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This is what Putin just tried to do. Failed spectacularly. I'm honestly of better opinion of the CCP. Last time when they fucked up things that badly, was the G

This is what Putin just tried to do. Failed spectacularly. I'm honestly of better opinion of the CCP. Last time when they fucked up things that badly, was the Great Leap Forward and that was 65 years ago.

pharmakom 4y ago
And Russia is relatively self sufficient. No way could China follow this path.
- bipson 4y ago
  I don't think that's true anymore.
- paganel 4y ago
  They will definitely follow that path if China can depend on Russia for mineral resources, and at this point it seems like it can depend. You don't need to control the seaways to bring iron, coal, gas or oil from Siberia and the Russian Far East into China. Mongolia next door has some of the biggest copper mines in the world that has just opened. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyu_Tolgoi_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyu_Tolgoi_mine
- adrianN 4y ago
  How self sufficient is Russia? I heard that they have plenty of natural resources, but not enough engineering to exploit them effectively without importing the necessary technology.
  - christophilus 4y ago
    Sounds like China and Russia are a match made in heaven, then.
    - pharmakom 4y ago
      China also imports expertise at the high end. Real value that Russia can bring to table for China is wheat production.
- pjc50 4y ago
  Ir raw materials perhaps, but they can no longer build cars.
paganel 4y ago
> Failed spectacularly. Do people really still believe this? Look at the actual facts on the ground: land-bridge to Crimea, Luhansk 100% under Russian control, Donetsk most probably getting there, also some chunks of Kharkiv province, about 7 million Ukrainian refugees, Ukrainian's army potential drastically reduced (i.e. "demilitarisation" that seemed to have worked), how is all this "failing spectacularly"?
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  Originally there were many predictions about how Ukraine would fall in 2-3 weeks at most (Putin even said a few years ago he could take Kiev in 14 days). With respect to that goal it has been a miserable failure, but I think most people expect Russia to still 'win' at least in some sense even if not 100% of Ukraine.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  If it's working so great, why are 100s of thousands (maybe millions) of educated Russians leaving for other countries? Russia is now set up for long-time decline, with even worse demographics than it had before the war.
  - chii 4y ago
    People leaving russia is not an indication that they are definitely losing the war in ukraine. Russia may be in demographic decline - but there's still tonnes of time before that problem becomes insurmountable. The regime doesn't care about that anyway.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Ukrainian's army potential drastically reduced (i.e. "demilitarisation" that seemed to have worked) Ukraine’s army is being modernised by backers that eclipse Russia’s industrial capacity many times over. This is a war of attrition Russia is spending decades-old back catalog on to fuel a domestic narrative.
  - gpderetta 4y ago

pharmakom 4y ago

And Russia is relatively self sufficient. No way could China follow this path.

bipson 4y ago
I don't think that's true anymore.
paganel 4y ago
They will definitely follow that path if China can depend on Russia for mineral resources, and at this point it seems like it can depend. You don't need to control the seaways to bring iron, coal, gas or oil from Siberia and the Russian Far East into China. Mongolia next door has some of the biggest copper mines in the world that has just opened. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyu_Tolgoi_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyu_Tolgoi_mine
adrianN 4y ago
How self sufficient is Russia? I heard that they have plenty of natural resources, but not enough engineering to exploit them effectively without importing the necessary technology.
- christophilus 4y ago
  Sounds like China and Russia are a match made in heaven, then.
  - pharmakom 4y ago
    China also imports expertise at the high end. Real value that Russia can bring to table for China is wheat production.
pjc50 4y ago
Ir raw materials perhaps, but they can no longer build cars.

paganel 4y ago

> Failed spectacularly. Do people really still believe this? Look at the actual facts on the ground: land-bridge to Crimea, Luhansk 100% under Russian control, Donetsk most probably getting there, also some chunks of Kharkiv province, about 7 million Ukrainian refugees, Ukrainian's army potential drastically reduced (i.e. "demilitarisation" that seemed to have worked), how is all this "failing spectacularly"?

bigDinosaur 4y ago
Originally there were many predictions about how Ukraine would fall in 2-3 weeks at most (Putin even said a few years ago he could take Kiev in 14 days). With respect to that goal it has been a miserable failure, but I think most people expect Russia to still 'win' at least in some sense even if not 100% of Ukraine.
actionfromafar 4y ago
If it's working so great, why are 100s of thousands (maybe millions) of educated Russians leaving for other countries? Russia is now set up for long-time decline, with even worse demographics than it had before the war.
- chii 4y ago
  People leaving russia is not an indication that they are definitely losing the war in ukraine. Russia may be in demographic decline - but there's still tonnes of time before that problem becomes insurmountable. The regime doesn't care about that anyway.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Ukrainian's army potential drastically reduced (i.e. "demilitarisation" that seemed to have worked) Ukraine’s army is being modernised by backers that eclipse Russia’s industrial capacity many times over. This is a war of attrition Russia is spending decades-old back catalog on to fuel a domestic narrative.
- gpderetta 4y ago