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Windows 11 update accidentally brings the OS to older machines
- 1970-01-01 4y agoThe requirements are a joke. I've installed Win 11 on 15 year old hardware and it's been running for over a year without problems.
- lostlogin 4y ago> without problems Having just stumbled into it after a colleague upgraded a shared machine, the advertising situation on it is grim.
- 1970-01-01 4y agochoco install blackbird https://www.getblackbird.net/documentation/ https://www.getblackbird.net/documentation/ Use at your own risk! Not officially supported for 11.
- WithinReason 4y agoThey don't seem to do anything insane like blocking security updates, I might try it!
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- dev_daftly 4y agoThe requirements aren't for what can run Windows 11, but what they will support. I think it also allows them to drop solutions for spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities which had big performance impacts.
- rightbyte 4y agoYe "security" ... sure. If it boots there seem to be no checks that actually need the TPM. I guess TPM gives the oppurtunity for harder to tamper fingerprinting for ads or something.
- bitwize 4y agoDRM.
- fruzz 4y agoI understand that they have Reasons, but it sucks that my Core i3 laptop with 1TB SSD and 24GB RAM is deemed "too old" to run Windows 11 (by one CPU generation), when the current lineup of laptops at Best Buy have way worse specs.
- _ea1k 4y agoI noticed the same with an older i7 here. The requirements are nonsensical.
- LoveMortuus 4y agoI have i7-8700K but I'm using the legacy mode, meaning if I'd want to install Win11 I would have to format the entire computer, which for obvious reasons I'm unwilling to do. I think I'll probably be using Win10 for as long as I can and then switch to Linux. My laptops already run Linux (Debian :P) so I'm quite used to it. It still feels dumb not being able to just upgrade my computer to Win11... I'm running GTX 1080, CPU mentioned above, 16 GB of RAM... There really isn't any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to upgrade in such a way that I can keep all of my files... I'm guessing that Win10 will probably be sunset in about 5-10 years so I'm actually quite excited to see how far will Linux get by then!
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoI'm running Windows 11 on 11 year old hardware wihtout any TPM. I doubt you can't install it on your machine if you tried a clean install. The TPM things was mostly a showstopper if you upgraded from Windows 10 but easily bypassed via a clean install.
- pdenton 4y agoLinux always boots perfectly fine with TPM hardware support disabled, even when there actually is such a chip built in. The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already.
- neogodless 4y agoWindows 11 "accidentally" being installed on my computer is my worst nightmare. Really hope this "bug" doesn't make it to the public release channel.
- ridgered4 4y agoYeah, the TPM requirement is awful for it's own reasons but the silver lining for me was I could just make sure the TPM was disabled and not have to run defense like with the Windows 10 stealth upgrades. But of course, I knew that was to good to be true. That said, I only personally run Windows in VMs these days and I have them all set to seabios so I have a second defense.
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- shimonabi 4y agoI haven't seen a blue screen of death on Windows for a long time. But today my 1 year old Windows 10 laptop crashed during work hours and just the day before it also appeared on my coworker's desktop PC. The dump showed problems with DirectX graphics.
- muststopmyths 4y agoThat’s usually your video card driver. Try checking for updates or rollback there
- corrral 4y agoIME a machine with a discrete AMD or Nvidia graphics card will see, at best, 2x as many reliability-harming problems as one without. That even seemed to hold for Intel Macs. The ones with Intel graphics had way fewer problems.
- abcd_f 4y agoTPM is still clearly optional on Win 11. Microsoft is just pulling the same trick they did with normalizing the telemetry. First it was opt-in, then it became opt-out and then, when the complacency settled in and everyone got used to their machines leaking like rusted buckets, the trap closed shut and it became always-on. Same with the TPM, except the effect will be far more disasterous - a complete loss of admin control over your machine when it runs under Windows. Won’t happen in W11. Probably not in W12, but you will be locked out eventually. That’s their end goal. But for now the unwashed gray masses need to be made used to the TPM. Hence all this circus.
- BitwiseFool 4y agoRealistically, can anything be done from a regulation standpoint? I would love a law that requires those who sell operating systems to enable users to use their system without being forced to create a profile that registered them to an Apple/Microsoft/Google account and forces them to provide options to disable telemetry.
- moonchrome 4y agoThing is OS is becoming so much less relevant with the browsers and mobile - what's the end goal here ? Even without admin access they can't gate keep you like iOS can because iOS mandates the browser engine and won't let it become powerful enough to circumvent the app store - Microsoft can't ever really do that with Windows and with things like WASM and better APIs I suspect web is going to keep growing as an app platform. So what's the play behind this lockdown ?
- jrsj 4y agoProbably mainly to make it impossible to disable “telemetry” spyware or other invasive “features” like treating torrent clients as if they were malware etc.
- blibble 4y agoremote attestation is a big one netflix / online games / banking applications / ... will be able to check if your computer is tamperproof and will refuse to run if not you already see this on android with safetynet: https://developer.android.com/training/safetynet/attestation https://developer.android.com/training/safetynet/attestation the other one is they'll be able to gatekeep the applications running on Windows (again like mobile phones)
- jpalomaki 4y agoI assume the requirements are more geared towards OEMs. Microsoft trying to push them to improve low end machines. They are also making SSDs mandatory (for OEMs) in 2023 [1] [1] https://gadgets360.com/laptops/news/microsoft-windows-11-pc-makers-ssd-hdd-requirement-2023-report-3051565/amp https://gadgets360.com/laptops/news/microsoft-windows-11-pc-...
- FredPret 4y agoI’ve got a really beefy PC with Windows 10 on it. Apparently it “doesn’t meet the requirements” for Windows 11. Hopefully that means I’ll never be able to get it in an update. Due to Microsoft’s insane forced update policy, I’ve moved to an M1 and am de-Microsofting everything in my setup. It doesn’t feel like my computer anymore.
- nyanpasu64 4y agoM1 with SIP enabled (by default) isn't "your computer" either.
- FredPret 4y agoFair point, I didn't even know about SIP (new Mac user). As long as it behaves like a nice little thin client I'm happy.
- emptysongglass 4y agoIf you think Apple has your best interests at heart, I'd like to kindly direct you to what happens when they have total control — it's iOS. The duopoly doesn't want you to own your general purpose computing device.
- FredPret 4y agoBut it's now a thin client, the idea being that it logs into the beefy PC - running a Linux server
- dev_daftly 4y agoApple just announced that computers they were selling in 2019 will not be supported for their next macos update...
- r00fus 4y agoYou bury the lede - those 2019 computers are on a different processor architecture. As long as they keep security updates for Intel for a few years, I'm not terribly disturbed.
- madphilosopher 4y agoThere is a utility called InControl [1] that will manipulate some registry keys for you to pin your machine to a specific major version and feature update release. In other words, it can prevent automatic upgrades to a future Windows version. [1] https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
- Markoff 4y agoor you can just use company policy without any extra utility to disable the updates
- Havoc 4y agoSaw this live and assumed MS had just changed their mind on how important tpm is
- westcort 4y agoI have just about had it with Windows 11. After the promise that 10 was the final version, we now see that 11 us pure bloatware designed for planned obsolescence to sell more machines. Mint is already installed an another machine of mine, and I am running Office 365 with CrossOver. The only thing keeping me on Windows is a series of PowerShell programs I designed that help me get my work done. As soon as I get those ported to Linux, I will make the switch. Also, I am not sure if this was just my personal experience, but Office locally installed no longer worked after the update to 11, so I was forced to buy 365. It was a shakedown. If Microsoft thinks this is going to help with retention, they are sorely mistaken.
- Markoff 4y agoWhy do you use toxic online O365 and not older better Office, O19 was last decent Office not requiring internet, though even that went already way far.