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Currently Le Monde diplomatique (https://mondediplo.com/ https://mondediplo.com/) is the only world news I'm reading, it's always a joy to get it in the mail, a

Currently Le Monde diplomatique (https://mondediplo.com/ https://mondediplo.com/) is the only world news I'm reading, it's always a joy to get it in the mail, and I really appreciate the quality of journalism and analyses.

ur-whale 5y ago
Worth reading inded if you believe in getting different perspectives to get a vague idea of what's really going on. However, fair warning: Le Monde diplomatique is heavily biased reporting.
- TotempaaltJ 5y ago
  I love LMD, but I have to agree with the bias warning here. LMD makes no effort to be impartial. There are definitely things I strongly disagree with in LMD, and I'm still looking for a similar paper with different opinions in my news consumption.
- igravious 5y ago
  I mean, what geopolitical conduit isn't this days? And hasn't it ever been thus? Not saying this is a bad thing, or a good thing; that's just the way things are, right?
  - simonh 5y ago
    I don't mind a source having biases in the sense of a lean, everyone has biases. What winds me up is when they knowingly and intentionally skew their reporting not just to reflect that bias but to promote it and radicalise their viewership. Take the BBC for example, they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias. It's pretty mild though and they do have some somewhat right wing voices. As a moderate right winger I find it absolutely fine and easy to take into account. The Economist is great, and even the Guardian is worth reading from time to time. It's good to know what people with different opinions are thinking and why. I cannot stomach Fox News though. Those people are deranged, it's practically RT for America. The Daily Mail here in the UK is almost as bad, they knowingly and regularly distort climate science data to misrepresent it for example. I'm a climate optimist, but the DM blatantly falsifies results. I still go to their web sites to check out how they are reporting things from time to time, but they're not just right leaning, they're constructing an all out ultraconservative fantasy reality. Maybe I should try the Express or Telegraph, they might reflect my political views better but I can't be bothered. I find a close echo chamber for my own opinions rather boring. The nearest thing I consume to how I think is the Economist but they always keep it interesting with thoughtful analysis of current events and even post mortems when they get things wrong. They also sometimes give air time to opposing views. Maintaining my views while constantly being pulled leftward by at least some of the media I consume to be a constructive dynamic. I don't always agree with them, but at lest I'm well informed on why. For some reason left media tends to be much more centrist these days than right media which is ultra radicalised. Back in my youth it was the other way around. Left media used to be so bonkers it was hilarious, now right media is so bonkers it's terrifying.
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      >Take the BBC for example, they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias. It's pretty mild though and they do have some somewhat right wing voices. As a moderate right winger I find it absolutely fine and easy to take into account. The Economist is great, and even the Guardian is worth reading from time to time. It's good to know what people with different opinions are thinking and why. Actually I would say the BBC is everything but neutral. My partner reads the BBC while I consume more German news and the Guardian. It is often very obvious that the BBC often ignores news that reflect negatively on the UK government, even if they are very prominent in sources from mainland Europe and e.g. the Guardian.
    - wdb 5y ago
      BBC is not neutral in my opinion after reading their Brexit related articles
    - fransje26 5y ago
      Funny. Every time I read a BBC article, I have the impression I'm getting a lobotomy. The bias is so strong, more often than not you can make out from the title in which direction the article is going to be twisted.
    - ur-whale 5y ago
      > they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias The BBC is very, very far from being a neutral source, and your "somewhat" there is a very big understatement.
      - design-material 5y ago
        On the contrary, the BBC has a major right-wing bias and regularly downplays - and even often outright chooses to not report - pieces that reflect poorly on the UK Government (which becomes striking when you read some European or American dailies that report much more freely on such stories).
- kergonath 5y ago
  > However, fair warning: Le Monde diplomatique is heavily biased reporting. I prefer that to the appearance of objectivity, which cannot be more than a facade and is more insidious. What is unacceptable is made up facts, but I am happy with opinionated analysis.
Zealotux 5y ago
I've been subscribed to the paper version for a year now (French version), it's great, probably one of the best French newspaper to read.
_glass 5y ago
Me, too. I brush up my French (https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/ https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/), and I love when the paper is delivered.
psychoslave 5y ago
Kaj ĝi proponas esperantan version: https://eo.mondediplo.com/ https://eo.mondediplo.com/
- reaperducer 5y ago
  Wow. I wonder what the readership numbers are on that. I've always thought of Esperanto as the metric system of languages. And whenever a thread comes up on HN with people railing against imperial measurement units, I wonder why they're not also speaking Esperanto.
  - kikoreis 5y ago
    How does that analogy work? Isn't metric used by over 90% (well.. [*]) of the world's population? [*] https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/2cjiau/selfpercentage_of_the_world_that_uses_metric_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/2cjiau/self...
  - sdeframond 5y ago
    > I've always thought of Esperanto as the metric system of languages. Nice troll. The metric system is actually used by everyone aside from the US as far as I know ;)
    - reaperducer 5y ago
      Nice troll Not a troll at all. It's a language developed to be used as an international standard by people across all languages and cultures. Please explain how the statement is a troll. everyone aside from the US as far as I know Then here is an opportunity to educate yourself. There are a bunch of countries that use imperial units both officially and informally. I'd do the Googling for you, but I'm on mobile right now and not able to search properly.
      - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
        If you want to nitpick, US is not using the imperial system, but the US Customary (and is indeed the only country doing that). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units
stefanve 5y ago
thank you didn't know that one
TotempaaltJ 5y ago
Important to note that LMD is owned by Le Monde, but has full editorial autonomy.
- Cynddl 5y ago
  Only 51%: “Le Monde owns 51%; the Friends of Le Monde diplomatique and Gunter Holzmann Association, comprising the paper’s staff, together own 49%.” https://mondediplo.com/about https://mondediplo.com/about
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Bayart 5y ago
I've been a regular Monde diplo reader for years, even if I'm a consubtantial right-winger (and it's well known for being very left-wing), for the only reason that it's the best written paper in France.
- nicoco 5y ago
  This is genuinely suprising to me. How can you find le diplo the best written paper in France and consider yourself right-winger? I thought anyone right of Mélenchon would not bear reading more than 2 lines of it.
  - barrikad 5y ago
    Similar to how I, a committed communist, think The Economist is the best paper written in English. When a paper has a very explicit point of view that they don't hide, it's very easy to "read between the lines" and evaluate what they're saying on their own merits, taking their bias into consideration. The news is still the news, and you can make sense of what they're saying about it if you know their inherent biases. This is why I prefer sources like The Economist, who are happy to tell you they're classically liberal, rather than somewhere like CNN that's "unbiased news" that's really very biased without consciously revealing this bias.
    - nicoco 5y ago
      >The news is still the news Since it's impossible to cover everything that happens in the universe, choosing which news is important is a big part of being partial. Anyway, I am less surprised that a revolutionary comrade like you is interested in knowing how the establishment thinks (to fight it I guess) than by OP's attitude, i.e., a reactionary taking interest (and judging positively) what the revolutionaries are writing. In my experience, people self-labelling as right-leaning tend to dismiss anything coming from the left as "utopian bullshit".
      - barrikad 5y ago
        Labeling 'Le Monde," the most trusted newspaper in France and one of the largest papers on the planet as one written by "revolutionaries" is rich. There's far more difference between my politics and Le Monde than Le Monde and The Economist, both of which are still fundamentally liberal, reformist papers that accept the rule of capital and that capitalism is the Only System, just disagree on slight reforms around the edges. OP isn't that strange since Le Monde and him probably agree on most larger political decisions and just disagree about the reforms around the edges unless they're like a monarchist or something.
zouhair 5y ago
Because, even it is a subsidiary of Le Monde (Le Monde owns 51%, the rest is owned by the Associations "Les Amis Du Monde Diplomatique" and "Gunter Holzmann" which are all the personnel), it has full editorial autonomy and it shows by the quality of their articles.
- abyssin 5y ago
  It also shows in their political line, which I like.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
Thank you. Subscribed. This article [1], in particular, is a gem out of the current edition. (Aesthetic note: that's the actual URL. No trackers. No strings of nonsense. Sweetly concise. Says more than I realized about a team's culture.) [1] https://mondediplo.com/2022/04/03nuclear https://mondediplo.com/2022/04/03nuclear
- abyssin 5y ago
  Also regarding aesthetics, Le Monde diplomatique has nearly perfect typography.
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- TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
  Isn't that a fairly common news URL structure? * https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/7/bank-of-japan-member-stresses-easy-policy-despite-rising-costs https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/7/bank-of-japan-mem... * https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/sports/baseball/julio-rodriguez-seattle-mariners.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/sports/baseball/julio-rod... Likely less due to the team's "culture" but instead normal things like SEO, UX, etc. There are no tracker parameters in the URL, but there is a tracker on the page itself. They say outright this change is in part to make money, there's nothing wrong with that.
School-Cotton 5y ago
Despite the similar name, LMD is not similar at all to Le monde. (The latter owns part of the former, but that is the only connection between them). Le monde is a general (centrist) daily newspaper. LMD is a staunchly left-wing monthly.
geniium 5y ago
Le Monde Diplomatique is an amazing journal but I don’t think they are the same company at all.
KSPAtlas 5y ago
I went on and it didnt ask me to accept cookies and has no ads. Already love it
- davibu 5y ago
  This is because Le Monde is not GDPR compliant.

ur-whale 5y ago

Worth reading inded if you believe in getting different perspectives to get a vague idea of what's really going on. However, fair warning: Le Monde diplomatique is heavily biased reporting.

TotempaaltJ 5y ago
I love LMD, but I have to agree with the bias warning here. LMD makes no effort to be impartial. There are definitely things I strongly disagree with in LMD, and I'm still looking for a similar paper with different opinions in my news consumption.
igravious 5y ago
I mean, what geopolitical conduit isn't this days? And hasn't it ever been thus? Not saying this is a bad thing, or a good thing; that's just the way things are, right?
- simonh 5y ago
  I don't mind a source having biases in the sense of a lean, everyone has biases. What winds me up is when they knowingly and intentionally skew their reporting not just to reflect that bias but to promote it and radicalise their viewership. Take the BBC for example, they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias. It's pretty mild though and they do have some somewhat right wing voices. As a moderate right winger I find it absolutely fine and easy to take into account. The Economist is great, and even the Guardian is worth reading from time to time. It's good to know what people with different opinions are thinking and why. I cannot stomach Fox News though. Those people are deranged, it's practically RT for America. The Daily Mail here in the UK is almost as bad, they knowingly and regularly distort climate science data to misrepresent it for example. I'm a climate optimist, but the DM blatantly falsifies results. I still go to their web sites to check out how they are reporting things from time to time, but they're not just right leaning, they're constructing an all out ultraconservative fantasy reality. Maybe I should try the Express or Telegraph, they might reflect my political views better but I can't be bothered. I find a close echo chamber for my own opinions rather boring. The nearest thing I consume to how I think is the Economist but they always keep it interesting with thoughtful analysis of current events and even post mortems when they get things wrong. They also sometimes give air time to opposing views. Maintaining my views while constantly being pulled leftward by at least some of the media I consume to be a constructive dynamic. I don't always agree with them, but at lest I'm well informed on why. For some reason left media tends to be much more centrist these days than right media which is ultra radicalised. Back in my youth it was the other way around. Left media used to be so bonkers it was hilarious, now right media is so bonkers it's terrifying.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    >Take the BBC for example, they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias. It's pretty mild though and they do have some somewhat right wing voices. As a moderate right winger I find it absolutely fine and easy to take into account. The Economist is great, and even the Guardian is worth reading from time to time. It's good to know what people with different opinions are thinking and why. Actually I would say the BBC is everything but neutral. My partner reads the BBC while I consume more German news and the Guardian. It is often very obvious that the BBC often ignores news that reflect negatively on the UK government, even if they are very prominent in sources from mainland Europe and e.g. the Guardian.
  - wdb 5y ago
    BBC is not neutral in my opinion after reading their Brexit related articles
  - fransje26 5y ago
    Funny. Every time I read a BBC article, I have the impression I'm getting a lobotomy. The bias is so strong, more often than not you can make out from the title in which direction the article is going to be twisted.
  - ur-whale 5y ago
    > they're as close as I can get to a neutral source but even they have a somewhat left wing bias The BBC is very, very far from being a neutral source, and your "somewhat" there is a very big understatement.
    - design-material 5y ago
      On the contrary, the BBC has a major right-wing bias and regularly downplays - and even often outright chooses to not report - pieces that reflect poorly on the UK Government (which becomes striking when you read some European or American dailies that report much more freely on such stories).
kergonath 5y ago
> However, fair warning: Le Monde diplomatique is heavily biased reporting. I prefer that to the appearance of objectivity, which cannot be more than a facade and is more insidious. What is unacceptable is made up facts, but I am happy with opinionated analysis.

Zealotux 5y ago

I've been subscribed to the paper version for a year now (French version), it's great, probably one of the best French newspaper to read.

_glass 5y ago

Me, too. I brush up my French (https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/ https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/), and I love when the paper is delivered.

psychoslave 5y ago

Kaj ĝi proponas esperantan version: https://eo.mondediplo.com/ https://eo.mondediplo.com/

reaperducer 5y ago
Wow. I wonder what the readership numbers are on that. I've always thought of Esperanto as the metric system of languages. And whenever a thread comes up on HN with people railing against imperial measurement units, I wonder why they're not also speaking Esperanto.
- kikoreis 5y ago
  How does that analogy work? Isn't metric used by over 90% (well.. [*]) of the world's population? [*] https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/2cjiau/selfpercentage_of_the_world_that_uses_metric_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/2cjiau/self...
- sdeframond 5y ago
  > I've always thought of Esperanto as the metric system of languages. Nice troll. The metric system is actually used by everyone aside from the US as far as I know ;)
  - reaperducer 5y ago
    Nice troll Not a troll at all. It's a language developed to be used as an international standard by people across all languages and cultures. Please explain how the statement is a troll. everyone aside from the US as far as I know Then here is an opportunity to educate yourself. There are a bunch of countries that use imperial units both officially and informally. I'd do the Googling for you, but I'm on mobile right now and not able to search properly.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
      If you want to nitpick, US is not using the imperial system, but the US Customary (and is indeed the only country doing that). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units

stefanve 5y ago

thank you didn't know that one

TotempaaltJ 5y ago

Important to note that LMD is owned by Le Monde, but has full editorial autonomy.

Cynddl 5y ago
Only 51%: “Le Monde owns 51%; the Friends of Le Monde diplomatique and Gunter Holzmann Association, comprising the paper’s staff, together own 49%.” https://mondediplo.com/about https://mondediplo.com/about
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Bayart 5y ago

I've been a regular Monde diplo reader for years, even if I'm a consubtantial right-winger (and it's well known for being very left-wing), for the only reason that it's the best written paper in France.

nicoco 5y ago
This is genuinely suprising to me. How can you find le diplo the best written paper in France and consider yourself right-winger? I thought anyone right of Mélenchon would not bear reading more than 2 lines of it.
- barrikad 5y ago
  Similar to how I, a committed communist, think The Economist is the best paper written in English. When a paper has a very explicit point of view that they don't hide, it's very easy to "read between the lines" and evaluate what they're saying on their own merits, taking their bias into consideration. The news is still the news, and you can make sense of what they're saying about it if you know their inherent biases. This is why I prefer sources like The Economist, who are happy to tell you they're classically liberal, rather than somewhere like CNN that's "unbiased news" that's really very biased without consciously revealing this bias.
  - nicoco 5y ago
    >The news is still the news Since it's impossible to cover everything that happens in the universe, choosing which news is important is a big part of being partial. Anyway, I am less surprised that a revolutionary comrade like you is interested in knowing how the establishment thinks (to fight it I guess) than by OP's attitude, i.e., a reactionary taking interest (and judging positively) what the revolutionaries are writing. In my experience, people self-labelling as right-leaning tend to dismiss anything coming from the left as "utopian bullshit".
    - barrikad 5y ago
      Labeling 'Le Monde," the most trusted newspaper in France and one of the largest papers on the planet as one written by "revolutionaries" is rich. There's far more difference between my politics and Le Monde than Le Monde and The Economist, both of which are still fundamentally liberal, reformist papers that accept the rule of capital and that capitalism is the Only System, just disagree on slight reforms around the edges. OP isn't that strange since Le Monde and him probably agree on most larger political decisions and just disagree about the reforms around the edges unless they're like a monarchist or something.

zouhair 5y ago

Because, even it is a subsidiary of Le Monde (Le Monde owns 51%, the rest is owned by the Associations "Les Amis Du Monde Diplomatique" and "Gunter Holzmann" which are all the personnel), it has full editorial autonomy and it shows by the quality of their articles.

abyssin 5y ago
It also shows in their political line, which I like.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

Thank you. Subscribed. This article [1], in particular, is a gem out of the current edition. (Aesthetic note: that's the actual URL. No trackers. No strings of nonsense. Sweetly concise. Says more than I realized about a team's culture.) [1] https://mondediplo.com/2022/04/03nuclear https://mondediplo.com/2022/04/03nuclear

abyssin 5y ago
Also regarding aesthetics, Le Monde diplomatique has nearly perfect typography.
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TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
Isn't that a fairly common news URL structure? * https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/7/bank-of-japan-member-stresses-easy-policy-despite-rising-costs https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/7/bank-of-japan-mem... * https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/sports/baseball/julio-rodriguez-seattle-mariners.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/sports/baseball/julio-rod... Likely less due to the team's "culture" but instead normal things like SEO, UX, etc. There are no tracker parameters in the URL, but there is a tracker on the page itself. They say outright this change is in part to make money, there's nothing wrong with that.

School-Cotton 5y ago

Despite the similar name, LMD is not similar at all to Le monde. (The latter owns part of the former, but that is the only connection between them). Le monde is a general (centrist) daily newspaper. LMD is a staunchly left-wing monthly.

geniium 5y ago

Le Monde Diplomatique is an amazing journal but I don’t think they are the same company at all.

KSPAtlas 5y ago

I went on and it didnt ask me to accept cookies and has no ads. Already love it

davibu 5y ago
This is because Le Monde is not GDPR compliant.