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"The experience was physically taxing, he was diagnosed with tendonitis after moving hundreds of boxes a day, but it pulled him out of his depression and helped

by avgDev 4y ago

"The experience was physically taxing, he was diagnosed with tendonitis after moving hundreds of boxes a day, but it pulled him out of his depression and helped him gain perspective and a deeper sense of meaning"....... I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. I've had many physical shitty jobs in my 20's. Then, I had some health issue and could no longer keep doing that to my body, so I went back to school and got a CS degree. I sometimes get depressed and miss physical work, but then I remember how shit it was and how an injury would prevent me from working. As a dev I think I'm going to be able to earn money as long as I'm alive and have a functioning brain. I guess once you have enough money then maybe someone might find that work fun? Obviously it helped the writer with depression. However, if he ever gets permanently hurt and it affects his daily life I have a feeling depression will come back in full swing. Office work is much much safer. There are ways to help people through tech and have much bigger affect then moving boxes for a shitty company. Edit: What helps my depression is connecting with people outside of work, helping people in my community, doing projects around my house and spending time with my son. Additionally, I try to make good choices when spending my money and limit my spending on stuff I don't need, as I dislike excessive spending. Edit2: Some great comments below. This is very much poverty/shit job tourism, which the writer can escape at any moment. This is some BlackMirror type of content. Guy makes it big in tech, retires, now works shit job people are trying to escape to cure his depression. He then writes about it on a blog. Now, other non-aware devs might be reading it contemplating leaving their jobs to do a REAL job.

subsubzero 4y ago
I too had many shitty jobs in my early 20's and reading this article kinda triggered those job's bad memories and how much I hated working at those places. I remember even after getting into tech many years later I would sometimes have dreams where I would be back in one of those jobs having a minor case of PTSD. That being said there are other ways to do the type of career shift that the author wants. My Wife's cousin who worked as a electrician near SF mentioned to me one of his co-workers was a former sr. director at Oracle who got burned out and wanted to try something new. I asked him how they liked the new career and he said she loved it. That job payed well and didn't require the forced degradation seen at amazon warehouses, plus you get to interact with interesting people and travel to different locations frequently.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  A senior director at Oracle likely had enough money to be able to afford to take classes while not working (and not going into debt), get an apprenticeship (mandatory for electricians) working for peanuts, and then spend a bunch of money on advertising and/or leverage all his business contacts (as everyone, especially the wealthy, need electricians at some point.) He could afford to pay $$$ for all the electrical code books that non-master-electricians are required to memorize (and pass tests on.) He likely didn't have to worry about health insurance, wasn't carrying any debt, had a reliable car, etc. Dear everyone in this discussion: stop pretending like people working Amazon Warehouse jobs can just switch gears, and especially stop citing examples of rich, educated, privileged people doing it as "proof" it can be done. It's pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps nonsense. These sorts of jobs are so physically demanding that you end up exhausted at the end of a shift and there's not much energy for other things unless you're pretty young....and unlike wealthy connected people, they don't have the personal/professional network.
  - subsubzero 4y ago
    I don't think you "get" what I was trying to say. I had mentioned a actual person - this was a woman and not a man btw(I mentioned that, I guess you didn't read my post close enough), who moved out of a engineering director position and was now a electrician. They don't own their own electrical business, they are just another electrician on the job. And yes they probably are very wealthy but wanted to switch careers like the author of this post and really enjoyed going into manual labor and getting out of tech. I don't know what else there is to argue about?
- tbran 4y ago
  I used to do landscaping. One morning I pulled my then-girlfriend out of bed by the legs because I was dreaming about dragging a tree into a hole. I moved a lot of heavy trees and shrubs in that job. Haha, memories!
madrox 4y ago
I don't think the author is recommending their experience. He's merely talking about what he did and what happened. We've known for millennia that physical work sucks. That's why the lowest echelons of society always end up doing the worst of it. This, I think, is why previous generations were so emphatic about college education. In their experience, it was a ticket out of doing physically taxing work.
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  Overly taxing and dangerous physical work sucks. Working in a professional kitchen is some of the most fun and (non-monetary) rewarding work I've ever done.
  - neilc 4y ago
    I’d love to hear more about your experience working in a professional kitchen.
  - gnu8 4y ago
    Maybe Amazon should take a cue from the service industry and have a lot more sex and drugs in their warehouses. Right now it's all misery and desperation.
    - rs999gti 4y ago
      > service industry and have a lot more sex and drugs in their warehouses. Nope. The business insurance usually requires drug free or zero tolerance policies, especially with forklifts, unmanned delivery robots, trucks, conveyors, and all other hazardous warehouse conditions around.
      - mikrl 4y ago
        Heh, business insurance is one thing. Some of the guys I’ve worked with are another. One swore up and down he couldn’t be functional before a toke and getting lifted was safer for us all.
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symlinkk 4y ago
Software development is taxing on your brain the same way physical labor is taxing on your body. It’s depressing, soul sucking work. You’re stuck inside, staring at a screen for 8+ hours a day.
- avgDev 4y ago
  Working at amazon as an order picker is depressing, soul sucking and can wreck your body for the remainder of your life. Devs can get by working few hours a day, some barely do any work at all. I refuse to stare at a screen 8+ hours a day. I take healthy breaks and create boundaries. I rarely have to solve puzzles at work. The grunt of the work is almost the same thing over and over.
  - tobyjsullivan 4y ago
    You might be surprised to learn that for every dev working “few hours a day” or barely doing anything at all, there is another engineer doing all their work for them - usually in a constant state of fending off burnout due to having to do other peoples’ work in addition to their own.
    - nsxwolf 4y ago
      The trick is to avoid becoming that developer.
      - tobyjsullivan 4y ago
        I think the trick is to give and take. And maintain teams that give and take. Sometimes I need to take my foot of the gas. But I also appreciate that, when I do, someone else has to pick up the slack. When I encounter teammates who only take, take, take, and never give, either they leave or I do (depending how much influence I have over their employment)
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theteapot 4y ago
Experienced both sides too. Some physical jobs suck and some bosses really suck, but some are also great and massively rewarding even though pay may not reflect that. Really depends on the company, the match of body+job, and importantly the Country - worker protection laws.
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- kjeetgill 4y ago
  It's not propaganda, it's a perspective. He's pretty involved in activism on the behalf of trades work, not just the mouthpiece of some think tank ad campaign.
  - antiterra 4y ago
    - bliteben 4y ago
      What a hot take, I may have spent too much time on the internet myself today.
    - _gabe_ 4y ago
      > The dude is literally bankrolled by the Koch Industries. This is just a straw man. Who cares who pays him? I could say the same thing for: Typescript. It's literally bankrolled by Microsoft, insert quip that says Typescript devs can't have good intentions here Tensorflow. It's literally bankrolled by Google, insert quip that says tensorflow devs can't have good intentions here React. It's literally bankrolled by Facebook/Meta, insert quip that says React Framework devs can't have good intentions here Etc.
      - varnaud 4y ago
        Maybe you don't care, but I care and so do many people. I'd argue you should also care. Knowing where the money comes from is fundamental is so many aspect of our society. Getting a loan from a bank will require you to disclose some information about your money getting activities. Why? First to make sure nothing illegal is going on, and second to make sure you will be able to pay back the loan. Running your political campaign will require you to disclose how it's financed. Again why? Because people realized long ago that you don't bite the hand that is feeding you or something. Meaning you should expect a strong bias by that politician for their backers. And so why care about a public figure getting money from the Koch Industries? Because it adds a crucial information on how to process the opinions coming out of that public figure. Yes it's possible that the source of money doesn't affect anything, but it's also highly possible that it does and many times it does, so why not care about it?
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. This person went from a 23-year career sitting at a desk to doing physical labor all day. Any physical labor is going to take a toll on someone in their 40s who hasn't been doing physical labor. I have a lot of people in my extended social circle who are in physical labor jobs. Amazon Warehouse jobs are always viewed as the "easy" fallback option: Doesn't pay as well as the hard physical labor jobs, but it's also viewed as the safe, comfortable option. Obviously, someone coming from a 20-year desk job is going to have a different perspective when thrust into a job with any physical demands.
- jrochkind1 4y ago
  I also have people in my extended social circle who are in jobs that involve a lot of physical labor. As we all enter our late 30s-early 40s give or take, and they realize what a toll it's taking on their bodies, most of them are trying to get out of it, or have gotten out of it. They realize they aren't going to be physically able to do it another 25 years, and their bodies are going to get increasingly wrecked. From what I've heard (including from acquaintances who have worked there), a job at an Amazon Warehouse takes a toll on your body for sure. For sure it's hardly alone in being like that. (The people in my extended social circle who are in jobs involving physical labor are perhaps more likely than most physical laborers to have people in their social circle who sit at desks, and to be able to access networks and resources to shift out of physical labor to make a living).
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    > As we all enter our late 30s-early 40s give or take, and they realize what a toll it's taking on their bodies, most of them are trying to get out of it, or have gotten out of it. They realize they aren't going to be physically able to do it another 25 years, and their bodies are going to get increasingly wrecked This is why when you see people who do physical labour well into their 40s they almost always have substance problems. Job takes its toll on them and drugs are what let them push through.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
nradov 4y ago
I met a young software developer who got a night job loading UPS trucks instead of joining a gym. It seemed to work for him, although it's probably not sustainable.
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. Sure it is, as soon as you realize employees are replaceable commodities that get used up like break pads. Sustainable for the individual? Obviously not. Sustainable for amazon. Of course, which is why it won't be changing.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  It's not sustainable for amazon-ish [1]. They offer higher wages than competitors because they need to keep accumulating new employees or convincing old ones to come back. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+run+out+employees+to+hire https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+run+out+employees+to+...
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    8.1% inflation to Amazon's rescue! Just in time. Whew, that was a close one.
  - pwdisswordfish0 4y ago
    > They offer higher wages than competitors Do they? Ten years ago Walmart distribution center workers were making what the writer says he made at Amazon, which is itself surely the result of recent increases. No idea what Walmart pays today, especially in these post COVID-induced work and price changes. Four or five years ago, on the other hand, I'd heard Amazon was around $13 to $14.
twstdzppr 4y ago
Physical work is great in a controlled environment. Hence, the gym. No need to destroy ones body doing physical labor, if it can be avoided.
behaveEc0n00 4y ago
The public is catching on to how sucky it is: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-workers-shortage-leaked-memo-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-wo...
sillyquiet 4y ago
My mother-in-law was a nurse at an orthopedic surgery center. She always said the major classes of patients she saw were: 1. old folks getting joint replacements 2. young athletes 3. middle aged construction workers or laborers
adamwk 4y ago
> This is very much poverty/shit job tourism I was thinking this too while reading it. Good for him I guess but there's sort of an eat pray love tone deafness to writing an article about the experience.
- munificent 4y ago
  The author was pretty clearly self aware of their unique context: "I am not going to bill an Amazon job as some sort of upper-middle-class panacea, something you go do just like you go enroll in survivalist camps or silent retreats. The job can be dehumanizing, physically wearing if not outright painful, and mind-numbingly boring if you can’t invent little games for yourself while lifting 300 boxes an hour for eleven hours straight." It doesn't invalidate their experience. Something I've started trying to do more consistently when reading stuff on the web is instead of asking myself, "How can I discredit or discard this author's point?" Instead, I try to ask, "What can I take of value from their writing?" There is always ample reason to disagree with something you read. There's an edge case the missed, an exception they overlooked, a tragedy even worse than theirs, a privilege they failed to properly check, a mistake they made in their past, etc. It's not interesting to poke holes in what you read because you can do it in almost everything. Any property that is true of all writing is essentially meaningless. Instead, I try to seek out what is true and useful in it and just ignore the parts I don't agree with. (And I certainly try to comment on those parts less.) In this case, we have an upper-middle-class successful software person who still found themselves struggling with depression despite "winning" at all the things our culture says we're supposed to do. And this person had a real, true experience where a shitty job at Amazon dramatically improved their mental health. That's clearly telling me something interesting about our need for structure, for work that feels grounded and tangible, and likely to spend more time using our bodies.
hackerlight 4y ago
"Office work is much much safer" Not sure about that, given increased cardiovascular disease risk
textcortex 4y ago
Loudly laughed at the Black Mirror part :) True, I also agree this is kind of a privileged shit job tour
raverbashing 4y ago
Pretty much this. It's like people whose dream is to retire on a farm You don't know how much work it entails. You have no idea Actually working at AMZN is easier than a Farm. Hands down.
up2isomorphism 4y ago
Tendonitis is also common in SDEs, do you think IT industry also non sustainable? The work condition in Amazon warehouse sucks not because Amazon wants it happen but just 1. because you want buy something at a mouse click not wanting to get it yourself, 2. other retailers do not want pay as much as Amazon did. You are winning a game does not mean you get to choose the rules. It is astonishing how people today are only think everything as one step process and just fire his/her original thoughts without the capabilities of observing the system as a whole. And particularly worrisome for a tech forum.
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by avgDev 4y ago

subsubzero 4y ago

I too had many shitty jobs in my early 20's and reading this article kinda triggered those job's bad memories and how much I hated working at those places. I remember even after getting into tech many years later I would sometimes have dreams where I would be back in one of those jobs having a minor case of PTSD. That being said there are other ways to do the type of career shift that the author wants. My Wife's cousin who worked as a electrician near SF mentioned to me one of his co-workers was a former sr. director at Oracle who got burned out and wanted to try something new. I asked him how they liked the new career and he said she loved it. That job payed well and didn't require the forced degradation seen at amazon warehouses, plus you get to interact with interesting people and travel to different locations frequently.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
A senior director at Oracle likely had enough money to be able to afford to take classes while not working (and not going into debt), get an apprenticeship (mandatory for electricians) working for peanuts, and then spend a bunch of money on advertising and/or leverage all his business contacts (as everyone, especially the wealthy, need electricians at some point.) He could afford to pay $$$ for all the electrical code books that non-master-electricians are required to memorize (and pass tests on.) He likely didn't have to worry about health insurance, wasn't carrying any debt, had a reliable car, etc. Dear everyone in this discussion: stop pretending like people working Amazon Warehouse jobs can just switch gears, and especially stop citing examples of rich, educated, privileged people doing it as "proof" it can be done. It's pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps nonsense. These sorts of jobs are so physically demanding that you end up exhausted at the end of a shift and there's not much energy for other things unless you're pretty young....and unlike wealthy connected people, they don't have the personal/professional network.
- subsubzero 4y ago
  I don't think you "get" what I was trying to say. I had mentioned a actual person - this was a woman and not a man btw(I mentioned that, I guess you didn't read my post close enough), who moved out of a engineering director position and was now a electrician. They don't own their own electrical business, they are just another electrician on the job. And yes they probably are very wealthy but wanted to switch careers like the author of this post and really enjoyed going into manual labor and getting out of tech. I don't know what else there is to argue about?
tbran 4y ago
I used to do landscaping. One morning I pulled my then-girlfriend out of bed by the legs because I was dreaming about dragging a tree into a hole. I moved a lot of heavy trees and shrubs in that job. Haha, memories!

madrox 4y ago

I don't think the author is recommending their experience. He's merely talking about what he did and what happened. We've known for millennia that physical work sucks. That's why the lowest echelons of society always end up doing the worst of it. This, I think, is why previous generations were so emphatic about college education. In their experience, it was a ticket out of doing physically taxing work.

nsxwolf 4y ago
Overly taxing and dangerous physical work sucks. Working in a professional kitchen is some of the most fun and (non-monetary) rewarding work I've ever done.
- neilc 4y ago
  I’d love to hear more about your experience working in a professional kitchen.
- gnu8 4y ago
  Maybe Amazon should take a cue from the service industry and have a lot more sex and drugs in their warehouses. Right now it's all misery and desperation.
  - rs999gti 4y ago
    > service industry and have a lot more sex and drugs in their warehouses. Nope. The business insurance usually requires drug free or zero tolerance policies, especially with forklifts, unmanned delivery robots, trucks, conveyors, and all other hazardous warehouse conditions around.
    - mikrl 4y ago
      Heh, business insurance is one thing. Some of the guys I’ve worked with are another. One swore up and down he couldn’t be functional before a toke and getting lifted was safer for us all.
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symlinkk 4y ago

Software development is taxing on your brain the same way physical labor is taxing on your body. It’s depressing, soul sucking work. You’re stuck inside, staring at a screen for 8+ hours a day.

avgDev 4y ago
Working at amazon as an order picker is depressing, soul sucking and can wreck your body for the remainder of your life. Devs can get by working few hours a day, some barely do any work at all. I refuse to stare at a screen 8+ hours a day. I take healthy breaks and create boundaries. I rarely have to solve puzzles at work. The grunt of the work is almost the same thing over and over.
- tobyjsullivan 4y ago
  You might be surprised to learn that for every dev working “few hours a day” or barely doing anything at all, there is another engineer doing all their work for them - usually in a constant state of fending off burnout due to having to do other peoples’ work in addition to their own.
  - nsxwolf 4y ago
    The trick is to avoid becoming that developer.
    - tobyjsullivan 4y ago
      I think the trick is to give and take. And maintain teams that give and take. Sometimes I need to take my foot of the gas. But I also appreciate that, when I do, someone else has to pick up the slack. When I encounter teammates who only take, take, take, and never give, either they leave or I do (depending how much influence I have over their employment)
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theteapot 4y ago

Experienced both sides too. Some physical jobs suck and some bosses really suck, but some are also great and massively rewarding even though pay may not reflect that. Really depends on the company, the match of body+job, and importantly the Country - worker protection laws.

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kjeetgill 4y ago
It's not propaganda, it's a perspective. He's pretty involved in activism on the behalf of trades work, not just the mouthpiece of some think tank ad campaign.
- antiterra 4y ago
  - bliteben 4y ago
    What a hot take, I may have spent too much time on the internet myself today.
  - _gabe_ 4y ago
    > The dude is literally bankrolled by the Koch Industries. This is just a straw man. Who cares who pays him? I could say the same thing for: Typescript. It's literally bankrolled by Microsoft, insert quip that says Typescript devs can't have good intentions here Tensorflow. It's literally bankrolled by Google, insert quip that says tensorflow devs can't have good intentions here React. It's literally bankrolled by Facebook/Meta, insert quip that says React Framework devs can't have good intentions here Etc.
    - varnaud 4y ago
      Maybe you don't care, but I care and so do many people. I'd argue you should also care. Knowing where the money comes from is fundamental is so many aspect of our society. Getting a loan from a bank will require you to disclose some information about your money getting activities. Why? First to make sure nothing illegal is going on, and second to make sure you will be able to pay back the loan. Running your political campaign will require you to disclose how it's financed. Again why? Because people realized long ago that you don't bite the hand that is feeding you or something. Meaning you should expect a strong bias by that politician for their backers. And so why care about a public figure getting money from the Koch Industries? Because it adds a crucial information on how to process the opinions coming out of that public figure. Yes it's possible that the source of money doesn't affect anything, but it's also highly possible that it does and many times it does, so why not care about it?

PragmaticPulp 4y ago

> What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. This person went from a 23-year career sitting at a desk to doing physical labor all day. Any physical labor is going to take a toll on someone in their 40s who hasn't been doing physical labor. I have a lot of people in my extended social circle who are in physical labor jobs. Amazon Warehouse jobs are always viewed as the "easy" fallback option: Doesn't pay as well as the hard physical labor jobs, but it's also viewed as the safe, comfortable option. Obviously, someone coming from a 20-year desk job is going to have a different perspective when thrust into a job with any physical demands.

jrochkind1 4y ago
I also have people in my extended social circle who are in jobs that involve a lot of physical labor. As we all enter our late 30s-early 40s give or take, and they realize what a toll it's taking on their bodies, most of them are trying to get out of it, or have gotten out of it. They realize they aren't going to be physically able to do it another 25 years, and their bodies are going to get increasingly wrecked. From what I've heard (including from acquaintances who have worked there), a job at an Amazon Warehouse takes a toll on your body for sure. For sure it's hardly alone in being like that. (The people in my extended social circle who are in jobs involving physical labor are perhaps more likely than most physical laborers to have people in their social circle who sit at desks, and to be able to access networks and resources to shift out of physical labor to make a living).
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  > As we all enter our late 30s-early 40s give or take, and they realize what a toll it's taking on their bodies, most of them are trying to get out of it, or have gotten out of it. They realize they aren't going to be physically able to do it another 25 years, and their bodies are going to get increasingly wrecked This is why when you see people who do physical labour well into their 40s they almost always have substance problems. Job takes its toll on them and drugs are what let them push through.
BurningFrog 4y ago

nradov 4y ago

I met a young software developer who got a night job loading UPS trucks instead of joining a gym. It seemed to work for him, although it's probably not sustainable.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. Sure it is, as soon as you realize employees are replaceable commodities that get used up like break pads. Sustainable for the individual? Obviously not. Sustainable for amazon. Of course, which is why it won't be changing.

lesuorac 4y ago
It's not sustainable for amazon-ish [1]. They offer higher wages than competitors because they need to keep accumulating new employees or convincing old ones to come back. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+run+out+employees+to+hire https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+run+out+employees+to+...
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  8.1% inflation to Amazon's rescue! Just in time. Whew, that was a close one.
- pwdisswordfish0 4y ago
  > They offer higher wages than competitors Do they? Ten years ago Walmart distribution center workers were making what the writer says he made at Amazon, which is itself surely the result of recent increases. No idea what Walmart pays today, especially in these post COVID-induced work and price changes. Four or five years ago, on the other hand, I'd heard Amazon was around $13 to $14.

twstdzppr 4y ago

Physical work is great in a controlled environment. Hence, the gym. No need to destroy ones body doing physical labor, if it can be avoided.

behaveEc0n00 4y ago

The public is catching on to how sucky it is: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-workers-shortage-leaked-memo-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-wo...

sillyquiet 4y ago

My mother-in-law was a nurse at an orthopedic surgery center. She always said the major classes of patients she saw were: 1. old folks getting joint replacements 2. young athletes 3. middle aged construction workers or laborers

adamwk 4y ago

> This is very much poverty/shit job tourism I was thinking this too while reading it. Good for him I guess but there's sort of an eat pray love tone deafness to writing an article about the experience.

munificent 4y ago
The author was pretty clearly self aware of their unique context: "I am not going to bill an Amazon job as some sort of upper-middle-class panacea, something you go do just like you go enroll in survivalist camps or silent retreats. The job can be dehumanizing, physically wearing if not outright painful, and mind-numbingly boring if you can’t invent little games for yourself while lifting 300 boxes an hour for eleven hours straight." It doesn't invalidate their experience. Something I've started trying to do more consistently when reading stuff on the web is instead of asking myself, "How can I discredit or discard this author's point?" Instead, I try to ask, "What can I take of value from their writing?" There is always ample reason to disagree with something you read. There's an edge case the missed, an exception they overlooked, a tragedy even worse than theirs, a privilege they failed to properly check, a mistake they made in their past, etc. It's not interesting to poke holes in what you read because you can do it in almost everything. Any property that is true of all writing is essentially meaningless. Instead, I try to seek out what is true and useful in it and just ignore the parts I don't agree with. (And I certainly try to comment on those parts less.) In this case, we have an upper-middle-class successful software person who still found themselves struggling with depression despite "winning" at all the things our culture says we're supposed to do. And this person had a real, true experience where a shitty job at Amazon dramatically improved their mental health. That's clearly telling me something interesting about our need for structure, for work that feels grounded and tangible, and likely to spend more time using our bodies.

hackerlight 4y ago

"Office work is much much safer" Not sure about that, given increased cardiovascular disease risk

textcortex 4y ago

Loudly laughed at the Black Mirror part :) True, I also agree this is kind of a privileged shit job tour

raverbashing 4y ago

Pretty much this. It's like people whose dream is to retire on a farm You don't know how much work it entails. You have no idea Actually working at AMZN is easier than a Farm. Hands down.

up2isomorphism 4y ago

Tendonitis is also common in SDEs, do you think IT industry also non sustainable? The work condition in Amazon warehouse sucks not because Amazon wants it happen but just 1. because you want buy something at a mouse click not wanting to get it yourself, 2. other retailers do not want pay as much as Amazon did. You are winning a game does not mean you get to choose the rules. It is astonishing how people today are only think everything as one step process and just fire his/her original thoughts without the capabilities of observing the system as a whole. And particularly worrisome for a tech forum.

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