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Updates improve wash efficiency, etc. Not just security updates. Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Maybe there's a better dosing for certain le
by buro9 5y ago
Updates improve wash efficiency, etc. Not just security updates. Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Maybe there's a better dosing for certain levels of water hardness.
But the gist is that it updates the whole module. I'm fine with this, Miele are like Bosch in that they look after the hardware they sell for decades rather than considering it deprecated the day it leaves a shop floor.
- JadeNB 5y ago> Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Ah, fantastic. "Now that we have updated the firmware, we have determined that you need the new proprietary cleaning powder. For your convenience, the dishwasher is disabled until you supply the proper cleaning powder."
- datavirtue 5y agoWe used to get this right before stamping them out in the factory. Instead, everything is all appy now, for the benefit of the manufacturer. They are riding the hype to normalize their shitty behavior. Sort of like when banks inconvenience you for thier sake and say it's to protect you (the person under no risk of liability).
- mburee 5y agoBecause it'd be too easy to just invest some time beforehand to figure out the optimal process beforehand.
- mgkimsal 5y agoMaybe there's some new dirt-sensing algorithms that can use crowd-sourced info to improve the efficiency for your specific dirt patterns and water type and detergent combination.
- liveoneggs 5y agoplease click on three dirty coffee cups
- PebblesRox 5y agoMan if it could sense when the dishes are loaded so poorly that there’s no chance they get clean and just refuse to run until they’re rearranged, that would be so nice!
- destitude 5y agoAmazing anybody had any clean dishes with dishwashers before the advent of the internet and wifi so the dishwasher could connect to them.
- jallasprit 5y agoDoubt they would have any incentives to do anything but the bare minimum considering it doesn't appear to be a paid service?
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoIn theory, but in practice it doesn't actually matter enough for it to make a difference. What software-only advances are being made in wash efficiency these days?
- jerjerjer 5y agoImproved detection of unlicensed dishwasher tablets.
- throwaway2048 5y agoor as Nintendo puts it "Improvements to system stability"
- macinjosh 5y agoRelease notes state they added and extra "dub" to the "scrubba-dub" routine. It is now a scrubba-dub-dub routine.
- mcphage 5y agoRelease Notes v3: Accidentally added too many dubs leading to "scrubba-dub-dub-dub-dub-dub-dub-dub" routine. Rolled back to a reasonable number of dubs.
- noja 5y agoNone, because they didn't have OTA updates... until now!
- mcv 5y agoDo they? Because that's literally the only kind of update I'd be interested in. If they actually regularly improve the way the dishwasher washes dishes, then that justifies the connectivity, but if these updates are rare, then I don't really care about them.
- aenis 5y agoI've used Miele appliances for 3 decades now. Somehow, until recently, they managed to provide excellent quality and durability without spying on their users and releasing half baked firmwares in need of updates.
- ethbr0 5y agoThis is what happens when you hire / promote an overly ambitious VP and don't tell them "No" when they pitch.
- jalk 5y agoThis can easily been spun the other way around: There was a firmware upgrade that would save 10% energy / water / time in certain circumstances, but that evil corp hasn't provided us with a way to upgrade, because they want us to buy a brand new dishwasher.
- aenis 5y agoExcept that they clearly never tried to incentivize customers into frequent upgrades. Quite unlike most other brands that have a habit of dying months out of warranty. Anecdata: In my wive's house, we have a Miele wasching machine from the year 2000. Its been used daily. It is as good as on the day it was purchased - quiet, and does not vibrate even when spinning at its max 1600 rpm. Its pretty amazing. I believe when it was last cleaned they did install new firmware -- though to be entirely hoenest, I doubt a lot of people really know or care how efficient their wasching machines are -- water is way too cheap.
- Sosh101 5y agoThe cynic in me would be really surprised if this were the case. I imagine it's more about collecting data, and updating so it can collect more data, better.
- ballenf 5y agoI would expect them to eventually be pressured into shortening the drying cycle to hit some green goal, making you dry more dishes by hand.
- nsxwolf 5y agoEvery dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.
- sshagent 5y agoIsn't this the truth. Over Christmas family was around and someone loaded the dishwater and put it on economical or whatever the 'easy wash' mode was called, i chuckled knowing they might as well waved the dirty dishes in the sky for an equilavent wash. Its like, why are the other options even there...Intensive wash, every time.
- Scea91 5y agoDoes not match my experience. I have a fairly regular Bosch dishwasher and use the ECO mode almost exclusively without any issues.
- tokamak-teapot 5y agoSame experience here. This can’t be right though. Surely we are the exceptions and there really are idiotic committees forcing manufacturers to include eco settings that don’t work - rather than the other explanation of some dishwashers being crap?
- adhesive_wombat 5y agoMy Mum has a Hotpoint because she skimped on it during a kitchen refit. It's complete crap compared to a mid-tier Bosch: the cleaning is worse, the tablet often gets stuck in the tray, and it doesn't dry properly. That said, even the Bosch needed a new heat pump after 3 years which was an adventure in unreasonably complex disassembly.
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- usrbinbash 5y ago> Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Or it is treated by the same algorithm like all the other cleaning powders, which is: "mix with water then spray through nozzles". Strangly enough, this has worked great for decades without firmware updates. For the longest time it even worked without firmware.
- simplyaccont 5y agomile dishwasher has detergent disk with 400g of powder. amount of powder to be dispensed per cycle is configurable.
- usrbinbash 5y agoMine has a little compartment where I put in a block of pressed powder (a "tab") and then close it. If I want more, I put in 2 tabs. If I want none, I put in no tab. If I want my dishes to smell like soup, I put in a buillon cube. (Not recommended by whoever built the Dishwasher)
- danShumway 5y agoMaybe a silly question, but does Miele require a specific kind of cleaning powder or packet, or does it have an option to tell it what kind of cleaning powder you're using? My dishwasher you just dump any boxed powder in and I can use any brand I want. I'm assuming that for a machine this expensive and geared at long-term usage Miele would have the same capabilities, and it's not like a Keurig thing where the user is forced to use individual pods. But if that's the case then I'm not sure how this would work unless the user enters a config setting or something for what soap they're commonly using. Water hardness the washer could measure itself, I guess. Edit: another commenter below (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30147979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30147979) links to the manual (https://www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070/10546880-000-01_10546880-01.pdf https://www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070/10546880-000-01_1...), which answers most of these questions.
- simplyaccont 5y agoit's manual for older miele. in new one you can either use standard detergent (pod, liquid, powder) or you can insert special 400g disc of powder and it was be auto-dispensed
- buro9 5y ago> does Miele require a specific kind of cleaning powder or packet No. But they do have an auto-dosing capability on some models that take a disk and dispense the right amount of powder for the given wash. Which? reviewed this and concluded it's a gimmick: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/09/is-this-miele-dishwasher-feature-just-an-expensive-gimmick/ https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/09/is-this-miele-dishwashe... . I agree with this verdict. The washing machine auto-dosing though... that isn't as bad, being more cost-efficient overall. My take on it all: Miele dishwashers are so-so... their washing machines and fridges excellent, the ovens above average, the hobs exceptional, the hoods well made but over-priced.
- simplyaccont 5y agoEntire dishwasher it's a gimmick. you can wash dishes yourself. or you can use dishwasher in order to save some time. same with auto-dosing - it's a convenience and it's really convenient. with regards to pricing: machine comes with 6 disks. You can refill them later with usual powder in a couple of minutes. Another gimmick that machine has, it's auto-opening at the end of the cycle in order to vent off steam. I had many different dishwashers over the years, but Miele one is so far the best I ever had
- kragen 5y agoThere's no particular incentive for the changes made after the sale to improve functionality, particularly if the nominal owner of the machine can't detect them. If your wash efficiency is better this month than last month, wouldn't you like to know what change caused that? How about if it's worse? What if it accidentally breaks your dishwasher? Or the new, more efficient settings no longer get your dishes fully clean? I don't think there's a terribly strong incentive for Miele to actively break their customers' deployed machines, since those customers might buy a Bosch next time, but there isn't a terribly strong incentive for them to improve them either. There is a strong incentive for Miele to find ways to sell their customers' personal information, for example to insurance companies, collection agencies, or police forces, and this is functionality that can be added later in a firmware update. Better to leave update functionality under the control of the people who are most directly affected by it: the users.