4y agoOn iOS I can usually open user-hostile articles like this in reader view, but even that is broken here.
- mkl 4y agoYes. It was so frustratingly broken I had to stop reading and do something about it. Running this in the (Chrome) browser console fixes it for me: window.removeEventListener('wheel', getEventListeners(window)['wheel'][0].listener);
- mdrzn 4y agoThere should be a way to block all these wheel-hijacking via uBlock filters.
- phpisthebest 4y agoEven if there was today, Manifest V3 will take any ability to do that away
- nix0n 4y agoNot in Firefox!
- pwdisswordfish9 4y agometaphysic.ai##+js(aeld, wheel) Done.
- MrScruff 4y agoThat fixed mouse wheel scrolling for me in Safari's JS console as well, thanks!
- kierenj 4y agoI didn't see any! Did they remove it?
- mkl 4y agoNo, it's still there in Chrome. It doesn't seem to be there in Firefox though.
- josefresco 4y agoThe scrolling is still "floaty" in Firefox - sort of like operating a boat (not fun for a website)
- milliams 4y agoIt's there for me in Firefox. With a mouse if I spin the wheel then it starts an animated scroll. However, I cannot send any more scroll inputs until that animated scroll has finished. So with two scroll wheel spins in quick succession, the second one is ignored. This only seems to be the case with two spins in the same direction; reversing the direction while the animation is happening works as expected.
- GaylordTuring 4y agoTotally agree. I got dizzy within the first couple of seconds scrolling down the page. Why do people think it's a good idea to circumvent the scrolling behavior that the developers of the browser probably have spent hundred of hours perfecting over the years?
- dr_zoidberg 4y agoFunny, it's weird on both scrolling wheel and gesture on mouse pad... The scrolling wheel felt like the scrolling would get stuck at certain points, while the gesture was... Like a weird speed? It didn't feel the same on my laptop for both, and that's even weirder than I expected.
- pluc 4y agohttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/
- SAI_Peregrinus 4y agoOr https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/luminous/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/luminous/ for more fine-grained control (block individual JS events, not all JS from a given page). Or uBlockOrigin in "medium mode" or higher incorporates JS blocking on a per-site basis.
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoI just gave up reading it. Good job devs!
- solardev 4y agoYeah. Read a sentence, tried to scroll, immediately left. Nope.
- adamhp 4y agoCame here to say the same. It is so insanely aggravating.
- bfgoodrich 4y agoI have never seen anyone praise or laud the benefits of scroll behavior overrides. It seems to universally be a negative if not hated, and always distracts from the content. Always. And it required extra work to yield this negative behavior! So how in the world does this end up happening? How could a team be so profoundly detached from reality? This site's behavior is so incredibly ill considered that I marvel that people worked on that, people approved it, people said publish, etc, without one person stepping in and asking what in the world they were doing.
- bob_paulson 4y agoI'm there and it has been fixed apparently.
- nerdjon 4y agoI was curious about this comment since I was not seeing this on Safari on Mac. I switched to chrome, and that is just horrible! I am curious why I am not seeing this on Safari (and apparently others on Firefox). I don't see any errors on Safari implying that some javascript is failing to load.
- spookie 4y agoDevs were only using one browser to test their code. Nonetheless, if you are going to implement any mouse behavior hijacking, you should reconsider your life choices. Take a long walk down the park, have a cup of coffee, come back and... Don't do it.
- nerdjon 4y agooh I totally get that, but I would expect that they would be doing their testing on Chrome. I mean I get not liking chrome but ignoring it for testing is... a choice. I would have expected the worse behavior on Safari... not Chrome. Or am I just being nieve about frontend development? I really only do it for any personal projects so don't really have any insight into it professionally
- bee_rider 4y agoI'm not sure what the issue is (using firefox and I don't have Chrome installed to test with) but I'm pretty sure the scroll hijack that people are complaining about, it is an intentional effect to make the site "fancy," which they only tested in Chrome, or something like that. One side perk of not using Chrome is that there's a correlation between only testing on Chrome and producing code that we're better off not interacting with.
- nerdjon 4y agoIf this is the intended effect, its bad one. I just find it interesting because I look at the apple product pages. While a bit janky they work as intended. But they are also applying that effect very deliberately and not to an article for some reason. So maybe that is the distinction.
- dcdc123 4y agoWhatever it is my blocking plugins remove it.
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- solardev 4y agoThey fixed it! It was an unexpected change to one of the plugins they were using (wrote them to let them know).
- nashashmi 4y agoWe should stop calling it deep fake. And start calling it facial masking. And realize that this will now be kiddie tech in the future.
- dumpsterdiver 4y ago> And realize that this will now be kiddie tech in the future. Oh, absolutely. And we're not talking decades here. This tech will likely be ready to rock within a few election cycles
- Cthulhu_ 4y agoI think with enough money / professionalism it's ready to rock already; a lot of the deepfakes I've seen so far have been done by "amateurs" (that is, individuals, not big companies). The last big companies' work has been the star wars prequels that used CGI, which was still in the uncanny valley imo.
- wodenokoto 4y agoDeep fake is a great term. Facial masking hides all the other uses of deep fakes. You can fake anything with these techniques based on deep learning. The term is just spot on.
- nashashmi 4y agoThat's exactly why there should be a distinction made. The term is too broad for a specific subset of deep fake technology that has matured far beyond its fun monster phase. Facemask and soundmask are good terms for a democratized warping of visual and audio data.
- SubiculumCode 4y agoDeep Fake tech needs to puncture the public's consciousness ASAP, diluting terms will be counterproductive
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- xchip 4y agoEvery new tech is a potential powerful dangerous tech, so it was fire and so it has been any new discovery. I saddens me to see here these sort of posts.
- thedorkknight 4y agoAfter reading the article, you're overstating the "dangerous" part here. It's far from a fear mongering blog. They mention it's potential for misuse - no need to be saddened by that
- bismuthcrystal 4y agoBut it doesn't read "dangerous" anywhere?
- BiteCode_dev 4y agoExcept an individual cannot affect the entire world from the confort of home with fire.
- ekianjo 4y agoNor a deep faked video once everyone understands we cant trust anything we see anymore
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- VectorLock 4y ago"can't trust anything anymore" is arguably a worse place to end up.
- ekianjo 4y agoI disagree. Blind trust allows for propaganda.
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- propercoil 4y agoThe UI on this website is horrid.
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- moron4hire 4y agoSome of these videos are particularly fascinating in how the head position is not exactly replicated but does look more like the body language I'd expect from those people. Like, try to note the sequence of facial expressions and head angle that Barack Obama goes through, then watch Angela Merkel and Winston Churchill. They're not 1-to-1.
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- zackmorris 4y agoIs it just me, or does every single AI innovation lately seem to be.. pointless? Like, if I had the time and resources to work in AI, stuff like substituting faces and even stable diffusion would be about the last things I would ever work on. What would I start with? Something more like the MS Office software of the 1980s, only automated. I would have real-world applications that, wait for it, perform work so I don't have to. AKA automation. TBH this stuff exhausts me to such a degree that I almost can't even follow it anymore. It's like living in a bizarro reality where nothing works anymore. A waking nightmare. A hellscape. Am I the only one who feels this way?
- im3w1l 4y agoThey aren't doing it because it's useful. They are doing it because it's easy and they take what they can get. Further, it's not farfetched to imagine that models that can understand and predict how objects and faces move is a stepping stone to more useful stuff.
- capableweb 4y ago> What would I start with? Something more like the MS Office software of the 1980s, only automated. I would have real-world applications that, wait for it, perform work so I don't have to. AKA automation. But that's what Stable Diffusion et al is: automation. It's just not automation for what you spend your time on, but it is automation for what a countless amount of people spend their time on, doing stock photos/drawings/clip art for endless amount of articles and other generic videos. I also think that the current "creative automation" comes from a perspective where many people have said for a long time that computers will of course be able to do boring, repeatable jobs like counting numbers and what not, but it will never be able to do the job of an "artist". But now, it seems like at least a subset of "artists" will be out of job unless they find a way to work with the new tools rather than against them.
- kjkjadksj 4y agoI think it depends on if you are a designer or an artist. In my mind a designer works on a specification for a client and produces it, they are interchangeable, they dont put their signatures on the work because its not theirs, its the clients. Artists however wont have to worry about ai. Ai music already exists but people still support mainly real artists on streaming platforms and go to concerts, because provenance matters for artists and it doesn't for designers. Could an ai make a warhol? Probably not because what made warhols art popular was that he essentially worked outside of the training set and provided something previously unseen. Machine learning is bound to the training set. You can make generic corporate bathroom art for hotels or filling empty picture frames with it, but there will still be real artists and galleries and concerts and museums, because often times people value the provenance of the artist much more than even the work itself.
- sys32768 4y agoNot sure I want to live in a world where billions of people still believe what they see when these deepfake technologies mature. Not sure I will care either, because by that time I will have been locked in my living room for weeks playing my customized VR role playing game where Han Solo and I wreak havoc in the Far Cry 5 universe with my Dovakin powers while being chased by a all-female bounty hunter crew commanded by a 1982 Phoebe Cates.
- nomel 4y agoThis is why I think it’s irresponsible to not give the public access to these early models. I think a slow, increasing, exposure to the absurd/false will work out much better than the isolation desired by the orgs who are trying to “protect” us, because that isolation will end up being temporary, resulting in a step rather than a ramp.
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- _0ffh 4y agoRight, the earlier the general public is confronted with these technologies, the better!
- usednet 4y agoThere needs to be far more criticism of the increasingly closed development of these models in what is essentially becoming an AI arms race. Like Sam Altman and his team at OpenAI (more like ClosedAI) who were more aware of this than anybody yet sold themselves out for the highest bidder. What a joke of a “non-profit.”
- tnel77 4y agoI’m just jealous that I’m not able to sell out.
- BoorishBears 4y agoIt's so bizarre to me how much commentary I see to this effect, do people forget the times we live in? You can fool more people with a fake article and $1000 in Twitter click farm spend than you could ever dream to with a deepfake. Like we've already seen entire elections undermined with basic internet trolling, the problem is already here, but somehow people are overlooking that and fixated on the most fanciful version of it?
- romanbaron 4y agoThanks for the post, I do suggest changing the font weight and color to make it more readable. Here's how it might look from the client side (computed style at Inspect->Style): .elementor-875 .elementor-element.elementor-element-230321ec { text-align: left; color: black; font-family: roboto; font-size: 21px; font-weight: 400; line-height: 1.6em; }