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Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.
by unrealhoang 4y ago
Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.
- prmoustache 4y agoOnly if you are used to hiDPI in the first place.
- tssva 4y agoI have had laptops with hiDPI monitors in the past and currently have a laptop with a FHD screen. After having used both I consider a hiDPI monitor a waste of money and battery life for a 14" laptop.
- chrisseaton 4y agoI vaguely think my cheap college laptop display around 2006 was 1080 lines tall. How can it possibly be that some manufacturers haven't moved on since then?
- sshine 4y agoSome people don't care as much about DPI. I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide. People's eyesights vary. I need big letters anyways.
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- sph 4y agoThe point of HiDPI is not having really small text, is doubling the scaling so text looks smooth instead of a pixelated, blocky mess. I thought it was a gimmick in 2015 before I got my first MBP, these days I can't go back and have my eyes bleed on 96 dpi. You don't even need full Retina, my 27" 4K screen looks gorgeous at double scaling. >150 dpi monitors are the second best tech upgrade of this millennium after the SSD. Yet, there's still people these days that will try to convince you their 5400 rpm disk is fast enough, just because they have never experienced modern hardware.
- chrisseaton 4y agoResolution doesn’t change physical text size. They’re independent. It makes text at the same physical size more readable. Which sounds like what you want?
- lelanthran 4y ago> I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide. I'm shopping for ultawide right now, care to share the link of the monitor you got?
- Macha 4y agoCheap 2006 laptop? Would have been 768p at best, maybe even 600p. Even Apple would happily sell you an 800p macbook (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_(2006%E2%80%932012) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_(2006%E2%80%932012)) until 2012 and laptop GPUs of the era would struggle with a 1080p desktop.
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- driverdan 4y agoThere were a lot of higher res laptops in that time period. They weren't everywhere which is why most people don't know about them.
- Macha 4y agoThey weren't "cheap college laptops" though. Here's a 2006 laptop review roundup: https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/best-laptops-of-2006/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/best-laptops-of-2006/ There's a 4:3 1680x1050 laptop there (a $2k machine, described as "doesn't come cheap") and the macbook pro (also starting at $2k) was 1440x900.
- ptspts 4y agoI'm explicitly looking for laptops with full HD display resolution, not more. I prefer the crisp pixels of low-resolution bitmap fonts.
- sneak 4y agoThis seems to be a tradition in the linux-laptop world. "1080p ought to be enough for anyone!" Use a 13" 4k for a few weeks and try to go back. Actual high-dpi screens are where it's at.
- stonewareslord 4y agoWhat a tiring trope. I use a high resolution macbook for work and a 1366x768 13 inch laptop for personal use. Like OP, I greatly prefer the font blockiness the latter provides especially in terminals. And yes, I've tried smooth fonts and FixedSys/Less Perfect DOS-VGA on both and prefer blocky ones every time. High res screens love to use smoothing and subpixel rendering and I very much prefer none of it. Edit: point being if you switch to high res displays, you won't always like it more
- sneak 4y ago> High res screens love to use smoothing and subpixel rendering and I very much prefer none of it. Quite the opposite! These are hacks for low-res displays to make type look better. Sufficiently high resolution displays disable these because they are high resolution enough that your eye perceives a smooth line/edge already without having to resort to hacks to avoid stairsteps.
- Dylan16807 4y agoIf we're talking about actual smoothing, anti-aliasing, then that's not a hack, that's a necessity for non-bitmap fonts until you reach extreme resolutions. If you want your eye to perceive a stairstep as a smooth line you need to start talking about 16K screens.
- viraptor 4y agoI assure you it's enough to display text correctly in 1080p on 15" which is not considered hidpi. You may like hidpi, and that's fine. But let's keep shifting personal standards and what's practically usable straight.
- unrealhoang 4y agoThat’s just simply facts, you can read more here: https://tonsky.me/blog/monitors/ https://tonsky.me/blog/monitors/
- viraptor 4y agoIt may not be perfect and if I get my face close enough I can see the pixels, but that doesn't make it not correct. The text is displayed, I can read the letters without issues - that means they're displayed correctly. I'm using a different hidpi display as well, and don't really care for the difference. The link does discuss real issues, but does not prove anything about "text displayed correctly".
- rawoke083600 4y agoLamborghini cars are faster than most jeeps. Facts, does not mean its a overall better driving experience or that jeeps 'simply' are not driveable.
- kllrnohj 4y agoI like your reasoning here but lol at your specific examples. Nobody really considers Lambos or Jeeps as being particularly drivable. Lambos try to kill you and Jeeps rattle your brain.
- rawoke083600 4y agomeh your right ! At least about about Jeeps :p I have an old 2008 jeep rubicon. Its basically a nice red tractor with aircon and radio. BUT I feel like OptimusPrime(Transformers) everytime i get into my jeep to go buy groceries !
- hvis 4y agoI suppose they wouldn't be able to boast 14 hour long life with a better screen. Definitely agree, though.
- temac 4y agoDo Linux distros support hiDPI including mixed DPI (e.g. with a hiDPI laptop screen and a low DPI external one) well ? Under macOS this works really fine, under Windows this is half garbage.
- Bromeo 4y agoThis is solved well in Wayland, with X11 this is not as straight forward. Wayland comes with some other issues though.
- rawoke083600 4y agoIts Saturday and I got some fighting words leftover from the week/s Using solved and wayland i. the same sentence is just not right ! Source: nvidia+intel laptop owner. Wayland+Nvidia: Having it work sometimes under some conditions are not the same as solved. X11 is not flawless either but i feel it works more times under more conditions. Ok rant over, sorry for sounding like a d*k :)
- TingPing 4y agoNvidia is the issue. Maybe another year and they'll keep improving their driver.
- rawoke083600 4y agoTrue !
- jeroenhd 4y agoOpen sourcing part of the driver might definitely help other projects support Nvidia's terrible software better, though I haven't seen much about laptop support for those drivers. If the closed source crap is kept in sync, at least the system will be more stable.
- medo-bear 4y agofirst world problems
- rawoke083600 4y agoI think this is a personal preference rather than a 'it just can not do it' situation. Been programming for decades on 1080p and before 1080 on 1024. My eyesight is quite bad (-5.85) and i can see perfectly fine on 1080p. Sure 2k or 4k might be better. But thats true for 8k as well.
- sph 4y agoHDD -> SSD is an enormous difference. SSD -> NVMe, better but not so dramatic. 1080p -> 4K is an enormous difference. 4K -> 8K, better but not so dramatic. The rate of improvement is not linear.
- rawoke083600 4y agoNo one said it was. But for some people for some problems what they have is definitely good enough. Example: hdd to ssd (huge quantitative improvement if you measure speeds). As you rightly said. To my eyes(bad eyes) 1080p is enough, 4k might look slightly better but no way near in the same ballpark as hdd to ssd. Maybe its the fonts, workflow or fontsize i use but 4k fonts does not not x5 or x10 better than 1080p fonts. I absolutely sure there are ppl that, that is true for though. YMMV shrug
- sph 4y agoI have bad eyes but apparently not as bad as yours. Let's go ask a blind man if they prefer 1080p or 4K, that'll settle it. If you don't see the difference, it doesn't mean there's none.
- rawoke083600 4y agoHuh !? No one said 'the difference is not there'. I said the difference is not meaningful enough (for me and many other ppl, if i read the comments) and that stating that 1080p 'is simply a none starter' and it 'cannot' render text 'correctly' it not true. It can render it more correctly yes. To be really annoying even 8k wont render text 100% correctly since if there is a circle like section example 'p' or 'b' no pixel based device would be able to give a 'true rendition' of the symbol since you need basically infinite precision to correctly display a circle like concept on gridbased scheme(i.e pixel based display) Sure a 4k or 8k will approximate it better but(and this is really my point 4k or 8k wil be better(yes) but 1080p it sufficient for a good subset of ppl. Not really sure how the blind man helps either side of this discussion ?
- Macha 4y agoas someone who regularly uses a 1080p windows laptop and an 1800p MacBook pro, it's certainly not the requirement for me it appears to be for you. It's an improvement, but so is the matte finish on my windows display
- tjoff 4y agoIt's fine, I'd rather have 16:10 or even better 3:2 than hidpi.
- pmontra 4y agoI'm fine with my 15.6" 1080p screen. The reasons I'm not considering this laptop is the lack of 3 physical buttons on the touchpad. It's Linux after all. Left select text, middle paste, no need of ctrl-c and ctrl-v. It's much faster and I'm using it all the time. Btw, I disable touch to click because it tends to move the pointer and generate misclicks.
- tejohnso 4y agoI'm with you on the lack of physical buttons. That's a no go. For me the lack of pointing stick is also a no go. My first laptop over twenty years ago was a Toshiba with a pointing stick, and I've used Thinkpads ever since.
- divan 4y agoProbably 'correctly' is not the right word here. I often code for 12+ hours straight and the only way to keep up with such a stress on eyes is to use bigger fonts and not focus too much on text (i.e. engage in a slightly defocused vision). Which means I never use small fonts, though I see a lot of people who code on 13-15 inch screens with super tiny fonts. Naturally, once you have to use large fonts you end up using large screens (I'm currently on 49 inch ultra-wide Samsung 32:9 screen) and it's the best setup for coding I can imagine. Still when coding on a laptop, I sacrifice window splits and stuff like that but not the font size. So Macbook Pro resultion is even too high for me, and I'm quite happy with FullHD laptops as well.
- jwmoz 4y agoYou should take breaks.
- Dylan16807 4y agoYes but that doesn't change the argument very much. Even if breaks mitigate strain very well, I'd still want to minimize the strain in the first place, in the vast majority of situations.
- rajamaka 4y agoFrankly if you are often coding for 12 hours straight you have plenty more serious problems going on that monitor resolution and font size can fix.
- divan 4y agoIf you're picturing a teenager and/or workaholic unaware of life behind the monitor, it's not the case. But thank you for the concern :)
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- jacooper 4y agoI have a 24 1080P ultrawide, and its perfectly fine. So I think 15 with 1080p is going to be pretty good.
- driverdan 4y agoHave you tried a 24" screen that's higher res? You won't want to go back to 1080 after.
- jacooper 4y agoYou are probably correct, My main monitor is a cheap Ultrawide. However even if I used a 27 4K display, 15" with 1080p is almost the same sharpness as 27 4K. Its why I don't really see a need for higher than 1080p on mobile phones, can you even see the difference?
- lelanthran 4y ago> Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd. 1080 on a 14" screen is not, in any way, going to slow your work down compared to hiDPI on a 14". You're still going to display the same number of visual elements at 14", after all.