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Retirees who live on cruise ships

33 points by carlivar 5y ago

gotaquestion 5y ago
Interesting way to use your vast retirement wealth. I wonder if these kind of luxury retirement expenditures will exist in the coming generations who haven't accumulated huge sums of money.
- cm2012 5y ago
  You can cruise year round on like $3k a month, it's not that luxurious when you consider that it includes room, board, food, maid service, activities, etc. Especially compared to how expensive old age homes are.
  - gotaquestion 5y ago
    The article mentions upwards of $300/day or more, which is 110k/yr. That's a lot of money, not to mention the cost of your fixed home and other living expenses (medical?). Plus, I would not want to do a "budget" cruise every single day and be at the mercy of their menu. It just sounds unappealing and expensive to me, but that's me.
    - irrational 5y ago
      $300/day seems high. Are they staying in staterooms with balconies?
    - smilespray 5y ago
      To me, a better title would have been "How to get to Hell before you die".
    - turtlebits 5y ago
      Not affiliated, but- Cheapest 15 day Cruise on Norwegian is $649. Just line those up back to back. They even have an offer for 70% off for your second guest, which makes it ~$900 for 2 people. https://www.ncl.com/vacations?duration=15+&sort=price_low_high https://www.ncl.com/vacations?duration=15+&sort=price_low_hi...
      - ensignavenger 5y ago
        That doesn't include all the fees, primarily "gratuities". Also, I think prices are pretty good right now. It also varies with the time of the year. I would expect prices to go up as the industry recovers from the pandemic. Of course, frequent cruisers get added upgrades and special offers from the cruise lines, too.
- smm11 5y ago
  Interesting way to reveal your true motivation. I "accumulated" huge sums of money by working my butt off, not demanding I live in San Francisco six months out of college, investing wisely, and upsizing when the market was favorable. Today's younger generations have the world at their fingertips, and use all those resources to stare at TikTok.
vmception 5y ago
> “The concept of combining a nice environment to work from and then going to sleep in Venice and waking up in Croatia,” says de Leede, “It's great.” Half day stops in places just to say you were there? Not fond of that
- sybercecurity 5y ago
  I remember taking similar vacations as a kid: traveling the whole time and rarely staying more than one night in the same city. There is an American view of vacations as speedruns, especially among older generations. Maybe coming from the culture where long, international vacations were seen as against the work ethic, expensive, and something to feel guilty about. So there was the perception you had to rush to see it all while you only had a set number of days because you may never get back.
  - tenpies 5y ago
    They're still very much alive in the current generation. Keep in mind that a huge amount of millennial and younger vacation in order to work for Likes. They don't really care about anything as long as they can get that really good Instagram post or Tiktok. The speedrun style of tourism that you mention is very much catered to by tour guides and generally emphasizes how cheaply you can get through all these places.
    - vmception 5y ago
      A vast majority of them just have little to no vacation time, just like the older generations. This is an odd thread.
      - deleted 5y ago
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    - sorenjan 5y ago
      I've seen articles about similar behavior among Chinese tourists in Austria. Bus load after bus load came to the small picturesque towns, unloaded, took their pictures, and then moved on. An if course Japanese tourists where known for a long time for always taking pictures and video wherever they went.
chrisbigelow 5y ago
alt title: "How to rapidly expand your carbon footprint before you die" "Research shows that cruising emits up to four times more CO2 per passenger than flying. While air travel costs between 0,11 and 0,16 kg per passenger per kilometer – a significant amount -, taking a cruise ship adds up to a staggering 0,40 kilograms per kilometer."[1] [1] https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20cruising%20emits,0%2C40%20kilograms%20per%20kilometer https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/#:~:text....
- abyssin 5y ago
  While I agree ship cruising is a polluting lifestyle, I think it should be compared to living on land.
  - tmountain 5y ago
    It's unequivocally worse. Every single day, cruise ships worldwide emit the same particular matter as a million cars. A single large cruise ship will emit over five tonnes of NOX emissions, and 450kg of ultrafine particles a day. To give you an idea, it emits about the same amount of sulfur dioxide as 3,6 MILLION cars. https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/ https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/
- WithinReason 5y ago
  Sure, but also takes ~150 times longer
- valgor 5y ago
  Came to say this. These are potentially the biggest individual polluters on the planet.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
    Private jets are far worse per Capita.
NeoTar 5y ago
I know not everything needs to be about the pandemic, but not to mention it at all in this article seems like a conspicuous gap since a lot of the early super-spreader events were on cruise ships, and my understanding is that the whole industry was on-hold for twelve months.
jonkoops 5y ago
Wow, that is a massive 'fuck you' to the next generation in terms of climate impact.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  i disagree, it is actually super optimized, food delivery, food cooking, waste management and ton of other stuff i wonder if a nuclear proposed ship would be a solution to make it carbon neutral in the future
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    You missed the 'nearly indentured servitude of the larger portion of the crew'. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-rights/seven-ways-cruise-lines-are-screwing-crew-members/ https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-r...
  - hh3k0 5y ago
    > I disagree, it is actually super optimized […] Well, you live in fantasy land then. > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. […] While cruise vessels represent only a fraction of the global shipping industry, they account for around a quarter of all the waste produced by the sector, the review found. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-climate-health-impacts-b1928659.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-shi...
    - Shadonototra 5y ago
      i was talking about the life on the ship, not the carbon footprint of the ship in a city, each individuals uses their car to go buy food, then come back home and use car to go do their other activities, then cook things at home, wasting a ton of resources and producing ton of useless waste something that doesn't happen if you are living on a ship where everything is optimized for the group hence why i then mention if using nuclear propulsion would help fix the latter problem, like submarines
sys_64738 5y ago
> Living aboard a cruise ship doesn’t come cheap. For example, fully furnished residences aboard the MV Narrative cost between $1 million and $8 million, and there are a limited number of 12- and 24-year leases available, which start at $400K. In addition, there are the monthly homeowner's association-style fees, which vary according to the size of a residence and cover everything from ship fuel to housekeeping, as well as all standard food and drink. In essence, it’s a fee similar to the kind of packages that you often pre-pay for on a typical cruise ship. Not possible unless you work for a FAANGO.

33 points by carlivar 5y ago

Interesting way to use your vast retirement wealth. I wonder if these kind of luxury retirement expenditures will exist in the coming generations who haven't accumulated huge sums of money.

cm2012 5y ago
You can cruise year round on like $3k a month, it's not that luxurious when you consider that it includes room, board, food, maid service, activities, etc. Especially compared to how expensive old age homes are.
- gotaquestion 5y ago
  The article mentions upwards of $300/day or more, which is 110k/yr. That's a lot of money, not to mention the cost of your fixed home and other living expenses (medical?). Plus, I would not want to do a "budget" cruise every single day and be at the mercy of their menu. It just sounds unappealing and expensive to me, but that's me.
  - irrational 5y ago
    $300/day seems high. Are they staying in staterooms with balconies?
  - smilespray 5y ago
    To me, a better title would have been "How to get to Hell before you die".
  - turtlebits 5y ago
    Not affiliated, but- Cheapest 15 day Cruise on Norwegian is $649. Just line those up back to back. They even have an offer for 70% off for your second guest, which makes it ~$900 for 2 people. https://www.ncl.com/vacations?duration=15+&sort=price_low_high https://www.ncl.com/vacations?duration=15+&sort=price_low_hi...
    - ensignavenger 5y ago
      That doesn't include all the fees, primarily "gratuities". Also, I think prices are pretty good right now. It also varies with the time of the year. I would expect prices to go up as the industry recovers from the pandemic. Of course, frequent cruisers get added upgrades and special offers from the cruise lines, too.
smm11 5y ago
Interesting way to reveal your true motivation. I "accumulated" huge sums of money by working my butt off, not demanding I live in San Francisco six months out of college, investing wisely, and upsizing when the market was favorable. Today's younger generations have the world at their fingertips, and use all those resources to stare at TikTok.

vmception 5y ago

> “The concept of combining a nice environment to work from and then going to sleep in Venice and waking up in Croatia,” says de Leede, “It's great.” Half day stops in places just to say you were there? Not fond of that

sybercecurity 5y ago
I remember taking similar vacations as a kid: traveling the whole time and rarely staying more than one night in the same city. There is an American view of vacations as speedruns, especially among older generations. Maybe coming from the culture where long, international vacations were seen as against the work ethic, expensive, and something to feel guilty about. So there was the perception you had to rush to see it all while you only had a set number of days because you may never get back.
- tenpies 5y ago
  They're still very much alive in the current generation. Keep in mind that a huge amount of millennial and younger vacation in order to work for Likes. They don't really care about anything as long as they can get that really good Instagram post or Tiktok. The speedrun style of tourism that you mention is very much catered to by tour guides and generally emphasizes how cheaply you can get through all these places.
  - vmception 5y ago
    A vast majority of them just have little to no vacation time, just like the older generations. This is an odd thread.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - sorenjan 5y ago
    I've seen articles about similar behavior among Chinese tourists in Austria. Bus load after bus load came to the small picturesque towns, unloaded, took their pictures, and then moved on. An if course Japanese tourists where known for a long time for always taking pictures and video wherever they went.

chrisbigelow 5y ago

alt title: "How to rapidly expand your carbon footprint before you die" "Research shows that cruising emits up to four times more CO2 per passenger than flying. While air travel costs between 0,11 and 0,16 kg per passenger per kilometer – a significant amount -, taking a cruise ship adds up to a staggering 0,40 kilograms per kilometer."[1] [1] https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20cruising%20emits,0%2C40%20kilograms%20per%20kilometer https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/#:~:text....

abyssin 5y ago
While I agree ship cruising is a polluting lifestyle, I think it should be compared to living on land.
- tmountain 5y ago
  It's unequivocally worse. Every single day, cruise ships worldwide emit the same particular matter as a million cars. A single large cruise ship will emit over five tonnes of NOX emissions, and 450kg of ultrafine particles a day. To give you an idea, it emits about the same amount of sulfur dioxide as 3,6 MILLION cars. https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/ https://www.geekyexplorer.com/cruise-ship-pollution/
WithinReason 5y ago
Sure, but also takes ~150 times longer
valgor 5y ago
Came to say this. These are potentially the biggest individual polluters on the planet.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  Private jets are far worse per Capita.

NeoTar 5y ago

I know not everything needs to be about the pandemic, but not to mention it at all in this article seems like a conspicuous gap since a lot of the early super-spreader events were on cruise ships, and my understanding is that the whole industry was on-hold for twelve months.

jonkoops 5y ago

Wow, that is a massive 'fuck you' to the next generation in terms of climate impact.

Shadonototra 5y ago
i disagree, it is actually super optimized, food delivery, food cooking, waste management and ton of other stuff i wonder if a nuclear proposed ship would be a solution to make it carbon neutral in the future
- jacquesm 5y ago
  You missed the 'nearly indentured servitude of the larger portion of the crew'. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-rights/seven-ways-cruise-lines-are-screwing-crew-members/ https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/06/articles/crew-member-r...
- hh3k0 5y ago
  > I disagree, it is actually super optimized […] Well, you live in fantasy land then. > One study found that passengers on a seven-day Antarctic cruise cause as much CO2 to be released as the average European over the course of an entire year. […] While cruise vessels represent only a fraction of the global shipping industry, they account for around a quarter of all the waste produced by the sector, the review found. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-ships-climate-health-impacts-b1928659.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/cruise-shi...
  - Shadonototra 5y ago
    i was talking about the life on the ship, not the carbon footprint of the ship in a city, each individuals uses their car to go buy food, then come back home and use car to go do their other activities, then cook things at home, wasting a ton of resources and producing ton of useless waste something that doesn't happen if you are living on a ship where everything is optimized for the group hence why i then mention if using nuclear propulsion would help fix the latter problem, like submarines

sys_64738 5y ago

> Living aboard a cruise ship doesn’t come cheap. For example, fully furnished residences aboard the MV Narrative cost between $1 million and $8 million, and there are a limited number of 12- and 24-year leases available, which start at $400K. In addition, there are the monthly homeowner's association-style fees, which vary according to the size of a residence and cover everything from ship fuel to housekeeping, as well as all standard food and drink. In essence, it’s a fee similar to the kind of packages that you often pre-pay for on a typical cruise ship. Not possible unless you work for a FAANGO.