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Staggering stat: 87% of U.S. teenagers have iPhones
- celim307 5y agoI have an iPhone SE and it’s still the best phone I’ve ever used, simply because it just works, and I know it will for years to come. Every android I had died/missed updates less than 2 years after I bought it, exception to the original moto x that was the pinnacle of android for me
- raziel2p 5y agoI was a huge fan of both the Moto line and the SE - but I'm currently using the Google Pixel line and it's my favorite so far.
- behnamoh 5y agoIt won't work for much long. I have a 4s on iOS 6, and I literally can't install any apps on it. Worse yet, almost all web apps don't work on its stock safari.
- MBCook 5y agoDepends on which one. The iPhone 6 lost support in 2020 or 2021. The original iPhone SE (the little one from 2016) is equivalent to a 6s (both use A9) and it’s widely expected that Apple will drop support this year. However the newer/bigger iPhone SE that was released in 2020 has the same chip as the iPhone 11, the A13. It should still be good for many years.
- gruez 5y agoI feel like there was an inflection point a few years ago where smartphones were fast enough that even half a decade of OS updates couldn't cripple it. I distinctively remember all the iphone 3GS/4/4S out there that were unusable after 3-4 years of updates. Whereas iPhone 6s/SE (they use the same chipset) after 5 years of updates is very usable. The difference is day and night.
- dwaite 5y agoWhy did you stay on such an ancient OS? You likely are using a version of the App Store which doesn't support pinning older OS releases on older app releases either -as soon as they released a build for iOS 7, the iOS 6 version would no longer be accessible. You are also missing about seven years of security updates, including several browser-accessible remote exploits. Not using Safari would be a good idea.
- celim307 5y agoI’m using the 2018 se
- quaffapint 5y agoWhen you "need" to get your whole family phones, Iphones (even the SE) are too $$. We just get a new Moto G phone every other year. They're $150 each and are great for what they do. Someone breaks it or whatever, you're not out a fortune.
- smabie 5y agoYou can get refurbed old iPhones that work relatively well (definitely better than Moto Gs) for a similar price.
- schappim 5y agoThe direct link to the Survey Data: https://piper2.bluematrix.com/docs/pdf/3bad99c6-e44a-4424-8fb1-0e3adfcbd1d4.pdf https://piper2.bluematrix.com/docs/pdf/3bad99c6-e44a-4424-8f... Key line: "87% of teens own an iPhone and 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone; Apple is No. 1 watch brand for first time" Also of note: "Cash is (still) king for teens as top payment method followed by Apple Pay"
- babl-yc 5y ago"Teens’ favorite celebrity is Adam Sandler" I confirmed this report is indeed for 2021
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- propogandist 5y ago>Piper Sandler does and seeks to do business with companies covered in its research reports. As a result, investors should be aware that the firm may have a conflict of interest that could affect the objectivity of this repo so a PR and sales document >Survey is executed in partnership with DECA and nothing on the survey methods or details beyond this ambiguous statement
- nefitty 5y agoWhen I was a teenager I worked at a phone survey company. I quickly realized that many of my colleagues were making up answers to hit their targets. I somehow did well for my first day, getting through 3 50-question surveys. It was not enough. I was sent home halfway through the day. I was supposed to tell them it was my first day so they would be lenient but I wanted to go drink beer instead.
- bitwize 5y agoIf you're still rocking green bubbles, she's out of your league.
- celim307 5y agoIdk why people are downvoting you, There’s tons of social pressure for young kids to fit in and the green bubble is such a loud marker that kids will beg their parents just to get away from it
- lwansbrough 5y agoYep. It’s also sort of an indicator that you won’t be able to read all social queues, such as being left on read. So it’s practically a social disability to not have iMessage.
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- RedBeetDeadpool 5y agoAnd if your daughter has green bubbles, all the mean girls are talking trash behind her back. I don't need statistics to know there's a teen who committed suicide because of it.
- jeffbee 5y agoThe parental controls on iPhone actually work, unlike on Android. I found it very easy to setup my daughter's iPhone so it just can't be unlocked during school on school days. The only way I could figure out how to do this on Android was using apps that wanted high privilege levels, which I just wasn't going to do. Plus, my kids already know how to use an iPad, so iOS was a no-brainer. The kids use Chromebooks all day long and all the apps on their phones are Google apps, so it's not like Apple has some kind of monopoly on their virtual lives.
- ars 5y agoIt most certainly works just fine on Android. Family Link is excellent - better than what an iPhone has because it tracks more stuff, and is more fine grained. You can lock specific apps, with time slots and max time for each app.
- tsuujin 5y agoHaving used both systems, have to say that the iPhone parental settings are just leagues ahead of android. It is dead simple to set and view usage based on app or category, and setting overrides just seems to work.
- kyrra 5y agoWhen did you last use family link?
- ghotli 5y agoJust another report that Family Link works flawlessly and overall I'm not sure what the grandparent comment is referring to
- dusing 5y agoHow did you lock it like that, I’m not aware of that being an option in screen time. Thanks.
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- nickphx 5y ago87% of 10,000 that were surveyed..
- derwiki 5y ago10000 seems statistically significant
- yarky 5y agoWay better than the n=30 they teach in stats 101 anyways
- yarky 5y agoNot sure what your point is, but that's exactly how surveys work : take a sample of size n (10000) and do some statistical inference based on the observed statistic, i.e. either reject or accept a hypothesis based on the sample.
- skinnymuch 5y agoIt’s hard to survey 22M teens[0] [0] https://www.statista.com/topics/1063/teenagers/ https://www.statista.com/topics/1063/teenagers/
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- ktta 5y agoMy opinion is that the "green bubble" risk is too great for teens to take, and that alone is responsible for iPhone hedgemony. No, I am not joking. Even as someone in my mid-20s, I get asked about why I use an Android device
- sovnade 5y agoIt's crappy but it turns the entire imessage group chat into regular SMS group chat. I have an iphone now because the rest of my family does and they didn't want to lose imessage functionality by having me in the group chat.
- tryptophan 5y agoOr you could just download Telegram/Signal/Whatsapp/Matrix/FBmessenger. It is so baffling that downloading an app is where people draw the line and would prefer to spend hundreds of extra dollars instead.
- MattGaiser 5y agoBecause it isn't one app. You have to have them all.
- detaro 5y agoInstalling an app isn't the problem. Getting everyone else to install the app is the problem (and their choice isn't "app or money", but "install app and switch everyone over or just exclude/mock the weirdo with the low-class phone"). If you're somewhere where everybody is on Whatsapp/Facebook/... it's similar struggle with people to switch to something else you prefer (e.g. for me iMessage never was topic because just not enough relevant people had iOS for them to build an expectation that everyone has it. But there was a phase where getting people to accept that not everybody has Facebook was kind of annoying)
- arn 5y agoI'm curious what the percentage of Journalists use iPhones primarily... because in my experience it's high, and I believe that affects dev decisions to target which platform first. If you launch an android-only app, how much of your press-audience are you excluding?
- dnissley 5y agoAre there actually any publications without a web presence that only have apps?
- nvr219 5y agoNo
- MattGaiser 5y agoCould just be that iPhone earns more app revenue. https://www.dignited.com/48795/why-do-ios-apps-generate-more-revenue-than-android-apps/ https://www.dignited.com/48795/why-do-ios-apps-generate-more...
- shmerl 5y agoDo they actually mean iPhones or any smartphones? Such kind of titles can be very misleading because it's not uncommon to use incorrect terms. If the title is correct - it's pretty bad. 87% market share for Apple in any demographic is horrible.
- spoonjim 5y agoNot surprising though. Apple's hardware and software quality are way better than anything you get with Android, the only place some Android handsets are ahead is the camera. And the Apple stuff isn't any more expensive (iPhone SE 2020 is available for $399).
- modeless 5y agoHardware yes. Software is debatable. iOS quality is not as good as it used to be. Android is actually better in some significant ways. It depends what you care about.
- shmerl 5y agoI'd argue it's not better in either case. It's a lot more marketing than actual value. Plus they use all kind of sick lock-in tactics to entrench their position. They are like MS from the '90s in that sense.
- fsagx 5y agoAnyone staggered by that info doesn't spend much time around teens. My children's first phones were androids (I'm a horrible parent). They got their iPhones as their second phones.
- megabiteg 5y agoNice redemption story
- aero-glide2 5y agoSad :( wish more people embrace open systems
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- thatswrong0 5y agoWho needs an “open system” when you can have blue texts
- mattl 5y agoLike what? There’s no realistic Linux phone and the alternative is an Android phone that doesn’t get updates after a couple years.
- aero-glide2 5y agoMany samsung phones get 4-5 years. Pixel too.
- mattl 5y agoAnd are those really open?
- aero-glide2 5y agoMore open. Not forced by Apple to use a single store.
- CameronNemo 5y agoPixel devices can have after market OS images flashed. Samsung devices are locked up.
- mattl 5y agoTeenagers just want a phone. Most don’t want to flash images.
- droptablemain 5y ago"Methodology: The survey was conducted Aug. 17–Sept. 16. 10,000 teens were surveyed in 44 states with an average household income of $67,755."
- yenwodyah 5y agoOnly about $200 more than the national median household income https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...
- sofixa 5y agoThe study mentions average, not median, which is bound to significantly distort.
- TrackerFF 5y agoI, for one, was shocked to see how well iPhones (and Apple products in general) held their value on the used market. People are still willing to pay decent money for a 3-5 year old phone or laptop...sometimes as much, or even more, than their much more recent and powerful competitors from other brands.
- ralusek 5y agoApparently it's very important to not be a "green bubble bitch" in the dating sphere. I don't know why the assumption is that if you have an Android, you're broke, but I have heard women say unironically that a green bubble is a red flag for their safety. As an Android user, I'm happy to not be in the dating market.
- MerelyMortal 5y agoThey can use that filter all they want. It's less filtering I will have to do, to not date shallow people.
- CameronNemo 5y agoWhat about when you meet someone you like, but her friends are all telling her you are trouble because of the green bubbles.
- MerelyMortal 5y agoSame thing. If she can be swayed by such a petty thing, then I'm glad she filtered herself out rather than me wasting time and money to find out later that she's easily swayed by petty things and is a bad judge of character (keeping terrible friends). The people that are willing to filter me out are exactly the people I don't want to date.
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- jimmar 5y agoMy daughter just got an iPhone for Christmas--it was my wife's old iPhone 6s. Over 6 years old and other than shorter battery life, it works fine. Every Android device (tablet or phone) I've had has ended up in a junk drawer much sooner than the Apple devices I've purchased.
- selimthegrim 5y agoI was in the DC Carnegie Apple Store and the personnel made fun of me for having a 6s. They were like "Wow, I haven't seen one of these forever?!?!?"
- mattl 5y agoI should bring in my Pismo running Mac OS 9.2
- selimthegrim 5y agoMy response to them (I was evacuated from Ida at the moment and getting my phone battery replaced with FEMA money) was "Oh, you know, we in New Orleans are so grateful to have any technology at all...."
- behnamoh 5y agoThat's so rude. I'm sure you can contact Apple support so that they won't do it to others.
- TheRealNGenius 5y agothat seems more like an innocuous comment to me. says more about gp's character to assume negative intentions
- selimthegrim 5y agoYou had to be there and hear the tone. I didn't hold anything against her it was just that the wow was way too drawn out to be funny IMO
- post_break 5y agoiMessage and parental controls are the glue holding them to iPhones. Sure there are other very good reasons but I bet 90% of the iPhone pull is iMessage.
- joeman1000 5y agoI think a lot of the allure is brand recognition, along with better UI. When I have to use an android I’m always taken back by how clunky it feels. Android phones also have the (potentially overblown) stigma of being cheap, or owned by tight-arse people. It partly deserves this association. The lack of final polish on a lot of the software and hardware over the years has gradually pushed people over to iPhones. The experience on an iPhone is consistent, the hardware is always good, the ‘prestige’ is there too.
- tssva 5y agoI find it hard to believe it is better UI. Whenever I have to use an iPhone I am tempted to throw it against the closest wall due to frustration with the horrible UI.
- asperous 5y agoAnyone want to guess as to why? Here is my guesses: * iMessage. Teenagers are pretty social and try hard to fit in. Teens may feel more "cool" and "in" to use the same type of device, and iMessage also cements that. * Affordable. iPhone SE is $400 which is still expensive, many parents may see that as affordable for their teen * Parental controls. Apple has a staggering number of parental controls, does Android match this in terms of features and ease of use?
- chemmail 5y ago$400 is really good. anyone who argues with that has not seen the price of shoes nowadays.
- hippich 5y agoThat what always confused me... being "in" - i understand, but how one can be "cool" doing the same thing as 87% of everybody? =)
- mocheeze 5y agoBecause if you're "out" then you're "uncool."
- hippich 5y agoperhaps it is just mental block... but i can't see how you can be "out" of 87%. it is approximately everybody. If anything, if you are not part of it, you are actually "in" in much smaller group and that's where cool badge (should be?) applied.
- tail_exchange 5y agoIf I remember from my time in school, the secret is to do it while pretending to be different than everyone else. Jokes aside, being cool is not about being different than everyone else - that's what an outcast is.
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- crehn 5y agoNot surprising. Android software and hardware UX is typically subpar, with very little attention to detail, and things just feel out-of-touch and made by engineers and marketing bots. My hypothesis is all these things contribute to a lack of "coolness" (for lack of better word), which has a tremendous impact on the market.
- ekianjo 5y ago> Android software and hardware UX is typically subpar, with very little attention to detail, and things just feel out-of-touch and made by engineers and marketing bots. My hypothesis all these things contribute to a lack of "coolness" (for lack of better word), which has a tremendous impact on the market. It goes the other way around as well. If you are used to Android you will be very disappointed by the lack of customization available on iOS. I know I can't stand to use an iphone because of that.
- rsanek 5y agoAs a decade long Android user that switched to iPhone when the 13 came out, I was expecting that but I've actually been pleasantly surprised. The new shortcuts app in iOS offers a surprising amount of customizability and scripting. True, you can't replace the entire launcher like with Android, but I've found it to be much less of a difference than I thought.
- MBCook 5y agoApple has slowly been improving that over the years. You’re right, it’s not to Android levels, but it’s not what it was five years ago when it was totally locked down.
- notreallyserio 5y agoI thought I'd be disappointed after moving to iOS but it turned out I didn't need as many customizations as I'd thought. The defaults are mostly pretty good.
- crate_barre 5y agoI hate to break it to you but it probably has nothing to do with that. We’re talking about a demographic that wants to fit in more than any sycophant humble bragger on LinkedIn. The most likely reason is certain crowds in school have iPhones. Maybe the broke ass kids have that shoddy cheap Android. That’s like wearing Payless or knock-off sneakers. No, not me, everyone’s got Jordans mom, and the new iPhone dad. It’s almost like you don’t care about me and want me to be seen as a loser in school. Gosh.
- peterashford 5y agoI'm sceptical.
- toomanydoubts 5y agoHello, sceptical, nice to meet you.
- peterashford 5y ago=) Hi dad
- obblekk 5y agoAlso worth considering that a 3-4yr old iPhone is quite usable without much noticeable lag (maybe just need to replace battery for $50). 3-4yr old androids have been, in my very anecdotal experience, completely unusable (software bugs that’ll never be fixed, battery drain from OS updates released after manufacture year). If I were to give a 13yr old a phone, I’d probably give them my used one, and then survival bias would mean they probably get an iPhone since more of them survive in a very usable state. My dad actually likes Touch ID so much he uses a 5yr old iPhone 7 daily. Just replaced the battery for the 3rd time out of pocket.
- Kye 5y agoI bought my 2015 6S Plus in 2018 and it still works fine and gets updates in 2022. This was after a string of Androids, none much cheaper than the iPhone, that were out of support almost as soon as they launched. I got tired of the ever-growing list of patched vulnerabilities and missing features in newer Androids.
- tonyedgecombe 5y agoI'm still on the original battery on my 7 after nearly five years.
- enigma20 5y agoI'm the Android user myself since 10 years already, was using Google Nexus phones, some mid-range OnePlus. Recently got the OnePlus 8, which got quite a few updates since beginning of this year, and I'm already tired of it. Applications won't start that fast anymore. Camera application is starting with a huge delay when triggered from the lock screen. If I buy and Android phone again, I think I will never install any system updates. Or will switch to iPhone. This is sad.
- SkyPuncher 5y agoI've been an Android fanboy, but I'm starting to hit a point that I'll probably switch to iPhone. Like clockwork, my Android phone becomes unstable after about 2 years. Everything slows down, lock ups happen more frequently. On top of that you have constant tweaks and changes - often on useless things. This year, an update "improved" the clock app. It's now harder to set alarms - and about once per week I get an alarm going off without any UI to disable it. I just have to reset my phone. Why in the world does a stable, reliable feature like the clock app suddenly introduce a major change.
- xyst 5y agoThis is why I build for iOS first, then Android.
- iqanq 5y ago>They care about sustainability: 51% of teens have purchased secondhand items and 62% have sold things they own, per the survey. No, they are poor so they simply can't afford new things.
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- bombcar 5y agoYeah that’s the most optimistic reading I’ve ever seen of “they went to goodwill and also sold something to a friend”.
- Spivak 5y agoI’m dying at how wrong this take is. One because it implies a world view where new is somehow better (with vague insinuations that “not poor” wouldn’t buy used) and because you’re ignoring how hugely successful Depop and the like along with upscale secondhand shops are to well to do young people. I have a lot of the same motivations — I have plenty of money, could buy anything I want brand new within reason. Yet almost everything I own is secondhand — my phone, laptop, tv, clothes, car, cookware, records, guitar, furniture, picture frames, headphones, camera. I’m not even particularly environmentally conscientious or frugal compared to my peers. For me it’s bit of sustainability, a lot of being frustrated at how much waste comes from new things, a good bit of “good god why are new literally cut every corner”, and a lot of fuck capitalism and this consumerist bullshit.
- thirdsun 5y ago> I have plenty of money, could buy anything I want brand new within reason. Most people can't and that's exactly why they buy second hand. Turning this into a decision driven by concerns about sustainability seems very optimistic to me. Your concerns are admirable but I wager most people have more immediate aspects to consider - like being able to afford these things at all.
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- sigmar 5y agoWhat percentage of 13 y/o kids lie about what phone they own to an online survey?
- funOtter 5y agoHow is it only 87%?
- timbit42 5y agoBecause not everyone is a sheep.
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- samplatt 5y agoLate 30's entering the dating scene for the first time was a shock. A couple 20-something's outright stating that they won't date "broke-ass" Android users. Bitch, this flagship costs MORE than your piece of fruit.
- mohanmcgeek 5y agoEvery single highschooler that i know in the US has a pixel and not an iPhone. They literally told me that iphones are for "old people" The Chromebooks at school are having their effect
- MBCook 5y agoIf 87% have iPhones, there could easily be cliques or even entire bubbles (school/community) where Android is bigger.
- dcchambers 5y agoWhile I didn't know the actual percentage, this has been obvious for years. And this fact should scare Google, Samsung, LG, anyone that's not Apple to death. Maybe Google less-so, since hardware sales are barely a drop in the bucket for them compared to their other revenue, and these kids are still using many google apps even on iphones, but the other hardware companies have good reason to be worried. Mobile is everything, and no one can make any headway against Apple. Apple and iPhones are just too "cool" - and the iMessage and facetime lock in is very, very real.
- CameronNemo 5y agoGoogle should be worried. If you aren't shipping hardware, you don't control the platform. Someone will be charging you rent.
- analog31 5y agoThere's the old saying, "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." If you have the same stuff that everybody else is using, and something goes wrong, it's the fault of that thing, and it's OK. But if you get your own weird stuff and something goes wrong, it's your fault, and is especially shameful if it looks like you were trying to be cheap.
- ok_dad 5y agoI switched to iPhone recently. I like it. My phone will get security updates for more than the very few years my pixel got. Everything is very well integrated in the software, and very easy to use. I don’t need 5 chat apps. There are more cool cases. The camera is better. It’s easier to share things, like location and photos and etc, with my wife and family. They don’t seem to change the ui too much since it’s basically the same as when I had a work iPhone years ago. I trust Apple more than Google and can easily turn off any cloud stuff without issue. I’m pretty happy.
- _8j50 5y agoSimilar here. I don't trust either company but iOS has good UX and performance. Any data on iPhone I assume is accssesible to apple. With all the effort you have to put on android to make it secure, it still has ugly UX, poor reliability/endurance and apps that always find new ways of monetizing surveillance (at best as bad as apple). You really have to get burned by that one little thing you didn't get perfectly tight which made all your effort futile. Quality apps and products support iOS first. Apple has great UX people, most things are obvious and they just work smoothly as expected. The hardware is insanely good, I can live with being behid android with features for the durability and long term updates.
- behnamoh 5y agoI'm switching to iPhone mainly for the higher quality of apps on iOS. For whatever reason, the same app is often of lower quality on Android than on iOS. Instagram and Facebook messenger are good examples of this.
- Jensson 5y agoIphone users are worth more so get more development time.
- _8j50 5y agoThe same reason Linux desktop apps look uglier than on macOS , apple regulates UX strictly whereas android allows developer to make their apps look like whatever. The builtin UX components are mediocre which app devs half-ass and use in some places but not others.
- symlinkk 5y agoI mean seriously why would you buy an Android? They aren’t cheaper unless you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel, they don’t last as long, the software isn’t as pleasant to use or as privacy focused. What’s the point?
- yz1ruhzh 5y agoUse case ? I was on the iOS side, they cost too much for what I do with my mobile phone. Now I always buy mobile phones under $200, my current mobile phone battery last for 5 days without recharge, previous mobile lasted for 5 years (using a custom ROM).
- fold3 5y agoI think it would be interesting to compare with Europe. It seems that iPhone is unashamedly dominant in US and Japan mostly. In Europe, android is very popular and I see a lot of kids using Huawei or Samsung.
- flemhans 5y agoIt's highly dependent on the country. Scandinavia is mostly iPhone, whereas Spain is a healthy mix.
- alkonaut 5y agoGave my kids (around 10yo) mint condition refurb iPhone7’s at ~180 usd. Battery is like new and there isn’t a scratch.