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“The NFT Bay” Shares Multi-Terabyte Archive of ‘Pirated’ NFTs
- ghuntley 5y agoAnnouncement tweet at https://twitter.com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/1461322836165885954 https://twitter.com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/14613228361658859...
- tlrobinson 5y agoSoooo the obvious question... when does the NFT of the “The Billion Dollar Torrent” drop?
- framecowbird 5y agoOh my goodness, you're totally right. The bullshit train never ends...
- ghuntley 5y agoIt already has https://twitter.com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/1461872376681951232 https://twitter.com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/14618723766819512... and now it's into inception territory. The person who did https://www.thenftbay.org https://www.thenftbay.org (me) got NFT'ed by VVD (passed in at $17,645.42 USD) and now I've NFT'ed his auction result with the proceeds being diverted to Outreachy internships.
- netflixandkill 5y agoWhat does a NFT of a torrent even mean after we stop laughing at the absurdity?
- Jensson 5y agoNFT are just like tweets. An NFT of a torrent is the same thing as a tweet linking to a torrent, just that in this case the tweet is stored in a blockchain and people can buy it.
- netflixandkill 5y agoI understand what NFTs are, but torrents are ephemeral and recreatable and frequently replaced even for the same source data, more akin to indices. Proving you had a copy in the past or traded for said proof conveys nothing if no seeders exist anymore, and abandonment rates are huge outside of archival communities. Other than the mystery and the joke what's the meaning of a NFT for the URL of a deleted tweet?
- Latty 5y agoThe same as every NFT: nothing beyond what everyone agrees to, which right now (and likely forever) is nothing. Well, I suppose separating speculators from their money is another answer.
- ghuntley 5y agoThis is the beauty of Art. I hope more people ponder on this.
- xondono 5y agoI don’t want to tell you what to do, but I hope in my heart that you’ll keep doing this recursively until the mask falls off. I wouldn’t even be mad if you kept the money.
- mrspeaker 5y agoI think the biggest problem the art project will face is that nobody actually wants 19.5TB of not-terribly-good art. If there wasn't a fun speculative element, then most of the artists would have trouble getting anyone to download their stuff even for free (just like most game devs struggle to get anyone to play their games - even when they're pretty good). So really, if this art project does succeed it could be an interesting new distribution channel!
- timdaub 5y agoActually, I was about to rent a big server and download the torrent as I wanted to build a reverse image search for NFTs. But since it's not 19TB, I won't do it.
- gillesjacobs 5y agoYou don't count that low?
- stjohnswarts 5y agoWhile that's a lot for most home users it's a drop in the ocean of cloud storage and search data processing
- timdaub 5y agoyeah but I'm a single person so 19 TB is kind a big deal for me. But sure corps handle much more.
- sebow 5y agoAh yess, when you put something publicly available then claim piracy and copyright infringement when people actually use those "public bits". Gotta love this logic.So if i don't right-click your precious NFT I don't pirate it, how about if i get it from my browser's image cache?Am i pirating it then or not?(I'm not going into copying and selling, which is more nuanced, but even then one could argue in the same manner). To me these questions are extremely rhetorical, especially if one believes in the concept of property. If you don't want to freely give people copies of your precious hard work,don't put it on the internet, period, not even under a protected information system. I would further argue on this principle about computer security aswell, but that actually requires understanding how computers work, which the vast majority doesn't know. By putting your work publicly available you already explicitly give permission on people to copy your bits into their computers(a.k.a viewing).I guess people think machines are like humans and automatically "forget" what they see, thus enforcing the value of copyright.
- quakeguy 5y agoSeems it has only around 10GB of data, the rest are zeros hashed. https://gist.github.com/zhuowei/ebd5601f7dd8e5ee186bf302874e0a4c https://gist.github.com/zhuowei/ebd5601f7dd8e5ee186bf302874e... https://www.twitter.com/zhuowei/status/1461576936241733638 https://www.twitter.com/zhuowei/status/1461576936241733638
- samwillis 5y agoI think that is kind of the point. This a social commentary on the absurdity of NFTs and crypto. There was the study yesterday that showed that 70% of crypto trading was wash trading. I.e junk to inflate the appearance of the market. I see this being mostly zeros as effectively the same. It was meant to be found to be junk, to show how stupid it all is.
- ganzuul 5y agoIt is a matter of signal to noise ratio of the network.
- episteme 5y agoIt was 70% of the trading done on -unregulated- exchanges.
- boldslogan 5y agoright, but doesnt the alledged spill over effect of increasing the price on the unregulated exchange, impact the price regardless of exchange? You don't ask for btc price X on coinbase versus btc price Y on biance? Wouldn't you just care about the price of btc? and if it rises on certain exchanges, then it would arbitrage until it rose on other exchanges as well?
- jstanley 5y ago> if it rises on certain exchanges, then it would arbitrage until it rose on other exchanges as well? More like the opposite. The fake price rise would be arbitraged away to match the real price. At some point there has to be a real buyer/seller, otherwise arbitrage doesn't work. And a real buyer/seller is trading at the real price.
- judge2020 5y agoIsn’t the point of NFTs that it verifies ownership, not “you’re the only one that can access the content” (although there are indeed NFTs that can only allow the owner to decrypt the content)? It’s like video game cosmetics - many people can have the same skin, but people you want to impress or show off to can see that you own x, y, and z.
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 5y ago> It’s like video game cosmetics Video game cosmetics derive their appeal from people using them while they actually play the game, not from showing off the database flag that activates it for the account. With NFTs, the whole game part of the game cosmetics analogy is missing.
- robot_no_419 5y agoYou can build games that verify your NFT and allow you to use the art/resource in game. Well, until Steam deplatforms you I guess.
- cma 5y agoThey can be couterfeited by changing one bit.
- robot_no_419 5y agono they cant.
- cma 5y agoWhat I mean is if an avatar outit hashes to X, change one shade of grey by one LSB and it hashes to Y. You now copied the outgit, and have the earliest hash of your clone on the blockchain. A human has to review if it is the same thing or just had miniscule modifications. Something like neural hashes may eventually solve it somewhat.
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- easytiger 5y agoArt stopped existing subsequent to the widespread availability of digital imaging
- invalidusernam3 5y agoNot all art is a 2D image. Sculpture, light shows, dance and music, just a few examples of art that aren't the same when not viewed in real life.
- lottin 5y agoNot really, if anything we have more art (since each piece of art is infinitely replicable). What could conceivably happen is a decrease in the production of new art, but I don't see evidence of that either.
- crispyporkbites 5y agoNFTs are obviously a bit silly, BUT, it would be nice if things bought on platforms like Steam, Roblox, Amazon, iTunes etc. were transferable to other games/platforms. The platform providers would still need to agree that a specific blockchain / NFT is actually the source of truth, and so it's not really trustless. But the internet itself isn't perfectly decentralized either. I could see a future where developers could enable web3 support in their games/apps and allow importing assets, identities etc. between platforms, which would be nice.
- butz 5y agoJust imagine, if you bought a movie or game and could "consume" it on any platform you want, or event download files from web, skipping platforms. While technology is there, and you could prove ownership using public or private blockchain, this is obviously "bad for business" and no company will ever implement it. They better re-sell you same digital goods few times on several platforms.
- albertgoeswoof 5y agoRe-selling the same digital goods across different platforms is a bit of a scam really. One day, it might not be a normal business practice.
- input_sh 5y agoI'm gonna copy my questions from another thread about transferable items because I'm genuinely curious about the answers. Why would an asset designed for one game make sense or look good or feel at home in a completely different one? Why would companies make one of them and sell it for a million bucks instead of trying to convince more players to buy it in a shop for two bucks? Is the mechanic of a weapon gonna adjust to the new game when you import it or stay the same? If it stays the same, it's gonna be exploit galore. If it changes, well then, what's the point? Gonna be the same AK-47 as everyone else's, but this tiny sticker on it that nobody's gonna pay attention to is unique! Even if we pretend this is somehow a promising field, why even use NFTs and make each one a couple of pixels different instead of making a common one, selling it for like $50, buyers get a file in whichever format is agreed upon, and import them in the settings?
- manigandham 5y agoNFTs are about the token ownership, not the asset, so this archive is rather pointless on its own. But it's a very meta "art" piece as described by the article, especially if it also serves as an NFT asset itself. Will be interesting to see how how far this layer cake will go.
- cm2187 5y agoI think it does illustrate that NFT themselves are useless (other than being some sort of performance art). If you legally bought the right to something, what has value is not the NFT, it is the legal contract of the transaction. If you don’t sign a contract, the NFT is just a few bytes stored somewhere that have no consequences. The value is in the legal agreement.
- manigandham 5y agoThat's true, it's just another medium of execution via cryptographic signatures exposed as on-chain tokens. The legal foundation is still being figured out (mostly due to transparency and global jurisdiction issues) but there is something unique about having a much more programmable system. It's like DocuSign + APIs + banking + decentralized security and governance all rolled into one, and I think societal and economic changes will catch up to make this new system of transactions much more valuable.
- Dylan16807 5y ago> It's like DocuSign + APIs + banking + decentralized security and governance all rolled into one, and I think societal and economic changes will catch up to make this new system of transactions much more valuable. What makes you think that? When I see that the people that are the most invested aren't bothering to tie any real rights to the NFTs, that's a really bad sign. Blockchains are also pretty bad at banking in general.
- lottin 5y agoYeah, blockchains are incompatible with exercising coercive power, and it turns out without coercive power there are not that many useful things you can do. For example, enforcing a copyright license, or a loan agreement, requires coercive power.
- mattdesl 5y agothere is a certain irony in peer hosting IPFS-based NFTs thru BitTorrent as an attempt at some kind of critique… I hope they do this with Hicetnunc[1] NFTs too and help back up all that media. :) [1] - https://mattdesl.substack.com/p/hicetnunc-and-the-merits-of-web3 https://mattdesl.substack.com/p/hicetnunc-and-the-merits-of-...
- andrefuchs 5y agoI would appreciate an archive of hicetnunc.xyz OG NFTs as well.
- granaldo 5y agoA piece of Bored Ape is priced now at $200,000 https://www.coingecko.com/en/nft https://www.coingecko.com/en/nft
- clippablematt 5y agoGuy spends $200 a month and fills a 20TB hard drive because he doesn’t understand nfts aren’t drm. Thanks for backing up all the art dude. Much appreciated.
- andrewxdiamond 5y agoGuy misses point and fails to sound clever
- 1ark 5y agoI wonder of it's possible to make a stream of those assets without wasting the space personally. Basically a scripted torrent.
- da39a3ee 5y agoI’m very confused about NFTs. If they are kind of an in-joke (that maybe some influencer types are taking a bit too seriously) why did they get mentioned by zuckerberg in his keynote address for meta? Say what you want about him, but I think he and his team are above falling for crypto jokes making fun of influencers.
- GoodJokes 5y agoNFT’s sound like the trump of politics. Why are all of you giving it air time.