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For all the Free Speech posturing Musk has put out around twitter, it will be very interesting to see if @ElonsJet account gets banned.

thepasswordis 4y ago
The guy who made a bot to copy data from adsbexchange has almost half a million followers, and is a public figure. I wonder if he would enjoy getting harassed in the same way or not.
incomingpain 4y ago
Just because people are watching this and how newsworthy it would be, it won't happen.
- philipov 4y ago
  The public's memory is short, while spite's memory is long.
- sigmar 4y ago
  He talks a lot about crypto scams as one of the reasons he is buying twitter, I'm willing to put money that he tasks someone or a group to develop 'review' mechanisms for any account with the name 'elon' or 'musk'
  - trothamel 4y ago
    I suspect that it'll be for replies from accounts with substantially the same name and avatar as the original poster, and that it won't be just for him. And that's good, I think - a better investment direction than NFT avatars.
Fargoan 4y ago
The owner of the account is a stalker attempting to extort his victim. Why hasn't he been banned? If I were to make an account tracking a random person's movement I'd likely be banned. Why should it be treated differently when the stalking victim is a celebrity?
- oska 4y ago
  Just to play Devil's Advocate, the account is only tracking the movement of Elon's jet, not Elon himself. I don't know if you can consider that 'stalking' when, different to a private car, the movement of private planes is still somewhat public information.
  - Fargoan 4y ago
    I know this. If I were to track movements of a car around a city and call the account KarensCar and try and extort her in exchange for shutting down the account it wouldn't be any different than what this guy is doing to Musk.
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      Or if someone personally canceled the Tesla order of a Tesla critic which he has done at least once. For all his talk about free speech without limits he doesn't really practice it.
    - jf22 4y ago
      Is the Twitter user extorting Musk?
      - vntok 4y ago
        Indeed. > “I go like, Oh my gosh, Elon Musk just DM’d me: ‘Can you take this down? It’s a security risk,’” Mr. Sweeney said. “Then he offered me $5,000 to take it down and help him make it slightly harder for ‘crazy people to track me.’” [...] > Mr. Sweeney made a counteroffer to Mr. Musk, according to the screenshots of the exchange, saying that he would abandon the account if Mr. Musk upped the ante to $50,000. He said that he would also accept a Tesla Model 3, an electric car that costs more than $38,000, adding that he was joking. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-...
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mrtksn 4y ago
That particular incident is under intense spotlight, so it will probably not happen and if it happens it will change the course of free speech discussions. I'm psyched either way. Instead of a faceless organisation with a CEO who can justify anything as his duty to the shareholders, now we will have a directly responsible figure. If Musk fails to deliver on free speech, his persona will be on stake.
- JaimeThompson 4y ago
  > If Musk fails to deliver on free speech, his persona will be on stake. His past actions show he isn't a believer in free speech and that almost all his principles are transactional. An example of this transactional behavior is calling out Saudi Arabia for lack of free speech while owning twitter which is interesting because he didn't have much problem with SA when they held 4.x percent of Tesla a few years back. His beliefs appear to be built on a sand, not rock.
  - busymom0 4y ago
    Tesla is a car company, not a speech platform. Not sure why he should have a problems SA holding a % in Tesla? His comments were specifically targeted towards how their prince was opposing selling twitter without holding a vote from the shareholders.
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      I expect people who hold very public positions of specific rights to keep those positions and moral values in mind when making decisions every time they make such decisions, not just when it is best for them.
    - robonerd 4y ago
      Saudi Arabia's genocidal war in Yemen should be enough to make anybody ashamed for having anything to do with the autocratic KSA.
      - 4y ago
bko 4y ago
As somewhat of an aside, I think ElonsJet should be allowed to exist but I also think its a terrible thing to do and harassment. Do you not have a right to privacy if you're wealthy? Could I start tracking and broadcasting the whereabouts of someone in my office? How about [unpopular politician]? It's weird that people celebrate this invasion of privacy. He's still a human being. This was crystalized for me when I came across an article detailing what they found from dumpster diving through Mark Zuckerberg's garbage. I mean, really? https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/a-professional-trash-picker-dug-through-trash-bins-outside-mark-zuckerbergs-house-found-13-surprising-things-heres-list-and-why-he-did-it.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/a-professional-trash-pick...
- ce4 4y ago
  Thats information that is publicly available anyway - it's just that the presentation is nicer. ElonsJet can be replicated by anyone.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    And it should be if the original get's banned. Just waiting to get Nunes Cow back!
  - bko 4y ago
    Your license plate, address, and employer is likely publicly available. Doesn't mean I should broadcast it out.
    - esarbe 4y ago
      When you are moving in the public sphere - as Musk is doing - you lose certain rights to privacy that nobody John 'Random Person' Smith enjoys.
      - bko 4y ago
        So it would be okay to you to list the home address, movement and acquaintances of senators, congressmen, judges, etc? Who writes the rules about "public sphere"? If I donate to a cause that hopes to influence public policy, should I be doxxed? How much money? Does it depend on the cause I'm donating to?
hammock 4y ago
The Twitter board caved before that kid did
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pwdisswordfish9 4y ago
No, instead the person behind it will be doxxed.
smcl 4y ago
I honestly don't believe he thinks that deeply about it and doesn't see any contradiction over what he says about free speech and how he acts. If it wasn't for the negative PR it would receive, he wouldn't think twice about booting the account. I don't think he realises that everyone has their own line at which point someone's "free speech" becomes unacceptable to them and that everyone has an idea on what the consequences should be for crossing that line. It's just "me and my pals are alright, we're harmless and shouldn't be cancelled but the guys I don't like can take a hike"
biscoitinho 4y ago
Also, why offer the original creator $50k to remove the bot? If it gets removed, other developers will obviously create other ones - it's a public API, after all.
ergocoder 4y ago
It is easy to justify banning this kind of accounts. It is borderline stalking. Would you like it if there is a twitter account that tweets everywhere you visit? Elon can totally hire private investigators to follow the family members of a journalist just to prove that nobody would like this kind of accounts when they are the targets.

thepasswordis 4y ago

The guy who made a bot to copy data from adsbexchange has almost half a million followers, and is a public figure. I wonder if he would enjoy getting harassed in the same way or not.

incomingpain 4y ago

Just because people are watching this and how newsworthy it would be, it won't happen.

philipov 4y ago
The public's memory is short, while spite's memory is long.
sigmar 4y ago
He talks a lot about crypto scams as one of the reasons he is buying twitter, I'm willing to put money that he tasks someone or a group to develop 'review' mechanisms for any account with the name 'elon' or 'musk'
- trothamel 4y ago
  I suspect that it'll be for replies from accounts with substantially the same name and avatar as the original poster, and that it won't be just for him. And that's good, I think - a better investment direction than NFT avatars.

Fargoan 4y ago

The owner of the account is a stalker attempting to extort his victim. Why hasn't he been banned? If I were to make an account tracking a random person's movement I'd likely be banned. Why should it be treated differently when the stalking victim is a celebrity?

oska 4y ago
Just to play Devil's Advocate, the account is only tracking the movement of Elon's jet, not Elon himself. I don't know if you can consider that 'stalking' when, different to a private car, the movement of private planes is still somewhat public information.
- Fargoan 4y ago
  I know this. If I were to track movements of a car around a city and call the account KarensCar and try and extort her in exchange for shutting down the account it wouldn't be any different than what this guy is doing to Musk.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    Or if someone personally canceled the Tesla order of a Tesla critic which he has done at least once. For all his talk about free speech without limits he doesn't really practice it.
  - jf22 4y ago
    Is the Twitter user extorting Musk?
    - vntok 4y ago
      Indeed. > “I go like, Oh my gosh, Elon Musk just DM’d me: ‘Can you take this down? It’s a security risk,’” Mr. Sweeney said. “Then he offered me $5,000 to take it down and help him make it slightly harder for ‘crazy people to track me.’” [...] > Mr. Sweeney made a counteroffer to Mr. Musk, according to the screenshots of the exchange, saying that he would abandon the account if Mr. Musk upped the ante to $50,000. He said that he would also accept a Tesla Model 3, an electric car that costs more than $38,000, adding that he was joking. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/elon-musk-jet-...
      - deleted 4y ago

mrtksn 4y ago

That particular incident is under intense spotlight, so it will probably not happen and if it happens it will change the course of free speech discussions. I'm psyched either way. Instead of a faceless organisation with a CEO who can justify anything as his duty to the shareholders, now we will have a directly responsible figure. If Musk fails to deliver on free speech, his persona will be on stake.

JaimeThompson 4y ago
> If Musk fails to deliver on free speech, his persona will be on stake. His past actions show he isn't a believer in free speech and that almost all his principles are transactional. An example of this transactional behavior is calling out Saudi Arabia for lack of free speech while owning twitter which is interesting because he didn't have much problem with SA when they held 4.x percent of Tesla a few years back. His beliefs appear to be built on a sand, not rock.
- busymom0 4y ago
  Tesla is a car company, not a speech platform. Not sure why he should have a problems SA holding a % in Tesla? His comments were specifically targeted towards how their prince was opposing selling twitter without holding a vote from the shareholders.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    I expect people who hold very public positions of specific rights to keep those positions and moral values in mind when making decisions every time they make such decisions, not just when it is best for them.
  - robonerd 4y ago
    Saudi Arabia's genocidal war in Yemen should be enough to make anybody ashamed for having anything to do with the autocratic KSA.
    - 4y ago

bko 4y ago

As somewhat of an aside, I think ElonsJet should be allowed to exist but I also think its a terrible thing to do and harassment. Do you not have a right to privacy if you're wealthy? Could I start tracking and broadcasting the whereabouts of someone in my office? How about [unpopular politician]? It's weird that people celebrate this invasion of privacy. He's still a human being. This was crystalized for me when I came across an article detailing what they found from dumpster diving through Mark Zuckerberg's garbage. I mean, really? https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/a-professional-trash-picker-dug-through-trash-bins-outside-mark-zuckerbergs-house-found-13-surprising-things-heres-list-and-why-he-did-it.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/a-professional-trash-pick...

ce4 4y ago
Thats information that is publicly available anyway - it's just that the presentation is nicer. ElonsJet can be replicated by anyone.
- hef19898 4y ago
  And it should be if the original get's banned. Just waiting to get Nunes Cow back!
- bko 4y ago
  Your license plate, address, and employer is likely publicly available. Doesn't mean I should broadcast it out.
  - esarbe 4y ago
    When you are moving in the public sphere - as Musk is doing - you lose certain rights to privacy that nobody John 'Random Person' Smith enjoys.
    - bko 4y ago
      So it would be okay to you to list the home address, movement and acquaintances of senators, congressmen, judges, etc? Who writes the rules about "public sphere"? If I donate to a cause that hopes to influence public policy, should I be doxxed? How much money? Does it depend on the cause I'm donating to?

hammock 4y ago

The Twitter board caved before that kid did

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pwdisswordfish9 4y ago

No, instead the person behind it will be doxxed.

smcl 4y ago

I honestly don't believe he thinks that deeply about it and doesn't see any contradiction over what he says about free speech and how he acts. If it wasn't for the negative PR it would receive, he wouldn't think twice about booting the account. I don't think he realises that everyone has their own line at which point someone's "free speech" becomes unacceptable to them and that everyone has an idea on what the consequences should be for crossing that line. It's just "me and my pals are alright, we're harmless and shouldn't be cancelled but the guys I don't like can take a hike"

biscoitinho 4y ago

Also, why offer the original creator $50k to remove the bot? If it gets removed, other developers will obviously create other ones - it's a public API, after all.

ergocoder 4y ago

It is easy to justify banning this kind of accounts. It is borderline stalking. Would you like it if there is a twitter account that tweets everywhere you visit? Elon can totally hire private investigators to follow the family members of a journalist just to prove that nobody would like this kind of accounts when they are the targets.