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Saskatoon Freezing Deaths

208 points by some_random 4y ago

brailsafe 4y ago
I wonder if OP recently learned about through JJ's recent video
soperj 4y ago
> According to the report, a "police spokeswoman acknowledged that the section on starlight tours had been deleted using a computer within the department, but said investigators were unable to pinpoint who did it." Can't even solve a case within their own dept, what's the hope for anyone else?
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- UI_at_80x24 4y ago
  In other words: The police have investigated murderous activities by the police and have found no wrong doing.
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- googlryas 4y ago
  I don't think that is a criminal matter.
  - soperj 4y ago
    Maybe not, but they haven't even laid charges on the officers who dropped these people off outside of town in deadly conditions. That is a criminal matter. It's more cover up for a situation they'd rather ignore.
lizardactivist 4y ago
The treatment of native and african Americans in the North American continent is so unjust and severe, and has been persistent for decades in a way that it's almost like a long drawn-out genocide.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  unbalanced representations only fuel the fire of antagonism; far too many examples on both sides of justice in the last sixty years, for a single summary right?
  - krisoft 4y ago
    > far too many examples on both sides of justice What would the “both sides” mean here? Hushed up murders were First Nation members froze police to death?
  - happytoexplain 4y ago
    I think I understand the gist of what you're saying, but it's hard to follow your wording. Especially, "far too many examples on both sides of justice". Can you try to clarify?
  - StayTrue 4y ago
    I found the summary accurate, at least from my knowledge of the treatment of indigenous people in Canada (the subject of this HN post).
    - cwillu 4y ago
      I live in Saskatoon. If anything, the summary downplays the extent of the issues here.
  - jamiek88 4y ago
    How do you ‘both sides’ murder?
    - 4y ago
lurkshark 4y ago
There’s a great episode of the Criminal podcast on this topic https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-138-starlight-tours-4-17-2020/ https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-138-starlight-tours-4-17-...
mrpopo 4y ago
When I read about Inuit culture of non-violence in the 20th century [1], and wheb I read about them today [2], I have this disgusted feeling that Western culture of drugs and anger is like a virus that spread into their completely non-immunized population. A bit like the diseases brought into the new world in the 19th century, but this time psychological. [1] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283 https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283 [2] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/10/10/inuit-highest-suicide-rate/?lp_txn_id=1324804 https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/10/10/inuit-highest-su...
- fxtentacle 4y ago
  Fully agree. For some inventions, such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. But then again, I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society. BTW, it's not just Inuit having high suicide rates: "Suicide among teens and young adults reaches highest level since 2000" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-young-adults-reaches-highest-level-since-2000 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-... "CDC report: Suicide rate among teen girls at all-time high" https://abc7.com/teen-suicide-girl-teenage-suicides-at-all-time-high/2279220/ https://abc7.com/teen-suicide-girl-teenage-suicides-at-all-t... "Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., with more than 41,000 Americans taking their own lives each year and more than 494,000 Americans receive medical care for self-inflicted injuries." https://www.medicaldaily.com/suicide-america-high-rate-teen-girls-383223 https://www.medicaldaily.com/suicide-america-high-rate-teen-...
  - appletrotter 4y ago
    > such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. What does this mean? Are you against psychedelics, but only if its time for lunch?
    - revolvingocelot 4y ago
comrh 4y ago
Freezing murders would be more accurate
Dave3of5 4y ago
Kind of random but none the less still horribly brutal.
- ygjb 4y ago
  No, it's not random. If it were random, there would be other folks represented in the victim population. This is a clear example of the racism and acceptance of extrajudicial violence against Indigenous people in Canada. That said, I know that is not really what you meant by random in this context.
jjhawk 4y ago
Excellent podcast on the topic: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/the-police-4-starlight-tours/ https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/the-police-4-starlight-to... Also a part of a larger investigative series on policing in Canada
engineer_22 4y ago
Terrifying. What is the police department's motive for the killings? It's left out in the article.
- everyone 4y ago
  I guess part of systematic ethnic cleansing by the government in general?
  - cwillu 4y ago
    No, the systemic cleansing party didn't hold onto their seat very long. This is “merely” the organic actions of individuals, when those individuals are a substantial portion of the population. The racist undercurrents in this city are _strong_.
    - ygjb 4y ago
      s/city/country Starlight Tours have been documented in many major cities in Canada, with actual evidence and related cases in Saskatoon, Montreal, and Winnipeg. It is also widely suspected that it is still a practice in some communities.
- clsec 4y ago
  Probably getting rid of the alcoholics that they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not right, but cops are cops.
  - shakezula 4y ago
    That's a complete non-sequitur. Assuming they're alcoholics is pretty racist and, even if they are, doesn't even begin to justify these actions by police.
    - cwillu 4y ago
      Of course it doesn't justify it. But it's absolutely the rationale they tell themselves.
username223 4y ago
I hesitate to post this, but Canada is in a lot of ways a museum of the American West. The first time I visited BC, I turned on public radio and heard a story about tailings ponds collapsing into rivers. The logging is beyond what you get used to in modern OR, WA, and MT. The boarding schools that tried to eradicate native languages in the 1900s were like the ones the States had a few decades earlier. It’s a hard land inhabited by a hard people.
- cwillu 4y ago
  TIL I'm hard people. (Doesn't everyone go for 4 hour walks in -40° to prove that they still can?)
- ameixaseca 4y ago
  Funny you said that. Slavery, for instance, was abolished in Canada ~30 years before the USA. I guess it can go both ways.
NateEag 4y ago
Do not miss the beautiful, heart-breaking song "Starlight" about the incidents: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9cGMJqwuQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9cGMJqwuQ
thrusong 4y ago
It's well known the Winnipeg Police Service did (and possibly still does) this.
Borrible 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears
thunkshift1 4y ago
Such nice people, the canadians
nivertech 4y ago
This partly explains the tough attitude of the government and the police towards the recent trucker protests. Coincidentally, Saskatoon is in Saskatchewan, which has the highest demand for truck drivers in Canada.
psyfi 4y ago
0 wars on terror has been started for these people

208 points by some_random 4y ago

I wonder if OP recently learned about through JJ's recent video

> According to the report, a "police spokeswoman acknowledged that the section on starlight tours had been deleted using a computer within the department, but said investigators were unable to pinpoint who did it." Can't even solve a case within their own dept, what's the hope for anyone else?

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UI_at_80x24 4y ago
In other words: The police have investigated murderous activities by the police and have found no wrong doing.
deleted 4y ago
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googlryas 4y ago
I don't think that is a criminal matter.
- soperj 4y ago
  Maybe not, but they haven't even laid charges on the officers who dropped these people off outside of town in deadly conditions. That is a criminal matter. It's more cover up for a situation they'd rather ignore.

lizardactivist 4y ago

The treatment of native and african Americans in the North American continent is so unjust and severe, and has been persistent for decades in a way that it's almost like a long drawn-out genocide.

mistrial9 4y ago
unbalanced representations only fuel the fire of antagonism; far too many examples on both sides of justice in the last sixty years, for a single summary right?
- krisoft 4y ago
  > far too many examples on both sides of justice What would the “both sides” mean here? Hushed up murders were First Nation members froze police to death?
- happytoexplain 4y ago
  I think I understand the gist of what you're saying, but it's hard to follow your wording. Especially, "far too many examples on both sides of justice". Can you try to clarify?
- StayTrue 4y ago
  I found the summary accurate, at least from my knowledge of the treatment of indigenous people in Canada (the subject of this HN post).
  - cwillu 4y ago
    I live in Saskatoon. If anything, the summary downplays the extent of the issues here.
- jamiek88 4y ago
  How do you ‘both sides’ murder?
  - 4y ago

lurkshark 4y ago

There’s a great episode of the Criminal podcast on this topic https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-138-starlight-tours-4-17-2020/ https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-138-starlight-tours-4-17-...

mrpopo 4y ago

When I read about Inuit culture of non-violence in the 20th century [1], and wheb I read about them today [2], I have this disgusted feeling that Western culture of drugs and anger is like a virus that spread into their completely non-immunized population. A bit like the diseases brought into the new world in the 19th century, but this time psychological. [1] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283 https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283 [2] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/10/10/inuit-highest-suicide-rate/?lp_txn_id=1324804 https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/10/10/inuit-highest-su...

fxtentacle 4y ago
Fully agree. For some inventions, such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. But then again, I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society. BTW, it's not just Inuit having high suicide rates: "Suicide among teens and young adults reaches highest level since 2000" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-young-adults-reaches-highest-level-since-2000 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-... "CDC report: Suicide rate among teen girls at all-time high" https://abc7.com/teen-suicide-girl-teenage-suicides-at-all-time-high/2279220/ https://abc7.com/teen-suicide-girl-teenage-suicides-at-all-t... "Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., with more than 41,000 Americans taking their own lives each year and more than 494,000 Americans receive medical care for self-inflicted injuries." https://www.medicaldaily.com/suicide-america-high-rate-teen-girls-383223 https://www.medicaldaily.com/suicide-america-high-rate-teen-...
- appletrotter 4y ago
  > such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. What does this mean? Are you against psychedelics, but only if its time for lunch?
  - revolvingocelot 4y ago

comrh 4y ago

Freezing murders would be more accurate

Dave3of5 4y ago

Kind of random but none the less still horribly brutal.

ygjb 4y ago
No, it's not random. If it were random, there would be other folks represented in the victim population. This is a clear example of the racism and acceptance of extrajudicial violence against Indigenous people in Canada. That said, I know that is not really what you meant by random in this context.

jjhawk 4y ago

Excellent podcast on the topic: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/the-police-4-starlight-tours/ https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/the-police-4-starlight-to... Also a part of a larger investigative series on policing in Canada

engineer_22 4y ago

Terrifying. What is the police department's motive for the killings? It's left out in the article.

everyone 4y ago
I guess part of systematic ethnic cleansing by the government in general?
- cwillu 4y ago
  No, the systemic cleansing party didn't hold onto their seat very long. This is “merely” the organic actions of individuals, when those individuals are a substantial portion of the population. The racist undercurrents in this city are _strong_.
  - ygjb 4y ago
    s/city/country Starlight Tours have been documented in many major cities in Canada, with actual evidence and related cases in Saskatoon, Montreal, and Winnipeg. It is also widely suspected that it is still a practice in some communities.
clsec 4y ago
Probably getting rid of the alcoholics that they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not right, but cops are cops.
- shakezula 4y ago
  That's a complete non-sequitur. Assuming they're alcoholics is pretty racist and, even if they are, doesn't even begin to justify these actions by police.
  - cwillu 4y ago
    Of course it doesn't justify it. But it's absolutely the rationale they tell themselves.

username223 4y ago

I hesitate to post this, but Canada is in a lot of ways a museum of the American West. The first time I visited BC, I turned on public radio and heard a story about tailings ponds collapsing into rivers. The logging is beyond what you get used to in modern OR, WA, and MT. The boarding schools that tried to eradicate native languages in the 1900s were like the ones the States had a few decades earlier. It’s a hard land inhabited by a hard people.

cwillu 4y ago
TIL I'm hard people. (Doesn't everyone go for 4 hour walks in -40° to prove that they still can?)
ameixaseca 4y ago
Funny you said that. Slavery, for instance, was abolished in Canada ~30 years before the USA. I guess it can go both ways.

NateEag 4y ago

Do not miss the beautiful, heart-breaking song "Starlight" about the incidents: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9cGMJqwuQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9cGMJqwuQ

thrusong 4y ago

It's well known the Winnipeg Police Service did (and possibly still does) this.

Borrible 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears

thunkshift1 4y ago

Such nice people, the canadians

nivertech 4y ago

This partly explains the tough attitude of the government and the police towards the recent trucker protests. Coincidentally, Saskatoon is in Saskatchewan, which has the highest demand for truck drivers in Canada.

psyfi 4y ago

0 wars on terror has been started for these people