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TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

434 points by yurivish 5y ago

wly_cdgr 5y ago
This the one that Nilin uses for remixing memories
Gravityloss 4y ago
I try to avoid 3.5 mm mini plugs in live performance equipment. I've had lots of problems with it. There's a reason why 6.3 mm normal plugs are standard. XLR is even better in many regards. I have never tried Mini XLR. I wonder if that could work. There could be a plug that was small and flat like angled "pancake" jack yet not shorting and shielded like XLR.
drcongo 5y ago
Stupidly expensive and I have absolutely no need for it, but just look how beautiful it is.
- tpmx 5y ago
  It's almost disgustingly expensive for what it is.
  - kamranjon 5y ago
    If it was a digital recorder similar to a tascam portastudio I could see it being really awesome as a sort of high end version of the standalone recording system but just an interface seems incredibly overpriced - you can buy compact interfaces already (they’ve been designed for video applications by zoom and tascam) that have quality preamps and great battery life which also function as recorders. It does look nice though. I hope they are able to scale up on their products so they become more affordable because I would really like to but their synth but I am not quite in the experience bracket to justify it but it seems really fun.
    - flats 5y ago
      Yeah, agreed that this I s an insane price point given that (unless I’m missing something) there’s only one preamp and it only works for an inline headphone mic.
  - drivers99 5y ago
    The way people are going on about the price I was expecting it to be a lot higher. It's about the price of a video card.
    - Gracana 5y ago
      Wouldn't you want to compare it to the prices of other mixers, not video cards?
      - bombcar 5y ago
        The Blendtec Pro Series is on sale and cheaper - only $800. https://www.blendtec.com/collections/professional-blenders/products/professional-800 https://www.blendtec.com/collections/professional-blenders/p... Oh, that kind of mixer.
    - speedgoose 5y ago
      It's cheaper than a boat too.
rpmisms 5y ago
Halo hardware, absolutely, but their design sense is utterly phenomenal. What a gorgeous piece of kit.
- crate_barre 5y ago
  Real life Winamp skin. I want one just because of how it looks.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  If I were ever to go back to the Wintel world (or whatever the word is for Windows+AMD), Teenage Engineering's computer is probably the only one my wife would allow in the house: https://teenage.engineering/products/computer-1 https://teenage.engineering/products/computer-1
  - MDGeist 5y ago
    I've only owned one Teenage product (the Megaman Pocket Operator) but now I really want the comp 1. Cool that they've expanded beyond synths!
  - MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
    It looks interesting, but for me it hasn't got the same "want!" factor their other products have. The T1 10L ITX case just launched, waiting for its arrival: https://formdworks.com/ https://formdworks.com/
    - gigaflop 5y ago
      I was looking at SFF cases, so I keep an eye open for lesser-known ones. I was willing to add another to the list of contenders, but I just don't get why that site asks for a password, and shows only one image of something that they're trying to sell. I get that it's limited-run stuff, but why would they hide information about their product? Visiting their website is pretty much worthless if they only sell in batches, and don't allow access between batches.
rileyphone 5y ago
Love Teenage Engineering, though I've never been able to justify buying something from them (especially not this!). Though I am looking forward to the Playdate [0], which they designed. [0] https://play.date/ https://play.date/
- zachruss92 5y ago
  I totally didn’t realize Teenage Engineering made the Playdate. I’m even more exited for it now. Early reviews say it’s quite fun.
  - srik 5y ago
    Me neither, but it makes total sense now.
  - WillPostForFood 5y ago
    Teenage Engineering designed the hardware for Panic Inc (the Mac software devs in Portland). Panic is the company actually making/selling it.
- wyldfire 5y ago
  Never heard of this before now but it looks really fun. Somehow I can't help thinking that just a dash of color might have made it more interesting. But it seems like it keeps things simple. $180 seems really steep for this but they have some kind of hipster edge here. I'm not even completely turned off for $180 for this lo-fi unit. Since it's called 'playdate' and since it looks kinda retro -- a cable to play head-to-head games like the original Nintendo GameBoy did would be pretty cool.
- WickyNilliams 5y ago
  Pocket operators are (relatively) cheap and a whole lot of fun! I have the po-33 which is a sampler. It's amazing how much you can do with it. One of those devices where the limitations force you to be creative. Can thoroughly recommend if you're in any way inclined. Their other pocket operators are more synthy, but I'm a hip hop head so naturally gravitated towards the sampler.
tinco 5y ago
I wonder why it's so expensive, I know it should be higher than regular consumers expect because it's a low volume high quality product, but so is the OP-1 and that seems to have a lot more manufacturing overhead. Wouldn't this product just contain a small signal processing FPGA, a bunch of ADC's and a couple DAC's? It's small but I think those should fit fine in that enclosure with a thick PCB. Anyone know if there's anything really special in there? Not hating if there isn't, the product is probably worth it to many people regardless, just wondering. edit: just to clear the easiest explanation, since it's even more niche than the OP-1 it needs that much more margin? If it sells 1/10th the quantity it needs 10x the margin maybe.
- tpmx 5y ago
  It's the mechanics that's expensive. The casing, the beautiful metal knurled knobs, all of the various parts made at very high quality in relatively low numbers.
- foobarian 5y ago
  Look how beautiful and well-designed it is. This is almost beyond Apple-level taste. I would throw money at this company if I had the inclination to get into this kind of hobby :-) edit: beyond just how it looks and the mechanical properties, I also wonder how much additional value they added during integration. Yes the BOM may sound trivial ("small signal processing FPGA, a bunch of ADC's and a couple DAC's") but IME it's easy to mess this up without a lot of extra attention. Example: my TV is plugged into a DAC which powers standing speakers, and every time I turn it on, there is a discontinuity that blasts a "pop" at maximum volume through the speakers regardless of volume level. Or you could end up with a line level hum if not shielded properly. Etc.
- bjt2n3904 5y ago
  Small run production with no expense spared of a designer product for niche applications. Expensive expensive expensive! That case looks like it was milled!
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tpmx 5y ago
Can anyone identify the manufacturer of the beautiful knurled knobs? I only know about Kilo International in Orem, Utah (http://www.kilointernational.com/ http://www.kilointernational.com/) in this space. They don't look like any of their standard parts.
- ruined 5y ago
  at that price, they could be custom. and looking at the geometry they could be made any place doing contract c&c.
  - tpmx 5y ago
    Yeah, that's probably the case. I guess that's part of their DNA - do the design first, without really thinking about what's already out there. (But with a firm view on what's possible to custom make.)
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- unwind 5y ago
  They state that they have "custom encoders", and in such marketing text that might well mean custom encoder knobs.
adwi 5y ago
"To keep the battery healthy, the unit should be charged at least every 6 months. if not used for a long time, it may not charge again." ... it may not charge again? Haven't heard this warning in consumer electronics before.
- kamranjon 5y ago
  It’s common for things with non-swappable batteries but companies might not be so explicit about the need for it. Have a higher end video camera that is same way, have to keep reminding myself to keep it charged up.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  https://superuser.com/questions/1517665/laptop-battery-not-charging-after-very-long-storage https://superuser.com/questions/1517665/laptop-battery-not-c... batteries that go through long periods of disuse often have problems, I would suppose that companies that do not mention this edge case aren't as conscientious as those that do.
PhilipTrauner 5y ago
Looks a bit like their cancelled take on Kanye West's stem player (https://imgur.com/a/ECehY1T https://imgur.com/a/ECehY1T), especially those faders on the front.
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  Definitely the design language but doesn't seem to carry over any of the functionality, just seems like a standard mixer.
12ian34 5y ago
I could really do with this, it seems that it would solve some problems, simplify my workflow AND mean I get to sell a couple of pieces of gear. I own an OP-1 and feel that it's worth the £850 I paid for it second hand but this TX-1 is over twice as much as I'd be prepared to pay. Shame given its design and feature-set. Maybe Behringer will put out a shitty £200 clone in a year or two ;)
- professoretc 5y ago
  Agreed on both features and the crazy price. I've been using a TC Helicon Blender to serve as a stereo mixer + AI.
ruined 5y ago
if i wanted a simple mixer and usb audio interface with fx send and i didn't want to spend a thousand dollars on it, what's the range of alternatives i've spent under $150 on every individual item in my kit so far and it feels silly to blow past that on a mixer.
- abxytg 5y ago
  you're paying 4 figures or you're getting a plastic piece of crap from $50 on amazon, and it just has line out not usb audio.
- P_I_Staker 5y ago
  Mackie, Zoom, and Allen & Heath have mixers for 300ish buck, with 10ish inputs and are fairly featurefull. I wouldn't count on the interface doing everything you dream of, even if it seems like it can based on specs. I owned the allen & heath, but traded it for the mackie one. It's okay, but there's a few annoyances. Keep in mind that the FX send will also require a return (may sound obvious, but it's not to everyone), therefore, it will consume an input; they basically never have a dedicated return (it's pretty much pointless). The FX send itself might not be really necessary, but I don't know enough to say for sure. I think they could just label it AUX, and that any auxiliary, or monitor send can work for FX... I'm not sure. I've used them before and the FX to monitor / sample.
- kamranjon 5y ago
  Not sure this tics all your boxes but in a similar form factor the zoom H6 seems to be something people really like (the h4n was kinda huge when it first came out) - https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h6-audio-recorder/ https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recor...
  - ruined 5y ago
    i've got an h4n, i played with it yesterday, but i am looking for something with faders and an auxiliary effects loop to mix synths for dawless jamming
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alias_neo 5y ago
I absolutely love their design language. I'll never have a need to own any of their products but I wish I could buy the gadgets I do need/want with this kind of design/style.
- internetvin 5y ago
  Yeah definitely feel the same way about wishing this design language and approach was applied to everyday tools and objects.
- sneak 5y ago
  Me too. They are aping the Rams look as well as Ive/Apple did at their best, and now Apple doesn't do it any longer.
  - andybak 5y ago
    > Rams look https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams
- dmd 5y ago
  I don't need to own my OP-1, but I'm glad I do. It makes me happy every time I look at it.
  - ketzo 5y ago
    The OP-1 is one of those products that makes me want to change my entire lifestyle and personality just so I could possibly justify owning it. It's just so neat.
    - tomcam 5y ago
      That is so shallow. Also, I feel exactly the same way.
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moron4hire 5y ago
I've come to expect Teenage Engineering's products to be expensive, but I have definitely underestimated them once again.
Aeolun 5y ago
I can’t think of a reason I would need this, but I still want it.
jasonjayr 5y ago
From the specs: > to keep the battery healthy, the unit should be charged at least every 6 months. if not used for a long time, it may not charge again. ..... why is that?
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  Batteries self-discharge. If they are fully discharged for a long time, they may get damaged irreversibly. This is the case with most battery chemistries and not specific to the TX-6.
kmeisthax 5y ago
Like most Teenage Engineering products, it's an absolutely amazing-looking, well-engineered product with a ton of functionality that does a thing I don't actually need for far more money than I can justify spending on it.
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- mellavora 5y ago
  So, Apple!
  - fastball 5y ago
    Eh, all my Apple devices do exactly what I need them to.
    - recursive 5y ago
      Lucky for you. Once I tried to copy a single audio file to my ipod without going through the whole itunes journey. Spoiler alert: In the end I just stopped using apple stuff.
      - post_break 5y ago
        I tried the same with a mini disc player. Knowing what a product does and how it does it is kind of key though.
        recursive 5y ago
        It worked before the firmware update through a Winamp plug in. But to your point I will be avoiding this product in the same way I avoid Apple products.
  - rchaud 5y ago
    Pre-Intel Apple, or back when you needed a Mac computer for your iPod to sync, because USB mass storage isn't elegant enough or whatever.
zasdffaa 5y ago
Top 3 rows seem to be dials/knobs to twiddle, is that right? They are so close together even that female model's hand looks like it would have trouble grasping one of them without forcing aside the knobs next to it. AKA they seem very cramped.
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pmags 5y ago
Small, portable mixers with lots of stereo inputs are relatively rare. That plus the Teenage Engineering "tax" (think Apple tax but for synth-heads) is driving the price. A cheaper, but slightly less tactile alternative is the 1010 Music Bluebox: https://1010music.com/product/bluebox https://1010music.com/product/bluebox
- elliotlarson 5y ago
  Yeah, I have a BlueBox and it works great. You can also add tactility with an external controller like: https://intech.studio https://intech.studio, and you're still in the ballpark of like half the price of the TE mixer. I mean, I still want one, though. LOL.
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- halfnhalf 5y ago
  Bluebox doesn’t have a digital interface and can only record to an sd card. USB is only for power :/
  - pmags 5y ago
    Indeed I do occasionally wish the bluebox also acted as an interface, but I also really like the fact that the Bluebox is a stand alone recorder (unlike the TX-6). I often don't want to be sitting in front of a computer when I'm jamming and making music. There are two USB interfaces on the bluebox -- one for power, the other USB midi devices.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  Most synth heads I know don't like teenage engineering and see them as overpriced underengineered nerd tech. I own an op-z and used to own some pocket operators. They will be the last teenage engineering products I own. Everything they release seems more ridiculous all the time. Just the ob-4 is enough for me to say "these are not products for synth people but tech nerds who want synths"
kennywinker 5y ago
For everyone drooling over the design of this, here’s a fun little form-over-function tidbit from the fine print: > high quality, slimline cables custom-made for TX–6. the narrow profile allows you to use all 6 channels at once and makes for an easy pack down. Sounds like the input jacks are so close together not every 3.5mm audio cable will work with it. Like a phone without a headphone jack - bring a special adaptor or no sounds for you. Lol
- postexitus 5y ago
  yes, but you can use non-adjascent ports with standard 3.5mm audio cables - if you are that bothered, assume it's a 3 channel board with an option to upgrade to 6 if you buy the special cables.
  - kennywinker 5y ago
    Did you just “You’re holding it wrong” me? :) They could have brilliantly designed their way out of that by making the whole thing ~1.5cm wider (3mm extra five times). A zoom h6 is a well designed portable battery powered mixer / audio interface with 4 easily accessible inputs and two that might need an adaptor depending on your cabling. It also comes with two high quality microphones, and records without being tethered to another device. For $409
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  - azornathogron 5y ago
    3 channels for the price of 6 is still a terrible deal.
    - aidenn0 5y ago
      It's Teenage Engineering, so more like the price of 8 or 12. Also, no balanced inputs.
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incanus77 5y ago
Once, just once, I would like to see someone say “why is this so expensive, it’s just […]” and then build one themselves, and bring it to market, for that lower cost. Go ahead, just try.
- sanderjd 5y ago
  Don't people do that all the time and sometimes fail and sometimes succeed? Isn't this why we have competitive products and competing price points for most things?
- nathanvanfleet 5y ago
  Not really a valid argument. Plenty of similar products out there with more competitive prices. "Make this complex product yourself" is the equivalent argument as "if you don't like something with your country just leave." People can complain that something is expensive.
  - alfalfasprout 5y ago
    This is a ridiculous equivalence. If you live in a country you don't have a choice but be subject to its laws, politics, etc. You'd have to leave. No one is forcing you to buy this product.
- aikinai 5y ago
  That’s how Anker got started I believe.
  - arkades 5y ago
    My understanding is that anker got started with standard white labed alibaba type goods, but differentiated themselves with good curation, meaning you actually got something decent at a low price
- squarefoot 5y ago
  No need to try as it already exists: Any Linux tablet with Reaper and a couple soft synths and a decent external sound card if needed would do a lot more for a lot less. A good portion of the cost of this device could be justified only if it really had motorized knobs and faders, which are shown in the video but not mentioned among the features; that would be a completely unnecessary gimmick (in such a device) which however would impact a lot on the cost. Portable music devices aren't that expensive these days. Take a look at what SunVox can do on old hardware, or maybe the Polyend Tracker, which is a hardware solution that costs less than half of the tx-6 and doesn't kill the eyes on a toy display. https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ https://polyend.com/tracker/ https://polyend.com/tracker/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQufJBVvAtY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQufJBVvAtY
speed_spread 5y ago
Nowhere near as Wired-friendly as this, but as portable mixers go, Zoom's Livetrak series is where it's at IMHO.
- arkad 5y ago
  +1 for that. Especially Zoom LiveTrak L-8 has nice pack of features for its size (nowhere as portable as TX-6, but still) and is also battery powered.
womitt 5y ago
I like intech.studio'a approach better
- 9999 5y ago
  Didn't know about this company and glad to learn about them! I was actually looking for something exactly like their PO16 recently and had some PCBs and panels fabbed to make my own (17 pots for the build I found on lines).
duped 5y ago
What bothers me is that I would absolutely buy this if it was bigger and had 1/4" balanced or stereo TRRS inputs, I actually have a variety of input sources in my home office that gets dual use for work, gaming, and music. But to use this I would need to go XLR to 3.5mm (and no phantom power?) for my voice and amp mics, main out to a Y split 1/4 TRS for speakers, and 1/4" to 3.5mm for a synth. So my desk would be littered with annoying adaptors just to slim down the inputs to fit in those teeny jacks. A built in channel strip that I can keep setup for my mic (gate, compressor, EQ), plus a metronome for practicing, easy connectivity to my tablet to record myself a bit? Absolutely worth it. The synth part is a little dumb, but it's TE.
- tayistay 5y ago
  The TX-6 is aimed at people who own the other TE stuff which is 3.5mm. If you're looking for a solid audio interface, consider RME or Apogee.
  - duped 5y ago
    I have an RME actually, but the Apogee stuff has poor support for anyone not using a Mac.
  - eweise 5y ago
    My apogee duet sucked. Always had problems being recognized by logic and eventually they stopped providing updates to the software. Got a Motu M4 which is much cheaper and has been worlds better.
    - jcpst 5y ago
      That sucks. I had the opposite experience, for those curious. I still have my firewire duet, I’ve been using over 10 years. Works great. It is unfortunate they stopped updating the software. My 2010 mac mini is running OS 10.11, and it works.
- robotresearcher 5y ago
  There are lots of desktop mixers with regular-size connectors available, some with audio interfaces and effects. This one is super small and based on mini jacks - that's its differentiator. Main difference from the similar-space BlueBox seems to be having little faders instead of a touchscreen. And it's twice the price. Design looks nice, hard to evaluate the usability from pictures. Menu diving on little screens can be rough.
nimbius 5y ago
my biggest axe to grind with this company is the outrageous pricetag for everything they sell. With $100 bags, $700 mini boom boxes, and $15 patches You may as well call it Affluent Engineering.
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- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  This might sound weird but I think the audience they're targeting the high price is part of the enjoyment. There is a weight, status and a value to an expensive item. I work in hardware so understand the costs involved but I also think the high price is beneficial to them from a brand perspective. Brand-wise the amount of buzz they generate from relatively niche products is impressive.
n42 5y ago
am I missing something, or is that a giant paddle power switch that can/will be accidentally pushed downward to off while working? edit: nope, that's exactly what that is. $1,200 for a mixer you can't use live without duct taping it, I guess. https://teenage.engineering/guides/tx-6#power-on https://teenage.engineering/guides/tx-6#power-on
- tomtheelder 5y ago
  If you wanted to go with that design then surely down for on would make more sense, right? Odd choice.
  - n42 5y ago
    Hopefully it’s quite a firm switch
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Regardless it should have been a recessed slide.
- TheRealPomax 5y ago
  Why would you use this live at all? You already have a proper mixer set up in those situations.
  - n42 5y ago
    well, I wouldn’t, because it has a switch that can be easily thrown and it costs way too much for what it does. so I don’t understand its market. but if it weren’t for those reasons not to use it, then I might for the same reason I would use a 1010 bluebox or any other similar minimalist mixer. size, weight, utility. something like this would be useful for a submix of 1/8” gear. just look into the types of musicians who love the 1010 boxes
  - boomlinde 4y ago
    For electronic music performances it's common to bring your own portable desktop mixer(s). Then you pull the stereo output from that into the PA mixer. PA guy does very little during the performance. If you don't have a lot of gear (which is increasingly the case because of more integrated music tools) you only need a small mixer for this purpose. If you have a lot of gear you may want small sub-mixers.
resters 5y ago
I'm just happy that there are people who can work for Teenage Engineering building cool things like this. I own a pocket operator and love seeing the bare board and imagining how fun it must have been to build and design it.
jacquesm 5y ago
That looks like it was made by Braun. Gorgeous but very pricey.
jeffbee 5y ago
I guess I'm alone in my preference for the design of e.g. the Sony DMX-P01 or the Zoom F8n. Maybe it's because I'm from the past.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  I hope you don't feel bad for not vibing with Teenage Engineering's design choices. I personally really like the Dieter Rams-ian aesthetic, but this is a product for people with more money than sense.
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    Now that you mention it this does somehow invoke the visual aesthetic of the World Receiver. I wonder if that is intentional. For me a portable audio device with this many knobs should also be covered in writing and scales, like a Nagra IV.
grobibi 5y ago
48khz max in 2022. The converters must be where they skimped. You can get a proper RME unit at that price. It looks cute though.
- csnti 5y ago
  I was thinking the same thing, RME makes the best equipment for pro audio, it's not even a comparison. Still, I wouldn't mind having a TX-6 (it looks fun), it's just overpriced imo. No way am I dropping $1200 on that. lol
vikingcaffiene 5y ago
I have an OP-1 and love it. Its a mainstay in my recording and live performances and honestly my "main" synth despite it looking like a toy. I keep finding new uses for it. Example: I needed backup vocals for a part and none of my bandmates could do it. I sampled the backup vocals and just play them while I sing lead in that spot. Really cool. As for this mixer, I would love this bit of gear but I just can't justify spending that kind of scratch for what essentially amounts to a mini mixer (which I already have). It seems really great though and it being battery powered and tactile like that is great.
smoldesu 5y ago
Hoo boy, Teenage Engineering is starting to get on my nerves. This is a neat piece of kit, but the specs on it pretty much relegate it to the "toy" category of their lineup. You're telling me people are going to use this 48kHz dongle as a portable DAC? You probably have a better output on your laptop. Pretty absurd. This thing is pretty much a physical iPhone app... that costs more than an iPhone. What really pisses me off about this is the price. Yes, please dogpile me about how "specialty hardware like this doesn't exist", that totally excuses this thing's existence! Seriously though, you can buy a brand new Octatrack for this price (actual professional equipment). But if this thing isn't competing with the OT, what's it's purpose? Being a digital multitrack recorder? Feeling nice in your pocket? Just being smaller than it's competitors no matter the expense? The more I look at this thing, the more it annoys me. Teenage Engineering has always been about shipping hipster audio products, but even their older stuff was fairly passable. As much as I despise the OP-1 (even moreso after it's price hike), it had a lot of cool ideas in it. It was an obvious labor of love. I can't make heads or tails of this TX-6. I genuinely don't know who would buy this. In my head, I'm watching bourgeoisie college students walking around San Francisco to make lo-fi hip hop from found sounds with this thing. That's it. I can't see anyone using this in a professional setting. The OP-Z is an actual joke in the pro audio community, but I've still seen people use it at shows. The Pocket Operator is little more than a cheap toy, but people have fun sketching rhythms on them and even using the later models as super lo-fi samplers. This is... nothing. I truly and honestly don't understand it.
- makz 5y ago
  My thoughts almost exactly. The thing is beautiful but useless.
- lancesells 5y ago
  Try to think of it in the same context as a watch. There are price ranges from $10 to probably $1M+. They all have a function of tell you the time. Price is a silly thing to be upset about it unless you truly needed it to live (which no one does).
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formerkrogemp 5y ago
Is there a geriatric engineering company?
seshu_ 5y ago
Oh, I just heard of this company and thought to myself that why are music instruments so expensive, but after reading the comments I have realised it's the Apple of it's kind.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  Spot on. Their target is rich people who like sleek "different" design and are willing to pay a big premium for that.
Animats 5y ago
It's an elegant little box. Some of those pictures seem to be renders, though. It doesn't really have motorized sliders. Apple used to have a "no cables in ads" thing.[1] TE is copying that. In use, this box has a lot of cables going in, so it will look like a mess. So they never show it in use. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chicnotgeek.jpg https://www.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chicnot...
vvvzxd 5y ago
can someone explain to me why their gear is so expensive? i have a lot of synths and have been collecting them for a long time, and I have no idea why the OP1 should cost 1000 dollars. it really just seems like a toy, do professionals actually use them?
- Jackim 5y ago
  professionals absolutely use the OP-1. Deadmau5, Kevin Parker of Tame Impala, Skrillex, Thom Yorke and many more.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  You have to pick a price for high end low volume products and that price often ends up containing a whole lot of development and overhead costs. You can cut corners with development and materials and lose the high end to try for volume, you can try to get your thing very popular, or you can just stick to high prices. High prices tends to get you a better customer base and a sense of exclusivity which drives sales.
- WickyNilliams 5y ago
  Take a look at Red Means Recording on YouTube for what the OP-1 is capable of. Very cool piece of hardware
cadr 5y ago
I saw "from $199" and thought this looked like an incredible deal. Then realized it was just how the font was rendered, and it was actually "$1199". I'm not quite sure who the market for this is - that is crazy.
- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  Wow, you're not kidding.
  - tmountain 5y ago
    Especially with the Focusrite Scarlett Solo is obtainable for $119.
    - fredoliveira 5y ago
      But the Solo is also nowhere near this in terms of functionality, so I'm not sure this is a great comparison.
      - javajosh 5y ago
        Here's a better comparison: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG10XU--yamaha-mg10xu-10-channel-mixer-with-usb-and-fx https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG10XU--yamaha-mg10x... "10-channel Analog Mixer with 4 Microphone Preamps, 3 Dedicated Stereo Line Channels, 1 Aux Send, EQ, 1-knob Compressors, and Digital Effects" $230. It's bigger and needs to plug into a wall. But TBH I can't think of an application for a battery powered mixer.
- TheRealPomax 5y ago
  Every musician who has enough income to have their own production studio and likes to play with small batch gear. Because this is extremely small batch, good luck getting any Teenage Engineering products new one or two years after release. A product like this is effectively filling a niche inside a niche, and either you just don't even bother, or you charge what it costs to get your R&D back.
gorkish 5y ago
God this thing is gonna look and work so much worse with 10 cables hanging out of it. Probably isn't even heavy enough to stay in one place against all of that mess, but yeah there's about a million times I can recall where having such a thing in the bag would have saved someone's bacon. I do also expect to see plenty of hipsters unnecessarily self-flagellating themselves with it, per TE tradition.
H1Supreme 5y ago
Price aside, what is the use case for this? Bands or electronic live sets will already be bringing a bunch of gear (with 1/4" connections, almost universally) to a show. The size of their 6 channel mixer will not really come into play when you consider guitars, amps, synths, etc. So, who is this for? People using iPads and iPhones that need the smallest possible mixer? The audio interface aspect is available in many other mixers already. So, that's not a unique feature.
- cestith 5y ago
  I would say it's handy for a jam bag or gig bag when a show suddenly happens, or as a backup when you need additional channels because part of your board failed,, or maybe you were counting on the venue's board and it has too few features or inputs. I would say that, if it was $600 and not $1200. This might be handy for the Youtube buskers and such who are trying to minimize equipment size to stay very mobile. My mixer is old, used, and not palm-sized but I just twiddle around at home. I've not released a track to friends and family for years, let alone performed a gig or sold anything on streaming services. So for someone like me this is a really cool toy to look at but well beyond an impulse buy.
adamrezich 5y ago
slightly off-topic but I often listen to podcasts while playing video games and I've long wanted a simple device—ideally battery-powered and portable but I'll take what I can get—that takes two audio inputs and produces one audio output, allowing me to crossfade between the two as needed, so I can mix between two audio sources on the fly. does something like this exist, and if so, how expensive is it? I haven't been able to find anything.
- vvvzxd 5y ago
  2 channel audio mixer, pretty much one of the most common devices out there
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    interesting, I was looking on Amazon like a year ago and couldn't find anything like that, but now I see there's several <$50 devices just like that! thanks
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  The Gnome 202 is surprisingly decent, very low noise. Its portable if attached to a power bank. https://www.steinigke.de/de/mpn10006880-omnitronic-gnome-202-mini-mixer-schwarz.html https://www.steinigke.de/de/mpn10006880-omnitronic-gnome-202...
IAmPym 5y ago
"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. For people that rely on their tools to be creative or appreciate design. You are paying a premium. See Apple for lots of examples. This is also one of the biggest strengths of the company, if you want something cheap you're looking in the wrong place. Complex - the amount of balance of various components here adds a lot to the design and development costs. Battery is an unusual feature but puts it in a different product category. Balancing that with the audio quality and reliability is not a trivial problem. Add in wireless, audio drivers (not trivial at ALL), Complexity increases development time and adds risk to the long term stability of the product, that is added into the cost. Most of the small features feel like somebody there thought it would be fun and/or easy to put in. It's a good way to iterate through design ideas, you have to see it in reality. That type of prototyping isn't easy. Most people don't use 90% of the features but when you are in a creative industry the 1% that does absolutely LOVES it and uses it in ways you never expected. It's difficult to balance the amount of development you put into fun things vs. business cases. If you are trying to figure out why you'd pay for this you aren't their target market. It's far more interesting (to me) to think about why some people WOULD pay for this and what a market looks like that you are not a part of
- lamp_book 5y ago
  > doesn't break Can get behind the rest of your comment but I don't think anyone's ever accused TE of making durable products. To their credit though, they replaced my broken PO without a fuss, so I'm not a detractor.
  - IAmPym 5y ago
    I have used TE products on occasion and looked into them deeply from a bunch of engineering perspectives. Compared to other products in a similar price point and form factor the likelihood of a problem is far lower. When you reduce the size you eliminate structural components and if you can't mill aluminum you're left with a lot of difficult choices to make to keep things stable. TE does a good job of balancing those things. Customer service is where you see the end result of this. Replacing things quickly and easily means they aren't struggling to support bad design decisions in terms of stability.
simonjgreen 5y ago
Me looking at the new Teenage Engineering TX-6: "Mmmhmmm, yep, yep, like, yep, that's beautiful, I think I'll probably... OH MY GOD HOW MUCH"
FerociousTimes 5y ago
This device has Dieter Rams' fingerprints all over it.
mmastrac 5y ago
I bought an OP-1 a few years back and it's done nothing but go up in value
wodenokoto 5y ago
Off-topic, but I noticed they have their Bluetooth speaker in "off-white" - that is, bright orange. I thought that was pretty funny. https://teenage.engineering/store/ob-4-off-white-set/ https://teenage.engineering/store/ob-4-off-white-set/
- tern 5y ago
  Off-White[1] is a fashion brand started by the late Virgil Abloh[2]. [1] https://www.off---white.com/en-us https://www.off---white.com/en-us [2] https://www.instagram.com/virgilabloh/ https://www.instagram.com/virgilabloh/
eternityforest 5y ago
This is how all mixers should be! I can't believe how audio is still basically analog. Even digital things are still linked by analog connections. Digital wireless exists but is completely nonstandard. Digital audio over XLR exists but there are multiple standards and none are anywhere near as big as analog. And mixers are all still analog despite the fact they could probably be cheaper if it was done in a DSP at sufficient qty, and there would be no concern about scratchy faders, ever.
biztos 5y ago
I am the lower end of the target market for this: I mess around with synthesizers and I prefer DAW-less and while it wouldn’t be an impulse purchase, I could probably afford it. Except that it doesn’t record, so I still need another device at the end of the chain. I can’t figure that out. For the price, surely recording would have fit. It’s digital audio anyway, right, in order to do the effects? There might be a good reason why there’s no built-in recorder, and maybe someone will explain it to me, but it seems like a massive missed opportunity to be the last link in a serious portable synth chain.
zoul 5y ago
If you’re just interested in a tiny €130 mixer, Bastl Dude is great: https://noise.kitchen/bastl-instruments/bastl-instruments-dude.html https://noise.kitchen/bastl-instruments/bastl-instruments-du...
- pcvonz 5y ago
  The demo video is great[1]. I picked one up from my local synth shop, it's a nice little mixer. Perfect for all my tiny desktop synths (Kastl, M8, NanoLoop FM). I admire the design of TE stuff, but the premium is hard to justify for me (especially since I mostly dabble in music). [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0egbPlKrfA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0egbPlKrfA
gorgoiler 5y ago
TE have also designed a phone. It’s coming out soon with their partner Nothing, who are committed to affordability: https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/nothing-phone-1 https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/nothing-phone-1 They also were the design firm behind these ear buds too, which are pretty neat: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/nothing/ear-1-truly-wireless https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/nothing/ear-1-trul...
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defterGoose 5y ago
Interestingly, for my usual use case, they made this product almost obsolete several months ago when they unlocked the USB audio functionality for the OP-1. Now that I have full stereo in/out at what I assume is 96k, and the ability to edit and playback from a DAW, the addition of a "real-world" audio interface like a duet or something for doing mics makes more sense than this. I still want one.
devin 5y ago
Anddddd it sold out. TE knows their audience, folks.
- devin 5y ago
  Anndddddd it's back in stock. :shrug:
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jfk13 5y ago
Interesting that they have different T&Cs (e.g. warranty length) for the US vs rest of the world.
- bombcar 5y ago
  Some places require different warranty minimum lengths. The US is pretty wild-west in that regard.
TheRealPomax 5y ago
I do not need this, but TE makes very nice things and I love that they keep making new things.
ramigb 5y ago
Their design is S tier, usefulness on the other hand, C tier at best.
Lobosque 5y ago
Teenage Engineering is becoming the Apple of music production. So glad to see this level of design and innovation in this space!
- smoldesu 5y ago
  In the sense that they're making overpriced hardware with proprietary connectors and insane profit margins? I think I agree, actually.
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bookofjoe 5y ago
Retired neurosurgical anesthesiologist with very little electronics knowledge here, enjoying reading ALL the comments — though I still haven't a clue what the TX-6 does. Why do I find the comments so absorbing? Because the high level of expertise evident in the majority of the comments refracts off their critiques of the device itself into life in general in a most entertaining fashion.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  It's hard to describe. Pro audio equipment is such a remarkably different landscape from the rest of the tech industry, since we've really had all this stuff perfected for a couple decades. A product like this could have existed without a problem in the 90s, frankly the only bottleneck would be finding a way to store all the audio on there without putting in a hard disk. I think people are rightfully a little miffed at this thing, because it's not so much "innovative" as it is "pretty". Teenage Engineering has always been about designing hip, good-looking items with practicality/functionality taking the backseat, but this is a pretty extreme form of that ethos. Almost like an April Fools prank, where they decided to mock themselves by releasing something so rudimentary at such a high price. A good anecdote for their behavior is the OP-1. The OP-1 was a little plastic synth box with 4 rotary encoders, a handful of buttons, and an OLED screen. It sold for something like 800 dollars originally, and sold out fast. Unsure of how to react to their newfound popularity, TE re-stocked the model at $1200 and blamed some nebulous "supply chain" issues for the price increase. No additional features were added. No components were meaningfully upgraded. They simply increased the price of a thing that was now high in demand, and raked in a bunch of cash for doing it. TE deserves all the criticism they can get if they want to target the highest-end of the market. Companies like Behringer exist on the opposite end of the spectrum, and are pretty well loved since they make cheap products with decent reliability that sound good. They exist almost solely to call out companies like TE who list massive markups on their machines to eke out a bigger profit, when their products can really be manufactured at a much lower cost. Feel free to take away whatever you want from this rant, but there's a lot of stuff at play. I think the surprise is fairly justified, all things considered.
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mvkel 5y ago
Teenage Engineering has the best UI design in the business. It's so delicious. It's like visual onomatopoeia.

434 points by yurivish 5y ago

This the one that Nilin uses for remixing memories

I try to avoid 3.5 mm mini plugs in live performance equipment. I've had lots of problems with it. There's a reason why 6.3 mm normal plugs are standard. XLR is even better in many regards. I have never tried Mini XLR. I wonder if that could work. There could be a plug that was small and flat like angled "pancake" jack yet not shorting and shielded like XLR.

drcongo 5y ago

Stupidly expensive and I have absolutely no need for it, but just look how beautiful it is.

tpmx 5y ago
It's almost disgustingly expensive for what it is.
- kamranjon 5y ago
  If it was a digital recorder similar to a tascam portastudio I could see it being really awesome as a sort of high end version of the standalone recording system but just an interface seems incredibly overpriced - you can buy compact interfaces already (they’ve been designed for video applications by zoom and tascam) that have quality preamps and great battery life which also function as recorders. It does look nice though. I hope they are able to scale up on their products so they become more affordable because I would really like to but their synth but I am not quite in the experience bracket to justify it but it seems really fun.
  - flats 5y ago
    Yeah, agreed that this I s an insane price point given that (unless I’m missing something) there’s only one preamp and it only works for an inline headphone mic.
- drivers99 5y ago
  The way people are going on about the price I was expecting it to be a lot higher. It's about the price of a video card.
  - Gracana 5y ago
    Wouldn't you want to compare it to the prices of other mixers, not video cards?
    - bombcar 5y ago
      The Blendtec Pro Series is on sale and cheaper - only $800. https://www.blendtec.com/collections/professional-blenders/products/professional-800 https://www.blendtec.com/collections/professional-blenders/p... Oh, that kind of mixer.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    It's cheaper than a boat too.

rpmisms 5y ago

Halo hardware, absolutely, but their design sense is utterly phenomenal. What a gorgeous piece of kit.

crate_barre 5y ago
Real life Winamp skin. I want one just because of how it looks.
reaperducer 5y ago
If I were ever to go back to the Wintel world (or whatever the word is for Windows+AMD), Teenage Engineering's computer is probably the only one my wife would allow in the house: https://teenage.engineering/products/computer-1 https://teenage.engineering/products/computer-1
- MDGeist 5y ago
  I've only owned one Teenage product (the Megaman Pocket Operator) but now I really want the comp 1. Cool that they've expanded beyond synths!
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  It looks interesting, but for me it hasn't got the same "want!" factor their other products have. The T1 10L ITX case just launched, waiting for its arrival: https://formdworks.com/ https://formdworks.com/
  - gigaflop 5y ago
    I was looking at SFF cases, so I keep an eye open for lesser-known ones. I was willing to add another to the list of contenders, but I just don't get why that site asks for a password, and shows only one image of something that they're trying to sell. I get that it's limited-run stuff, but why would they hide information about their product? Visiting their website is pretty much worthless if they only sell in batches, and don't allow access between batches.

rileyphone 5y ago

Love Teenage Engineering, though I've never been able to justify buying something from them (especially not this!). Though I am looking forward to the Playdate [0], which they designed. [0] https://play.date/ https://play.date/

zachruss92 5y ago
I totally didn’t realize Teenage Engineering made the Playdate. I’m even more exited for it now. Early reviews say it’s quite fun.
- srik 5y ago
  Me neither, but it makes total sense now.
- WillPostForFood 5y ago
  Teenage Engineering designed the hardware for Panic Inc (the Mac software devs in Portland). Panic is the company actually making/selling it.
wyldfire 5y ago
Never heard of this before now but it looks really fun. Somehow I can't help thinking that just a dash of color might have made it more interesting. But it seems like it keeps things simple. $180 seems really steep for this but they have some kind of hipster edge here. I'm not even completely turned off for $180 for this lo-fi unit. Since it's called 'playdate' and since it looks kinda retro -- a cable to play head-to-head games like the original Nintendo GameBoy did would be pretty cool.
WickyNilliams 5y ago
Pocket operators are (relatively) cheap and a whole lot of fun! I have the po-33 which is a sampler. It's amazing how much you can do with it. One of those devices where the limitations force you to be creative. Can thoroughly recommend if you're in any way inclined. Their other pocket operators are more synthy, but I'm a hip hop head so naturally gravitated towards the sampler.

tinco 5y ago

I wonder why it's so expensive, I know it should be higher than regular consumers expect because it's a low volume high quality product, but so is the OP-1 and that seems to have a lot more manufacturing overhead. Wouldn't this product just contain a small signal processing FPGA, a bunch of ADC's and a couple DAC's? It's small but I think those should fit fine in that enclosure with a thick PCB. Anyone know if there's anything really special in there? Not hating if there isn't, the product is probably worth it to many people regardless, just wondering. edit: just to clear the easiest explanation, since it's even more niche than the OP-1 it needs that much more margin? If it sells 1/10th the quantity it needs 10x the margin maybe.

tpmx 5y ago
It's the mechanics that's expensive. The casing, the beautiful metal knurled knobs, all of the various parts made at very high quality in relatively low numbers.
foobarian 5y ago
Look how beautiful and well-designed it is. This is almost beyond Apple-level taste. I would throw money at this company if I had the inclination to get into this kind of hobby :-) edit: beyond just how it looks and the mechanical properties, I also wonder how much additional value they added during integration. Yes the BOM may sound trivial ("small signal processing FPGA, a bunch of ADC's and a couple DAC's") but IME it's easy to mess this up without a lot of extra attention. Example: my TV is plugged into a DAC which powers standing speakers, and every time I turn it on, there is a discontinuity that blasts a "pop" at maximum volume through the speakers regardless of volume level. Or you could end up with a line level hum if not shielded properly. Etc.
bjt2n3904 5y ago
Small run production with no expense spared of a designer product for niche applications. Expensive expensive expensive! That case looks like it was milled!
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tpmx 5y ago

Can anyone identify the manufacturer of the beautiful knurled knobs? I only know about Kilo International in Orem, Utah (http://www.kilointernational.com/ http://www.kilointernational.com/) in this space. They don't look like any of their standard parts.

ruined 5y ago
at that price, they could be custom. and looking at the geometry they could be made any place doing contract c&c.
- tpmx 5y ago
  Yeah, that's probably the case. I guess that's part of their DNA - do the design first, without really thinking about what's already out there. (But with a firm view on what's possible to custom make.)
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unwind 5y ago
They state that they have "custom encoders", and in such marketing text that might well mean custom encoder knobs.

adwi 5y ago

"To keep the battery healthy, the unit should be charged at least every 6 months. if not used for a long time, it may not charge again." ... it may not charge again? Haven't heard this warning in consumer electronics before.

kamranjon 5y ago
It’s common for things with non-swappable batteries but companies might not be so explicit about the need for it. Have a higher end video camera that is same way, have to keep reminding myself to keep it charged up.
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
https://superuser.com/questions/1517665/laptop-battery-not-charging-after-very-long-storage https://superuser.com/questions/1517665/laptop-battery-not-c... batteries that go through long periods of disuse often have problems, I would suppose that companies that do not mention this edge case aren't as conscientious as those that do.

PhilipTrauner 5y ago

Looks a bit like their cancelled take on Kanye West's stem player (https://imgur.com/a/ECehY1T https://imgur.com/a/ECehY1T), especially those faders on the front.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago
Definitely the design language but doesn't seem to carry over any of the functionality, just seems like a standard mixer.

12ian34 5y ago

I could really do with this, it seems that it would solve some problems, simplify my workflow AND mean I get to sell a couple of pieces of gear. I own an OP-1 and feel that it's worth the £850 I paid for it second hand but this TX-1 is over twice as much as I'd be prepared to pay. Shame given its design and feature-set. Maybe Behringer will put out a shitty £200 clone in a year or two ;)

professoretc 5y ago
Agreed on both features and the crazy price. I've been using a TC Helicon Blender to serve as a stereo mixer + AI.

ruined 5y ago

if i wanted a simple mixer and usb audio interface with fx send and i didn't want to spend a thousand dollars on it, what's the range of alternatives i've spent under $150 on every individual item in my kit so far and it feels silly to blow past that on a mixer.

abxytg 5y ago
you're paying 4 figures or you're getting a plastic piece of crap from $50 on amazon, and it just has line out not usb audio.
P_I_Staker 5y ago
Mackie, Zoom, and Allen & Heath have mixers for 300ish buck, with 10ish inputs and are fairly featurefull. I wouldn't count on the interface doing everything you dream of, even if it seems like it can based on specs. I owned the allen & heath, but traded it for the mackie one. It's okay, but there's a few annoyances. Keep in mind that the FX send will also require a return (may sound obvious, but it's not to everyone), therefore, it will consume an input; they basically never have a dedicated return (it's pretty much pointless). The FX send itself might not be really necessary, but I don't know enough to say for sure. I think they could just label it AUX, and that any auxiliary, or monitor send can work for FX... I'm not sure. I've used them before and the FX to monitor / sample.
kamranjon 5y ago
Not sure this tics all your boxes but in a similar form factor the zoom H6 seems to be something people really like (the h4n was kinda huge when it first came out) - https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h6-audio-recorder/ https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recor...
- ruined 5y ago
  i've got an h4n, i played with it yesterday, but i am looking for something with faders and an auxiliary effects loop to mix synths for dawless jamming
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alias_neo 5y ago

I absolutely love their design language. I'll never have a need to own any of their products but I wish I could buy the gadgets I do need/want with this kind of design/style.

internetvin 5y ago
Yeah definitely feel the same way about wishing this design language and approach was applied to everyday tools and objects.
sneak 5y ago
Me too. They are aping the Rams look as well as Ive/Apple did at their best, and now Apple doesn't do it any longer.
- andybak 5y ago
  > Rams look https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams
dmd 5y ago
I don't need to own my OP-1, but I'm glad I do. It makes me happy every time I look at it.
- ketzo 5y ago
  The OP-1 is one of those products that makes me want to change my entire lifestyle and personality just so I could possibly justify owning it. It's just so neat.
  - tomcam 5y ago
    That is so shallow. Also, I feel exactly the same way.
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moron4hire 5y ago

I've come to expect Teenage Engineering's products to be expensive, but I have definitely underestimated them once again.

Aeolun 5y ago

I can’t think of a reason I would need this, but I still want it.

jasonjayr 5y ago

From the specs: > to keep the battery healthy, the unit should be charged at least every 6 months. if not used for a long time, it may not charge again. ..... why is that?

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
Batteries self-discharge. If they are fully discharged for a long time, they may get damaged irreversibly. This is the case with most battery chemistries and not specific to the TX-6.

kmeisthax 5y ago

Like most Teenage Engineering products, it's an absolutely amazing-looking, well-engineered product with a ton of functionality that does a thing I don't actually need for far more money than I can justify spending on it.

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mellavora 5y ago
So, Apple!
- fastball 5y ago
  Eh, all my Apple devices do exactly what I need them to.
  - recursive 5y ago
    Lucky for you. Once I tried to copy a single audio file to my ipod without going through the whole itunes journey. Spoiler alert: In the end I just stopped using apple stuff.
    - post_break 5y ago
      I tried the same with a mini disc player. Knowing what a product does and how it does it is kind of key though.
      - recursive 5y ago
        It worked before the firmware update through a Winamp plug in. But to your point I will be avoiding this product in the same way I avoid Apple products.
- rchaud 5y ago
  Pre-Intel Apple, or back when you needed a Mac computer for your iPod to sync, because USB mass storage isn't elegant enough or whatever.

zasdffaa 5y ago

Top 3 rows seem to be dials/knobs to twiddle, is that right? They are so close together even that female model's hand looks like it would have trouble grasping one of them without forcing aside the knobs next to it. AKA they seem very cramped.

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pmags 5y ago

Small, portable mixers with lots of stereo inputs are relatively rare. That plus the Teenage Engineering "tax" (think Apple tax but for synth-heads) is driving the price. A cheaper, but slightly less tactile alternative is the 1010 Music Bluebox: https://1010music.com/product/bluebox https://1010music.com/product/bluebox

elliotlarson 5y ago
Yeah, I have a BlueBox and it works great. You can also add tactility with an external controller like: https://intech.studio https://intech.studio, and you're still in the ballpark of like half the price of the TE mixer. I mean, I still want one, though. LOL.
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halfnhalf 5y ago
Bluebox doesn’t have a digital interface and can only record to an sd card. USB is only for power :/
- pmags 5y ago
  Indeed I do occasionally wish the bluebox also acted as an interface, but I also really like the fact that the Bluebox is a stand alone recorder (unlike the TX-6). I often don't want to be sitting in front of a computer when I'm jamming and making music. There are two USB interfaces on the bluebox -- one for power, the other USB midi devices.
LegitShady 5y ago
Most synth heads I know don't like teenage engineering and see them as overpriced underengineered nerd tech. I own an op-z and used to own some pocket operators. They will be the last teenage engineering products I own. Everything they release seems more ridiculous all the time. Just the ob-4 is enough for me to say "these are not products for synth people but tech nerds who want synths"

kennywinker 5y ago

For everyone drooling over the design of this, here’s a fun little form-over-function tidbit from the fine print: > high quality, slimline cables custom-made for TX–6. the narrow profile allows you to use all 6 channels at once and makes for an easy pack down. Sounds like the input jacks are so close together not every 3.5mm audio cable will work with it. Like a phone without a headphone jack - bring a special adaptor or no sounds for you. Lol

postexitus 5y ago
yes, but you can use non-adjascent ports with standard 3.5mm audio cables - if you are that bothered, assume it's a 3 channel board with an option to upgrade to 6 if you buy the special cables.
- kennywinker 5y ago
  Did you just “You’re holding it wrong” me? :) They could have brilliantly designed their way out of that by making the whole thing ~1.5cm wider (3mm extra five times). A zoom h6 is a well designed portable battery powered mixer / audio interface with 4 easily accessible inputs and two that might need an adaptor depending on your cabling. It also comes with two high quality microphones, and records without being tethered to another device. For $409
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- azornathogron 5y ago
  3 channels for the price of 6 is still a terrible deal.
  - aidenn0 5y ago
    It's Teenage Engineering, so more like the price of 8 or 12. Also, no balanced inputs.

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incanus77 5y ago

Once, just once, I would like to see someone say “why is this so expensive, it’s just […]” and then build one themselves, and bring it to market, for that lower cost. Go ahead, just try.

sanderjd 5y ago
Don't people do that all the time and sometimes fail and sometimes succeed? Isn't this why we have competitive products and competing price points for most things?
nathanvanfleet 5y ago
Not really a valid argument. Plenty of similar products out there with more competitive prices. "Make this complex product yourself" is the equivalent argument as "if you don't like something with your country just leave." People can complain that something is expensive.
- alfalfasprout 5y ago
  This is a ridiculous equivalence. If you live in a country you don't have a choice but be subject to its laws, politics, etc. You'd have to leave. No one is forcing you to buy this product.
aikinai 5y ago
That’s how Anker got started I believe.
- arkades 5y ago
  My understanding is that anker got started with standard white labed alibaba type goods, but differentiated themselves with good curation, meaning you actually got something decent at a low price
squarefoot 5y ago
No need to try as it already exists: Any Linux tablet with Reaper and a couple soft synths and a decent external sound card if needed would do a lot more for a lot less. A good portion of the cost of this device could be justified only if it really had motorized knobs and faders, which are shown in the video but not mentioned among the features; that would be a completely unnecessary gimmick (in such a device) which however would impact a lot on the cost. Portable music devices aren't that expensive these days. Take a look at what SunVox can do on old hardware, or maybe the Polyend Tracker, which is a hardware solution that costs less than half of the tx-6 and doesn't kill the eyes on a toy display. https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ https://polyend.com/tracker/ https://polyend.com/tracker/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQufJBVvAtY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQufJBVvAtY

speed_spread 5y ago

Nowhere near as Wired-friendly as this, but as portable mixers go, Zoom's Livetrak series is where it's at IMHO.

arkad 5y ago
+1 for that. Especially Zoom LiveTrak L-8 has nice pack of features for its size (nowhere as portable as TX-6, but still) and is also battery powered.

womitt 5y ago

I like intech.studio'a approach better

9999 5y ago
Didn't know about this company and glad to learn about them! I was actually looking for something exactly like their PO16 recently and had some PCBs and panels fabbed to make my own (17 pots for the build I found on lines).

duped 5y ago

What bothers me is that I would absolutely buy this if it was bigger and had 1/4" balanced or stereo TRRS inputs, I actually have a variety of input sources in my home office that gets dual use for work, gaming, and music. But to use this I would need to go XLR to 3.5mm (and no phantom power?) for my voice and amp mics, main out to a Y split 1/4 TRS for speakers, and 1/4" to 3.5mm for a synth. So my desk would be littered with annoying adaptors just to slim down the inputs to fit in those teeny jacks. A built in channel strip that I can keep setup for my mic (gate, compressor, EQ), plus a metronome for practicing, easy connectivity to my tablet to record myself a bit? Absolutely worth it. The synth part is a little dumb, but it's TE.

tayistay 5y ago
The TX-6 is aimed at people who own the other TE stuff which is 3.5mm. If you're looking for a solid audio interface, consider RME or Apogee.
- duped 5y ago
  I have an RME actually, but the Apogee stuff has poor support for anyone not using a Mac.
- eweise 5y ago
  My apogee duet sucked. Always had problems being recognized by logic and eventually they stopped providing updates to the software. Got a Motu M4 which is much cheaper and has been worlds better.
  - jcpst 5y ago
    That sucks. I had the opposite experience, for those curious. I still have my firewire duet, I’ve been using over 10 years. Works great. It is unfortunate they stopped updating the software. My 2010 mac mini is running OS 10.11, and it works.
robotresearcher 5y ago
There are lots of desktop mixers with regular-size connectors available, some with audio interfaces and effects. This one is super small and based on mini jacks - that's its differentiator. Main difference from the similar-space BlueBox seems to be having little faders instead of a touchscreen. And it's twice the price. Design looks nice, hard to evaluate the usability from pictures. Menu diving on little screens can be rough.

nimbius 5y ago

my biggest axe to grind with this company is the outrageous pricetag for everything they sell. With $100 bags, $700 mini boom boxes, and $15 patches You may as well call it Affluent Engineering.

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whywhywhywhy 5y ago
This might sound weird but I think the audience they're targeting the high price is part of the enjoyment. There is a weight, status and a value to an expensive item. I work in hardware so understand the costs involved but I also think the high price is beneficial to them from a brand perspective. Brand-wise the amount of buzz they generate from relatively niche products is impressive.

n42 5y ago

am I missing something, or is that a giant paddle power switch that can/will be accidentally pushed downward to off while working? edit: nope, that's exactly what that is. $1,200 for a mixer you can't use live without duct taping it, I guess. https://teenage.engineering/guides/tx-6#power-on https://teenage.engineering/guides/tx-6#power-on

tomtheelder 5y ago
If you wanted to go with that design then surely down for on would make more sense, right? Odd choice.
- n42 5y ago
  Hopefully it’s quite a firm switch
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Regardless it should have been a recessed slide.
TheRealPomax 5y ago
Why would you use this live at all? You already have a proper mixer set up in those situations.
- n42 5y ago
  well, I wouldn’t, because it has a switch that can be easily thrown and it costs way too much for what it does. so I don’t understand its market. but if it weren’t for those reasons not to use it, then I might for the same reason I would use a 1010 bluebox or any other similar minimalist mixer. size, weight, utility. something like this would be useful for a submix of 1/8” gear. just look into the types of musicians who love the 1010 boxes
- boomlinde 4y ago
  For electronic music performances it's common to bring your own portable desktop mixer(s). Then you pull the stereo output from that into the PA mixer. PA guy does very little during the performance. If you don't have a lot of gear (which is increasingly the case because of more integrated music tools) you only need a small mixer for this purpose. If you have a lot of gear you may want small sub-mixers.

resters 5y ago

I'm just happy that there are people who can work for Teenage Engineering building cool things like this. I own a pocket operator and love seeing the bare board and imagining how fun it must have been to build and design it.

jacquesm 5y ago

That looks like it was made by Braun. Gorgeous but very pricey.

jeffbee 5y ago

I guess I'm alone in my preference for the design of e.g. the Sony DMX-P01 or the Zoom F8n. Maybe it's because I'm from the past.

CharlesW 5y ago
I hope you don't feel bad for not vibing with Teenage Engineering's design choices. I personally really like the Dieter Rams-ian aesthetic, but this is a product for people with more money than sense.
- jeffbee 5y ago
  Now that you mention it this does somehow invoke the visual aesthetic of the World Receiver. I wonder if that is intentional. For me a portable audio device with this many knobs should also be covered in writing and scales, like a Nagra IV.

grobibi 5y ago

48khz max in 2022. The converters must be where they skimped. You can get a proper RME unit at that price. It looks cute though.

csnti 5y ago
I was thinking the same thing, RME makes the best equipment for pro audio, it's not even a comparison. Still, I wouldn't mind having a TX-6 (it looks fun), it's just overpriced imo. No way am I dropping $1200 on that. lol

vikingcaffiene 5y ago

I have an OP-1 and love it. Its a mainstay in my recording and live performances and honestly my "main" synth despite it looking like a toy. I keep finding new uses for it. Example: I needed backup vocals for a part and none of my bandmates could do it. I sampled the backup vocals and just play them while I sing lead in that spot. Really cool. As for this mixer, I would love this bit of gear but I just can't justify spending that kind of scratch for what essentially amounts to a mini mixer (which I already have). It seems really great though and it being battery powered and tactile like that is great.

smoldesu 5y ago

Hoo boy, Teenage Engineering is starting to get on my nerves. This is a neat piece of kit, but the specs on it pretty much relegate it to the "toy" category of their lineup. You're telling me people are going to use this 48kHz dongle as a portable DAC? You probably have a better output on your laptop. Pretty absurd. This thing is pretty much a physical iPhone app... that costs more than an iPhone. What really pisses me off about this is the price. Yes, please dogpile me about how "specialty hardware like this doesn't exist", that totally excuses this thing's existence! Seriously though, you can buy a brand new Octatrack for this price (actual professional equipment). But if this thing isn't competing with the OT, what's it's purpose? Being a digital multitrack recorder? Feeling nice in your pocket? Just being smaller than it's competitors no matter the expense? The more I look at this thing, the more it annoys me. Teenage Engineering has always been about shipping hipster audio products, but even their older stuff was fairly passable. As much as I despise the OP-1 (even moreso after it's price hike), it had a lot of cool ideas in it. It was an obvious labor of love. I can't make heads or tails of this TX-6. I genuinely don't know who would buy this. In my head, I'm watching bourgeoisie college students walking around San Francisco to make lo-fi hip hop from found sounds with this thing. That's it. I can't see anyone using this in a professional setting. The OP-Z is an actual joke in the pro audio community, but I've still seen people use it at shows. The Pocket Operator is little more than a cheap toy, but people have fun sketching rhythms on them and even using the later models as super lo-fi samplers. This is... nothing. I truly and honestly don't understand it.

makz 5y ago
My thoughts almost exactly. The thing is beautiful but useless.
lancesells 5y ago
Try to think of it in the same context as a watch. There are price ranges from $10 to probably $1M+. They all have a function of tell you the time. Price is a silly thing to be upset about it unless you truly needed it to live (which no one does).
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formerkrogemp 5y ago

Is there a geriatric engineering company?

seshu_ 5y ago

Oh, I just heard of this company and thought to myself that why are music instruments so expensive, but after reading the comments I have realised it's the Apple of it's kind.

squarefoot 5y ago
Spot on. Their target is rich people who like sleek "different" design and are willing to pay a big premium for that.

Animats 5y ago

It's an elegant little box. Some of those pictures seem to be renders, though. It doesn't really have motorized sliders. Apple used to have a "no cables in ads" thing.[1] TE is copying that. In use, this box has a lot of cables going in, so it will look like a mess. So they never show it in use. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chicnotgeek.jpg https://www.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chicnot...

vvvzxd 5y ago

can someone explain to me why their gear is so expensive? i have a lot of synths and have been collecting them for a long time, and I have no idea why the OP1 should cost 1000 dollars. it really just seems like a toy, do professionals actually use them?

Jackim 5y ago
professionals absolutely use the OP-1. Deadmau5, Kevin Parker of Tame Impala, Skrillex, Thom Yorke and many more.
colechristensen 5y ago
You have to pick a price for high end low volume products and that price often ends up containing a whole lot of development and overhead costs. You can cut corners with development and materials and lose the high end to try for volume, you can try to get your thing very popular, or you can just stick to high prices. High prices tends to get you a better customer base and a sense of exclusivity which drives sales.
WickyNilliams 5y ago
Take a look at Red Means Recording on YouTube for what the OP-1 is capable of. Very cool piece of hardware

cadr 5y ago

I saw "from $199" and thought this looked like an incredible deal. Then realized it was just how the font was rendered, and it was actually "$1199". I'm not quite sure who the market for this is - that is crazy.

Tijdreiziger 5y ago
Wow, you're not kidding.
- tmountain 5y ago
  Especially with the Focusrite Scarlett Solo is obtainable for $119.
  - fredoliveira 5y ago
    But the Solo is also nowhere near this in terms of functionality, so I'm not sure this is a great comparison.
    - javajosh 5y ago
      Here's a better comparison: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG10XU--yamaha-mg10xu-10-channel-mixer-with-usb-and-fx https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG10XU--yamaha-mg10x... "10-channel Analog Mixer with 4 Microphone Preamps, 3 Dedicated Stereo Line Channels, 1 Aux Send, EQ, 1-knob Compressors, and Digital Effects" $230. It's bigger and needs to plug into a wall. But TBH I can't think of an application for a battery powered mixer.
TheRealPomax 5y ago
Every musician who has enough income to have their own production studio and likes to play with small batch gear. Because this is extremely small batch, good luck getting any Teenage Engineering products new one or two years after release. A product like this is effectively filling a niche inside a niche, and either you just don't even bother, or you charge what it costs to get your R&D back.

gorkish 5y ago

God this thing is gonna look and work so much worse with 10 cables hanging out of it. Probably isn't even heavy enough to stay in one place against all of that mess, but yeah there's about a million times I can recall where having such a thing in the bag would have saved someone's bacon. I do also expect to see plenty of hipsters unnecessarily self-flagellating themselves with it, per TE tradition.

H1Supreme 5y ago

Price aside, what is the use case for this? Bands or electronic live sets will already be bringing a bunch of gear (with 1/4" connections, almost universally) to a show. The size of their 6 channel mixer will not really come into play when you consider guitars, amps, synths, etc. So, who is this for? People using iPads and iPhones that need the smallest possible mixer? The audio interface aspect is available in many other mixers already. So, that's not a unique feature.

cestith 5y ago
I would say it's handy for a jam bag or gig bag when a show suddenly happens, or as a backup when you need additional channels because part of your board failed,, or maybe you were counting on the venue's board and it has too few features or inputs. I would say that, if it was $600 and not $1200. This might be handy for the Youtube buskers and such who are trying to minimize equipment size to stay very mobile. My mixer is old, used, and not palm-sized but I just twiddle around at home. I've not released a track to friends and family for years, let alone performed a gig or sold anything on streaming services. So for someone like me this is a really cool toy to look at but well beyond an impulse buy.

adamrezich 5y ago

slightly off-topic but I often listen to podcasts while playing video games and I've long wanted a simple device—ideally battery-powered and portable but I'll take what I can get—that takes two audio inputs and produces one audio output, allowing me to crossfade between the two as needed, so I can mix between two audio sources on the fly. does something like this exist, and if so, how expensive is it? I haven't been able to find anything.

vvvzxd 5y ago
2 channel audio mixer, pretty much one of the most common devices out there
- adamrezich 5y ago
  interesting, I was looking on Amazon like a year ago and couldn't find anything like that, but now I see there's several <$50 devices just like that! thanks
MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
The Gnome 202 is surprisingly decent, very low noise. Its portable if attached to a power bank. https://www.steinigke.de/de/mpn10006880-omnitronic-gnome-202-mini-mixer-schwarz.html https://www.steinigke.de/de/mpn10006880-omnitronic-gnome-202...

IAmPym 5y ago

"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. For people that rely on their tools to be creative or appreciate design. You are paying a premium. See Apple for lots of examples. This is also one of the biggest strengths of the company, if you want something cheap you're looking in the wrong place. Complex - the amount of balance of various components here adds a lot to the design and development costs. Battery is an unusual feature but puts it in a different product category. Balancing that with the audio quality and reliability is not a trivial problem. Add in wireless, audio drivers (not trivial at ALL), Complexity increases development time and adds risk to the long term stability of the product, that is added into the cost. Most of the small features feel like somebody there thought it would be fun and/or easy to put in. It's a good way to iterate through design ideas, you have to see it in reality. That type of prototyping isn't easy. Most people don't use 90% of the features but when you are in a creative industry the 1% that does absolutely LOVES it and uses it in ways you never expected. It's difficult to balance the amount of development you put into fun things vs. business cases. If you are trying to figure out why you'd pay for this you aren't their target market. It's far more interesting (to me) to think about why some people WOULD pay for this and what a market looks like that you are not a part of

lamp_book 5y ago
> doesn't break Can get behind the rest of your comment but I don't think anyone's ever accused TE of making durable products. To their credit though, they replaced my broken PO without a fuss, so I'm not a detractor.
- IAmPym 5y ago
  I have used TE products on occasion and looked into them deeply from a bunch of engineering perspectives. Compared to other products in a similar price point and form factor the likelihood of a problem is far lower. When you reduce the size you eliminate structural components and if you can't mill aluminum you're left with a lot of difficult choices to make to keep things stable. TE does a good job of balancing those things. Customer service is where you see the end result of this. Replacing things quickly and easily means they aren't struggling to support bad design decisions in terms of stability.

simonjgreen 5y ago

Me looking at the new Teenage Engineering TX-6: "Mmmhmmm, yep, yep, like, yep, that's beautiful, I think I'll probably... OH MY GOD HOW MUCH"

FerociousTimes 5y ago

This device has Dieter Rams' fingerprints all over it.

mmastrac 5y ago

I bought an OP-1 a few years back and it's done nothing but go up in value

wodenokoto 5y ago

Off-topic, but I noticed they have their Bluetooth speaker in "off-white" - that is, bright orange. I thought that was pretty funny. https://teenage.engineering/store/ob-4-off-white-set/ https://teenage.engineering/store/ob-4-off-white-set/

tern 5y ago
Off-White[1] is a fashion brand started by the late Virgil Abloh[2]. [1] https://www.off---white.com/en-us https://www.off---white.com/en-us [2] https://www.instagram.com/virgilabloh/ https://www.instagram.com/virgilabloh/

eternityforest 5y ago

This is how all mixers should be! I can't believe how audio is still basically analog. Even digital things are still linked by analog connections. Digital wireless exists but is completely nonstandard. Digital audio over XLR exists but there are multiple standards and none are anywhere near as big as analog. And mixers are all still analog despite the fact they could probably be cheaper if it was done in a DSP at sufficient qty, and there would be no concern about scratchy faders, ever.

biztos 5y ago

I am the lower end of the target market for this: I mess around with synthesizers and I prefer DAW-less and while it wouldn’t be an impulse purchase, I could probably afford it. Except that it doesn’t record, so I still need another device at the end of the chain. I can’t figure that out. For the price, surely recording would have fit. It’s digital audio anyway, right, in order to do the effects? There might be a good reason why there’s no built-in recorder, and maybe someone will explain it to me, but it seems like a massive missed opportunity to be the last link in a serious portable synth chain.

zoul 5y ago

If you’re just interested in a tiny €130 mixer, Bastl Dude is great: https://noise.kitchen/bastl-instruments/bastl-instruments-dude.html https://noise.kitchen/bastl-instruments/bastl-instruments-du...

pcvonz 5y ago
The demo video is great[1]. I picked one up from my local synth shop, it's a nice little mixer. Perfect for all my tiny desktop synths (Kastl, M8, NanoLoop FM). I admire the design of TE stuff, but the premium is hard to justify for me (especially since I mostly dabble in music). [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0egbPlKrfA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0egbPlKrfA

gorgoiler 5y ago

TE have also designed a phone. It’s coming out soon with their partner Nothing, who are committed to affordability: https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/nothing-phone-1 https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/nothing-phone-1 They also were the design firm behind these ear buds too, which are pretty neat: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/nothing/ear-1-truly-wireless https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/nothing/ear-1-trul...

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defterGoose 5y ago

Interestingly, for my usual use case, they made this product almost obsolete several months ago when they unlocked the USB audio functionality for the OP-1. Now that I have full stereo in/out at what I assume is 96k, and the ability to edit and playback from a DAW, the addition of a "real-world" audio interface like a duet or something for doing mics makes more sense than this. I still want one.

devin 5y ago

Anddddd it sold out. TE knows their audience, folks.

devin 5y ago
Anndddddd it's back in stock. :shrug:

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jfk13 5y ago

Interesting that they have different T&Cs (e.g. warranty length) for the US vs rest of the world.

bombcar 5y ago
Some places require different warranty minimum lengths. The US is pretty wild-west in that regard.

TheRealPomax 5y ago

I do not need this, but TE makes very nice things and I love that they keep making new things.

ramigb 5y ago

Their design is S tier, usefulness on the other hand, C tier at best.

Lobosque 5y ago

Teenage Engineering is becoming the Apple of music production. So glad to see this level of design and innovation in this space!

smoldesu 5y ago
In the sense that they're making overpriced hardware with proprietary connectors and insane profit margins? I think I agree, actually.

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bookofjoe 5y ago

Retired neurosurgical anesthesiologist with very little electronics knowledge here, enjoying reading ALL the comments — though I still haven't a clue what the TX-6 does. Why do I find the comments so absorbing? Because the high level of expertise evident in the majority of the comments refracts off their critiques of the device itself into life in general in a most entertaining fashion.

smoldesu 5y ago
It's hard to describe. Pro audio equipment is such a remarkably different landscape from the rest of the tech industry, since we've really had all this stuff perfected for a couple decades. A product like this could have existed without a problem in the 90s, frankly the only bottleneck would be finding a way to store all the audio on there without putting in a hard disk. I think people are rightfully a little miffed at this thing, because it's not so much "innovative" as it is "pretty". Teenage Engineering has always been about designing hip, good-looking items with practicality/functionality taking the backseat, but this is a pretty extreme form of that ethos. Almost like an April Fools prank, where they decided to mock themselves by releasing something so rudimentary at such a high price. A good anecdote for their behavior is the OP-1. The OP-1 was a little plastic synth box with 4 rotary encoders, a handful of buttons, and an OLED screen. It sold for something like 800 dollars originally, and sold out fast. Unsure of how to react to their newfound popularity, TE re-stocked the model at $1200 and blamed some nebulous "supply chain" issues for the price increase. No additional features were added. No components were meaningfully upgraded. They simply increased the price of a thing that was now high in demand, and raked in a bunch of cash for doing it. TE deserves all the criticism they can get if they want to target the highest-end of the market. Companies like Behringer exist on the opposite end of the spectrum, and are pretty well loved since they make cheap products with decent reliability that sound good. They exist almost solely to call out companies like TE who list massive markups on their machines to eke out a bigger profit, when their products can really be manufactured at a much lower cost. Feel free to take away whatever you want from this rant, but there's a lot of stuff at play. I think the surprise is fairly justified, all things considered.
- bookofjoe 4y ago

mvkel 5y ago

Teenage Engineering has the best UI design in the business. It's so delicious. It's like visual onomatopoeia.