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Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps
- kingcharles 5y agoWhy did I never know about Twitter Lists before? Twitter has been unuseable for me because it just feeds me fucked-up shit from people I don't know even though I disabled all the notification options, just like for the author. Examples: https://kingcharles.one/wtftwitter.png https://kingcharles.one/wtftwitter.png
- sydthrowaway 5y agoThe solution to all of society’s ills: Ban infinite scrolling
- speed_spread 5y agoYou're so soft. The solution is to ban all browser-side scripting.
- socialist_coder 5y agoAnd recommended content. All content should only be surfaced via search, or lists that are the same for every user. And autoplay next content should default to off.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoColor screens need to go first.
- sydthrowaway 5y agoI can see this part of Dune-esque luddite uprising
- tomcatfish 5y agoYeah, let's skip to the end and ban algorithms, they are the source of so many of my problems I work in computers btw
- raxxorrax 5y agoColor screens are useful, infinite scrolling is not. Not only makes it indexing much more difficult or sometimes even impossible due to lacking standards, it also disallows users exchanging links to something specific. Crawlers would have to execute JS and do additional requests, which is not feasible at all. Content shouldn't be optimized for the most brittle consuming users and infinite scroll should be an anti-pattern of the most severe degree. I don't know which boneheaded webdevs recommend it to customers, since it is a most effective mechanism to kill discoverability.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoI first used a tool to change the fb feed when they stopped allowing me to sort by chronological order, now my account is deleted and I don't use it at all. They assume you are their cash cow, their captured audience. Prove them wrong. If you doomscroll you're probably bored by it but stuck as their prisoner. I see tiktok as more of flipping through the channel on TV but finding something good randomly, usually but I don't spend much time on it.
- derekjdanserl 5y agoIt’s so appalling to me. Anything called a “timeline” that is not and cannot be ordered chronologically is going to lose me immediately, as Facebook did when they made that change.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoYeah it was useless, I sorted by chronological order but I didn't stay using facebook long and used it for hours for a few days every few months to do something, but I deleted it. They needed me, I never needed them, they need you, you don't need them.
- iaabtpbtpnn 5y agoSounded pretty good until "Joe Rogan is also fantastic" at the end there...
- toyg 5y agoJoe Rogan sits squarely at the intersection of "intelligent and curious people who don't vet their sources particularly well" and "batshit-insane folks looking for confirmation of their abhorrent views".
- lotsofpulp 5y agoIntelligence implies vetting one’s sources well.
- deep-root 5y agoWould think "educated" implies this, as intelligence is a raw faculty.
- eevilspock 5y agono. it depends on your motives. if it's just building an audience to make money or fame, vetting sources doesn't matter, and may even be counterproductive. sad truths about our current culture.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoI guess that is true if you do not care about the broader world.
- derefr 5y agoIntelligence just means spotting patterns faster. If you're intelligent but "detail oriented", that just means you'll end up coming up with a brilliant solution to the wrong problem. In a Dungeons and Dragons character, knowing to vet one's sources would be an example of "Wisdom". And I think that's probably the right word for it in conventional speech as well.
- endisneigh 5y agoPeople need to learn to start forming their own opinions and not being so easily influenced by who said what and thinking about the what itself. Lately I've been wondering if maybe people evolved to be sensitive to the who to make it easier for us to be controlled. Said control can be useful at times.
- president 5y agoThis can't happen because most people live in a reality that has been crafted by the media sources they consume. This reality provides the mental safety they have enjoyed for their entire lives and there is no reason to step outside of that bubble. I've had conversations with very successful and highly-educated people who can't come to terms with certain truths unless they are validated by "trusted media". I'll be the first to say I was like this until only a few years ago. Once you realize that a significant chunk of mainstream media and social networks are heavily curated to influence your thinking, you never see the world the same again. There's a reason they call it being "red-pilled".
- GhettoComputers 5y agoAre those beliefs/truths useful? I don’t think most news is nor does it have any impact on our lives.
- swayvil 5y agoThere's reality. And then there's the popular, authoritatively supported STORY about reality. Most people seem to prefer the latter. Truth becomes less about reality and more about power, then. Power is a big deal for most people. Look at popular movies for a clear illustration of that.
- fullshark 5y agoPeople don't have time for that, hence they find someone or some party they trust to decipher things for them.
- Jensson 5y ago> Lately I've been wondering if maybe people evolved to be sensitive to the who to make it easier for us to be controlled. Said control can be useful at times. Pretty sure we evolved to be both. A society cannot function without a lot of people who mostly just follow a leader, but any society which doesn't constantly question its beliefs and ideals is guaranteed to fall sooner or later so we also need a lot of contrarians who do ask all those questions.
- jopsen 5y ago> Being in control takes work. Yeah, sometimes I miss flow TV, just lean back and relax.
- benrapscallion 5y agoSince the article specifically laments the loss of chronologically ordered tweets, it’s worth mentioning here that NewsBlur can not only aggregate RSS feeds but also act as a twitter client and provide said missing functionality.
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- tinalumfoil 5y agoI really like the core idea here: media used to be a push model, social media turned it into a pull model but they're trying to wrest it back. I always hated the push model of social media, which is why most of the online content I consume is via rss, including Twitter [0]. But I never thought of traditional news media media as being a push model. It makes so much intuitive sense when you say it: the reason I read newspapers is, at least in part, I want and trust them to tell me what's happening that's important. That's different than my programming blog subscriptions: I follow them because I've decided what they write is important to me. It's a subtle difference but very impact-full, and seems correct. [0] not sure of they actually have rss feeds but my rss reader supports them
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago> That's different than my programming blog subscriptions: I follow them because I've decided what they write is important to me. This makes a lot of sense for blogs and sources that are specifically focused on one subject (e.g. programming). But I'm not convinced it's as big of a difference for something like the Joe Rogan podcast (the author specifically recommends this at the end of the article). On a site like Twitter the users are still collecting a broad range of content from a broad range of people they choose. With something like the Joe Rogan podcast they're listening to shaped opinions from people that the host chooses, influenced by the topics the host allows to be discussed. Rogan is particularly famous for spreading anti-vaccine messaging right now and downplaying any pro-vaccine arguments from actual experts in the field. This seems like the epitome of biased "push" information sources.
- mrjangles 5y agoI think everyone has the urge to push their views onto other people once they get a platform. It is something instinctual deep within us. We tell ourselves that it is because we are so much smarter than everyone else, and we are the bearers of the one true truth, but really it is just our animal Will To Power at work. Thousands of years of evolution and the need to dominate other groups is really what is driving us to do this. Anyway, my point is that "Push" is the natural state of being. One has to work very hard to do otherwise. Someone who doesn't push, or who comes close to this, stands out above the crowd. I can think of very few hosts who do this. Joe Rogan goes out of his way to do this - to get all sorts of guests on with all sorts of perspectives - then he just shuts up and listens and asks questions. Yes he has started pushing his opinions a little, but he is better than most everyone else that I can think of.
- kasey_junk 5y agoThe Amazon affiliate link stuffed with tracking at the end really makes the post.
- nyanpasu64 5y agoWhich affiliate link? https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Analysis-Tuning-Modern-CPUs/dp/B08R6MTM7K/ https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Analysis-Tuning-Modern-CP... doesn't seem to be one to me, unless I missed something in the URL.
- crtasm 5y agoYou didn't, it's a standard amazon URL.
- konfin 5y agoThis thread is a hilarious example of why most people will always be controlled by someone else. There is exactly 5 words talking about Joe Rogan and half the replies are telling how you shouldn't watch him because he spteads misinformation. Meanwhile there has still been no reckoning for the lies the main stream media invented and repeated to invade Iraq and kill a million people.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoAnd there won't be, Bush was contested as a legitimate president but used 9/11 so doubters woud unify under him and reelect him. All the misinformation spread by mainstream media and poor quality social media but they aren't relevant in conversation, only being upset at a spotify podcaster who presents audio that can easily be skipped or whose audio show can be ignored if they really dislike him.
- raxxorrax 5y agoThis is so frustrating when you think about it...
- Igelau 5y ago> we would get to watch whatever the state television decided we would watch What's a state television? Was Canada occupied by North Korea in some other timeline?
- m031 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporat...
- Igelau 5y agoIt seems there's a noun missing. The article made it sound like the television itself was supplied by the state. I guess this made sense to everyone but me.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago> Joe Rogan is also fantastic. Supporting a kook conspiracy peddler sort of kills his whole argument.
- bad_username 5y agoIt doesn't. That's the point. He thinks he's fantastic. You don't. That's fine. You both have your separate feeds. Nobody rams Joe Rogan down your throat, and nobody forcibly takes him away from the OP.
- sossles 5y agoThis is an inevitable side effect of people's tendencies to over-subscribe to information sources. Once it's normal to try and follow 200+ people on Twitter, you're in need of an algorithm to prioritise content, and from there it's an easy side-step to inserting other content you haven't asked for. Unfortunately even when you don't follow 200 people on Twitter, you're still subject to the same design principles.
- lonk11 5y agoManual subscription management is a problem. The current choices are: you either have to manually control everything or surrender control to an opaque algorithm. I am building https://linklonk.com https://linklonk.com to explore a middle ground - you upvote/downvote content as a way to tell a transparent algorithm who you want to get more/less content from. When you upvote a post/link, LinkLonk connects you stronger to other users that upvoted it and prioritizes other content they upvoted for you. When you downvote something - your connections to those who upvoted that become weaker, and their other upvotes don't have much weight for you. This makes it much more scalable - the algorithm keeps track of your connections to everyone else. You could be connected to hundreds of users and RSS feeds on LinkLonk, without having to explicitly subscribe to them. But you still have control - you express it every time when you decide whether to upvote or downvote the content you just read (or do nothing). You end up connected the strongest to sources that have the highest signal-to-noise ratio for you. You see content from those who have proven to be good curators of content, which I think is a good feedback loop.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoYou can do lists or read twitter as an RSS. I simply don't use twitter much since its mostly garbage. I won't be subject to fix social media, if it is a burden to use its not going to be used. Don't miss the headache of organizing quailty for my feeds when its more work to make it enjoyable for a few minutes.
- Bobylonian 5y agoAfter reading this blog post, I realized, that after doing exactly the same things for last couple of decades it was not decision of mine... but this guys decision.
- Uhhrrr 5y agoJust switching from "Home" to "Latest" on Twitter is enough to make it tolerable for me (ok, it also helps to carefully prune the accounts you follow).
- fnord77 5y ago"The great thing about a paper book is that nobody needs to know what you are reading and when." ... then proceeds to post an amazon link to a book
- FpUser 5y ago>"So I got to watch hours and hours of incredibly boring TV shows because there was nothing good on" I grew up in USSR where TV was for the most part quite pathetic but I did not really dwell on it. There were always books that I was reading in insane amounts and all those long talks with the friends along with some vodka ;) I am in Canada now. Still do not have TV, still read a lot of books but also do heavy "pulling" from online sources. No so called "social media" though unless HN counts as one.
- rektide 5y agoClay Shirky talked about time spent online versus time spent watching Giligan's Island tv. i still think of it a lot. but this article did a great job calling attention to how crypto-broadcast modern online experiences often are. thanks.
- swiley 5y agoI really wouldn't care if I wasn't being threatened with joblessness over it.
- skybrian 5y agoFor Twitter, you can use the http://realtwitter.com/ http://realtwitter.com/ redirect to get to a search that just shows what you subscribed to. Then click “Latest” to sort chronologically.