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Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russian men aged 18 to 65
- incomingpain 4y agoBasically confirming it'll be full mobilization.
- cm2187 4y agoIt doesn't need to be a full mobilisation, it doesn't take a large fraction of 300k people trying to flee the country to saturate flights that had already been greatly reduced after the various sanctions.
- WastingMyTime89 4y agoThat’s doubtful. It seems Russia doesn’t have enough equipment to fully mobilise. Plus their economy is already not doing that well I don’t think they could afford total war at this point.
- nomel 4y ago> their economy is already not doing that well Do you have a reference for this? The raw numbers don't seem that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#Data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#Data Everything I can find suggests they're ok, short term, with possible long term problems from loss of foreign markets.
- vkou 4y agoThere's a huge distance between what they are currently doing and full mobilization. It's likely they'll start mobilizing younger reservists.
- incomingpain 4y ago>There's a huge distance between what they are currently doing and full mobilization. It's likely they'll start mobilizing younger reservists. The context of the article is that partial mobilization has been ordered. All reservists and all veterans have now been conscripted. The distance between what is currently happening and full mobilization is quite small in fact.
- p1esk 4y agoAll reservists and all veterans have now been conscripted. No, this is not true.
- incomingpain 4y agoI guess I am at a loss as I do not understand Russian and therefore am subject to the professional translation of Putin's words. I haven't heard anyone deny the translation, why do you?
- p1esk 4y agoDon't worry, you're not the only one in the dark. No one knows who will be drafted, they (military) can pretty much grab whoever they want. No one even knows how many people are in "reserve": 20M, 50M? Minister of defense said they are looking to draft 300k people, but in Russia statements like that don't mean anything and the target number can change drastically at any moment for any reason.
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- abcd_f 4y agoThat's because there is no "independent russian media" anymore. The fact that flights were sold out are all over the news, including CNN, BBC and APNews, e.g. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-fleeing-mobilization-dbe01d0c9be45a8c479565501a2a8f32 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-fleeing-mobilizati...
- yeputons 4y ago"sold out" != "ordered to stop selling tickets" by far.
- SyneRyder 4y agoA Reuters version of the sold-out-flights news story is here on Australia's ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-21/flights-out-of-russia-sell-out-after-putin-orders-partial-call-/101464280 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-21/flights-out-of-russia... It included this paragraph: "Mr Putin's announcement, made in an early-morning television address on Wednesday, raised fears that some men of fighting age would not be allowed to leave Russia." EDIT: To be clear, the linked Reuters report did not say airlines had been told to stop selling tickets, just that above sentence speculating that it could happen. The Reuters report is 6 hours old at the time I am posting it here.
- LorenPechtel 4y agoJust how independent is any news media in Russia?
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- Pet_Ant 4y agoSite says "21 seconds ago" even afer refreshing... Does not seem legit
- KingOfCoders 4y agoHappy for everyone who got out.
- jwr 4y agoAlso, hoping that everyone who did get out (who presumably isn't that keen on murdering Ukrainians) is busy sending help to Ukraine and dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect.
- dmitrygr 4y agoA little presumptuous of you to tell people who just barely escaped being thrown into a meat grinder how to spend what little money they might have.
- throwaway777845 4y agoThinking, that people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does, is not really that presumptuous, given what russia is doing. Russia 101: Russia forcibly mobilizes men from occupied teritotries, most of them will die off in the spec operation, then (after war) loyal russians will be imported to that region.
- dmitrygr 4y agoAre you willing to take in 100M russians? Got a big back yard, with schools and hospitals to take care of them? If not, where are they to go exactly? What is it you want them to do? They live in a de-facto dictatorship. Most are normal people trying to just live a life. They have as much effect on Putin as you do (possibly less).
- luckylion 4y agoDoes that not absolve everyone of everything but Putin himself? His generals were "just following orders", the politicians "couldn't do anything alone", the tank-engineers were "just trying to live a life", the soldiers invading Ukraine "really have no influence", so they choose to murder Ukrainians instead of turning their guns on those they allegedly have no influence over.
- aerodog 4y agoThings are going to get ugly. Wish they would have reached a truce early on.
- jwr 4y agoA truce? This was an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country by another nation, with deliberate targeting of civilian population.
- sudden_dystopia 4y agoBetter than billions dying in thermo nuclear war cuz that’s where this seems to be heading.
- Zigurd 4y agoThe intermediate steps to where you think this is going would be invasions of the Baltics, other FSU nations, Poland, and Finland. The safest way forward is for Russia to be comprehensively defeated in Ukraine.
- tenebrisalietum 4y agoIf Russia takes Finland what happens to Linux?
- luckylion 4y agoThey would in either case. Give Russia what it wants in Ukraine and it will tell you what parts of Poland it considers theirs and threaten nuclear war as the alternative. The only good news: it'll stop once it reaches its eastern border. You cannot appease a fascist state.
- axus 4y agohttps://www.icanw.org/dealing_with_nuclear_anxiety https://www.icanw.org/dealing_with_nuclear_anxiety
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- Kon-Peki 4y ago(As the father of a teenage boy, this is the first thing that popped into my head) Any family with the ability to send their teenage boys abroad to live with extended family/friends is going to do so, ASAP. Russia's already terrible demographics are going to get worse. A lot worse. How long before they start selling territory to China?
- 11235813213455 4y agoor open more their immigration doors
- pohl 4y agoI think just yesterday they passed legislation that would allow foreigners to sign contracts for 1 year of military service in exchange for citizenship eligibility.
- hef19898 4y agoBetter then the French with 5 years, or the UK which doesn't hrant citizenship to, e.g., the Gurkhas. Not that I would take that particular offer so...
- hef19898 4y agoAnd THAT is the main reason there were so many young men among the refugees from Arab countries, they didn't want to fight for what ever side shanghaied them first.
- listic 4y agoAre there non-Russian airlines who operate in Russia and not subject to the order? Don't know how this thing works.
- Juunine 4y agoIt doesn’t work at all because, well, the borders are open yet and no one in Russia ordered to prohibit selling tickets to men. This is misinformation.
- bragr 4y agoFrom an AP version of the story someone linked bellow: Tickets for the Moscow-Belgrade flights operated by Air Serbia, the only European carrier besides Turkish Airlines to maintain flights to Russia despite a European Union flight embargo, sold out for the next several days. The price for flights from Moscow to Istanbul or Dubai increased within minutes before jumping again, reaching as high as 9,200 euros ($9,119) for a one-way economy class fare. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-fleeing-mobilization-dbe01d0c9be45a8c479565501a2a8f32 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-fleeing-mobilizati...
- halotrope 4y agoThere is mutual no-fly zones and sanctions in place.
- humanistbot 4y agoLots of Middle Eastern airlines. Qatar Air, Emirates, Air Arabia, Azerbaijan Airlines, all have flights out of Moscow that are still bookable according to ITA.
- orloffm 4y agoThe important thing is that foreign airlines can fly only between Russia and their country of origin. So some AirFrance can't be making flights to Turkey, for example.
- spicyusername 4y agoReally scary to imagine what that must be like. My heart goes out to those Russian citizens. EDIT: In case it's not obvious, I'm referring to people who do not support invading another country and murdering innocent people, but are being drafted to do so anyways.
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- WastingMyTime89 4y ago> (yes, I expect this comment to be unpopular, truth isn't always popular) If only Americans could be as self-righteous and morally involved when it comes to their own country imperialistic invasions…
- mildmotive 4y agoThe same logic can be elsewhere too, given enough support.
- vogt 4y agoPlenty of us do, and did during the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. That didn’t stop those invasions just like Russian citizens protesting the current war won’t stop Putin’s doubling down. To assume everyone in Russia toes the party line is unfair to them.
- bobkazamakis 4y ago>and where currently support for the invasion hovers around 70% on average Yeah man, Russians are going to go around answering polls truthfully right now. Brilliant.
- rr888 4y agoImagine getting an anoymous phone survey "Do you support Putin's glorious Special Operation in Ukraine or are you a nefarious traitor"
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- joecot 4y agoThey're already at sending reservists, who get around 3 days of training. Their front-line tank crews get exactly one practice shell per crew member, each year. Putin is going to run through all their reservists, and then start sending every Russian man who can physically hold a gun into the meat grinder. It only ends when someone in his government finally takes him out, or Ukrainians march on Moscow itself. How many Putin allies can fall down stairs or have strange accidents in 2 months time?
- that_guy_iain 4y agoPutin is already emptying the prisons. Russia has used this tactic before with success. They used to send wave upon wave towards the Germans. Your choice was get shot by Russians or maybe get shot by Germans. Turns people choose to try and kill the Germans first.
- ZanyProgrammer 4y agoSlightly different circumstances back then.
- that_guy_iain 4y agoThey were fighting for a side you liked? As far as I know, they were fighting a rather well trained army which had better training and weapons than they did. It's realistically possible that they could just win the war just by sending so many people that Ukraine runs out of people to fight back even if they were killing multiple Russians per Ukrainian that died. It's like everyone forgot the reason Russia were feared wasn't that they were a super power, had an amazing military. It was the fact, they don't care how many Russians die to win and they are brutal.
- avisser 4y ago> They were fighting for a side you liked? No, if we're talking about Germans attacking during a world war, it was an existential threat to Russia. The same cannot be said of Ukraine.
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- cm2187 4y agonot sure what it is worth or what to think of it, but it seems to be denied by the airlines themselves: https://www.aeroflot.ru/ru-ru/news/62478 https://www.aeroflot.ru/ru-ru/news/62478
- lnsru 4y agoSo full mobilization is coming. This insanity is about to reach another level. I bet these guys will be sent to front lines without proper winter equipment (because it was stolen by corrupt officials). The autumn will come and they will freeze in some woods fighting for nothing to death. As a dad I would do everything to keep my kids alive.
- systemvoltage 4y agoZeihan update on the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6sfPf1Z_Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6sfPf1Z_Q
- ledak 4y agoIt's already full. Despite Putin's statements about partial mobilization, there are no restrictions in the decree itself.
- tomjen3 4y agoI good number of them will also rape and murder Ukrainians. I won't say you shouldn't be feeling for the Russians, but maybe at least feel as much for the Ukrainian victims?
- sharken 4y agoAs a dad that is the responsible thing to do. To make matters worse, the new recruits will get mediocre training compared to their Ukrainian counterpart. Relevant articles: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/20/russia-sends-army-recruits-to-fight-in-ukraine-after-just-days-of-training-a78314 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/20/russia-sends-army-... https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1572571676524838915?t=k1xUozWlf3rjlnewj81WKQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1572571676524838915?...
- hintymad 4y agoRussian has been having logistic problems to supply their troop of 200K men. I was wondering how they could supply a fully mobilized troop. 200K at a time?
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- awb 4y agoI can’t help but wonder if there would be less war if supporters had to have skin in the game. Like how many supporters of military action are fine with sending other people to war, but would change their mind if it meant them having to go.
- krossitalk 4y agoI think System of a Down asked this same question: "Why don't presidents fight the war?"
- eternalban 4y ago"Why don't presidents fight the war?" CCR answered this question back in the 1969: https://genius.com/Creedence-clearwater-revival-fortunate-son-lyrics https://genius.com/Creedence-clearwater-revival-fortunate-so...
- williamstein 4y agoAlso, Black Sabbath: "Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah"
- nine_zeros 4y ago> I think System of a Down asked this same question: "Why don't presidents fight the war?" This war is already lost by Russia precisely because the generals and leaders are too far from the frontline. They are using people as pawns. The only reason this war appears so dangerous is because of nukes. This will be the first time in history that a non-American nuclear power is losing a war.
- loeg 4y ago> This war is already lost by Russia precisely because the generals and leaders are too far from the frontline. They are using people as pawns. I thought Russia was losing generals left and right in Ukraine?[1] Certainly, Putin and his sycophants are not on the front lines. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_2022_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_kille...
- norwalkbear 4y agoI don't blame men for fleeing. I have no intention to die for the USA. A country that denied me of healthcare, housing, and opportunity. I won't fight and die for a country that treats me as a evil white man. I just wanted a nice job, wife, and family. I won't be sad if the "elite" centers burn to ash.
- llampx 4y agoDid I stumble upon freerepublic.com or something? The elites have planes you know. 99.999% of people living in cities are worker bees.
- norwalkbear 4y agoNo they don't. How many hedge fund managers have a private plane? Not many.
- jacke 4y agoBased on personal research: They mostly have mansion with bunker. In the capital of Russia there is a village area. It's called Rublyovka. It's a homeland for all powerful people. 70% of mansions have a private bunker. size depends..it's a real deal.
- neither_color 4y agoFailing to provide you something for free is not the same as denying it to you. The majority of Americans have access to healthcare, we just haven't found a solution for the remaining ~30 million/10%. I'm in favor of a universal German or Singaporean style public-private system that covers everyone and am not downplaying the real issues with our system, I'm just adding context to hyperbolic statements like this I always see.
- cm2187 4y agoThis is why those visa restrictions for russian citizens are counterproductive. We should rather send charter flights to Russia to pick people up who are willing to leave the country (also the ukraine war is particularly unpopular among educated russians).
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y agoWhile I understand your logic, who is left to save the country then?
- seydor 4y agoI believe russians have long ago resigned from trying to change the regime and expect it to fall instead.
- SauciestGNU 4y agoYeah but what's the failure mode? If only Putin supporters and people who didn't have the means to flee are left, what's the next regime going to look like? For what it's worth, I support people dodging this and every draft.
- throwayyy479087 4y agoDespite what the news says, hugs portions of the population support these actions. They are not a captive state.
- dgan 4y agoone of the way to reduce the number of soldiers Russia would be able to send, is to specifically create favorable conditions for Russian dissidents to move out of the country; not preventing them from moving abroad
- usrusr 4y agoThat might reduce numbers, but it would also raise average willingness. Solving Russia's morale problems for them could actually be helping the invasion.
- thehappypm 4y agoNo thanks, pro-war Russian sympathizers cant have free tickets into my society
- dgan 4y agoLuckily it's not up to you to decide; and as I mentionned, "dissidents" have already the right to come under Geneva conventions. I am simply proposing to strengthen this link
- thehappypm 4y agoDraft dodging does not make you a refugee
- dgan 4y agodeserting the army definitely does.
- faebi 4y agoI don't understand why Europe stopped all flights to and from Russia. I think they should have kept the border open for non-rich people seeking to leave the country.
- noobermin 4y agoOn twitter, I'm seeing reports that tickets are now 100K+ in usd.
- logical_ferry 4y agoOh yeah, having Russians as a minority, what could go wrong there... Europe is not a safety net for Russian lack of democracy and common sense.
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- runews 4y agoI haven't seen this in any Russian-language media, and some of my friends were able to get tickets as recently as a few hours ago.
- vbezhenar 4y agoIs there some confirmation? Looks like fake news.
- Juunine 4y agoIt is fake news. There’re no restrictions to buy any tickets or cross borders in Russia. However, this measure is active in Ukraine. The Russian government keeps their borders open so dissidents can freely leave if they want. They don’t bottle them up within the country as the USSR did.
- neilv 4y agoIf this is true, I hope it is only posturing for international audiences, and not that they will be calling up more people to fight. I hope Russian leadership is already seeking an exit in which they can restore productive international relations, not intending to go out in a blaze of personal infamy. And I hope everyone else outside of there wants to see relations restored, not to cripple them, at tremendous human cost.
- Juunine 4y agoIt’s not true. Hard to say if they decide to do so in the future, but for now the borders are open.
- Zvez 4y agoLooks like fake to me. No sources. The title says 'ordered', by article itself about 'sold out'. The sold out part is actually true and was reported by multiple sources.
- fillest 4y agoThis is fake indeed. And it is strange and bitter for me to see it unflagged on HN
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- jacke 4y agoIt's fake. They don't ordered to stop (yet!). It's just all tickets have sold :)
- Animats 4y agoProtests in Moscow. Protestors outnumbered by cops.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEbvNslOSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEbvNslOSQ
- boomboomsubban 4y ago>According to journalist Amir Tsarfati... Do they mean this Bible prophecy teacher? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Tsarfati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Tsarfati
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y agoThis is a fake.
- KindDragon 4y agoThis is a fake. There has been no confirmation anywhere at this time.
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- apexalpha 4y agoDutch media reporting this as fake news. Could be Ukranian propaganda to stir up Russian society, who knows.
- ck2 4y agoIf Russia is going to have radically less resources, this is one way to reduce the demands of the population? How do they simultaneously argue how awesome they are doing at war and then a draft? There's no way anyone is convincing me nuclear isn't happening if things go even worse and maybe not even locally, he's got nothing to lose at this point, there's literally nothing the world can do about it because they aren't starting WW3
- twelve40 4y agoThis particular article is most likely fake news based on rumors from "journalist Amir Tsarfati" because if they were to cut it off they would definitely do it at the passport control, not "Russian airlines sales". There are tons of non-Russian airlines flying out of the country, including half a dozen Turkish ones, Emirates, etc. They already flag people dodging debt and child support at passport control, they would do the same for the draft dodgers, but so far there have been no reports of that happening.
- Markoff 4y agoUPDATE The head of Russia’s tourism agency said no restrictions have been imposed on travelling abroad so far and that Aeroflot, the country’s flag-carrying airline, said it was not limiting ticket sales. Also the OG source - guy in Israel who tries to sell his fiction books. Always check the source.