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Anyone want to guess as to why? Here is my guesses: * iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use

Anyone want to guess as to why? Here is my guesses: * iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. * Affordable. iPhone SE is $400 which is still expensive, many parents may see that as affordable for their teen * Parental controls. Apple has a staggering number of parental controls, does Android match this in terms of features and ease of use?

chemmail 5y ago
$400 is really good. anyone who argues with that has not seen the price of shoes nowadays.
hippich 5y ago
That what always confused me... being "in" - i understand, but how one can be "cool" doing the same thing as 87% of everybody? =)
- mocheeze 5y ago
  Because if you're "out" then you're "uncool."
  - hippich 5y ago
    perhaps it is just mental block... but i can't see how you can be "out" of 87%. it is approximately everybody. If anything, if you are not part of it, you are actually "in" in much smaller group and that's where cool badge (should be?) applied.
- tail_exchange 5y ago
  If I remember from my time in school, the secret is to do it while pretending to be different than everyone else. Jokes aside, being cool is not about being different than everyone else - that's what an outcast is.
  - vannevar 5y ago
    Right--being cool is being different from people outside of your particular clique. It's a group of people all being different in the same ways. Goths, punks, jocks, etc.
    - smabie 5y ago
      While that's certainly an aspect, "cool" people can be identified by others even in the in-group. Usually it's related to them having genuine authenticity vs a "poser" who is distinctly uncool.
      - vannevar 5y ago
        Sure, there is social hierarchy within the tribe. But the tribe members all share a common culture. The phone isn't necessarily about being cool, it's about conforming to the rest of the tribe. A tribe that all uses Android is possible, but the interlocking nature of social networks combined with a teen's heightened sensitivity to being an outsider creates a stronger "winner-take-all" mechanism in teen social networks compared to adults.
    - hippich 5y ago
      a group of 87% is no longer a "group" in my opinion. It is "the rest".
      - vannevar 5y ago
        The group isn't defined by the phone, it's defined by the relationships. The phone is just along for the ride. Think of it as an aggressive virus that displaces weaker ones in the social network.
Zircom 5y ago
>iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. My girlfriend is 21 and often doesn't add me to groupchats when we're organizing stuff with friends solely because the messages will be green instead of blue.
- mishftw 5y ago
  It's the network effect. I suffer from this too. If only Apple would adopt RCS but they won't because they like their walled garden.
  - MBCook 5y ago
    Ignoring some things I would consider flaws (lack of end-to-end encryption right now), from what I’ve read it sounds like the rollout of RCS has been something between a mess and a disaster if your friends are on another carrier. It sounded like it got to the point where phone companies were delaying so long (at least in the US) that Google is basically forcing their hand by doing everything themselves if the carriers don’t. Meanwhile iMessage has been running for 10 years. That said I agree with you that I see basically no reason for Apple to add it. That’s up there with iMessage for Android in probability.
    - dwaite 5y ago
      I could see Apple adding iMessage support to more platforms if they can use it to tie into service offerings. However, I doubt people on other platforms would really appreciate it, because the level of integration won't be there.
- mattl 5y ago
  You should get an iPhone and stop being left out.
  - recursive 5y ago
    I wouldn't want to pay money to the party that created the problem in the first place.
vannevar 5y ago
>Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. This factor alone probably explains why teenagers amplify Apple's market advantage. They have a stronger impulse for conformity with their peers: ie, they tend to all use the same phone as their friends. Coupled with the fact that most of them have more than one social group they identify with, it makes it unlikely that a social subnetwork of teens all using Android could survive the competing peer pressure from neighboring connected social iPhone subnetworks.
yftsui 5y ago
In the US, iPhone SE is not $400, there are numerous carrier selling refurbished iPhone SE for about $120 and brand new for $180 with 3 months of service. Thus iPhone even brand new is not as expensive as it appears on Apple website.
throw0101a 5y ago
> iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. It was the same thing with MSN Messenger (when Millennials were teenagers) and with BBM was well. In certain locales the same thing is true with WhatsApp.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
> Affordable. iPhone SE is $400 which is still expensive, many parents may see that as affordable for their teen Especially amortized over the longer life of the device; $400 over 5 years is only $80/yr and iPhones can reasonably last that long
silisili 5y ago
Never used an Iphone, but am impressed with parental control features on Android via Family Link. Very configurable - can do the basics like block apps and request permission for app installs, time limits, etc. But really like how you can both have time limits but exempt apps(for more time or forever). So I can let the kid listen to music before bed, but not say, open YouTube. Sorry if that all sounds basic to you, I'm new to this and just speaking from the Android front.
benhurmarcel 5y ago
> Affordable Not really, that’s the main reason why iPhones aren’t very popular outside the US. I can get 2 good Xiaomi phones for the price of an (outdated) iPhone SE. I’d love to get my parents and grand-parents on iPhones to simplify their life but at that price that’s not happening.

chemmail 5y ago

$400 is really good. anyone who argues with that has not seen the price of shoes nowadays.

hippich 5y ago

That what always confused me... being "in" - i understand, but how one can be "cool" doing the same thing as 87% of everybody? =)

mocheeze 5y ago
Because if you're "out" then you're "uncool."
- hippich 5y ago
  perhaps it is just mental block... but i can't see how you can be "out" of 87%. it is approximately everybody. If anything, if you are not part of it, you are actually "in" in much smaller group and that's where cool badge (should be?) applied.
tail_exchange 5y ago
If I remember from my time in school, the secret is to do it while pretending to be different than everyone else. Jokes aside, being cool is not about being different than everyone else - that's what an outcast is.
- vannevar 5y ago
  Right--being cool is being different from people outside of your particular clique. It's a group of people all being different in the same ways. Goths, punks, jocks, etc.
  - smabie 5y ago
    While that's certainly an aspect, "cool" people can be identified by others even in the in-group. Usually it's related to them having genuine authenticity vs a "poser" who is distinctly uncool.
    - vannevar 5y ago
      Sure, there is social hierarchy within the tribe. But the tribe members all share a common culture. The phone isn't necessarily about being cool, it's about conforming to the rest of the tribe. A tribe that all uses Android is possible, but the interlocking nature of social networks combined with a teen's heightened sensitivity to being an outsider creates a stronger "winner-take-all" mechanism in teen social networks compared to adults.
  - hippich 5y ago
    a group of 87% is no longer a "group" in my opinion. It is "the rest".
    - vannevar 5y ago
      The group isn't defined by the phone, it's defined by the relationships. The phone is just along for the ride. Think of it as an aggressive virus that displaces weaker ones in the social network.

Zircom 5y ago

>iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. My girlfriend is 21 and often doesn't add me to groupchats when we're organizing stuff with friends solely because the messages will be green instead of blue.

mishftw 5y ago
It's the network effect. I suffer from this too. If only Apple would adopt RCS but they won't because they like their walled garden.
- MBCook 5y ago
  Ignoring some things I would consider flaws (lack of end-to-end encryption right now), from what I’ve read it sounds like the rollout of RCS has been something between a mess and a disaster if your friends are on another carrier. It sounded like it got to the point where phone companies were delaying so long (at least in the US) that Google is basically forcing their hand by doing everything themselves if the carriers don’t. Meanwhile iMessage has been running for 10 years. That said I agree with you that I see basically no reason for Apple to add it. That’s up there with iMessage for Android in probability.
  - dwaite 5y ago
    I could see Apple adding iMessage support to more platforms if they can use it to tie into service offerings. However, I doubt people on other platforms would really appreciate it, because the level of integration won't be there.
mattl 5y ago
You should get an iPhone and stop being left out.
- recursive 5y ago
  I wouldn't want to pay money to the party that created the problem in the first place.

vannevar 5y ago

>Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. This factor alone probably explains why teenagers amplify Apple's market advantage. They have a stronger impulse for conformity with their peers: ie, they tend to all use the same phone as their friends. Coupled with the fact that most of them have more than one social group they identify with, it makes it unlikely that a social subnetwork of teens all using Android could survive the competing peer pressure from neighboring connected social iPhone subnetworks.

yftsui 5y ago

In the US, iPhone SE is not $400, there are numerous carrier selling refurbished iPhone SE for about $120 and brand new for $180 with 3 months of service. Thus iPhone even brand new is not as expensive as it appears on Apple website.

throw0101a 5y ago

> iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. It was the same thing with MSN Messenger (when Millennials were teenagers) and with BBM was well. In certain locales the same thing is true with WhatsApp.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

> Affordable. iPhone SE is $400 which is still expensive, many parents may see that as affordable for their teen Especially amortized over the longer life of the device; $400 over 5 years is only $80/yr and iPhones can reasonably last that long

silisili 5y ago

Never used an Iphone, but am impressed with parental control features on Android via Family Link. Very configurable - can do the basics like block apps and request permission for app installs, time limits, etc. But really like how you can both have time limits but exempt apps(for more time or forever). So I can let the kid listen to music before bed, but not say, open YouTube. Sorry if that all sounds basic to you, I'm new to this and just speaking from the Android front.

benhurmarcel 5y ago

> Affordable Not really, that’s the main reason why iPhones aren’t very popular outside the US. I can get 2 good Xiaomi phones for the price of an (outdated) iPhone SE. I’d love to get my parents and grand-parents on iPhones to simplify their life but at that price that’s not happening.