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My 2014 MacBook is no longer getting major updates. Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. I considered buying a

by mulmen 4y ago

My 2014 MacBook is no longer getting major updates. Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. I considered buying a new Mac with Apple silicon but the last three MacOS releases have been enormous regressions. At this point a Framework seems to make a lot more sense. I hated everything about the UX on Big Sur and they seem to have doubled down on their poor decisions. This news destroys the final bit of hope I had that they’d correct the MacOS path the way they did with MacBook hardware.

neurostimulant 4y ago
I actually just upgraded my late 2012 MBP to Monterey last week using OpenCore Legacy Patcher [1]. Everything works great so far. Your 2014 MBP should be supported as well. Made me wonder how part-time hobbyist with minimal resources can continue supporting old hardwares while a trillion dollar company cannot. [1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/START.html#how-do-i-get-started https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/START.htm...
saagarjha 4y ago
> Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. This seems like a bug they might actually fix? As opposed to the "bug" of showing you those at all, which is pretty annoying but unlikely to get looked at.
- mulmen 4y ago
  Or not because I’m on old hardware so who cares? The only bug is that clicking it doesn’t send me to apple.com to buy a new Mac.
  - sk0g 4y ago
    It may even be intentionally left in. Newer is better, and your PC can no longer run the new. Upgrade time!
plufz 4y ago
Enormous regressions? I could agree on “not great” but that was strong words. Haven’t really had a lot of trouble with the updates. I would say that macos 2014 and 2022 have a lot more in common than 2014 macos and current linux.
- callmeal 4y ago
  > Enormous regressions? Well I would consider hiding system traffic from firewalls to prevent tracing to be an enormous one, wouldn't you? https://www.obdev.at/support/littlesnitch/245914647368270 https://www.obdev.at/support/littlesnitch/245914647368270 Oh I almost forgot about the image scanning regression: https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/15/apple-removes-csam-detection-website/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/15/apple-removes-csam-detecti... And the ominously named "Gatekeeper" https://www.engadget.com/macos-slow-apps-launching-221445977.html https://www.engadget.com/macos-slow-apps-launching-221445977...
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    "UPDATE: This issue has been resolved in macOS Big Sur 11.2. Apple has removed this whitelist completely, allowing third-party firewalls like Little Snitch to reliably monitor and filter any network traffic." - the Little Snitch link
  - chefandy 4y ago
    A one-time certificate server slowdown two years ago and two deeply unpopular features that they scrapped?
- mulmen 4y ago
  Messages basically doesn’t work anymore. I had to disable Time Machine because of the thrash of indexing itself. The UI makes no sense anymore. They removed established shortcuts for… no reason? There’s some kind of pseudo-touch style going on. Like they plan to add a touch screen but didn’t. The iOS-ification continues. MacOS is a clear second class citizen at Apple. Each of the least three releases has been worse than the one before. I hoped it was the last gasp of Ive but it’s apparently intentional. Or maybe nobody is in charge, which would make more sense. At this point Linux looks like a better option.
pembrook 4y ago
The idea that someone would switch to the Windows (or linux) ecosystem because of some visual tweaks to MacOS settings is very amusing to me. For example, have you ever used the system settings panel in Windows? It’s the most confusing, horrible, and neglected part of the OS. For like 15 years they had mashed together settings panels from different versions of Windows without even bothering to make them visually consistent. Ditto for a lot of Linux distros. I think you’re overthinking it. MacOS has barely changed at all in last 20 years from a UI perspective compared to Windows. Upgrading from an 8 year old intel model to an M1/M2 model is going to feel like strapping on a jetpack.
- ksec 4y ago
  And that is the sad state of things, it isn't macOS ( old or new ) is perfect, but neither Windows or Linux Distro seems to be trying to compete.
- thesuitonym 4y ago
  > It’s the most confusing, horrible, and neglected part of the OS. The worst part is: It's not even neglected. It's been undergoing constant changes, and while they're mostly for the better, the constant stream of changes really highlights how poorly thought out it was in the first place, and makes finding anything an exercise in frustration.
  - taylodl 4y ago
    >> makes finding anything an exercise in frustration That's what I use Spotlight for. Years ago someone pointed that use of Spotlight out to me and I've been using it that way ever since. No longer have to pull up System Preferences and I can find any setting I need immediately.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  wow - pick a terrible choice because there is only one other choice that is worse.. really?
- Finnucane 4y ago
  I've been using Macs for nearly 30 years, and over the past few years, I've been switching to Linux, at leasat for personal stuff. At work, I sill try to avoid Windows (and the crappy work-issued Dell hardware). There's definitely a feeling that new Mac development from Apple is more a thing to dread than to look forward to.
bdlowery 4y ago
In what world is a 2 hour battery life laptop better than a laptop with a 20 hour battery and amazing performance? The OS is perfectly fine.
- abrouwers 4y ago
  Just to clarify, it seems that most people are getting much more than 2hr on their framework - are you referring to something else?
- mulmen 4y ago
  The world where I haven’t been on battery for more than an hour in years but I fight with the OS daily. Battery life is more a hardware concern than software anyway.
- djvdq 4y ago
  Is battery only thing that you think is better on Mac so you mentioned only this one thing? Lol. I'm really considering getting new Air with M2 but man, battery is one of the last things to compare. It's _nice_ to have long battery life but it definitely not killer feature by any means
  - Jcowell 4y ago
    If it’s a laptop battery life should be the first thing to compare. The ability to be anywhere and not worry about battery life seems like THE #1 most important aspect.
    - tambourine_man 4y ago
      It used to be, but these days laptops are the new desktops. Almost no one buys desktops anymore, even though they are obviously a better choice in many regards, including ergonomics, if the thing is to be strapped to a desk 100% of the time.
      - samatman 4y ago
blitzar 4y ago
> Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. I have this on my 11 inch Air from whenever it was - maybe I can get them for false advertising - because they are saying I can have some great new features if I click the button ...

by mulmen 4y ago

neurostimulant 4y ago

I actually just upgraded my late 2012 MBP to Monterey last week using OpenCore Legacy Patcher [1]. Everything works great so far. Your 2014 MBP should be supported as well. Made me wonder how part-time hobbyist with minimal resources can continue supporting old hardwares while a trillion dollar company cannot. [1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/START.html#how-do-i-get-started https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/START.htm...

saagarjha 4y ago

> Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. This seems like a bug they might actually fix? As opposed to the "bug" of showing you those at all, which is pretty annoying but unlikely to get looked at.

mulmen 4y ago
Or not because I’m on old hardware so who cares? The only bug is that clicking it doesn’t send me to apple.com to buy a new Mac.
- sk0g 4y ago
  It may even be intentionally left in. Newer is better, and your PC can no longer run the new. Upgrade time!

plufz 4y ago

Enormous regressions? I could agree on “not great” but that was strong words. Haven’t really had a lot of trouble with the updates. I would say that macos 2014 and 2022 have a lot more in common than 2014 macos and current linux.

callmeal 4y ago
> Enormous regressions? Well I would consider hiding system traffic from firewalls to prevent tracing to be an enormous one, wouldn't you? https://www.obdev.at/support/littlesnitch/245914647368270 https://www.obdev.at/support/littlesnitch/245914647368270 Oh I almost forgot about the image scanning regression: https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/15/apple-removes-csam-detection-website/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/15/apple-removes-csam-detecti... And the ominously named "Gatekeeper" https://www.engadget.com/macos-slow-apps-launching-221445977.html https://www.engadget.com/macos-slow-apps-launching-221445977...
- egypturnash 4y ago
  "UPDATE: This issue has been resolved in macOS Big Sur 11.2. Apple has removed this whitelist completely, allowing third-party firewalls like Little Snitch to reliably monitor and filter any network traffic." - the Little Snitch link
- chefandy 4y ago
  A one-time certificate server slowdown two years ago and two deeply unpopular features that they scrapped?
mulmen 4y ago
Messages basically doesn’t work anymore. I had to disable Time Machine because of the thrash of indexing itself. The UI makes no sense anymore. They removed established shortcuts for… no reason? There’s some kind of pseudo-touch style going on. Like they plan to add a touch screen but didn’t. The iOS-ification continues. MacOS is a clear second class citizen at Apple. Each of the least three releases has been worse than the one before. I hoped it was the last gasp of Ive but it’s apparently intentional. Or maybe nobody is in charge, which would make more sense. At this point Linux looks like a better option.

pembrook 4y ago

The idea that someone would switch to the Windows (or linux) ecosystem because of some visual tweaks to MacOS settings is very amusing to me. For example, have you ever used the system settings panel in Windows? It’s the most confusing, horrible, and neglected part of the OS. For like 15 years they had mashed together settings panels from different versions of Windows without even bothering to make them visually consistent. Ditto for a lot of Linux distros. I think you’re overthinking it. MacOS has barely changed at all in last 20 years from a UI perspective compared to Windows. Upgrading from an 8 year old intel model to an M1/M2 model is going to feel like strapping on a jetpack.

ksec 4y ago
And that is the sad state of things, it isn't macOS ( old or new ) is perfect, but neither Windows or Linux Distro seems to be trying to compete.
thesuitonym 4y ago
> It’s the most confusing, horrible, and neglected part of the OS. The worst part is: It's not even neglected. It's been undergoing constant changes, and while they're mostly for the better, the constant stream of changes really highlights how poorly thought out it was in the first place, and makes finding anything an exercise in frustration.
- taylodl 4y ago
  >> makes finding anything an exercise in frustration That's what I use Spotlight for. Years ago someone pointed that use of Spotlight out to me and I've been using it that way ever since. No longer have to pull up System Preferences and I can find any setting I need immediately.
mistrial9 4y ago
wow - pick a terrible choice because there is only one other choice that is worse.. really?
Finnucane 4y ago
I've been using Macs for nearly 30 years, and over the past few years, I've been switching to Linux, at leasat for personal stuff. At work, I sill try to avoid Windows (and the crappy work-issued Dell hardware). There's definitely a feeling that new Mac development from Apple is more a thing to dread than to look forward to.

bdlowery 4y ago

In what world is a 2 hour battery life laptop better than a laptop with a 20 hour battery and amazing performance? The OS is perfectly fine.

abrouwers 4y ago
Just to clarify, it seems that most people are getting much more than 2hr on their framework - are you referring to something else?
mulmen 4y ago
The world where I haven’t been on battery for more than an hour in years but I fight with the OS daily. Battery life is more a hardware concern than software anyway.
djvdq 4y ago
Is battery only thing that you think is better on Mac so you mentioned only this one thing? Lol. I'm really considering getting new Air with M2 but man, battery is one of the last things to compare. It's _nice_ to have long battery life but it definitely not killer feature by any means
- Jcowell 4y ago
  If it’s a laptop battery life should be the first thing to compare. The ability to be anywhere and not worry about battery life seems like THE #1 most important aspect.
  - tambourine_man 4y ago
    It used to be, but these days laptops are the new desktops. Almost no one buys desktops anymore, even though they are obviously a better choice in many regards, including ergonomics, if the thing is to be strapped to a desk 100% of the time.
    - samatman 4y ago

blitzar 4y ago

> Apple is still popping up ads for the latest MacOS, even though I can’t install it. I have this on my 11 inch Air from whenever it was - maybe I can get them for false advertising - because they are saying I can have some great new features if I click the button ...