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Textmate 2 - Alpha this year
- altrego99 15y agoNotepad++.
- datadon 15y agoHardly relevant for a posting about one of the most popular OS X editors. If you'd said 'Sublime Text 2++', you might be a bit more on topic. It'll be exciting to see what this Alpha looks like...it's certainly been a long time coming!
- lazugod 15y ago...runs exclusively on Windows, whereas the existing TextMate runs exclusively on OS X. Different platforms and different audiences, mate.
- mambodog 15y agoIt's good to hear, but it'll have to be pretty damn impressive to retake the ground lost to Sublime Text 2 and vim.
- dorian-graph 15y agoSublime Text2 is really turning out to be fantastic. So many 'little' features that make it nice to use.. though as nice as they are I wouldn't use it without vi key bindings.
- gchandrasa 15y agoSublime Text2 has vintage mode, it's vi mode editing package. http://www.sublimetext.com/docs/2/vintage.html http://www.sublimetext.com/docs/2/vintage.html
- dekz 15y agoWarning, it doesn't always behave like vi. One thing I found was visual mode and pull up, pulls more than just the selected line (seems to be the entire block). Shift-V, j, Shift-J for those who want to confirm.
- netmute 15y agoSublime Texts vintage mode doesn't feel like vim at all. Even basic things like ':x' are missing.
- atourino 15y agoYou can probably implement these things yourself once you notice them missing.
- methodin 15y agoBy the same token it would be a great way for new users to learn vim while maintaining the comforts of ctrl-c ctrl-v and tab indents etc...
- akmiller 15y agoMacVim is great for that (if, of course, you are on a mac). It has all the great vi stuff along with the core OS style commands that everyone is familiar with. I believe gVim on Windows does the same but I'm not positive on that.
- kisielk 15y agoSee :behave mswin
- alexis-d 15y agoHow would you do that? ctrl-v for instance is really useful in Vim.
- dorian-graph 15y agoOh, I'm aware it does. I was implying that as much as I like all the little, nice touches in Sublime Text 2 I still wouldn't use it without vi bindings. I started using it as my main editor after the last update which introduced vintage mode. :)
- trebor 15y agoAnd yet, last I tried the alpha/beta of ST2 I saw that it lacked a project view. That's super handy to me.
- thenduks 15y agoWhat do you mean 'project view'? It has practically the same views and navigation features of TextMate (+ the minimap thing).
- trebor 15y agoI mean that I never found the thing or a place to turn it on. That's why I stopped using Sublime Text 2; I found it's UX to be confused. (Or at least able to produce that feeling in me.)
- thenduks 15y agoView -> Side Bar? Don't get me wrong, though. You don't like it you don't like it. It's all good.
- frio 15y agoI was kind of in the same boat; the UI is there, but the way to open a folder (compared to vim) is semi non-obvious. Project > Add Folder to Project. Once you do that, you get the sidebar view typical of textmate, and the extremely handy Ctrl-(or Command, depending on platform)-P. Slap that combo, start typing in a file, and it'll filter out the one you want from within the project. It makes navigating around for snap edits very quick :).
- trebor 15y agoOh. That seems a bit needlessly complex to me. And I love PeepOpen, which adds this feature to Textmate and several other editors.
- jskinner 15y agoThere are a few ways to add folders: - Drag a folder onto the window from Finder/Explorer - File/Open Folder to open a folder in a new window - Project/Add Folder to Project to add an additional folder to the current window - Via the command line
- ajtaylor 15y agoThis is indeed good news, but I made the switch to vim a couple of months ago.
- gvido 15y agoSame here, I switched to vim when I realized that TextMate 2 was basically the "Duke Nukem Forever" of text editors. I don't think I'll switch back, but I will play around with it and see what was so awesome that took that long to develop.
- oomkiller 15y agoI'll believe it when I see it. Hopefully it doesn't turn out like Duke Nukem Forever did. Also, I really sincerely hope that they'll open source the 1.x version, although if they do ever release 2.0 it might make that more unlikely.
- rnadna 15y agoTM-1 was wonderful, so TM-2 should be fantastic. New users will love it, I'm sure. As for the original TM-1 users, they may just have moved on, after the long wait for their favourite features.
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- holman 15y agoI think a healthy amount of skepticism is good. Just because TextMate was initially good doesn't mean that TextMate 2 will meet everyone's expectations. And like it or not, TextMate 2 will have to live up to everyone's expectations... you can't pre-announce a new version three years in advance and expect everyone to ignore their own expectations. Shipping is important.
- lurch_mojoff 15y agoThree years? Make that five. And every additional year makes your point even more relevant — I can understand, even if it is just subconsciously, that one cannot fit all the things I expect in a 6 or 12 month release cycle. I cannot accept the same for a 60 month cycle, even though I do know that that’s not how software development works (cf. mythical man month, etc.)
- rnadna 15y agoPS. I switched to VIM.
- toksaitov 15y agoToo late. Hooked on Vim.
- diab0lic 15y agoI'm a total vim junkie now. Its available on every OS and sees a lot more development efforts. The only downside is the learning curve but I've already put enough time in that its no longer an issue.
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- sambeau 15y agoI predict an Oct 22nd alpha release date, what with The Rapture booked in for the 21st.
- sthulbourn 15y agoI'll go for a Dec 25th release :P
- evilhackerdude 15y agoDid we just run out of things where everyone though they’d never be released?
- minikomi 15y agoSo what's everyone's "bloodline"? I Can't be the only one who went Coda -> textmate -> macvim -> vim
- yankcrime 15y agoWhat did going from MacVim to vim buy you, exactly?
- rnadna 15y agoOne thing: you don't get used to things that won't work on a tty, e.g. when connecting to another machine over ssh.
- mcobrien 15y agoHappy MacVim user here, but for me replacing TextMate with MacVim led me to replace e-texteditor with gVim when I'm on Windows. I have a shared vimrc I use on ubuntu server too, so it's really all vim. Maybe that's what minikomi meant. As an aside, I wish someone would write a Windows version of vim as good as MacVim. (Yes, I also wish I was talented enough to do it myself.)
- emery 15y agoTerminal integration. Which is invaluable as it's a big waste of time cross referencing your projects acroess different parallel contexes. What's MacVim give you? I never got the point. Everything I've seen also existed in the terminal with a few simple vimrc config. Mouse/trackpad, clipboard integration, OSX commands.
- adriand 15y agoThe experimental renderer in MacVim creates a much more fluid editing experience than Vim, I find. Other than that, I think the only thing I use from time to time that is MacVim-specific is command-S, which aliases nicely to :w or to a file browser where you can enter a file name if the file is unnamed.
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- emery 15y agoAlso got hooked on vim, and couldn't thank Textmate's inactivity more for I may have never been pushed in the right direction and discovered the wonderful efficiency of the vim paradigm. If I were to use Textmate now, it would need to be just a faster vim, with a less clunky vimscript, and it'd need to embed in a terminal, as vim made it possible for me to do everything on the command line and truly use working directories as my sole division between contextual workspaces.
- joelmichael 15y agoTextMate still has the best find-in-project functionality. Sublime Text 2 doesn't compare if you want to rename something throughout the app. As for vim, it's nice when you're in a console, but I don't think it's as pleasant to use. The delay with TextMate has been rather absurd, though. Version 1 goes largely unmaintained (still no full-screen functionality for Lion). The last update was in November of 2010. Before then it was November of 2009.
- acangiano 15y agoI'm not sure if I installed a plugin for it at some point, but I do have full screen support in Lion.
- sudont 15y agoHN discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2889100 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2889100
- trebor 15y agoI think it depends on if you're on "edge"/"nightly" builds. There was an update ~3 months ago, I don't remember what for.
- kennystone 15y agoLearning curve for vim/emacs will always be too steep for most users, regardless of their merits. Big Market for TextMate, and it's pretty darn good at being pretty good.
- burgerbrain 15y agoAre "general users" using textmate though? Vim and Emacs are both primarily programmers' editors, and my impression is that Textmate is as well.
- meatmanek 15y agoStill, Textmate (and ST2 and BBEdit) is nice in that you don't have to go google "Quit Textmate" or read a man page or ask someone on IRC to figure out how to quit the damn program. Other features, like Filter Through Command, are easily discoverable via the menu system. Likewise, configuration options are easily discoverable through the Preferences window. I may be a programmer, but that doesn't mean I want to learn a new language just to use my text editor. Also, I happen to like my scroll wheel.
- posabsolute 15y agoSwitched to Sublime 2, a lot more releases + it's on osx, linux windows, meaning I never have to worry again. Not sure if textmate2 is too late, but it certainly feel like it is, I do not see myself going back there.
- hotice 15y agoWill it finally be available for Linux? If not, I'll stick with Sublime Text 2
- jscheel 15y agoI think everything has been said that can be said about the ridiculously-long release cycle of textmate, but I still don't get what is so great about sublime. The only thing it seems to have over textmate is split panels and the code overview (which looks cool but has never been very practical, at least for me). Am I missing something?
- sgrytoyr 15y agoGoto Anything, multiple cursors, practically no lag when working on remote files, no hangups on files with long lines, set-mark functionality etc. In general, ST2 feels way faster and much more solid.
- alttag 15y agoNot to mention the fact that I can use the same text editor across multiple operating systems.
- gizmo 15y ago1. python console for easy plugins (but Python env is way too stripped down unfortunately) 2. it's fast 3. very good ctags support (jump to definitions between files) 4. go to anything (jump to files) 5. vim-like cursor position stack 6. vertical tabs 7. decent multiple-syntax highlighting (javascript/css in html pages)
- mjs 15y agoWhat do you use for ctags? https://github.com/SublimeText/CTags https://github.com/SublimeText/CTags?
- gizmo 15y agoMostly. I patched that package to support global search (show all tags across all files that roughly match this string) and I fixed a number of bugs where file paths didn't get normalized correctly. And I refactored the indexing logic (moved it to the crontab) so all libraries I use also get indexed properly. Since I use it for Python/Django/CSS/JS work I also had to add some rules to ~/.ctags to correctly identify JS and CSS declarations.
- mhd 15y agoWonder how that works out. It's not just that people are waiting quite a while for an upgrade, it's also about regaining trust that once you get your beta (or even 2.0 final) out, the next pause won't be as long…
- jakemcgraw 15y agomind = blown
- 8ig8 15y agoI've been using Textmate since 2006 and I'm still very happy with it. I'm still learning new tricks. Bundles allow it to keep pace fine for me.
- faizanaziz 15y agoAfter years and years of waiting they decide to tell us something... At least there is hope
- jcromartie 15y agoToo slow! I moved to Emacs back in 2007. I don't think Textmate could win me back at this point. I've taken the red pill.
- marchdown 15y agoKnow any good explanation and comparison of find-in-project features in emacs?
- noelwelsh 15y agotextmate.el is decent. https://github.com/defunkt/textmate.el https://github.com/defunkt/textmate.el
- jcromartie 15y agoFunny :) But, it illustrates that in Emacs you can always steal another editor's best features.
- bad_user 15y agohttp://code.google.com/p/yasnippet/ http://code.google.com/p/yasnippet/
- bretthoerner 15y agohttps://github.com/technomancy/find-file-in-project https://github.com/technomancy/find-file-in-project
- jcromartie 15y agohttp://code.google.com/p/emacs-project-mode/ http://code.google.com/p/emacs-project-mode/
- zacharypinter 15y agoI just setup anything mode yesterday (textmate.el's find in project was too slow) with a gist I found that searches the current git repo: https://github.com/zpinter/emacs.d/blob/master/anything/init.el https://github.com/zpinter/emacs.d/blob/master/anything/init...
- creativityhurts 15y agoIt's a bit too little too late but I'm curious what they'll bring to the game now with so many people converting to Sublime Text 2.
- shawndumas 15y agohttp://www.sublimetext.com/2 http://www.sublimetext.com/2
- Auguste 15y agoHell must be freezing over. 10 June 2011: Duke Nukem Forever released - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Development_of_Duke_Nukem_Forever#Gearbox_revival.2C_2010.E2.80.932011 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Development_o... 12 July 2011: PuTTY 0.61 released - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.html http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.ht... 20 July 2011: "Signs of life from GNU Hurd" - https://lwn.net/Articles/452296/ https://lwn.net/Articles/452296/ 28 July 2011: GNU Emacs developers discover that Emacs has been violating the GPL since 2009 - https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01155.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01... 26 September 2011: Textmate 2 Alpha announced I joked about this on my blog earlier this year, but wasn't expecting it to happen.
- sorbits 15y ago12 August 2011: C++0x approved.
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- dlikhten 15y ago01 December 2011: Microsoft licenses Windows under Apache license. 02 December 2011: Apple announces merger with Exxon-Mobile. All iOS devices now powered by gasoline. On completely unrelated news, price of gasoline jumps from $4/galon to $20.
- zacharypinter 15y ago20 September 2011: The Diablo III Beta Is Now Live
- atomicdog 15y agoFor "friends and family", however.
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- crag 15y agoI don't believe it.
- mickeyben 15y agoah I remember when I was excited http://blog.macromates.com/2009/working-on-it/ http://blog.macromates.com/2009/working-on-it/ :-) Hope the alpha will all make us forget the release time. The bar is very high though.
- juliano_q 15y agoThe discussion at this thread only convinced me to give a try to Sublime Text 2 (currently using Textmate). Never stopped to take a look at it. The vim mode looks nice.
- jsherer 15y agoI don't see this as different than from the last time the developer said "Hopefully an alpha version will be ready before too long..." back in 2009. I hope he proves this wrong, though.
- dadro 15y agoAnyone using Vicoapp? If MacVim and Textmate had a lovechild it would be Vico. TM2 is going to have to be pretty amazing for me to switch.
- calloc 15y agoI've played with Vicoapp but it just didn't work for me, for some reason there was just too much of a disconnect with commands I was used to in vim not working as expected. I haven't tried it lately, might have to give it another go.
- miles_matthias 15y agoAnyone using Kod? (https://github.com/rsms/kod https://github.com/rsms/kod) I love the interface, although it's still in beta and lacks a few handy features.
- bjtitus 15y agoMy issue with Kod is that it hasn't been updated in months. Rasmus is simply too busy to keep the project alive. I've moved to Sublime Text 2 for the most part but you should also look at Chocolat. It's coming along nicely for basic editing.
- patrickg 15y agoSeveral people here mention Sublime Text 2. I can't see code folding (which I really like in TM).
- bjtitus 15y agoAs of a few days ago, code folding was added to Sublime Text (albeit, not too intuitively, yet). http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-2-build-2126 http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-2-buil...
- martingordon 15y agoGiven that 2.0 is labelled as a free upgrade to 1.x users and that the market for TextMate is already saturated (TM users have probably already bought a license and given how poorly TM has been supported, I doubt there are many people switching to TM), I wonder how long it'll be until a paid 2.1/3.0 ships with critical bug fixes and the features 2.0 left out in order to get it out the door.
- abredow 15y agoI think that TM probably made a big mistake by offering a free upgrade to 2.0. Especially given the apparent ambition of the rewrite. Assuming it has some nice new stuff, I, for one, would gladly fork over more money for a 2.0 release.
- adambyrtek 15y agoMaybe it's their way of saying "sorry for the delay"? Rewarding dedicated users with a free upgrade seems like a good idea to me.
- hopeless 15y agoI trialled TextMate v1 but didn't like it enough to pay for unmaintained software. I would consider buying v2 iff it has some sort of release schedule and commitment to maintenance.
- patrickg 15y agoI have paid for TM1 before I got the feeling that it is unmaintained. But I still use TM 1 for 90% of my daily writing work (mostly source code and TeX documents) - I still love it.
- johncoltrane 15y agoA long time ago I left a comment on the macromate's blog voicing my "anger" when TM2 was announced to be "Intel-only" or "Leopard-only" or something like that. I was angry because I felt that forcing their loyal and paid users to buy another OS or, gasp, a new machine just to run their software - a code editor - was not very cool. Other enthusiastic users mocked me for not wanting progress. Ultimately I bought the latest OS I could run on my ageing G5, hoping TM2 would show up soon. But it didn't. In the mean time I switched to Vim AND to Linux after what? 15 years of Mac. After nearly a full year I'm already more productive with it than I ever was with textMate. Ho! I will definetly download the alpha/beta like I did for Coda, Espresso, Vico, Sublime Text 2. TM2 has to be really awesome for me to look around for my license and make me come back.
- james33 15y agoI've always just used Coda since I got a Mac 5 years ago. I haven't had any problems, so I haven't been compelled to switch. However, I keep hearing people talking about Textmate and Sublime. Why should I switch (I've been holding out for Coda 2, but I'm starting to lose hope)?
- moiety 15y agoI'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, as others have mentioned, Sublime Text 2 has won me over.
- steve918 15y agoThis is a truly great troll.
- whalesalad 15y agoHard to believe that I bought my TM license on October 19th 2006. It's been 5 years! I'm looking forward to another 5 years with TM2.
- nestlequ1k 15y agoEveryone I work with is a former textmate user. Seriously, at least a couple dozen people. I know maybe 1 or 2 who are dumb/crazy/lazy enough to keep using it. Not a good retention rate. It was good software, and had great longterm potential. But Allan's personality destroyed it (he's an artist, not a coder). I'm sure there's a great story behind how the project fell into the toilet, I'm looking forward to the book.
- absconditus 15y agoWhy are people dumb/crazy/lazy for continuing to use it? Some of use just want a clean text editor with syntax highlighting and a few other features. Some of us also do not follow Internet drama and know nothing about Allan's personality.
- nestlequ1k 15y agoAgreed, but then you decide to... gasp open jquery.min.js and your text editor decides to crash. Better luck next time.
- Tycho 15y agoI recently stumbled across the RopeMate bundle for TM. For Python it gives you intellisense/code-sense style autocompletion, and also a nifty 'refactor' command (ie. pull the selected code out into a new function which accepts any referenced variables as arguments), replacing the existing code with a call to the new function. Highly recommended.
- billpatrianakos 15y agoI'll never understand why everyone loves TextMate so much. I mean, its a nice text editor but there are much better ones out there. Maybe I'm inexperienced or maybe I work far differently than TextMate users but Espresso is where it's at for me. Actually now there's Chocolat (http://chocolatapp.com http://chocolatapp.com). The alpha is shedding bugs quickly and it's shaping up to potentially be my favorite text editor of all time.
- tectonic 15y agoIn the last year I've moved from TextMate to RubyMine and there is very little that I miss about TextMate, while RubyMine (at least for Ruby) offers so much more.
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