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DALL·E Now Available Without Waitlist

430 points by minimaxir 4y ago

asciimov 4y ago
Well it's a shame they still want my phone number. I don't wanna give some random company my number if they aren't gonna call me.
- O__________O 4y ago
  Agree. Specifically, signup process is: email, email-verification, create-password, full-name, phone. Leaving the process to try the login will return you to the request for a phone.
  - londons_explore 4y ago
    The phone number is to try and stop people signing up multiple times to get more free credits. At least in the USA, getting hold of large numbers of phone numbers for free isn't easy.
    - mcbuilder 4y ago
      When you are competing directly with a comparable free solution maybe these hoops don't make sense.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Dma54rhs 4y ago
      Starts from 1 cent a number, doesn't have to from USA. It does add cost I agree, but these things are sold in bulk for very cheap.
      - O__________O 4y ago
        Link? Even for a one-time-use for verification, last I looked for one-off number verifications, it was $1 per authentication; to be fair, didn’t search too hard.
    - arecurrence 4y ago
      Indeed as VOIP numbers are banned. However, I know a number of people that aren't using DALL-E because they only have VOIP numbers (This is an ever growing reality today). They got to the phone step and were unable to continue (and support never replied to their requests for help).
- pc86 4y ago
  I don't want to give some random company my number because they might call me.
- smallerfish 4y ago
  Plus they disallow voip, which is a problem for me since I only have voip.
- lazyjones 4y ago
  It's pretty evil to troll people into giving them e-mail and name and then have the audacity to ask for a phone number. Without giving people who don't want that the possibility to delete the previously entered personal data...
mcherm 4y ago
It's unfortunate that they rejected my attempt to create an account because my phone number wasn't from one of their standard providers.
- Bluecobra 4y ago
  Same here, I have a Google Voice number and it rejected it. Pretty lame, it's not like I am going to be banking with them.
  - peanuty1 4y ago
    That sucks, I only have a Google Voice number.
- lenwood 4y ago
  Why do they require a phone number to begin with?
  - wraptile 4y ago
    They give 50 free credits and then 15/month - it's probably to prevent abuse.
soared 4y ago
> We’re experiencing a temporary issue with signups due to a vendor outage. We apologize for the inconvenience! I can’t imagine how many signups they’re getting right now. It’s almost behoove them to pregenerate a bunch of prompts and give people a sandbox version without signing in.
petarb 4y ago
I wasn’t able to create an account either, didn’t say why just gave me an error. Disappointing after I gave them all the info they wanted. Stable Diffusion and Midjourney it is
a3w 4y ago
I gave them my phone number, only then the signup failed. Well thanks for nothing, that is on par with scammers.
- a3w 4y ago
  Update: An email arrived: 50 extra credits, please try again. This time, verification worked. My account already existed.
MrZander 4y ago
Is DALL-E noticeably better than Stable Diffusion and other self-hostable options? I don't see why I would even bother going through the sign up process for OpenAI, only to be limited by their filters. Seems like they are late to the party now.
- langitbiru 4y ago
  For some categories like realistic people, DALL-E is better.
- davidbarker 4y ago
  I've run thousands of prompts with DALL-E 2, thousands with Midjourney, and probably hundreds with Stable Diffusion. My (very qualitative) feeling is that DALL-E 2 is good with composition and realism (e.g. generating photographs — you'll still get artefacts but it's less likely to look "computer graphics-y"), and is quite forgiving (you will usually end up with an image that makes sense). Midjourney had a recent update and can now produce beautiful images with far more detail and realism than DALL-E 2 in some cases, especially for human and animal faces, but excels more on the computer art side of things. (Midjourney now has a community showcase gallery: https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/ https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/) Stable Diffusion is a bit less forgiving than both, in my experience. Some people are able to create stunning images, but you have to invest more time into figuring out what works best. I'm currently looking into taking images generated with DALL-E 2, then using them as a starting point for Stable Diffusion to add detail. It works partciualrly well for cartoon-style images. For example: - Original DALL-E 2 image of a horse in a city: https://i.imgur.com/CaNHHR7.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/CaNHHR7.jpeg - That image used as a starting point for Stable Diffusion: https://i.imgur.com/EW1iKOO.png https://i.imgur.com/EW1iKOO.png and https://i.imgur.com/VOQ35Oz.png https://i.imgur.com/VOQ35Oz.png You can see it significantly cleans up the artefacts the original DALL-E 2 image had. (Note: the original DALL-E 2 image is 1024 pixels square, but Stable Diffusion generated a 512 square output.)
  - jw1224 4y ago
    Midjourney's recent upgrade was largely thanks to integration with Stable Diffusion. Somehow Midjourney's images still retain a more "premium" artistic feel to them though.
murkt 4y ago
Isn’t available in Ukraine. Why?.. And it’s not like a “temporary error, please try again”. It just directly states “nope, not for Ukraine”. “Open”AI.
- ronsor 4y ago
  I have a nagging feeling this is their way of "preventing" fake war pictures from cropping up.
  - hda2 4y ago
    Well, those who want to generate those images will use Stable Diffusion. If this is really their reasoning, they'll just hurt themselves - not really a bad thing given how manipulative OpenAI has been acting.
  - murkt 4y ago
    I wonder if Russia is blocked as well. And Belarus. If they want to prevent fake war pictures, it should be done with their NSFW filter. Not with blocking the whole (suffering!) country.
  - vanadium1st 4y ago
    I doubt it - GPT-3 is also restricted for users in Ukraine.
- diimdeep 4y ago
  FYI, there is filter that prevents to generate political content and other nasty stuff
  - murkt 4y ago
    Yes, I know about their political and NSFW filter. But why block Ukraine? Do they think that everyone from Ukraine will 100% use this for generating dead Putins, or what? I just can’t think of any good reason to do that. I can think of one bad, though
johnfn 4y ago
It's really amazing how DALL-E missed the boat. When it was launched, it was a truly amazing service that had no equal. In the months since then, both Midjourney and Stable Diffusion emerged and got to the point where they produce images of equal or better quality than DALL-E. And you didn't have to wait in a long waitlist in order to gain access! They effectively gave these tools free exposure by not allowing people to use DALL-E. Furthermore, the pricing model is much worse for DALL-E than any of its competitors. DALL-E makes you think about how much money you're losing continuously - a truly awful choice for a creative tool! Imagine if you had to pay photoshop a cent every time you made a brushstroke. Midjourney has a much better scheme (and unlimited at only 30/month!), and, of course, Stable Diffusion is free. This is a step in the right direction, but I feel that it is too little, too late. Just compare the rate of development. Midjourney has cranked out a number of different models, including an extremely exciting new model ("--testp"), new upscaling features, improved facial features, and a bunch more. They're also super responsive to their communtiy. In the meantime, OpenAI did... what? Outpainting? (And for months, DALL-E had an issue where clicking on any image on the homepage would instantly consume a token. How could it take so long to fix such a serious error?) You have this incredible tool everyone is so excited to use that they're producing hundred-page documents on how to get better results out of it, and somehow none of that actually makes it into the product?
- aabbcc1241 4y ago
  and huggging face doesn't even require you to signup/login to have a try
- irrational 4y ago
  Equal or better quality? I suppose it depends on what you are trying to create, but that hasn't been my experience at all.
  - johnfn 4y ago
    Which one are you comparing against? I've tried hundreds of prompts between SD and DALL-E and get comparable results. Midjourney was lagging for a while, but the new --testp parameter is really remarkable, which, in my view, makes it superior not only to Stable Diffusion but also to DALL-E as well.
draw_down 4y ago
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
It's just too late no idea why anyone in their right mind would use a pay-per-image tool that modifies what you put into it when they can have an unlimited and open local tool. Turns out all that "waitlist", the ethics lecturing, letting in only bluechecks and the larping about how dangerous it is doomed your product in the end. Hopefully the next time someone makes a tool as revolutionary as this they'll remember the mistakes of OpenAI.
- langitbiru 4y ago
  "an unlimited and open local tool" -> Not everyone has GPU or powerful machines.
  - zaptrem 4y ago
    It has been optimized to the point where it now runs (albeit slowly) on four year old smartphones https://twitter.com/wattmaller1/status/1573768941096374274 https://twitter.com/wattmaller1/status/1573768941096374274
    - LanternLight83 4y ago
      Anecdotally, it runs twice as fast and with 20% lower VRAM use on my machines than it did when I first experimented with it in the first week after release. I no longer need to hyper-optimize memory use (as a layman!) and patch that optimized model into web-frontends that don't come with it to get it to run on a 4gb card, there are flags now that make it "Just Work"™. Down from 90s/512²img -> ~35s. Exited to try it out on some AMD APU's when I've got time to see if that can outperform my dedicated but ancient 4gb card.
  - bestcoder69 4y ago
    You can use it locally or hosted. The hosted services are all cheaper than dalle2. It runs on google colab's free tier. Also, you can run it locally on a non-powerful machine. It just takes longer, but you can also just queue up as many prompts as you want and let your machine crank them out at its own pace. I use a first-gen macbook air m1 and it usually takes ~90s to generate an image with my usual settings.
hit8run 4y ago
F$ Microsoft and their shady move to lock openai. To be honest I am not interested in their offering. Yes they were fast. But there are also many true open source models available now. I don't want Microsoft to decide what I am allowed to do with it. Also they hide usable features behind a very expensive paywall and limit the budget to something like 25$ per month LOL. So actually they are like: "Here is a glimpse of it. But build nothing with it for broader audience. We want to see what you come up with and then copy paste it into our own products."
stephc_int13 4y ago
Not interested anymore, thank you for nothing.
- bambax 4y ago
  Same here. I got access in July, played with it a little bit, then MidJourney happened, and then SD. Who cares about Dall-E and their stupid restrictions and hoop-jumping? Good luck to them for being annoying AF when there are better and free and actually open alternatives!
m3kw9 4y ago
Now that stable diffusion is starting to eat onto its market share they unlock the artificial supply mechanism
- jaimex2 4y ago
  Stable Diffusion took its entire lunch, complete with plate. No one is even talking about DALL-E anymore.
toxik 4y ago
It’s a funny world where OPEN AI lost the battle because… it wasn’t open.
- kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
  Crazy talk. Next you’ll be saying Human Resources isn’t about protecting employees!
  - evouga 4y ago
    Of course not. It's about managing the company's... human resources.
    - moffkalast 4y ago
      And executives are the people you execute if a company goes bankrupt.
  - moralestapia 4y ago
    Nonsense, HR is your friend! :^)
davidbarker 4y ago
Apparently sign ups are currently down because of a "vendor outage". Perhaps because of the increased load? Once you're able to get access, I believe you'll receive 15 credits per month for free. Each credit allows one generation, and each generation produces 4 images. Rather than using up credits trying to learn how to formulate your prompts, I ran hundreds and uploaded them to https://generrated.com https://generrated.com (I posted it a couple of weeks ago as a Show HN) — hopefully they might be useful as a starting point and save you some credits/money.
- Bluecobra 4y ago
  This is pretty neat! Can also you use DALL-E mini/Craiyon to help with prompts or that going to be way off?
  - davidbarker 4y ago
    Thanks! I actually don't have much experience with DALL-E mini/Craiyon, but I have heard people have taken the output of Craiyon and using it as the input for Stable Diffusion to improve the quality. I've been doing something similar with some DALL-E 2 images: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33011336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33011336
- johndough 4y ago
  Thank you for the compilation. Much appreciated! I just wanted to mention that the images in the row labeled "pen and ink caricature" do not load.
  - davidbarker 4y ago
    Oops. Thanks! I'm not sure how I missed that. I've pushed a fix that should be live in 10 minutes.
- mFixman 4y ago
  This is a fantastic project. I really liked the 16th century Indian painting of an astronaut [1], and now I see a role of programs like DALL-E in giving people a good intuition on how to identify art from different styles and periods. [1] https://generrated.com/?prompt=16thCenturyPainting&subject=astronaut https://generrated.com/?prompt=16thCenturyPainting&subject=a...
simonswords82 4y ago
Just tried to sign up and it says sign up is not possible due to a vendor outage :(
langitbiru 4y ago
I wonder how people behind Imagen feel about this. Stable Diffusion is open source. DALL-E is open for public (albeit, with some limitations). https://imagen.research.google/ https://imagen.research.google/
- gorkish 4y ago
  Cynical take: When has Google ever cared whether or not anyone else can play with their toys? Plus it's less likely to be cancelled if it's never turned into a product.
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    Why do I get the impression that they cancelled it over a month ago? With SD and DALL-E making headlines nearly weekly, we've heard nothing but crickets chirping from Google's Imagen team.
ALittleLight 4y ago
DALL-E's censor really frustrates me. I hit "inappropriate" warnings that threaten "If you do this repeatedly you may be banned" all the time. Probably one in six prompts I tried on DALL-E got this warning. I don't see why a creative tool should have such aggressive censorship built in. One example of an "inappropriate" prompt that stuck out in my mind, and I think is pretty representative - I was trying to recreate DVD box art of Breaking Bad, but replace the main characters with cats. When my prompts were things like "Meth dealing cat" I would get the "inappropriate" flag. Frustrating. I much prefer stable diffusion. Quality is different, but being able to generate whatever I want without censorship is an enormous benefit. Plus, the cost. OpenAI is far too expensive. A friend and I are writing a novel. We wanted to see what it would be like to just feed each paragraph of text from our novel to the image generator, along with combinations of descriptions. This would be a pretty expensive experiment with DALL-E, but it can run locally for the cost of electricity with stable-diffusion.
- ehPReth 4y ago
  Agreed. I really hate DALL-E's censoring of prompts, I'm glad they're losing out.
thorum 4y ago
> We are currently testing a DALL·E API with several customers and are excited to soon offer it more broadly to developers and businesses so they can build apps on this powerful system. Here’s the real news! Just hope they disable the autoban for API users. It’s one thing to filter NSFW outputs like SD websites do, but blocking application API accounts for requests by end users would make it unusable.
loufe 4y ago
I got early access months ago and have been loving it. I had so much fun thinking of stupid prompts with colleagues and their results hang randomly around the office. I made an effort to start making birthday/other holiday cards for my family using Dall-E by telling stories in an art style, like old oil paintings or pencil drawings, which has been a huge success. I'm sold, though I do agree the pricing is a tad steep especially considering the presence of competitors.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
Even if Dall-E was free, the "safety" filters make it a non-starter for me. Its totally asinine to put any kind of content filters on a creativity tool.
- hbn 4y ago
  They also mess with your prompts in an attempt to make them more diverse by inserting words like "black" into prompts. e.g. if you type "person in an office" it'll generate some images from the prompt "black person in an office" People were able to discover this by typing a prompt, something like "person holding a sign that says" and it would output pictures of people holding signs that just say the word "black", revealing that it was actually generating images from the prompt "person holding a sign that says black" https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888?t=R4FspU6zVhWCDHJ7ERAtJg&s=19 https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888?t=R4...
  - mach1ne 4y ago
    Not only is that ugly, it's even more disturbing that users need to discover this themselves.
  - astrange 4y ago
    I doubt it literally just appends words, it probably gets processed with a GPT prompt like “take this string and make it specifically mention X ethnicity”.
  - stiltzkin 4y ago
    Fascinating so is OpenAI funded by ESG investors?.
etaioinshrdlu 4y ago
OpenAI already behaves like big tech. Nothing gets done or spoken without PR, marketing, and lawyers having their say. Not a great signal for their future trajectory.
- Workaccount2 4y ago
  To me what makes them like big tech is way overcharging for something that has a nominal cost to them, on the basis of "value produced".
  - stingraycharles 4y ago
    Value-based pricing really is something much bigger than just “big tech”, and is actually something every business owner should do. I’m surprised to find a comment against value based pricing on HN to be honest.
    - Workaccount2 4y ago
      Imagine plumbers used value based pricing.
      - alonmower 4y ago
        They do, at least to the degree they can, while not being outcompeted by other plumbers. Source: one just quoted me 350 to swap out a faucet
  - bogwog 4y ago
    How do you build a business if you sell your products/services at cost?
    - Workaccount2 4y ago
      The cost of everything tech is grossly inflated. Look at Amazon, they make an absolute killing with AWS. It's just fat margins all over. Google and MS price competitively with AWS and happily make a killing too. Sooner or later though, someone is going to come along and say "You know, I'd be fine with a 5% profit margin" and the house of cards will fall while the tech bros cry "value" the whole way down. You could trick yourself into thinking a sharpie is worth $40/mo if you drink enough of the "value" coolaid.
savant_penguin 4y ago
"Competition is a bitch" - OpenAI, probably
hiidrew 4y ago
I find it somewhat humorous based on their name that they're losing exposure to Stable Diffusion, an actual open source alternative. Although they created a lot of hype with their waitlist strategy. I'm personally partial to Midjourney, the discord UI is weird but once you get used to it, just looking at other's photos is equally as impressive as creating your own. Anyways, this space seems to be moving so quickly that it's difficult to keep up anyway.
Workaccount2 4y ago
The divide between SD and DALLE doesn't matter for anything meaningful. The tech is advancing at a breakneck speed. I really cannot emphasize that enough. If SD is behind today, I wouldn't even be the least bit surprised if it's ahead in one month from now. Or be where DALL-E is today and DALLE just be that much further. I suspect that even in 6 months from now people will be starting to see consistently good generation from "worse" prompting. The cat is out of the bag on this and running way faster than anticipated. Hold on, because the "AI generating fake media" thought experiment of the last decade has now officially gone live.
- Agentlien 4y ago
  I don't know whether SD or DALL-E is currently ahead from a technical standpoint. It does seem DALL-E is better, though not that good, at text. From what I've seen it also seems DALL-E is much better, though still flawed, at understanding instructions about composition. On the other hand I've seen an absolute deluge of amazing high quality work based on SD and little more than a number of kinda cool things from DALL-E. I've also not had access to DALL-E but have generated hundreds of images with Stable Diffusion on my own PC.
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Patrol8394 4y ago
Trying to signup, but they ask for the phone number ... no thank you
hugozap 4y ago
I've tried to contact OpenAI and they never answer. I was excited about them in the beginning but not anymore. Looks like they are really disconnected from the community and not interested in engaging.
WalterBright 4y ago
I wondered what stable diffusion was, so went to stablediffusion.com. The front page gives no indication as to what it is. So I clicked on their FAQ page: > What does Stablilty AI do? Stability AI is building open AI tools to provide the foundation to awaken humanity’s potential. Our values are lived by every team member and shown by everyone who excels at Stability AI. They are how we measure ourselves and our work. Our vibrant communities consist of experts, leaders and partners across the globe. They are developing cutting-edge open AI models for Image, Language, Audio, Video, 3D, and Biology. AI by the people, for the people. Still don't know what it does. Continuing to the next FAQ: > What’s our business model? We’re a company of builders who care deeply about real-world implications and applications. Many of our most considerable advances grow from working across multiple teams. We are unafraid to go against established norms and explore creativity. Our primary drive is to generate breakthrough ideas and convert them into solutions. We respect innovation over tradition. We trust that our differences make us more robust, and so we seek reason within every difference of perspective. Oh well. I give up.
- ayewo 4y ago
  Stable Diffusion is an AI model for computer generated art. https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion
- xigency 4y ago
  Not meaning to be rude, but you may be living under a rock. There’ve been many, many HN posts [0][1] about the open source, free to use txt2img and img2img ML model that is Stable Diffusion over the past few months. Though I agree that their website provides no useful information at all. [0] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=stable%20diffusion&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32665587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32665587
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    > you may be living under a rock No wonder my back hurts.
not2b 4y ago
Just got "We’re experiencing a temporary issue with signups due to a vendor outage. We apologize for the inconvenience!"
xwdv 4y ago
It’s too late I personally don’t give a fuck about DALLE when there’s better alternatives easily available now, they missed the boat. The brand is tarnished IMO.
SanderNL 4y ago
I was on the waiting list for a long, long time. The waiting and their "safety" features left a bad taste. Now I can't even be bothered. Thanks Stable Diffusion!
karmasimida 4y ago
With Stable Diffusion fully open sourced. Honestly, I don't think I need DALL-E right now, as SD is free and MUCH MUCH more customizable.
barbariangrunge 4y ago
Dall-e is pretty useful but it makes me worry about my artist friends. I use ai art on my blogs but I hope to switch to paying humans to do it in the long run
pentagrama 4y ago
Just signed up and phone number verification is mandatory to use the service. Don't want to share my phone number with this service. Now I'm stuck on the phone number form and can't delete my account. Don't recommend.
cptaj 4y ago
It says its not available in my country. Why the region lock?
- bekman 4y ago
  I’m from Ethiopia and it says the same. So technically not available for “everyone”.
LightG 4y ago
Damn, I'm picky ... you want my phone number before even getting a chance to try it out? NOPE.
dqpb 4y ago
I just want to commend OpenAI for protecting us from the sight of breasts. As we all know, breasts are some of the most dangerous and corrupting things known to humankind. Unleashing upon the world an advanced AI capable of rendering breasts would almost certainly result in the complete collapse of civilization as we know it. However, President Raisi is very disappointed by OpenAI's brazen and disgusting display of female hair. It's extremely insensitive that OpenAI has enforced only a mere subset of the worlds cultural mores.
IceWreck 4y ago
Yeah, no. Too late and stable diffusion works on my machine, I don't have to depend on anyone else to use it unlike this.
1024core 4y ago
Is this DALL-E or DALL-E 2 ?
vario 4y ago
I was on that waiting list, and when I was finally invited, I couldn't log in for unknown purposes--it asked me to apply for wait again. That was it for me--life is too short for tech drama.
nojvek 4y ago
DALL.E == MS Internet Explorer, StableDiffusion == Chromium. Hard to beat a high quality open source product. OpenAI missed the boat on "Open AI"
cassac 4y ago
Tell me when it stops requiring a phone number.
jaimex2 4y ago
lol, too late. Sorry Closed AI, no one cares. Stable Diffusion and its tools are evolving like nothing I have seen before. It's been ages since its been this exciting in new tech.
bookofjoe 4y ago
And yet, you have to sign up to use it, whereas anyone can use Stable Diffusion anonymously. Diff'rent strokes...
vivegi 4y ago
It would be interesting to know what groundbreaking findings they made between their limited signup period and now, other than the obvious reason that they got their asses kicked by Stable Diffusion and MidJourney's alternate models without pompous gatekeeping.
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ineedasername 4y ago
Dalle-E seems to take & apply more complex text prompts w/ scene compositions better than Stable Diffusion: With SD if I write "$X walking on the moon with $Y in a bold majestic style" the results will ofteb only include $X OR $Y. Dall-E appears to do a better job of identifying multiple subjects in this way. But it's hard to beat free: SD cant quite let me run it locally on my laptops's 2GB Ram GPU but I doubt it will take much longer for flexible distros of it to allow click-to-install versions that will run on most setups that have something resembling a discrete GPU.
- Agentlien 4y ago
  I have spent a lot of time banging my head against more complex prompts in SD. Trying to get it to understand separation of objects and composition is my biggest issue with this otherwise awesome tool. It took me a lot of tries and about half an hour to generate a blue lemon on a (blue) marble countertop instead of a yellow lemon on a blue marble countertop. I spent longer than I'd like to admit trying to get an image of a human running from a horde of zombies. No matter what I did I always got a zombie leading a charging horde of zombies. I've completely given up on trying to describe layout of a complex scene, but that can be solved with img2img. It is sometimes very difficult to get characters to interact with objects or each other in natural ways. And whether it works or not can be unpredictable. You can consistently get very common interactions like people dancing or riding a bicycle right. But good luck trying to generate say, a photograph of a man poking a sheep in the ear. Ok, I tried that one[0] and after a few minutes and about 16 generated images I actually got a few that were sort of accurate. [0]: https://imgur.com/a/11fc2wj https://imgur.com/a/11fc2wj
osigurdson 4y ago
I tried it but couldn't seem to come up with anything useful with the tool.As an example, I asked it to draw architecture diagrams based on fairly specific instructions (boxes and arrows, etc). It would kind of approximate it but the text was always in another language or other such strange things. I wasn't overly impressed but I'm sure I wasn't using it for the intended use case. GPT-3, on the other hand, was completely mind blowing for me.

430 points by minimaxir 4y ago

Well it's a shame they still want my phone number. I don't wanna give some random company my number if they aren't gonna call me.

O__________O 4y ago
Agree. Specifically, signup process is: email, email-verification, create-password, full-name, phone. Leaving the process to try the login will return you to the request for a phone.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  The phone number is to try and stop people signing up multiple times to get more free credits. At least in the USA, getting hold of large numbers of phone numbers for free isn't easy.
  - mcbuilder 4y ago
    When you are competing directly with a comparable free solution maybe these hoops don't make sense.
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  - Dma54rhs 4y ago
    Starts from 1 cent a number, doesn't have to from USA. It does add cost I agree, but these things are sold in bulk for very cheap.
    - O__________O 4y ago
      Link? Even for a one-time-use for verification, last I looked for one-off number verifications, it was $1 per authentication; to be fair, didn’t search too hard.
  - arecurrence 4y ago
    Indeed as VOIP numbers are banned. However, I know a number of people that aren't using DALL-E because they only have VOIP numbers (This is an ever growing reality today). They got to the phone step and were unable to continue (and support never replied to their requests for help).
pc86 4y ago
I don't want to give some random company my number because they might call me.
smallerfish 4y ago
Plus they disallow voip, which is a problem for me since I only have voip.
lazyjones 4y ago
It's pretty evil to troll people into giving them e-mail and name and then have the audacity to ask for a phone number. Without giving people who don't want that the possibility to delete the previously entered personal data...

mcherm 4y ago

It's unfortunate that they rejected my attempt to create an account because my phone number wasn't from one of their standard providers.

Bluecobra 4y ago
Same here, I have a Google Voice number and it rejected it. Pretty lame, it's not like I am going to be banking with them.
- peanuty1 4y ago
  That sucks, I only have a Google Voice number.
lenwood 4y ago
Why do they require a phone number to begin with?
- wraptile 4y ago
  They give 50 free credits and then 15/month - it's probably to prevent abuse.

soared 4y ago

> We’re experiencing a temporary issue with signups due to a vendor outage. We apologize for the inconvenience! I can’t imagine how many signups they’re getting right now. It’s almost behoove them to pregenerate a bunch of prompts and give people a sandbox version without signing in.

petarb 4y ago

I wasn’t able to create an account either, didn’t say why just gave me an error. Disappointing after I gave them all the info they wanted. Stable Diffusion and Midjourney it is

a3w 4y ago

I gave them my phone number, only then the signup failed. Well thanks for nothing, that is on par with scammers.

a3w 4y ago
Update: An email arrived: 50 extra credits, please try again. This time, verification worked. My account already existed.

MrZander 4y ago

Is DALL-E noticeably better than Stable Diffusion and other self-hostable options? I don't see why I would even bother going through the sign up process for OpenAI, only to be limited by their filters. Seems like they are late to the party now.

langitbiru 4y ago
For some categories like realistic people, DALL-E is better.
davidbarker 4y ago
I've run thousands of prompts with DALL-E 2, thousands with Midjourney, and probably hundreds with Stable Diffusion. My (very qualitative) feeling is that DALL-E 2 is good with composition and realism (e.g. generating photographs — you'll still get artefacts but it's less likely to look "computer graphics-y"), and is quite forgiving (you will usually end up with an image that makes sense). Midjourney had a recent update and can now produce beautiful images with far more detail and realism than DALL-E 2 in some cases, especially for human and animal faces, but excels more on the computer art side of things. (Midjourney now has a community showcase gallery: https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/ https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/) Stable Diffusion is a bit less forgiving than both, in my experience. Some people are able to create stunning images, but you have to invest more time into figuring out what works best. I'm currently looking into taking images generated with DALL-E 2, then using them as a starting point for Stable Diffusion to add detail. It works partciualrly well for cartoon-style images. For example: - Original DALL-E 2 image of a horse in a city: https://i.imgur.com/CaNHHR7.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/CaNHHR7.jpeg - That image used as a starting point for Stable Diffusion: https://i.imgur.com/EW1iKOO.png https://i.imgur.com/EW1iKOO.png and https://i.imgur.com/VOQ35Oz.png https://i.imgur.com/VOQ35Oz.png You can see it significantly cleans up the artefacts the original DALL-E 2 image had. (Note: the original DALL-E 2 image is 1024 pixels square, but Stable Diffusion generated a 512 square output.)
- jw1224 4y ago
  Midjourney's recent upgrade was largely thanks to integration with Stable Diffusion. Somehow Midjourney's images still retain a more "premium" artistic feel to them though.

murkt 4y ago

Isn’t available in Ukraine. Why?.. And it’s not like a “temporary error, please try again”. It just directly states “nope, not for Ukraine”. “Open”AI.

ronsor 4y ago
I have a nagging feeling this is their way of "preventing" fake war pictures from cropping up.
- hda2 4y ago
  Well, those who want to generate those images will use Stable Diffusion. If this is really their reasoning, they'll just hurt themselves - not really a bad thing given how manipulative OpenAI has been acting.
- murkt 4y ago
  I wonder if Russia is blocked as well. And Belarus. If they want to prevent fake war pictures, it should be done with their NSFW filter. Not with blocking the whole (suffering!) country.
- vanadium1st 4y ago
  I doubt it - GPT-3 is also restricted for users in Ukraine.
diimdeep 4y ago
FYI, there is filter that prevents to generate political content and other nasty stuff
- murkt 4y ago
  Yes, I know about their political and NSFW filter. But why block Ukraine? Do they think that everyone from Ukraine will 100% use this for generating dead Putins, or what? I just can’t think of any good reason to do that. I can think of one bad, though

johnfn 4y ago

It's really amazing how DALL-E missed the boat. When it was launched, it was a truly amazing service that had no equal. In the months since then, both Midjourney and Stable Diffusion emerged and got to the point where they produce images of equal or better quality than DALL-E. And you didn't have to wait in a long waitlist in order to gain access! They effectively gave these tools free exposure by not allowing people to use DALL-E. Furthermore, the pricing model is much worse for DALL-E than any of its competitors. DALL-E makes you think about how much money you're losing continuously - a truly awful choice for a creative tool! Imagine if you had to pay photoshop a cent every time you made a brushstroke. Midjourney has a much better scheme (and unlimited at only 30/month!), and, of course, Stable Diffusion is free. This is a step in the right direction, but I feel that it is too little, too late. Just compare the rate of development. Midjourney has cranked out a number of different models, including an extremely exciting new model ("--testp"), new upscaling features, improved facial features, and a bunch more. They're also super responsive to their communtiy. In the meantime, OpenAI did... what? Outpainting? (And for months, DALL-E had an issue where clicking on any image on the homepage would instantly consume a token. How could it take so long to fix such a serious error?) You have this incredible tool everyone is so excited to use that they're producing hundred-page documents on how to get better results out of it, and somehow none of that actually makes it into the product?

aabbcc1241 4y ago
and huggging face doesn't even require you to signup/login to have a try
irrational 4y ago
Equal or better quality? I suppose it depends on what you are trying to create, but that hasn't been my experience at all.
- johnfn 4y ago
  Which one are you comparing against? I've tried hundreds of prompts between SD and DALL-E and get comparable results. Midjourney was lagging for a while, but the new --testp parameter is really remarkable, which, in my view, makes it superior not only to Stable Diffusion but also to DALL-E as well.

draw_down 4y ago

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

It's just too late no idea why anyone in their right mind would use a pay-per-image tool that modifies what you put into it when they can have an unlimited and open local tool. Turns out all that "waitlist", the ethics lecturing, letting in only bluechecks and the larping about how dangerous it is doomed your product in the end. Hopefully the next time someone makes a tool as revolutionary as this they'll remember the mistakes of OpenAI.

langitbiru 4y ago
"an unlimited and open local tool" -> Not everyone has GPU or powerful machines.
- zaptrem 4y ago
  It has been optimized to the point where it now runs (albeit slowly) on four year old smartphones https://twitter.com/wattmaller1/status/1573768941096374274 https://twitter.com/wattmaller1/status/1573768941096374274
  - LanternLight83 4y ago
    Anecdotally, it runs twice as fast and with 20% lower VRAM use on my machines than it did when I first experimented with it in the first week after release. I no longer need to hyper-optimize memory use (as a layman!) and patch that optimized model into web-frontends that don't come with it to get it to run on a 4gb card, there are flags now that make it "Just Work"™. Down from 90s/512²img -> ~35s. Exited to try it out on some AMD APU's when I've got time to see if that can outperform my dedicated but ancient 4gb card.
- bestcoder69 4y ago
  You can use it locally or hosted. The hosted services are all cheaper than dalle2. It runs on google colab's free tier. Also, you can run it locally on a non-powerful machine. It just takes longer, but you can also just queue up as many prompts as you want and let your machine crank them out at its own pace. I use a first-gen macbook air m1 and it usually takes ~90s to generate an image with my usual settings.

hit8run 4y ago

F$ Microsoft and their shady move to lock openai. To be honest I am not interested in their offering. Yes they were fast. But there are also many true open source models available now. I don't want Microsoft to decide what I am allowed to do with it. Also they hide usable features behind a very expensive paywall and limit the budget to something like 25$ per month LOL. So actually they are like: "Here is a glimpse of it. But build nothing with it for broader audience. We want to see what you come up with and then copy paste it into our own products."

stephc_int13 4y ago

Not interested anymore, thank you for nothing.

bambax 4y ago
Same here. I got access in July, played with it a little bit, then MidJourney happened, and then SD. Who cares about Dall-E and their stupid restrictions and hoop-jumping? Good luck to them for being annoying AF when there are better and free and actually open alternatives!

m3kw9 4y ago

Now that stable diffusion is starting to eat onto its market share they unlock the artificial supply mechanism

jaimex2 4y ago
Stable Diffusion took its entire lunch, complete with plate. No one is even talking about DALL-E anymore.

toxik 4y ago

It’s a funny world where OPEN AI lost the battle because… it wasn’t open.

kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
Crazy talk. Next you’ll be saying Human Resources isn’t about protecting employees!
- evouga 4y ago
  Of course not. It's about managing the company's... human resources.
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    And executives are the people you execute if a company goes bankrupt.
- moralestapia 4y ago
  Nonsense, HR is your friend! :^)

davidbarker 4y ago

Apparently sign ups are currently down because of a "vendor outage". Perhaps because of the increased load? Once you're able to get access, I believe you'll receive 15 credits per month for free. Each credit allows one generation, and each generation produces 4 images. Rather than using up credits trying to learn how to formulate your prompts, I ran hundreds and uploaded them to https://generrated.com https://generrated.com (I posted it a couple of weeks ago as a Show HN) — hopefully they might be useful as a starting point and save you some credits/money.

Bluecobra 4y ago
This is pretty neat! Can also you use DALL-E mini/Craiyon to help with prompts or that going to be way off?
- davidbarker 4y ago
  Thanks! I actually don't have much experience with DALL-E mini/Craiyon, but I have heard people have taken the output of Craiyon and using it as the input for Stable Diffusion to improve the quality. I've been doing something similar with some DALL-E 2 images: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33011336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33011336
johndough 4y ago
Thank you for the compilation. Much appreciated! I just wanted to mention that the images in the row labeled "pen and ink caricature" do not load.
- davidbarker 4y ago
  Oops. Thanks! I'm not sure how I missed that. I've pushed a fix that should be live in 10 minutes.
mFixman 4y ago
This is a fantastic project. I really liked the 16th century Indian painting of an astronaut [1], and now I see a role of programs like DALL-E in giving people a good intuition on how to identify art from different styles and periods. [1] https://generrated.com/?prompt=16thCenturyPainting&subject=astronaut https://generrated.com/?prompt=16thCenturyPainting&subject=a...

simonswords82 4y ago

Just tried to sign up and it says sign up is not possible due to a vendor outage :(

langitbiru 4y ago

I wonder how people behind Imagen feel about this. Stable Diffusion is open source. DALL-E is open for public (albeit, with some limitations). https://imagen.research.google/ https://imagen.research.google/

gorkish 4y ago
Cynical take: When has Google ever cared whether or not anyone else can play with their toys? Plus it's less likely to be cancelled if it's never turned into a product.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Why do I get the impression that they cancelled it over a month ago? With SD and DALL-E making headlines nearly weekly, we've heard nothing but crickets chirping from Google's Imagen team.

ALittleLight 4y ago

DALL-E's censor really frustrates me. I hit "inappropriate" warnings that threaten "If you do this repeatedly you may be banned" all the time. Probably one in six prompts I tried on DALL-E got this warning. I don't see why a creative tool should have such aggressive censorship built in. One example of an "inappropriate" prompt that stuck out in my mind, and I think is pretty representative - I was trying to recreate DVD box art of Breaking Bad, but replace the main characters with cats. When my prompts were things like "Meth dealing cat" I would get the "inappropriate" flag. Frustrating. I much prefer stable diffusion. Quality is different, but being able to generate whatever I want without censorship is an enormous benefit. Plus, the cost. OpenAI is far too expensive. A friend and I are writing a novel. We wanted to see what it would be like to just feed each paragraph of text from our novel to the image generator, along with combinations of descriptions. This would be a pretty expensive experiment with DALL-E, but it can run locally for the cost of electricity with stable-diffusion.

ehPReth 4y ago
Agreed. I really hate DALL-E's censoring of prompts, I'm glad they're losing out.

thorum 4y ago

> We are currently testing a DALL·E API with several customers and are excited to soon offer it more broadly to developers and businesses so they can build apps on this powerful system. Here’s the real news! Just hope they disable the autoban for API users. It’s one thing to filter NSFW outputs like SD websites do, but blocking application API accounts for requests by end users would make it unusable.

loufe 4y ago

I got early access months ago and have been loving it. I had so much fun thinking of stupid prompts with colleagues and their results hang randomly around the office. I made an effort to start making birthday/other holiday cards for my family using Dall-E by telling stories in an art style, like old oil paintings or pencil drawings, which has been a huge success. I'm sold, though I do agree the pricing is a tad steep especially considering the presence of competitors.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago

Even if Dall-E was free, the "safety" filters make it a non-starter for me. Its totally asinine to put any kind of content filters on a creativity tool.

hbn 4y ago
They also mess with your prompts in an attempt to make them more diverse by inserting words like "black" into prompts. e.g. if you type "person in an office" it'll generate some images from the prompt "black person in an office" People were able to discover this by typing a prompt, something like "person holding a sign that says" and it would output pictures of people holding signs that just say the word "black", revealing that it was actually generating images from the prompt "person holding a sign that says black" https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888?t=R4FspU6zVhWCDHJ7ERAtJg&s=19 https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888?t=R4...
- mach1ne 4y ago
  Not only is that ugly, it's even more disturbing that users need to discover this themselves.
- astrange 4y ago
  I doubt it literally just appends words, it probably gets processed with a GPT prompt like “take this string and make it specifically mention X ethnicity”.
- stiltzkin 4y ago
  Fascinating so is OpenAI funded by ESG investors?.

etaioinshrdlu 4y ago

OpenAI already behaves like big tech. Nothing gets done or spoken without PR, marketing, and lawyers having their say. Not a great signal for their future trajectory.

Workaccount2 4y ago
To me what makes them like big tech is way overcharging for something that has a nominal cost to them, on the basis of "value produced".
- stingraycharles 4y ago
  Value-based pricing really is something much bigger than just “big tech”, and is actually something every business owner should do. I’m surprised to find a comment against value based pricing on HN to be honest.
  - Workaccount2 4y ago
    Imagine plumbers used value based pricing.
    - alonmower 4y ago
      They do, at least to the degree they can, while not being outcompeted by other plumbers. Source: one just quoted me 350 to swap out a faucet
- bogwog 4y ago
  How do you build a business if you sell your products/services at cost?
  - Workaccount2 4y ago
    The cost of everything tech is grossly inflated. Look at Amazon, they make an absolute killing with AWS. It's just fat margins all over. Google and MS price competitively with AWS and happily make a killing too. Sooner or later though, someone is going to come along and say "You know, I'd be fine with a 5% profit margin" and the house of cards will fall while the tech bros cry "value" the whole way down. You could trick yourself into thinking a sharpie is worth $40/mo if you drink enough of the "value" coolaid.

savant_penguin 4y ago

"Competition is a bitch" - OpenAI, probably

hiidrew 4y ago

I find it somewhat humorous based on their name that they're losing exposure to Stable Diffusion, an actual open source alternative. Although they created a lot of hype with their waitlist strategy. I'm personally partial to Midjourney, the discord UI is weird but once you get used to it, just looking at other's photos is equally as impressive as creating your own. Anyways, this space seems to be moving so quickly that it's difficult to keep up anyway.

Workaccount2 4y ago

The divide between SD and DALLE doesn't matter for anything meaningful. The tech is advancing at a breakneck speed. I really cannot emphasize that enough. If SD is behind today, I wouldn't even be the least bit surprised if it's ahead in one month from now. Or be where DALL-E is today and DALLE just be that much further. I suspect that even in 6 months from now people will be starting to see consistently good generation from "worse" prompting. The cat is out of the bag on this and running way faster than anticipated. Hold on, because the "AI generating fake media" thought experiment of the last decade has now officially gone live.

Agentlien 4y ago
I don't know whether SD or DALL-E is currently ahead from a technical standpoint. It does seem DALL-E is better, though not that good, at text. From what I've seen it also seems DALL-E is much better, though still flawed, at understanding instructions about composition. On the other hand I've seen an absolute deluge of amazing high quality work based on SD and little more than a number of kinda cool things from DALL-E. I've also not had access to DALL-E but have generated hundreds of images with Stable Diffusion on my own PC.
- Briggs958 4y ago
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Patrol8394 4y ago

Trying to signup, but they ask for the phone number ... no thank you

hugozap 4y ago

I've tried to contact OpenAI and they never answer. I was excited about them in the beginning but not anymore. Looks like they are really disconnected from the community and not interested in engaging.

WalterBright 4y ago

I wondered what stable diffusion was, so went to stablediffusion.com. The front page gives no indication as to what it is. So I clicked on their FAQ page: > What does Stablilty AI do? Stability AI is building open AI tools to provide the foundation to awaken humanity’s potential. Our values are lived by every team member and shown by everyone who excels at Stability AI. They are how we measure ourselves and our work. Our vibrant communities consist of experts, leaders and partners across the globe. They are developing cutting-edge open AI models for Image, Language, Audio, Video, 3D, and Biology. AI by the people, for the people. Still don't know what it does. Continuing to the next FAQ: > What’s our business model? We’re a company of builders who care deeply about real-world implications and applications. Many of our most considerable advances grow from working across multiple teams. We are unafraid to go against established norms and explore creativity. Our primary drive is to generate breakthrough ideas and convert them into solutions. We respect innovation over tradition. We trust that our differences make us more robust, and so we seek reason within every difference of perspective. Oh well. I give up.

ayewo 4y ago
Stable Diffusion is an AI model for computer generated art. https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion
xigency 4y ago
Not meaning to be rude, but you may be living under a rock. There’ve been many, many HN posts [0][1] about the open source, free to use txt2img and img2img ML model that is Stable Diffusion over the past few months. Though I agree that their website provides no useful information at all. [0] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=stable%20diffusion&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32665587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32665587
- WalterBright 4y ago
  > you may be living under a rock No wonder my back hurts.

not2b 4y ago

Just got "We’re experiencing a temporary issue with signups due to a vendor outage. We apologize for the inconvenience!"

xwdv 4y ago

It’s too late I personally don’t give a fuck about DALLE when there’s better alternatives easily available now, they missed the boat. The brand is tarnished IMO.

SanderNL 4y ago

I was on the waiting list for a long, long time. The waiting and their "safety" features left a bad taste. Now I can't even be bothered. Thanks Stable Diffusion!

karmasimida 4y ago

With Stable Diffusion fully open sourced. Honestly, I don't think I need DALL-E right now, as SD is free and MUCH MUCH more customizable.

barbariangrunge 4y ago

Dall-e is pretty useful but it makes me worry about my artist friends. I use ai art on my blogs but I hope to switch to paying humans to do it in the long run

pentagrama 4y ago

Just signed up and phone number verification is mandatory to use the service. Don't want to share my phone number with this service. Now I'm stuck on the phone number form and can't delete my account. Don't recommend.

cptaj 4y ago

It says its not available in my country. Why the region lock?

bekman 4y ago
I’m from Ethiopia and it says the same. So technically not available for “everyone”.

LightG 4y ago

Damn, I'm picky ... you want my phone number before even getting a chance to try it out? NOPE.

dqpb 4y ago

I just want to commend OpenAI for protecting us from the sight of breasts. As we all know, breasts are some of the most dangerous and corrupting things known to humankind. Unleashing upon the world an advanced AI capable of rendering breasts would almost certainly result in the complete collapse of civilization as we know it. However, President Raisi is very disappointed by OpenAI's brazen and disgusting display of female hair. It's extremely insensitive that OpenAI has enforced only a mere subset of the worlds cultural mores.

IceWreck 4y ago

Yeah, no. Too late and stable diffusion works on my machine, I don't have to depend on anyone else to use it unlike this.

1024core 4y ago

Is this DALL-E or DALL-E 2 ?

vario 4y ago

I was on that waiting list, and when I was finally invited, I couldn't log in for unknown purposes--it asked me to apply for wait again. That was it for me--life is too short for tech drama.

nojvek 4y ago

DALL.E == MS Internet Explorer, StableDiffusion == Chromium. Hard to beat a high quality open source product. OpenAI missed the boat on "Open AI"

cassac 4y ago

Tell me when it stops requiring a phone number.

jaimex2 4y ago

lol, too late. Sorry Closed AI, no one cares. Stable Diffusion and its tools are evolving like nothing I have seen before. It's been ages since its been this exciting in new tech.

bookofjoe 4y ago

And yet, you have to sign up to use it, whereas anyone can use Stable Diffusion anonymously. Diff'rent strokes...

vivegi 4y ago

It would be interesting to know what groundbreaking findings they made between their limited signup period and now, other than the obvious reason that they got their asses kicked by Stable Diffusion and MidJourney's alternate models without pompous gatekeeping.

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ineedasername 4y ago

Dalle-E seems to take & apply more complex text prompts w/ scene compositions better than Stable Diffusion: With SD if I write "$X walking on the moon with $Y in a bold majestic style" the results will ofteb only include $X OR $Y. Dall-E appears to do a better job of identifying multiple subjects in this way. But it's hard to beat free: SD cant quite let me run it locally on my laptops's 2GB Ram GPU but I doubt it will take much longer for flexible distros of it to allow click-to-install versions that will run on most setups that have something resembling a discrete GPU.

Agentlien 4y ago
I have spent a lot of time banging my head against more complex prompts in SD. Trying to get it to understand separation of objects and composition is my biggest issue with this otherwise awesome tool. It took me a lot of tries and about half an hour to generate a blue lemon on a (blue) marble countertop instead of a yellow lemon on a blue marble countertop. I spent longer than I'd like to admit trying to get an image of a human running from a horde of zombies. No matter what I did I always got a zombie leading a charging horde of zombies. I've completely given up on trying to describe layout of a complex scene, but that can be solved with img2img. It is sometimes very difficult to get characters to interact with objects or each other in natural ways. And whether it works or not can be unpredictable. You can consistently get very common interactions like people dancing or riding a bicycle right. But good luck trying to generate say, a photograph of a man poking a sheep in the ear. Ok, I tried that one[0] and after a few minutes and about 16 generated images I actually got a few that were sort of accurate. [0]: https://imgur.com/a/11fc2wj https://imgur.com/a/11fc2wj

osigurdson 4y ago

I tried it but couldn't seem to come up with anything useful with the tool.As an example, I asked it to draw architecture diagrams based on fairly specific instructions (boxes and arrows, etc). It would kind of approximate it but the text was always in another language or other such strange things. I wasn't overly impressed but I'm sure I wasn't using it for the intended use case. GPT-3, on the other hand, was completely mind blowing for me.