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No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail -

No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china-infiltrated-us-classrooms-216327/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr, Tiktok and other social networks - https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/de/security/news/cyber-attacks/us-opm-hack-exposes-data-of-4-million-federal-employees https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/de/security/news/cyber-atta... Inflitrated Australian Government - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/28/world/australia/china-spying-wang-liqiang-nick-zhao.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/28/world/australia/china-spy... Infiltration of UK Higher Ed - https://felixonline.co.uk/issue/1773/news/chinese-infiltration-mi6-say-imperial-academics-could-be-arrested-in-weeks-2 https://felixonline.co.uk/issue/1773/news/chinese-infiltrati... Overt: US Newspapers - https://zeenews.india.com/world/china-daily-paid-us-newspapers-19-million-for-advertising-printing-report-2289019.html https://zeenews.india.com/world/china-daily-paid-us-newspape... Tiktok: https://www.reuters.com/technology/rubio-wants-biden-block-tiktok-after-chinese-government-takes-stake-2021-08-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/rubio-wants-biden-block-t... Zoom (potential massive spying operation) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/18/zoom-helped-china-surveillance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/18/zoom-he... And many more.

ccn0p 5y ago
don't forget the overt "influence the influencer" investments into organizations like the NBA, Disney, etc.
pphysch 5y ago
> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. CCP might be good at this, but this is just laughably wrong. They certainly haven't overthrown anywhere close to as many governments as Washington has since WW2.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  They haven’t been a superpower for nearly as long as the US has been, and it didn’t overlap with the zenith of “overthrowing governments as the means to foreign policy”. Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high, but there’s much less justification for “peacetime repression”. Further still, “overthrowing governments” isn’t the only way to measure meddling and repression.
  - salt-thrower 5y ago
    > Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high Were they, though? Which nation was primarily responsible for escalation of tensions during that time? And for whom were the stakes high enough to justify overthrowing democratic governments in favor of brutal dictators?
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      I'm not defending any particular action, I'm cautioning against context-less comparisons. But to answer your other questions, the stakes were very high for the whole world (global thermonuclear war, communism, etc) and the USSR was primarily responsible for escalating though no doubt the west was not uniformly virtuous. If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals, it's probably not very enlightening to account only for Western errors. You need to account for the errors and contributions of both sides. Unfortunately, this seems like hidden knowledge because virtually this debate is nearly always framed in the "only enumerate Western errors" fashion.
      - pessimizer 5y ago
        > the west was not uniformly virtuous. So not absolutely perfect angels at all times? Harsh criticism. The US started the thermonuclear arms race, and escalated it until it consumed a large part of the economy, based on literal calculated lies about the "missile gap." > If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals The goal should be to point out its dictatorial tendencies, and its preference for predictable dictatorial regimes all over the world that it is willing to spend huge amounts of resources to install and preserve, bathing countries around the world in blood. China is not doing that, Russia is not doing that, Iran is not doing that, North Korea is not doing that.
ericmcer 5y ago
I dunno if the USA is doing similar things but it does feel like we are getting picked apart internally and externally.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  Well from a birds eye view of history, the USA, in particular, most definitely deserves to be meddled with in the same way it has for 100 years. But they are also doing a good job themselves in ungracefully losing its empire.
redisman 5y ago
Why do you think the Five Eyes or Russia for example hasn’t accomplished a similar level of goals?
InitialLastName 5y ago
Somehow, throughout the recent invasion of Ukraine by Russia, the US was able to predict and pre-announce, step by step, the Russian army's plans, moves and goals, at an absurd level of granularity and accuracy. You only see the news cover the people who get caught.
ffwszgf 5y ago
A certain Middle Eastern nation has infiltrated the US government far more successfully than China could ever dream of, and they barely hide it.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  Could you clarify which nation you’re thinking of, here?
  - beepbooptheory 5y ago
    Not gp but they are most certainly talking about Saudi Arabia.
    - geomark 5y ago
      I wouldn't think it's that one. They definitely have huge influence, but the country that I think of as having actually infiltrated the US government is a different one in that part of the world.
  - staticman2 5y ago
    I think poster is referring to the fact that the U.S. gives Israel almost 4 billion dollars in aid a year. It's not that Israel has infiltrated America but instead the fact that American politician do not expect to be electable unless they behave as a "friend to Israel" given certain jewish and christian communities are willing to campaign against politicians on this issue. This means the Israeli representatives can even come to the U.S. and act like belligerent a-holes and the politicians have to put up with it to win elections. If the poster was really suggesting infiltration rather than being sarcastic I would assume they are perhaps trading in antisemitic conspiracy theories.
radicaldreamer 5y ago
The US was doing the same thing for years, cultivating CCP agents from early in their careers and even paying the bribes they needed to rise in the hierarchy. This was supposedly caught when the CIA's information sharing network got busted in China and dozens of agents were killed.[1] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...
- robotnikman 5y ago
  I wonder if this means the tables have turned since then...
kingcharles 5y ago
Read the news for any length of time and it is clear the US and Israelis are top of the game in this. Just the sheer level of intel coming out of Russia over the last decade would lead anyone to believe that half of the Kremlin is on America's payroll.
pessimizer 5y ago
Infiltration is barely an accomplishment. What material things has China done to any other country outside of the ones it has border disputes with, ever? The US has obviously accomplished much more, toppling the governments of dozens of countries, and always credibly threatening and working towards doing it to two or three. The "Overt" campaign you cite against "US Newspapers" consists of buying $19 million of advertorials. That's a billionaire's bar tab.
- astrange 5y ago
  China claims hurt feelings and starts trade retaliations based on wildly false statements anytime another country thinks anything negative about them. They've been doing it to Australia for a few years now over a suggestion their covid policy wasn't the best. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/australia-china-trade-disputes-in-2020.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/australia-china-trade-disput...
null0pointer 5y ago
> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. How would you know? Maybe others just haven't been caught yet. It would be naive to think that China is the only country doing, or attempting to do, this.

ccn0p 5y ago

don't forget the overt "influence the influencer" investments into organizations like the NBA, Disney, etc.

pphysch 5y ago

> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. CCP might be good at this, but this is just laughably wrong. They certainly haven't overthrown anywhere close to as many governments as Washington has since WW2.

throwaway894345 5y ago
They haven’t been a superpower for nearly as long as the US has been, and it didn’t overlap with the zenith of “overthrowing governments as the means to foreign policy”. Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high, but there’s much less justification for “peacetime repression”. Further still, “overthrowing governments” isn’t the only way to measure meddling and repression.
- salt-thrower 5y ago
  > Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high Were they, though? Which nation was primarily responsible for escalation of tensions during that time? And for whom were the stakes high enough to justify overthrowing democratic governments in favor of brutal dictators?
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    I'm not defending any particular action, I'm cautioning against context-less comparisons. But to answer your other questions, the stakes were very high for the whole world (global thermonuclear war, communism, etc) and the USSR was primarily responsible for escalating though no doubt the west was not uniformly virtuous. If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals, it's probably not very enlightening to account only for Western errors. You need to account for the errors and contributions of both sides. Unfortunately, this seems like hidden knowledge because virtually this debate is nearly always framed in the "only enumerate Western errors" fashion.
    - pessimizer 5y ago
      > the west was not uniformly virtuous. So not absolutely perfect angels at all times? Harsh criticism. The US started the thermonuclear arms race, and escalated it until it consumed a large part of the economy, based on literal calculated lies about the "missile gap." > If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals The goal should be to point out its dictatorial tendencies, and its preference for predictable dictatorial regimes all over the world that it is willing to spend huge amounts of resources to install and preserve, bathing countries around the world in blood. China is not doing that, Russia is not doing that, Iran is not doing that, North Korea is not doing that.

ericmcer 5y ago

I dunno if the USA is doing similar things but it does feel like we are getting picked apart internally and externally.

beepbooptheory 5y ago
Well from a birds eye view of history, the USA, in particular, most definitely deserves to be meddled with in the same way it has for 100 years. But they are also doing a good job themselves in ungracefully losing its empire.

redisman 5y ago

Why do you think the Five Eyes or Russia for example hasn’t accomplished a similar level of goals?

InitialLastName 5y ago

Somehow, throughout the recent invasion of Ukraine by Russia, the US was able to predict and pre-announce, step by step, the Russian army's plans, moves and goals, at an absurd level of granularity and accuracy. You only see the news cover the people who get caught.

ffwszgf 5y ago

A certain Middle Eastern nation has infiltrated the US government far more successfully than China could ever dream of, and they barely hide it.

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
Could you clarify which nation you’re thinking of, here?
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  Not gp but they are most certainly talking about Saudi Arabia.
  - geomark 5y ago
    I wouldn't think it's that one. They definitely have huge influence, but the country that I think of as having actually infiltrated the US government is a different one in that part of the world.
- staticman2 5y ago
  I think poster is referring to the fact that the U.S. gives Israel almost 4 billion dollars in aid a year. It's not that Israel has infiltrated America but instead the fact that American politician do not expect to be electable unless they behave as a "friend to Israel" given certain jewish and christian communities are willing to campaign against politicians on this issue. This means the Israeli representatives can even come to the U.S. and act like belligerent a-holes and the politicians have to put up with it to win elections. If the poster was really suggesting infiltration rather than being sarcastic I would assume they are perhaps trading in antisemitic conspiracy theories.

radicaldreamer 5y ago

The US was doing the same thing for years, cultivating CCP agents from early in their careers and even paying the bribes they needed to rise in the hierarchy. This was supposedly caught when the CIA's information sharing network got busted in China and dozens of agents were killed.[1] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...

robotnikman 5y ago
I wonder if this means the tables have turned since then...

kingcharles 5y ago

Read the news for any length of time and it is clear the US and Israelis are top of the game in this. Just the sheer level of intel coming out of Russia over the last decade would lead anyone to believe that half of the Kremlin is on America's payroll.

pessimizer 5y ago

Infiltration is barely an accomplishment. What material things has China done to any other country outside of the ones it has border disputes with, ever? The US has obviously accomplished much more, toppling the governments of dozens of countries, and always credibly threatening and working towards doing it to two or three. The "Overt" campaign you cite against "US Newspapers" consists of buying $19 million of advertorials. That's a billionaire's bar tab.

astrange 5y ago
China claims hurt feelings and starts trade retaliations based on wildly false statements anytime another country thinks anything negative about them. They've been doing it to Australia for a few years now over a suggestion their covid policy wasn't the best. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/australia-china-trade-disputes-in-2020.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/australia-china-trade-disput...

null0pointer 5y ago

> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. How would you know? Maybe others just haven't been caught yet. It would be naive to think that China is the only country doing, or attempting to do, this.