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I'm extremely skeptical of this story, at least as written. It makes great clickbait, but it doesn't really make sense. Where would someone implant a bluetooth
by PragmaticPulp 5y ago
I'm extremely skeptical of this story, at least as written.
It makes great clickbait, but it doesn't really make sense. Where would someone implant a bluetooth earpiece into their ear? There's not really a lot of empty space in that area unless someone is very overweight and the device is implanted in layers of fat adjacent to the ear, which aren't great at conducting sound. Did someone really wrap an earpiece in some bio-compatible material, put it in someone right before the test (battery life is limited), and that person was then in a low enough level of pain and/or on enough painkillers that they could still complete the test? I'm extremely doubtful.
But the bigger question is: What use is a 1-way communication device? Did the student have a second cheating instrument to photograph the test and send it to someone off-site? Or did they have someone with the test answers reading them off in real-time ("Question 34 - Answer is C")? It seems this would only be useful in an extremely narrow set of circumstances, if it could be pulled off at all.
Really though, why wouldn't someone just grow out their hair or wear a wig and put an earpiece under their hair? The idea of surgically implanting something that could be easily concealed seems like a modern urban legend.
- nathanyukai 5y ago1-way communication device are used in cheating all the time, it involves of someone that's really good at exams taking the same test, sneak out to the toilet and tell them the answers.
- cortesoft 5y agoBut aren't these sorts of tests usually randomized so that people next to each other aren't taking the same exact test?
- GekkePrutser 5y agoI've never seen that. Randomised per sitting yes. Within the same sitting no. Usually for important exams the desks are far enough apart.
- Izkata 5y agoIt was done regularly in my highschool in the 2000s, there'd be two or three versions of the test and they'd be distributed randomly. We'd know which one we got because of a label in the corner, which was also how they used the right key for grading. It'd surprise me if such a simple mitigation wasn't done for more important exams...
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- oaktrout 5y agoMedical licensing exams in the US are randomized within the same sitting, even having two examiners in the same room receiving entirely different questions (not just random question ordering).
- ABCLAW 5y agoI've had plenty of professional and academic exams with multiple different versions of the exam with the questions scrambled. I think almost all of my Bachelor level science courses were provided in that way, as well as multiple Bar exams.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoBluetooth range on headsets is pretty mediocre though. Especially when blocked by body parts. I've never done an exam where the toilets were within Bluetooth range.
- pricci 5y agoAnother student had a phone with him/her. It might be tethered to the bluetooth device.
- tempnow987 5y agoMy licensing exam was computer adaptive. We were wanded, turned pockets inside out, videoed. You couldn't eat, take jackets on our off or anything. Lots of rules around how you sat at the table. These must be a fair bit lower tech for the cheating to work. You could wear earplugs and earmuf style sound suppression which I did. Wouldn't be super difficult to have audio in -> but I don't think it would have done much good.
- Scoundreller 5y ago> What use is a 1-way communication device? Lots of dumb questions on exams that are predictable rote dumps that take away from studying other material. E.g. a blank page that asks “Draw and label the Kreb’s cycle. Do not use abbreviations”
- closetohome 5y agoAnother article I found clarified that this was an induction style micro earpiece (which google helpfully suggested suffixing with "for cheating") that had apparently been inserted by an ENT due to its size and depth in the ear canal. No actual surgery involved. Since this is an incredibly common and mundane method of cheating I'd have to say you're right, the headline is entirely clickbait.
- dheera 5y agoI guess my question is, if your body has built-in superpowers like Bluetooth or infrared vision or auxilary information storage, why would it be illegal to use them if it would make you a better doctor? Maybe the tests are not testing the right skills. As a patient I want to see the best doctor possible, and if they have retrofitted their bodies to be more competent at treating conditions I would totally want that.
- thih9 5y agoA bluetooth implant alone doesn’t help that much. To be effective the scam requires more, e.g. continuous assistance from a third party. Will that doctor employ a third party afterwards, i.e. for all duration of their practice?
- munk-a 5y agoFor instance, as a counter example, if you wired your brain up to a hard drive loaded with an immense amount of medical data that you'd be able to access at will for the rest of your life (instead of learning most of that rote knowledge through traditional sources) I wouldn't consider that cheating. Assuming you're still sufficiently good at critical thinking and problem solving then I wouldn't really have any objection to a doctor who keeps his knowledge of the krebs cycle on an instantly accessible external storage device.
- throwaway81523 5y agoI would expect some of this exam is not about rote information but requires actual problem solving. E.g.: patient has XYZ symptoms, what is your diagnosis? By analogy, bringing all the printed books or hard drives you want into a chess match might help you with the opening, but not the rest of the game. These days there are chess engines, but before that, cheating required a human accomplice who was a good player, who knew what was on your board and could tell you the right move. My old club had an incident of a guy doing that using hand signals. Now they won't let you bring any devices at all into chess tournaments, even mechanical wristwatches. A pity. Garry Kasparov famously used to fidget with his watch while playing. You could tell how good his game was by noticing whether the watch was on his wrist or on the table.
- kevinstubbs 5y agoWell if you read the article... “It is very easy to get Bluetooth fitted in the ears. It is attached to the ear temporarily and can be removed. Such a technique was used by a Vyapam scam accused too to clear his medical exam eight years ago.” And the article also mentions that the Indian Supreme Court themselves cancelled the licenses for 634 doctors licenses issued between 2008 - 2013.. some of which used this same technique. How it works, where does it go; I have no idea. But clearly it's not a one-off case. P.S. I think that it's perhaps surgically clipped deep in the inner ear somehow, and not inserted beneath the skin.
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago> Well if you read the article... I did, but how does this: > “It is very easy to get Bluetooth fitted in the ears. It is attached to the ear temporarily and can be removed. …answer the question at all? I’m asking about the “attached to the ear” part and the surgical implant the article talks about without a single detail. Surely if it’s both easy and common then someone should be able to find a picture of the device or the process.
- tourist2d 5y agoWho said it was common?
- sizzle 5y agoWhy not place it into the empty space before your ear drum?
- pkrotich 5y agoI'm skeptical as well... someone saw SpongeBob driving test cheating episode [0] and decided to write an article. [0] - https://youtu.be/Zr7EodmMbmo https://youtu.be/Zr7EodmMbmo
- tomc1985 5y agoMaybe the earpiece transmits sound conductively? When I go to the ENT's office, the audiologist does some tests on me with conductive headphones and usually the point of contact is my skull an inch or two from my ear
- lordnacho 5y agoIt reads like a cultural tall tale to me. First, the subject of Indians cheating on exams is something that surfaces in Western news now and again. It's always said that there's these crazy tough exams that determine your life in India. For instance this guy apparently spent 11 years trying to pass. Totally unlikely, who would do that? The point seems to be to underline the importance of exams in India. Second, the method of cheating is some badly explained but intricate mechanism. Badly explained in that the story is not complete, how exactly is the Bluetooth used? Intricate in that it's some weirdly complicated thing like getting an operation to have this implanted. It's always something that sounds way too complex to be worthwhile. Third, the authority in charge of catching the cheaters seems oddly well appointed. Would you really send a special squad to check these kinds of things? Sure, check for hidden notes and phones. You really gonna check for Bluetooth? I mean maybe but I doubt it. How could the guy have a crazy special plan for implanting the thing in his ear but not have anything other than an ordinary plan for smuggling in the phone? To me it reads like that story of a religious couple that don't know how babies are made. Comes about now and again, makes us chuckle, says something recognisable about society, but ultimately sounds not quite true.
- quenix 5y ago> To me it reads like that story of a religious couple that don't know how babies are made. Which story are you referring to?
- Johnny555 5y agoHere's one of them: https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-couple-doesnt-know-how-to-have-sex-and-make-babies-gets-sex-therapy/245620 https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-couple-doesnt-kn...
- tialaramex 5y agoIt's a recurring urban legend. Here's an example: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/inconceivable-story/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/inconceivable-story/
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- brailsafe 5y agoI'd have to agree. I know enough people with super gauged ears, that the most efficient way to accomplish this would be in plain sight
- lhorie 5y ago"Surgical" doesn't necessarily mean invasive. It's most likely a procedure similar to rhinestone implants[0]. As for why they use a 1-way device: this method of cheating has been around for decades; you get someone to take the test, they leave early and radio answers in. I don't know the specifics for this particular exam, but India is certainly not the only place in the world w/ extremely competitive admission exams. Back in my days back home some twenty years ago, cram schools would be on stand-by outside school doors, they'd smuggle the question sheet out somehow and flash-solve them / publish answers on the spot for publicity. You could get a full answer sheet online from a cram school website before the exam was over (these exams are hours long) and test takers would frequently do so after finishing their exams to see how they did. [0] https://www.bodycandy.com/blogs/news/microdermal-implants-body-jewelry-wave-of-the-future https://www.bodycandy.com/blogs/news/microdermal-implants-bo...
- throwaway81523 5y ago> You could get a full answer sheet online from a cram school website before the exam was over (these exams are hours long) I'm chuckling imagining the 6 hour Putnam exam getting flash solved like that.
- lhorie 5y agoMy understanding is it was an all-hands-on-deck, divide-and-conquer thing. The big brand cram schools had literally hundreds of teachers whose only jobs was preparing students for admission exams. They could easily have each question solved by 5 different teachers in parallel.
- throwaway81523 5y agoI'm STILL chuckling imagining the 6 hour Putnam exam getting flash solved like that.
- mjbeswick 5y agoMost of the commenters clearly haven't heard of induction headsets! In that case the implanted "device" would be a small magnet just inserted into the ear canal, while the bluetooth device is just an induction loop. https://www.ec21.com/product-details/China-Topro-GSM-Induction-Neckloop--8635772.html https://www.ec21.com/product-details/China-Topro-GSM-Inducti...
- WheelsAtLarge 5y ago"What use is a 1-way communication device?" Bluetooth can be 2 ways. But can the implanted device transmit far enough to be picked up by another device or to pick up the sound you are trying to send? Maybe... As far as how to work it, many of these exams are standardized with a set number of questions. Let's say there are 1000 questions all together and you get tested on 100 of the 1000. You can work out a system where you can get the answers with minimum transmission to your confederate. It's a lot of work. It seems easier to just study. One of my economics teacher used to let us fill an index card with information for our exams. We could handwrite as much as we wanted and look at it as much as we needed. So every exam everyone had their card at hand. We would all brag about how small we were able to write. We had to do so much reading and writing to fill up the card that a lot of it stuck in our brain and we hardly needed it. It turned out to be the way he got his students to study. Pretty smart...
- brandall10 5y agoInteresting RE: index card, I had a teacher that allowed us to do the exact same thing. It was hilarious how much students were able to cram.
- alexb_ 5y agoThere was a kid at my school who wrote on both sides, on top of eachother with both red and blue pens. He then brought in red/blue 3d glasses, and would close one eye to filter out red/blue and read the notes.
- tfigment 5y agoHalf my engineering exams were open book. If you did know the material you generally didn't have time to actually look it up so didnt matter.
- ehaughee 5y agoI had an elective class that was open notes/book so I collected all the notes and resources the professor provided, put them into a single PDF, and then just text-searched them in the class. Worked well but the class was a joke and it didn't matter if I left knowing any of the material. Just had to check the box.
- bb88 5y agoImplants have been done before. From 2013: https://www.cnet.com/culture/surgically-implanted-headphones-are-literally-in-ear/ https://www.cnet.com/culture/surgically-implanted-headphones... It's worth noting I've worn a tragus vibrating headphone before, and it works rather well.
- hluska 5y agoI noticed on a second read, that the article jumps between one student and two students. It would be tough to go through fact checking and editing and for that confusion to remain. Anyways, I think you nailed it - I don’t trust the article.
- differentView 5y agoPointing out the flaws of a failed cheating method (he was caught) by a cheater who likely have tried other failed cheating methods ("It was the student’s final attempt on Monday to clear the exam after repeatedly failing it since getting admission into the college 11 years ago.") doesn't prove the cheating didn't happen. He just appears to be both an incompetent medical student and an incompetent cheater.
- michaelt 5y agoI don't think that PragmaticPulp doubts that cheating happens. But "student tries to cheat on important exam" is barely local news, let alone global technology news. The thing that got this to the front page of HN is the specific claim of a surgically implanted bluetooth earpiece. That is what PragmaticPulp is doubtful of. Of course, if the claim was merely that the student was wearing a very small earpiece, such as [1], and that when told to hand it over he claimed it couldn't safely be removed? That would be much more plausible. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/COOMAX-Invisible-Earpiece-Wireless-Earphone/dp/B016ZSD4AI https://www.amazon.co.uk/COOMAX-Invisible-Earpiece-Wireless-...
- rambojazz 5y agoThis to me is a typical case of POGTFO