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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann in the second move
- hunglee2 4y agoare we asking Niemann to prove a negative here? Incredible by Carlsen, not clear what he wants to see happen from here.
- silent_cal 4y agoIt's possible prove a negative.
- null0pointer 4y agoMagnus either needs to come forward with evidence that Hans cheated against him at St. Louis or take his L and move on. I like Magnus but this behavior is just embarrassing.
- mellosouls 4y agoAdgamator short: https://youtube.com/shorts/QkqZxzZ4jD4 https://youtube.com/shorts/QkqZxzZ4jD4
- jobs_throwaway 4y agomaster troll Magnus. This is going to generate significantly more clicks than if he'd played and beat Hans handily
- mellosouls 4y agoMaybe, but it puts terrible pressure on a teenager; I hope his mental health holds up. Carlsen has lost a lot of credibility I think, whatever the misdeeds of Niemann in the past.
- jstx1 4y ago> I hope his mental health holds up. Doesn't seem like the kind of person who does well under pressure - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLNNyz7sPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLNNyz7sPw
- asdajksah2123 4y agoMany top level chess players suffer from tremendous mental health issues. This is not uncommon.
- redox99 4y agoThat seems like any streamer
- newaccount2021 4y ago
- Bostonian 4y agoRather than effectively forfeiting a game like this, Carlsen should not have played in the tournament if he was dissatisfied with the anti-cheating measures used. Carlsen is a great player who is dishonoring himself.
- radiator 4y agoThis is his own tournament, apparently. At least he seems to have significant control over it through his companies.
- asdajksah2123 4y agoCarlsen needs to be banned. I cannot see how this does anything for anyone and it's a ridiculous power move against a young player, whose only impact will be to discourage other players. For Carlsen to act like this without giving a single explanatory statement despite now just having the widest platform any chess player can, but literally owning most of the biggest platforms, is ridiculous.
- jstx1 4y agoWhat's the ridiculous power move exactly - giving someone a free win?
- asdajksah2123 4y agoHe hasn't even made a statement. The entire chess world has accused Niemann of cheating at this point, and Carlsen hasn't said a word. It's f'ing embarrassing. Further, Carlsen isn't just the #1 GM, and the most popular chess player in the world, his company also owns and partially owns 2 of the biggest chess platforms in the world. At this point for him to not even have made a statement is inexplicable.
- jjulius 4y agoI am a complete outsider when it comes to chess. I know the basics and can play, but I've spent very little time on it and have no idea about the dynamics of the "chess world". All that is to say, is that as an outsider looking in at this controversy, I think it's utterly insane for anyone to be taking sides on this issue while Carlsen has said nothing, nor tried at all to shed light on anything. The additional context in this comment chain (and thread) definitely hurt his trustworthiness as well. Edit: Always happy to learn and adjust my perspectives. I don't mind the downvotes, but in the interest of personal growth I don't mind chatting about why I might be wrong. I also straight up admitted I'm likely to be ignorant on the subject, so hey - point me in the right direction!
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- mellosouls 4y agoThanks, I've added another link to other coverage via Vice in a separate comment, replicated here. https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resigns-after-one-move-in-chess-rematch-with-hans-niemann https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resign...
- Invictus0 4y agoIt's become so easy to cheat that honor is very important. I don't blame Magnus for shunning Niemann, he's been caught cheating twice already and I don't know why anyone would expect him to have "learned from his 'mistakes'".
- asdajksah2123 4y agoHas Magnus even claimed Hans has cheated? Magnus is acting like a shitty bully. He's just letting everyone heap unfounded and ridiculous insinuations on his opponent without having the courage to even make a statement.
- Invictus0 4y agoOh please. How many times does Hans need to cheat before he is banned? I've been playing chess for a long time and never felt compelled to cheat, let alone in tournament, let alone cheat again after already being caught once. Hans also had this to say after he beat Carlsen: “It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me. I feel bad for him!” Who is the bully here?
- asdajksah2123 4y agoYou're right. I forgot Chess tournaments are blindfolded, so you don't know who is participating, and who you will be playing. Oh wait, that's totally not the case and Carlsen absolutely knew who he would be playing and knew the exact measures the tournament was taking and still hasn't had the balls to release a statement actually accusing Niemann of cheating, despite the fact that this is something everyone knows. Our brave Carlsen is too scared to make the claim that Hans is cheating despite this being something as obvious as the sky appearing blue. I'm not sure how this makes Carlsen look any better.
- pessimizer 4y agoI'm sure you'd be a lot happier with him if he accused the guy of cheating with no evidence. Carlsen thinks he's cheating and doesn't want to play with him; it might be soap opera, but it's not assault. If you don't want to be accused of cheating with no concrete evidence, don't get caught cheating. It's obvious that he's a world-class player, but it's his responsibility alone to get past that bad reputation. Even after time passes and he gets away from it, people will still use it as a pretext to screw with him. But he earned that black mark just as much as he earned his playing skill. The smart move for Niemann is to be absurdly graceful about this, and eventually, hopefully, get Carlsen on his side (or at least neutral.)
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- mellosouls 4y ago(OP) Alternative coverage on a bigger site as some commenters are having trouble with the original link: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resigns-after-one-move-in-chess-rematch-with-hans-niemann https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resign...
- keepquestioning 4y agoHow was Niemann cheating though?
- isitmadeofglass 4y agoAs far as I know he never gave a detailed description of how he cheats when playing online, he only admitted that he did it, and only admitted two instances, though from the recent chess.com response it sounds like it was more consistently than he admits. My best guess would be that he has a friend shadow playing the game on AI and uses that info to figure out when Poot une moments arise.
- radiator 4y agoThis is the interesting question, really. Probably the most popular theory on reddit is nearest to the truth.
- stephc_int13 4y agoWhat if Magnus is simply tilted? That would be sad, but IMHO it seems more plausible every day. His silence is not playing strongly in his favor.
- Victerius 4y agoThere are two possibilities. Either Hans Niemann cheated, or he didn't. If he cheated, we will never know, unless he confesses. If he didn't cheat, it would be humiliating for Carlsen. In any case, chess tournaments need to increase their security to make even the mere appearance of cheating impossible.
- stephc_int13 4y ago>There are two possibilities. Either Hans Niemann cheated, or he didn't. Yeah, sure, but in this case, any player could cheat, not only Hans. Magnus could have been cheating during all those years...
- dawsmik 4y agoThere are two possibilities. Either Hans Niemann cheated AGAIN, or he didn't.
- rowanG077 4y agoWhy are you repeating what the person you replied to said?
- threatofrain 4y agoOne person is talking about how accusations which affect credibility ought to be handled. The other person is noting that credibility has already been damaged by prior to this event.
- elteto 4y agoHe is updating his Bayesian priors.
- mabbo 4y agoI think the simplest answer to all of this is a cage match. Specifically, a Faraday Cage. Magnus believes that Niemann is cheating via communication with a computer. Fine, let's completely remove the ability to communicate with a computer. Both men are searched on the way in. Heck, for fun lets have them play in tight sporting outfits so it's very clear what they are carrying and doing. If Magnus destroys Niemann, he'll be able to pretty handily claim that Niemann can't win without communication to computers. If Niemann is competitive, or wins, it will be hard for Carlsen to make any more such claims. And also, the sport will have a spectacle like we've never seen before. Tell me you wouldn't pay to watch that match!
- ninepoints 4y agoFyi communication is not needed to cheat. Modern chess engines capable of high level play and assistance can be extremely small and concealable.
- mabbo 4y agoYeah, we'll need them to don tight spandex clothing and walk through a sensitive metal detector on the way to their chairs.
- mikkergp 4y agoBend over and cough?
- anonu 4y agoNot to spread rumors or anything, but this has gone over the top: > A chess grandmaster has become the victim of an online rumor that he used a sex toy to defeat the world champion. https://www.insider.com/chess-feud-hans-niemann-magnus-carlsen-anal-beads-rumor-explained-2022-9 https://www.insider.com/chess-feud-hans-niemann-magnus-carls...
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- smm11 4y agoThey scan bicycles for hidden motors any more, before and after important bicycle races. Maybe X-Rays are needed for chess, such as for airplane boarding?
- pmontra 4y agoAlso during races with termal cameras https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/tour-de-france-unveils-measures-to-catch-cheats-with-hidden-motors-neodymium-magnets/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/tour-de-france-unvei...
- lawrenceyan 4y agoClip of the resignation - https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/champions_chess_tour_magnus_resigned_a_game https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/cham...
- arolihas 4y agoIt really does seem like Hans is looking down at something after the first move.
- dylan604 4y agoGood gawd, that's some horrible video coverage. The commentators are not even talking about the game at hand. The person blabbering on has to be interrupted and told what has happened. The actual players are but a side bar to whatever this commentary is. This was not a good introduction for me to this world.
- cool_dude85 4y agoThere's not much to comment on in chess about the first few moves. Around move 3 or 4 you maybe can say "wow, looks like Magnus is going for such-and-such opening."
- drexlspivey 4y agoIt’s not about cheating on this match, it’s about a match played two weeks ago. There is also 0 reason to cheat on the opening 2 moves.
- neonate 4y agohttps://archive.ph/LwYQ0 https://archive.ph/LwYQ0
- zibby8 4y agoTop athletes have a history of having mental breakdowns as they realize they've aged and no longer can dominate as they once had. Famously, Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear off during a match, but there are other examples like Serena Williams' berating of the umpire during her loss to Naomi Osaka. It's always a bit sad / pathetic to see adults lose their cool when losing to a child.
- j0hnyl 4y agoDo you really think this is that? Magnus is far from "aged out" of competitive chess.
- __s 4y agoMagnus has also historically taken losses pretty well (as well as one might assume in a highly competitive environment), in the last month he tweeted https://twitter.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1561721460334510080?cxt=HHwWgIC-lZrZrKwrAAAA https://twitter.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1561721460334510080... > Fully deserved, after a performance that showed great resilience, determination, and quality. As for me, I am happy to (barely) be younger than the second and third place finishers combined
- rowanG077 4y agoI don't think it's losing well at all. He just had to put that flex in there about his age. How is that losing well?
- bad416f1f5a2 4y agoI think you're both wrong :-) GP is wrong because Magnus won this tournament – but he did lose to Pragg three times along the way. But I don't think you can say you are "losing well" when you congratulate the silver medalist while holding gold. You're wrong because, what flex? Pragg is 17 and Alireza Firouzja (the third place finisher) is 19. His comment reads more as a hat tip to two young rising stars than anything else.
- mongol 4y agoAbout this cheating accusation... is there any substance behind it, and how credible is it?
- JetSetIlly 4y agoNeimann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches and was banned from chess.com tournaments for some time. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/07/top-chess-player-hans-niemann-admits-cheating-in-past-but-says-he-is-now-clean https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/07/top-chess-play... The current tournament is an online tournament.
- __s 4y agoBesides that, chess.com made a statement that Hans was not divulging the full extent of the truth I think at this point Magnus doesn't care whether Hans is cheating in any particular game. Magnus plays chess for fun, & he doesn't find it fun to play against someone who has previously cheated
- mrguyorama 4y agoIf we want to go this far into euphemism and implication, remember that Magnus has something like a 20% stake in chess.com
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- Corazoor 4y agoI think it is worth pointing out that Chess.com did sign a contract to buy the Play Magnus Group last month. I dunno what to make of that, but this whole thing could have been handled a bit more professional...
- karaterobot 4y agoI'm surprised he's allowed to compete at that level anymore, especially in online tournaments. I'd think that would disqualify you permanently. I suppose there are examples of athletes in other sports who've been caught cheating and not kicked out of the sport. But one way in which those examples are different than this one is that in online chess, cheating could mean essentially letting a computer do everything for you. In other sports, for example baseball, a player who takes performance enhancers still has to play the game. Online chess allows for complete cheating, in other words.
- ejcx 4y agoThere have been instances in chess where cheaters get caught and they receive light bans and many top players say the punishment is too weak. It's intuitive, if you've been caught cheating then you should be banned from competitive chess. I think that's more likely what Magnus thinks.
- ncmncm 4y agoIt should suffice that you can be proven not to be cheating right here and right now. Unlike doping, getting assistance helps you only exactly as long as you continue getting it.
- macintux 4y agoGood luck proving an absence of cheating, especially in an online match.
- ncmncm 4y agoOnline is admittedly tricky. But it seemed to me this one wasn't.
- munificent 4y agoA rule like that simply incentivizes players to spend resources developing more sophisticated methods of cheating. You have to consider not just the immediate effects of a rule, but the iterated systemic effects.
- permo-w 4y agoI don't agree with the person you're replying to; it's unfair to permanently ban people from competitive play for online cheating they did when they were younger (although not that much younger in this case). however, without overly expensive and invasive methods of detection, plus unpleasant rule changes, what you describe isn't feasible. there are too many ways to cheat, and people who are already smart enough to play at a grandmaster level are not only going to find these ways, but excel in them. I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I would be extremely willing to believe that plenty of high-level OTB cheating has gone on over the years, especially with money on the line
- m3kw9 4y agoDo an airport type scan? Will that work?
- CollinEMac 4y agoFrom what I've read they already typically pat down and wand competitors.
- ttyprintk 4y agoI read that a game in Croatia led to officials strip-searching a statistically improbable tournament player.
- sn0w_crash 4y agoI’ve been watching this situation from day 1. As a Magnus fan I have yet to see any convincing evidence (or any evidence at all) of Hans cheating. Hikaru’s analysis was a waste of time, IMO. This is starting to look like a massive nothingburger.
- StanislavPetrov 4y agoHans has a documented history of cheating, for which he has been previously banned. That's good enough for me.
- rowanG077 4y agoThat's a pretty concerning statement to make. You are basically saying people never change and we should never forgive people for mistakes made in the past.
- effingwewt 4y agoThis isn't about life and making illegal choices and going to prison and reforming. This is a competition with rules. Should be that if you cheat- lifetime ban. Period. Stop cheating dead except by the most desperate. Temporary bans are something cheaters are willing to take. Lifetime bans are not. We see time and again that when cheating is not rooted out it becomes endemic, as the only way to compete becomes to cheat. At that point the rules are suggestions.
- timeon 4y agoWasn't he like 16 years old?
- effingwewt 4y agoAge is irrelevant. If he is competing he needs to follow the rules. The wonderful thing about chess is it's a great equalizer. Young and old, rich and poor- anyone can learn and even possibly become great. If you compete with adults you must be held to the same standards. If you worry that under a certain age is too young to be held to such standards (which I totally understand!), they should have separate leagues. He cheated multiple times- apparently more than he admitted to, and on the same platform.
- wodenokoto 4y agoSecond move? As in Magnus Carlson moved two pieces and quit? Or is “move” chess speak for rounds or what?
- laweijfmvo 4y agoThe former. He either planned to do it from the start, or got upset right after the game started and resigned immediately.
- ttyprintk 4y agoHe completed the game without breaching his contact to play it.
- warent 4y agoA move in chess is when both sides play a piece. It went: 1. Hans, Magnus 2. Hans, Resign
- jayski 4y agoI was under the impression it's really hard to have a communication device that's not discoverable on you. In Vegas you could make a lot of easy money playing poker if you can communicate with the other players, people have done just this and got caught. which leads me to believe a tournament of this much importance could also prevent it.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y agoYou only hear about the ones who got caught, right?
- cestith 4y agoIn a casino, they only have to suspect cheating to ask you to leave. In a GM tournament I don't think the judges or sponsors could just say someone's playing better than usual and is therefore banned. There needs to be a little more evidence than a one-in-twenty win happening. Less likely things happen every day.
- mrguyorama 4y agoWell casinos also have the much much much easier task of not having to keep gaming pure, but simply to keep it profitable. They don't have to prove you are cheating, because if you are taking in more money than you should be statistically, they can make you leave and ban you, no recourse. They only have to prove you cheated when they want to put you in prison for it and take their money back. That could possibly mean that the public info on casino cheating trends towards very advanced and profitable cheating instead of average cheating, but I am not a statistician.
- cwillu 4y agoAnd with poker specifically, cheating doesn't really affect their profit directly: the casino rakes the pot regardless of who wins it.
- dkarras 4y agoThe difference with chess compared to casino games is that at this level of play, you only need 1 or 2 BITS of outside information to gain a huge advantage. You can decrease it to 1 bits if you agree on the meaning of the signal beforehand. It is enough for a high level player to receive a signal that signifies that the current board position is critical. They will be able to find the correct move themselves. So cheating at this level is not like an engine giving you moves to play. It is more like a signal that says "your opponent blundered, if you take advantage you will win", or "if you find the critical move in this position you'll most probably win". Just have that signal at the correct moment and a 2500+ ELO player will, with little effort, figure out the winning move. That single bit of information can change the entire outcome.
- stephc_int13 4y agoHere is a nice and balanced opinion about this drama. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YktWQrnjPwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YktWQrnjPwU
- mellosouls 4y agoBackground and discussion from the excellent GothamChess: https://youtu.be/YktWQrnjPwU https://youtu.be/YktWQrnjPwU
- skilled 4y agoThis looks like to have been an online tournament. Makes sense for Magnus to resign if he strongly believes that his opponent was in fact cheating.
- penetrarthur 4y agoI've been trying to follow chess events for the last couple years and I enjoyed it. Right now I have completely lost all the interest in chess because of this 16 and Pregnant level of drama. I feel that Magnus has become so important in the world of chess that other top level chess players are too afraid to intervene in this "cheating" scandal. Even Hikaru who seemingly has equal(if not bigger) media share of the chess world chooses to make silly videos instead of actually having strong stance against this bullying. Innocent until proven guilty.
- zeven7 4y ago> Even Hikaru ... chooses to make silly videos instead of actually having strong stance against this bullying. I think Hikaru also suspects Hans may be cheating.
- cosentiyes 4y agoHe’s implicated this for hours on stream
- DonHopkins 4y agoCould you run a powerful enough chess AI on a local back-end Raspberry Plug? Perhaps it would need some sort of cooling and venting mechanism...
- oldstrangers 4y agoDevil's advocate moment: Perhaps Magnus (center of the chess world) knows more than we do, and this is his form of silent protest to force the hands of the people that can actually do something about it (FIDE). I say this, because there are some pretty insidious rumors at the highest levels of chess concerning coverups and numerous examples of suspicious things happening over the past two years (not just from Hans). I can see a scenario where Magnus is up against something larger than himself.
- roflyear 4y agoDevil's advocate? You very obviously are convinced Hans is a cheater.
- oldstrangers 4y agoI mean he is a cheater, that much has been proven. OTB? Remains to be seen.
- lisper 4y agoI don't know much about chess so maybe I've got this all wrong, but I don't see how this can be anything but a dick move by Magnus. What information could he possibly have obtained in that amount of time that would informed him of whether Has was cheating? And if he didn't obtain that information in real time, why did he agree to the match in the first place? It makes no sense.
- lisper 4y agoAnswering my own question (just for the record): I'm pretty sure now that I've looked into this some more that Magnus was contractually obligated to play this game, and so this is hist way of refusing to play without technically breaching the contract. This conclusion was informed by this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSP9hMpbPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSP9hMpbPo
- tromp 4y agoAs long as Magnus is unwilling to play a game against Hans, he should outright refuse to play in any tournament where Hans is known to participate. Entering with the intention to throw a game is a dick move that causes unnecessary drama, unfairness in the results, and biases in rating computations.
- richwater 4y agoNah fuck that. Magnus is the greatest he's not at the whims of some shithead.
- dimator 4y agoWhat?? Why would he exclude himself from tournament winnings, assuming he can still place strongly with 1 resignation?
- tzs 4y agoThere are other players in a tournament besides Hans and Magnus. It's not unfair to those other players for Magnus to give Hans a point for free but make them work hard to try to earn a point from him. If it keeps up there will be tournaments where Hans beats out someone else for prize money where his free point from Magnus is what puts him ahead of that other person.
- toppy 4y agoTo all chess experts here: is Hans's second move c2c4 so strong/brilliant?
- caballeto 4y agoIt's playable, not weak/strong.
- toppy 4y agoFrom what I see here [1] Niemann's c4 is a natural continuation. What's all the fuss about? [1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chess_Opening_Theory/1._d4/1...Nf6 https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chess_Opening_Theory/1._d4/1.....
- cpmsmith 4y agoI'm no expert, but no. If I'm reading this database correctly, it's the single most common position at that point in the game: https://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=3&n=14&ms=d4.Nf6&ns=7.14 https://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=3&n=14&ms=d4.Nf6&ns=7... This is presumably not about this specific game.
- toppy 4y agoOh, drama then...
- soared 4y agoThis appears to be the best full context I’ve found: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comment/ip3f9p0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comm...
- tantalor 4y agoThis bit explains it: > I'm going to resign any game I'm forced to play with him He resigned because the opponent, not the match.
- gus_massa 4y agoThe complete paragraph is: > Now Magnus is required to play 1 move before resigning so he did so. He's basically saying: "I won't play with a known and admitted cheater, so I'm going to resign any game I'm forced to play with him" rather than doing a weird dance about skipping tournaments or forcing tournaments to not include Hans if they want Magnus to attend. Note that the text you copied is not a quote of Magnus Carlsen. It's just a "fake" quote that a Reddit user imagined.
- cool_dude85 4y agoIt will be interesting to see what Magnus does with other players around that 2600-2650 level who have been made to occasionally take breaks from online tournaments, e.g. Maghsoodloo. Or if this stance is only reserved for those who win against him as black.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoI think this is absolutely disgraceful. There is zero proof that Niemann cheated across the board. Kasparov made a great analysis, he said Carlson made a bad opening and paid for it. He got mad and embarrassed. He should be stripped and suspended.
- QuantumGood 4y agoWe can assume with some confidence that Carlsen is implying: (1) Niemann should not have been allowed into the tournament (2) Due to sufficient cheating evidence, and that he (3) Does not wish to make a statement to avoid any legal jeopardy. His approach so far can be seen as better than skipping tournaments or trying to force tournaments to not include Hans if they want Magnus to attend. Analysis of their last game together: https://lichess.org/broadcast/sinquefield-cup--grand-chess-tour-2022/round-3/jNzNS3br/89RoVoRC https://lichess.org/broadcast/sinquefield-cup--grand-chess-t...
- robocat 4y agoThis is a meta-game for Carlsen. He likes playing games with rules, and he is probably enjoying himself. How do we tell the difference between HN comments by people ignorant of this particular meta-game, and insightful commentary by highly skilled meta-players? Wikipedia about Carlsen: “he reached the No. 1 spot on a Fantasy Premier League game, ahead of seven million other players, before eventually finishing the season in 10th place. In April 2022, Carlsen played poker at the Norwegian Championships Main Event and finished 25th out of 1050 players”.
- Cthulhu_ 4y agoYeah but, why not just continue playing, lose, and have the analysts come up with the evidence the other guy is cheating? It sounds like he's just being rebellious now, refusing to play in the first place. If he loses against a computer, that's fine; if it provides evidence that the other guy is cheating, great. I'm sure Carlsen knows how to play in a way that makes known chess engines behave in a certain way.
- karmakaze 4y agoThis is so interesting in many ways. One there may be no cheating in IRL games so there's a new up challenger for the crown. Two we're seeing a "prove you're not an AI" being asked of a human who doesn't seem to adequately explain their play in a way that seems convincing to other experts. Thirdly, it brings up the whole Deep Blue vs Kasparov rematch which may not have been adequately resolved depending on which circles you speak. Will artists also have to prove that their artwork is not machine-assisted (how?) or else become devalued? Where is this all heading?
- kweingar 4y agoIt is curious to see so many people who normally have gung-ho attitudes about "innocent until proven guilty" and "false accusations can ruin a life" and "don't make accusations without evidence" leave that behind in this case. There are incentives for the non-top-player peanut gallery to pile on here. It makes you look smart and chess savvy to say "I looked at the games and clearly he was cheating."
- largepeepee 4y agoRip
- egberts1 4y agoIt would not be hard to be connecting two of the many dots from existing technology domains together. For example, sending chess moves via condensed 16-key (Morse-like) Code via a vibrating butt-plug? Would require a complicit partner to do so. #headduck
- ttyprintk 4y agoShoe inserts offer two-way telegraphy without an intermediary.