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Facebook’s Retirement Plan
- sharmavinu0024 4y agomay facebook will be looks like old age after few time.
- T3RMINATED 4y ago
- marban 4y agohttps://archive.ph/NfxkI https://archive.ph/NfxkI
- paulcole 4y ago> though these days his hoodies are bespoke Does anyone know if this is true or just eat-the-rich color commentary from the author? > Mark Zuckerberg, who still wears his college uniform of skinny jeans and hoodies I’m also having a hard time finding any photos of him in skinny jeans
- csmiller 4y agoI remember reading that he has them made by Brunello Cucinelli, but not sure. I know Bezos does.
- 0des 4y agoDon't let me be CEO of anything. I'd wear JNCO just to make the world have to acknowledge it.
- paulcole 4y agoGet rich enough and they’d start calling them bespoke skater jeans.
- 1123581321 4y agoBespoke means made just for you, not obscure or expensive. You can already buy custom denim. But yes, it would be funny. :) JNCO is already making a non-ironic comeback, so we might be closer to a CEO wearing them than we think.
- 0des 4y ago> JNCO is already making a non-ironic comeback, so we might be closer to a CEO wearing them than we think. Can we all, in this comment thread, form a pact to be as successful as possible so that some day we may make this happen?
- 0xbadcafebee 4y agoOr we could all just start wearing JNCO now, and one of us will eventually become successful, fulfilling The Prophecy of Big Pants On MSNBC (i was too poor for JNCOs so i got some 40x pants at a thrift store and a cheap belt)
- paulcole 4y agoYeah I was kidding because I'm pretty sure Zuck's hoodies aren't bespoke.
- brimble 4y agoWouldn't be that weird if they were. Perfect fit every time and any customizations he wants, for a relative cost that'd be indistinguishable from "free", considering how much money he has. Why not? If I could pay nickels per item and get bespoke-everything, I absolutely would.
- 1123581321 4y agoI think similarly, and I also can see how easily you could end up with bespoke stuff just from all your assistants trying to make you happy and having previous experience connecting their employers with tailors or fashion houses. Especially since the cost and convenience of measuring and selecting has decreased so much.
- oliveshell 4y agoEDIT: Wow, I have absolutely no idea what made me think this was a New Yorker article. I was apparently posting before fully awake. Sorry to anyone who was deeply confused as a result. Original comment preserved below for posterity: The New Yorker is pretty thorough about fact-checking their writers. In general, if you read a statement like “nowadays, x does y” in an article of theirs, it’s unlikely to be something that the author just made up to add color.
- BurningFrog 4y agoFact check: This is an Economist article.
- oliveshell 4y agoHaha wow, sorry. I must not have been awake. (The irony is not lost on me.)
- ojbyrne 4y agoIm confused. The post is from The Economist.
- oliveshell 4y agoApologies for the confusion, I goofed. Parent comment has been edited.
- rchaud 4y agoThe Economist is about the last place I'd see "eat the rich" commentary.
- JCM9 4y agoMark Zuckerberg used to rail on those older them him that they were duds that are out of touch. Quite ironically Mark is now the one turning into a dud that’s out of touch. The only reason to log into Facebook these days is to see what my grandparents are up to… seriously.
- loceng 4y agoArguably he's always been fairly out of touch. He fucked over the twins who hired him to build ConnectU - with the primary mechanism of growth of exclusivity via tapping into the social networks of each university requiring a university email to signup - Mark knowing full well, stating as much, that there don't need to be two platforms, and so purposefully leading on the twins that he was working on ConnectU while he instead of trying to launch TheFacebook beforehand; first-to-market advantage with sociopathy and a total lack of ethics. Ethically, morally, emotionally (empathy) - he's been pretty out of touch this whole time, not understanding the full breadth of consequences of his actions, and therefore not caring.
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- kranke155 4y agoHe’s a pretty good picture of a boring low-grade low empathy individual causing gigantic harm. People get confused by the popular media depictions - sociopaths are just people with very little empathy and virtually no remorse. People who do tremendous harm are not sadistic cruel people, they’re often just boring people who have no empathy for others and show very little remorse or none at all when lying or engaging in deception - which is why it’s hard to tell they’re even lying - they don’t show the tells of self doubt and remorse that we use to detect deception. As far as I know, Facebook has never innovated. It’s either bought or copied every single feature it’s ever implemented, with the exception of course of giant shameless data gathering on an industrial scale that has led to cognitive warfare being part of political battles in the West. And now of course a huge increase in depression and mental illness due to poor incentives on their social media platforms. If Facebook/Instagram was a physical product that you would take, that lets say reduces anxiety temporarily but increases depression in the long run, it would likely be banned. And of course they won’t fix anything because “reducing engagement” is a mortal sin for the company.
- marban 4y agoI'm literally seeing the same random guy just changed his profile picture notification as the top post for a week now (which takes up all screen real estate). Slightly less dynamic than my TikTok stream...
- hotpotamus 4y agoI get all kinds of weird "suggested for you" posts that seem like right-wing troll bait or just strange posts about semi-nude people. It's pretty clear it's trying to feed me some red meat for engagement, which is very off putting. I mean, that's been the game for years now, but it seems more blatant than it used to be.
- marban 4y agoInterestingly enough I've never seen any political or infuriating posts (Located in Europe, but ~80 US contacts) so it might be a localised problem.
- brewdad 4y agoMy suggested posts have been almost exclusively comics featuring really bad cat jokes. Occasionally, I'll see some third-rate tacticool product. I know it could be waaaaay worse but, really, a little variety would be nice.
- colechristensen 4y agoI enjoy how facebook/instagram can't quite figure out who I am and goes through moods between showing me $100k lab equipment, occult toiletries, and engagement rings.
- kylehotchkiss 4y agoSounds like your adblockers work! Meanwhile, in my household, Instagram and Youtube continue to show me ads for some product or restaurant I was just talking about, or for a store I just visited. I think my home needs a pi-hole.
- xnorswap 4y agoThere's a similar effect in meat-space too, I remember my (boomer) father telling me that when he moved for work in the 70's that he found he was able to meet people in the area via a society (some kind of rambling and general activity group) that was really good for meeting others in their early 20s. When he suggested I try the same group for meeting new people when I moved to my first job post-uni we looked up the society, but it was almost exclusively populated by people much closer to his age than mine. While the remit of the society hadn't changed, as people had got older they had never actually left the society to make space for the young, and so the group lost the ability to deliver on its promise. It's a natural effect and you can't really fight it, people will grow in places their parents aren't, and so they'll seek spaces where their parents aren't. Facebook has the luxury of generally being able to buy competition as it grows before it's too large to grow too big. Generally they'll still have the metrics and data to be able to spot new competition before it grows very large at all. Tik Tok is of course an exception, fueled by both a vast amount of inorganic early growth and being out of reach of an easy acquisition before it grew too large.
- pavlov 4y agoGreat example. I’d add that Facebook had the luxury of buying the competition. They even used to own a fairly popular mobile VPN provider just for the purpose of collecting data about which apps and services are on the rise. But that was five years ago. Now every move by Meta is under intense scrutiny by three regulators who love to assert their power: USA, EU and UK. Post-Brexit, the UK’s antitrust regulator wants to demonstrate its new independence. They blocked Facebook’s acquisition of Giphy even though the latter has no operations in Britain, on the theory that Giphy might eventually sell ads to UK businesses and thus become a competitor to Meta. Meta isn’t eager to risk another of these multi-year acquisition drama episodes. They’re all in on decades-long metaverse platform building, with organic growth at Instagram and WhatsApp hopefully tiding over until Zuck’s dream AR devices become feasible.
- lumost 4y agoI don't understand what meta is building. The tech to even conceive of building a metaverse is at least 10 years away. Not only do you need photorealistic graphics (just becoming feasible) but you need these graphics in 8k, on a mobile device with long battery life. The hardware to support this will run 20 pounds with a 500+ watt power draw. Beyond that, you need to ability for everyone to interact seamlessly over the internet in “fun” spaces that they enjoy hanging out in. This means next generation immersive haptics etc. I don't see much excitement for haptica in the wild. Then there is a whole crazy idea that users should be able to bring stuff across meracerse games/worlds and have it just work... I see this ending in 3-5 years with a major AAA studio making a billion dollar met averse experience that flops.
- iainmerrick 4y agoThere's a bit of a contradiction right in the first couple of paragraphs here: Abercrombie [...] became inseparably linked with Americans who came of age around the turn of the century. The price of being so closely associated with one generation was that the next wanted nothing to do with it. Facebook, which took off around the same time [and] which began as a way for oversexed Harvard undergraduates to rate each other’s looks, is now seen by youngsters “as a place for people in their 40s and 50s” Those aren't the same! In the Abercrombie case, the case being made here is that the same people are wearing it, but that cohort has naturally aged and younger people don't want to follow them. In Facebook's case, older people have joined the network over time -- the stereotypical aunts, uncles and grandparents on Facebook are late adopters, not the original users who have naturally aged. Edit to add: to put it another way, if you think of a 37-year-old techie like Zuckerberg, the social network that immediately comes to mind isn't Facebook, but Twitter. Twitter has plenty of problems, but "only my crazy uncle uses it" isn't one of them. Twitter isn't unfashionable because of all the old people on it, at least not to nearly the same degree as Facebook. Facebook's age demographic has changed beyond naturally ageing out, which might mean that it's possible it could change again in the other direction. I'm skeptical about that, but I don't think Abercrombie is a very good analogy. Fashion brands are famously cyclical; is the same true of social networks?
- theclansman 4y agoAbsolutely, parents joined the network and then kids had to flee to whatever was popular next, there's not much else to it.
- iainmerrick 4y agoA victim of its own success! Parents and grandparents joined because Facebook was easy to use and all their kids were on it.
- colechristensen 4y agoIt's not a victim of success, it's a victim of expansion greed. Before your aunt, grandma, and gradeschool cousin could join facebook, it was a place to be pretty open about having fun in college. That openness didn't work well with expanding the population to people who wanted to do what the cool college kids were doing because the college kids didn't want to share their weekend party plans nearly so much when grandma started to comment on them.
- LightG 4y agoMusic to my ears ...
- theclansman 4y agoIs there anyone left that doesn't think Zuckerberg is a villain?
- MrBlueIncognito 4y agoOutside the HN/tech-enthusiast bubble, yes. In my circle Instagram is the platform of choice. The majority is generally dismissive of Meta's privacy issues.
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- notacoward 4y agoExactly. Most people don't know or care. It's a perception most common among the incessantly online and/or political, rare elsewhere.
- granshaw 4y agoHis dogs?
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- OliverJones 4y agoHey Facebook. People are sick of sifting through the bs on your service. They're sick of going to the trouble of posting pictures of their puppies without knowing you'll show those pictures to their friends, if your algorithm decides something else might rile them up more effectively and so drive their engagement. So, I got an idea, Zuck! Move to the metaverse! Sell us expensive VR headsets tied to your services. That way we can go online and virtually harass each other in person (virtually). It'll be fun! It'll be bigger than Facebook! Go for it.
- delecti 4y ago> People are sick of sifting through the bs on your service I feel like facebook would be much more usable if I could do two simple things: hide all posts I'm only seeing because a friend commented on a thing I wouldn't otherwise see, and disable posts where a friend re-shared another post without adding or commenting on it. It wouldn't fix everything, but those two are by far the biggest source of low-signal crap. Though at this point it would probably be too little and too late.
- throw8383833jj 4y agoyou can carefully select who and who can't see your posts. there's a feature for that there already. and not just broad groups like "friends', "friend of friends", you can even select each individuals, i think.
- bmarquez 4y agoThat just sets the privacy level for the post, selecting if an individual is allowed to see a specific post. What the parent commenter is talking about is whether the Facebook newsfeed algorithm will even show that post to the people allowed to see it in the first place. Or will Facebook just hide that post from your friends in favor of ads, clickbait, etc. on their feeds.
- bogomipz 4y ago>"The film explores the firm’s obsession with employing a certain type of staff—handsome, chiselled, white—which led to damaging claims of racism and sexual harassment." It seems odd that they would have left out "shirtless" in that list of adjectives to describe Abercrombie and Fitch's obsession. There's a group called "Improv Everywhere" who once staged a funny event where they assembled 100 regular looking guys to descend on the Abercrombie store in SOHO in NYC while shirtless. They proceeded to shop for shirts and perhaps unsurprisingly they were kicked out the store. The video of this outing is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdeBp8J0rqs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdeBp8J0rqs
- worker767424 4y ago> Frances Haugen, a former Facebook executive, Wasn't she just a product manager?
- abeppu 4y agoI think there's a weird cognitive dissonance in how this shows up in their externally visible behavior. Their weird superbowl ad, for example, was simultaneously about getting the gang back together nostalgia for a down-and-out relic of a bygone era ... and the metaverse. It targeted an older generation who perhaps has drifted away from or lost track of the people that used to be important to them, and tries to sell a shared virtual reality. Is the hope really that boomers are going to lead the way into the metaverse?
- Animats 4y ago"Once-mighty sites like MySpace endure, like abandoned digital ruins." In many ways, Facebook is pulling a Myspace. User count goes down, so, to maintain revenue, ad content goes up. Repeat until it's all ads and few users.
- thetrb 4y agoThat's not true. User count is still going up.
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- mFixman 4y agoMaybe it's my 30s talking, but I can't help to be sad at the decline of Facebook the product: there simply was no better way to share photo albums with friends. Instagram only allows you 10 pictures per album, has no good auto-tagging, and has no good way to download pictures from the app (which causes deep-fried screenshot hell). None of my friends are in Flickr or whatever picture site is common these days. It's a pity that Facebook the company seems to have prioritised engagement so much over sanity.
- brianshaler 4y agoAs much as Google tends to wiff at anything social, I think Google Photos and iCloud are pretty strong players in album sharing.
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- gordon_freeman 4y ago+1 for Google Photos. So far at least Google has not messed up with the product and I have seen it getting better and smarter over the years in finding blurs, dupes, fixing light, showing pics to archive, searching by pic keywords, ability to easily share albums and pics etc. All in all a great product!
- Aloha 4y agoNot yet messed up the product. I dont trust them to not hose it up in the future.
- spicybright 4y agoIt's always going to be a never ending battle unless you self-host everything. Just gotta go to the best one and be willing to backup and switch services when it gets too bad.
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- sytelus 4y agoThis is typical no-information opinion piece. IMO, there is nothing wrong with only having "old" people on your social network. The 30+ age group is the one with cash and eyeballs to spare anyway. The 30- group change their apps like cloths, have little cash and has attention deficit. Which age group should you be focus on? The problem with FB is just their newsfeed algo. If I go to individual friends, they have lot of interesting posts but none of them show up in my newsfeed. Someone in that org ruined FB.
- sydthrowaway 4y agoFB Marketplace is dope though
- culopatin 4y agoDope as in full of scams of stolen profiles posting stuff in 30 different cities and not for shipping. Usually a Ford ranger for 1200 when the market is way above. Or a PS5 for MSRP. If eBay figured out a way of making both parties more at ease, to make local selling easier, and to make transactions less stressful it would take over that small quick sell market.