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I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world lik

I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.

nerdponx 4y ago
American media I think is completely done with Covid reporting, realizing that they have exhausted the public's appetite for it. It's hard to avoid the temptation to blame the news media for the pseudo-populist dysfunction of the American political system at the moment.
- diogenescynic 4y ago
  They moved on to Ukraine and inflation.
  - cyberlurker 4y ago
    Are these not important issues? Although I will add inflation is exacerbated by belief in inflation, which can make over reporting a self-fulfilling prophecy. But there are other causes and I don't think it is over reported.
    - diogenescynic 4y ago
      >Are these not important issues? I didn't take any position at all and I wasn't judging. Just look at articles and what's covered more frequently on cable news. COVID is self-evidently lower priority at the moment to stock market volatility, inflation, Ukraine, abortion, mass shootings, etc. It's been 2+ years, people are burnt out of COVID--and I say this as someone who tested positive for it yesterday and is sitting in my spare bedroom to quarantine myself from my family.
FunnyBadger 4y ago
- rtpg 4y ago
  Eh? there's a story about it showing up every couple of days in the Washington Post, both news and opinion pieces. As the poster case for anti-"zero covid" stuff, it is being talked about a lot. Maybe it's not on the evening news in the US, but it's actually OK for every single thing about the world to be covered breathlessly for every single person on the planet every night.
- OwlsParlay 4y ago
  https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/05/14/shanghai-covid-restrictions-ac360-wang-pkg-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/05/14/shanghai-covid-r... Not exactly ignored. CNN has regular reports on China's Covid-19 response.
- koenvdb 4y ago
  Excuse you? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shanghai-covid-culver-intl-dst-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shangh... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-more-of-the-country-beyond-shanghai-beijing.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-m... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-end-covid-lockdown-and-return-to-normal-life-in-june-amid-economic-slowdown https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-en... The "MSM media" is not ignoring it. Btw, I had to google the term because I wasn't sure what you meant by MSM. It stands for Mainstream Media.
  - LoveMortuus 4y ago
    Oh... That makes more sense I still understand MSM (and MSN) as Microsoft Messenger...
  - edmcnulty101 4y ago
    I just went to CNN and NYTimes and ctrl+f for China, Nytimes has a single article about students protesting the lock down and CNN requires to go to a specific China section to view coverage. So it's apparently lower priority not front page news.
_fat_santa 4y ago
I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is almost crazier than the lockdown, group buys, crackdowns, the whole works. The most recent reports I've read is that the govt is cracking down on any "non-government" assistance, so if you are caught trying to acquire food outside of the government system, the police throw it all out (couldn't find news reports about this but there is plenty on TikTok). There are tons of other angles, if the government finds out one person in your complex has tested positive, everyone gets taken away to a "recovery center". Lots of videos of people absolutely loosing it, there was reports of a bunch of suicides at a local university, shit just gets crazier the more you read about it[1]. It's an entirely baffling situation, because zero-covid just isn't coming, it's now how this virus works anymore. Some outlets have tossed around the idea that another revolution will occur over this, and while that would be extreme, looking at the situation, I wouldn't rule it out. [1]: https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/nyu-prof-says-shanghai-campus-students-are-committing-suicide/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/nyu-prof-says-shanghai-campus-...
- Workaccount2 4y ago
  Damn, if only China was this strict about its lab safety.
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  - cyberlurker 4y ago
    1. This shouldn't be flagged, it is important that we discuss lab safety as it might be the cause of the pandemic. It might also not be and we will likely never know but it is still important to discuss. 2. Not just China, all countries have abysmal lab safety. This is the most important point. This is not a solely Chinese issue. The US and Eu countries also have lab safety issues and we've been lucky so far. Please stop flagging comments that raise it unless they are truly xenophobic, which this one doesn't seem to be. I agree, even if the comment was made as a joke. All this wasted effort on covid zero policy could have been directed towards locking down lab safety, shutting down unsanitary markets, and preventing other human/animal cross infections.
LinuxBender 4y ago
There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]
- RainaRelanah 4y ago
  laowhy86 has made a living for many years fearmongering the west about China. It's his entire channel. Same with SerpentZA and ADV China. I've watched a lot of their content and really can't take any of it at face value anymore.
- defen 4y ago
  Can you give us a quick summary for people who don't have 15 minutes to watch a video?
  - ryantgtg 4y ago
    I didn’t watch. But from what a coworker tells me, China has an unemployment problem and in order to control unrest caused by it they are forcing everyone to stay inside.
- harpersealtako 4y ago
  I'm...a good deal more anti-China than the average person, but from what I've seen of that channel it doesn't seem very credible. Most of their takes seem correct on the broader level (e.g. yes, China in the next few decades is on very shaky ground for a host of complicated reasons, and decision making is slowly getting less sane), but the specifics seem maximally sensational/fearmongering. The only thing I like of him is some of the discussion of Chinese internet counterculture, which is genuinely fascinating stuff (e.g. the levels of irony, euphemism, and meta-references people use to talk about banned topics and get around censorship is unreal).
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    It was weird how laowhy86 and Serpentza (a vlogger he collaborates with) transitioned, seemingly on a dime, from trashy "Are you a white guy who wants to date in China?" videos to "Evil CCP is coming for your kittens" videos.
sieabahlpark 4y ago
howmayiannoyyou 4y ago
If I were concerned about domestic inflation-driven social unrest and/or wanted to send a stern message to the Zhang Shanghai CCP faction about who is really in control of China... this would be one way of doing it, saving face behind Covid. It also provides a similar means of not following through on mutual defense commitments that may have existed between Russia and China.
RektBoy 4y ago
What do you expect from China? Oppression on multiple levels is basically their most used tool. I'm curious if Chinese people will fight back somehow, or like always turn their heads down like sheep.
- cyberlurker 4y ago
  You mean like Tiananmen Square? Also the west needs to stop ignoring the oppression for business. (Hollywood, NBA, etc.)
lostgame 4y ago
What absolutely messed me up - and I seriously mean, significant trigger warning if you look this up - was a Reddit video I saw of the collective screams and moans all the trapped people in the high rises…it’s seriously haunting, harrowing; and terrifying. I’ve had COVID; and it was certainly a significantly less hellish experience than what these poor folks are going through. :(

nerdponx 4y ago

American media I think is completely done with Covid reporting, realizing that they have exhausted the public's appetite for it. It's hard to avoid the temptation to blame the news media for the pseudo-populist dysfunction of the American political system at the moment.

diogenescynic 4y ago
They moved on to Ukraine and inflation.
- cyberlurker 4y ago
  Are these not important issues? Although I will add inflation is exacerbated by belief in inflation, which can make over reporting a self-fulfilling prophecy. But there are other causes and I don't think it is over reported.
  - diogenescynic 4y ago
    >Are these not important issues? I didn't take any position at all and I wasn't judging. Just look at articles and what's covered more frequently on cable news. COVID is self-evidently lower priority at the moment to stock market volatility, inflation, Ukraine, abortion, mass shootings, etc. It's been 2+ years, people are burnt out of COVID--and I say this as someone who tested positive for it yesterday and is sitting in my spare bedroom to quarantine myself from my family.

FunnyBadger 4y ago

rtpg 4y ago
Eh? there's a story about it showing up every couple of days in the Washington Post, both news and opinion pieces. As the poster case for anti-"zero covid" stuff, it is being talked about a lot. Maybe it's not on the evening news in the US, but it's actually OK for every single thing about the world to be covered breathlessly for every single person on the planet every night.
OwlsParlay 4y ago
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/05/14/shanghai-covid-restrictions-ac360-wang-pkg-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/05/14/shanghai-covid-r... Not exactly ignored. CNN has regular reports on China's Covid-19 response.
koenvdb 4y ago
Excuse you? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shanghai-covid-culver-intl-dst-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shangh... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-more-of-the-country-beyond-shanghai-beijing.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-m... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-end-covid-lockdown-and-return-to-normal-life-in-june-amid-economic-slowdown https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-en... The "MSM media" is not ignoring it. Btw, I had to google the term because I wasn't sure what you meant by MSM. It stands for Mainstream Media.
- LoveMortuus 4y ago
  Oh... That makes more sense I still understand MSM (and MSN) as Microsoft Messenger...
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
  I just went to CNN and NYTimes and ctrl+f for China, Nytimes has a single article about students protesting the lock down and CNN requires to go to a specific China section to view coverage. So it's apparently lower priority not front page news.

_fat_santa 4y ago

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is almost crazier than the lockdown, group buys, crackdowns, the whole works. The most recent reports I've read is that the govt is cracking down on any "non-government" assistance, so if you are caught trying to acquire food outside of the government system, the police throw it all out (couldn't find news reports about this but there is plenty on TikTok). There are tons of other angles, if the government finds out one person in your complex has tested positive, everyone gets taken away to a "recovery center". Lots of videos of people absolutely loosing it, there was reports of a bunch of suicides at a local university, shit just gets crazier the more you read about it[1]. It's an entirely baffling situation, because zero-covid just isn't coming, it's now how this virus works anymore. Some outlets have tossed around the idea that another revolution will occur over this, and while that would be extreme, looking at the situation, I wouldn't rule it out. [1]: https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/nyu-prof-says-shanghai-campus-students-are-committing-suicide/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/nyu-prof-says-shanghai-campus-...

Workaccount2 4y ago
Damn, if only China was this strict about its lab safety.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- cyberlurker 4y ago
  1. This shouldn't be flagged, it is important that we discuss lab safety as it might be the cause of the pandemic. It might also not be and we will likely never know but it is still important to discuss. 2. Not just China, all countries have abysmal lab safety. This is the most important point. This is not a solely Chinese issue. The US and Eu countries also have lab safety issues and we've been lucky so far. Please stop flagging comments that raise it unless they are truly xenophobic, which this one doesn't seem to be. I agree, even if the comment was made as a joke. All this wasted effort on covid zero policy could have been directed towards locking down lab safety, shutting down unsanitary markets, and preventing other human/animal cross infections.

LinuxBender 4y ago

There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]

RainaRelanah 4y ago
laowhy86 has made a living for many years fearmongering the west about China. It's his entire channel. Same with SerpentZA and ADV China. I've watched a lot of their content and really can't take any of it at face value anymore.
defen 4y ago
Can you give us a quick summary for people who don't have 15 minutes to watch a video?
- ryantgtg 4y ago
  I didn’t watch. But from what a coworker tells me, China has an unemployment problem and in order to control unrest caused by it they are forcing everyone to stay inside.
harpersealtako 4y ago
I'm...a good deal more anti-China than the average person, but from what I've seen of that channel it doesn't seem very credible. Most of their takes seem correct on the broader level (e.g. yes, China in the next few decades is on very shaky ground for a host of complicated reasons, and decision making is slowly getting less sane), but the specifics seem maximally sensational/fearmongering. The only thing I like of him is some of the discussion of Chinese internet counterculture, which is genuinely fascinating stuff (e.g. the levels of irony, euphemism, and meta-references people use to talk about banned topics and get around censorship is unreal).
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  It was weird how laowhy86 and Serpentza (a vlogger he collaborates with) transitioned, seemingly on a dime, from trashy "Are you a white guy who wants to date in China?" videos to "Evil CCP is coming for your kittens" videos.

sieabahlpark 4y ago

howmayiannoyyou 4y ago

If I were concerned about domestic inflation-driven social unrest and/or wanted to send a stern message to the Zhang Shanghai CCP faction about who is really in control of China... this would be one way of doing it, saving face behind Covid. It also provides a similar means of not following through on mutual defense commitments that may have existed between Russia and China.

RektBoy 4y ago

What do you expect from China? Oppression on multiple levels is basically their most used tool. I'm curious if Chinese people will fight back somehow, or like always turn their heads down like sheep.

cyberlurker 4y ago
You mean like Tiananmen Square? Also the west needs to stop ignoring the oppression for business. (Hollywood, NBA, etc.)

lostgame 4y ago

What absolutely messed me up - and I seriously mean, significant trigger warning if you look this up - was a Reddit video I saw of the collective screams and moans all the trapped people in the high rises…it’s seriously haunting, harrowing; and terrifying. I’ve had COVID; and it was certainly a significantly less hellish experience than what these poor folks are going through. :(