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I don't even care about those benchmarks. It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. Even if it wasn't slower, it's li

I don't even care about those benchmarks. It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. Even if it wasn't slower, it's literally worse in every way compared to a modern Linux distribution. We live in the browser these days. The operating system we use should not bother us and control us and treat us like idiots.

allenbina 5y ago
For the average developer, yes. As for someone who troubleshoots all of my families tech hardware / software, I don't let anyone under 60 get a pc, they are limited to iPad only. I tried to get two of my younger cousins on Linux. One worked for a while replacing a virus ridden pc, but when he upgraded, he went back to windows. It's not that windows is better, its the liability of their expectations that something will go wrong. I still get windows issues on my locked down pc computer, but when they get a small bug on linux, it confirms their biases.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  And the minor point that a not-insignificant percentage of games are Windows only still (steam is tryign!). As phones get better and better, PCs are for like typing papers and playing games... a word processor crossed with a nintendo..
swarnie 5y ago
> It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. How so? From where i'm sat every application i want works and i can do all my business / leisure tasks with relative ease. I actually don't know what i'd even want or need to improve my user experience with WIN10
- yndoendo 5y ago
  1. Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout. 2. Show all applications reorders the listing by which application was last used versus Gnome tries to retain the a constant display allowing for muscle memory interaction. 3. Windows and be dragged and show off the viewable area making them hidden and having to move the application onto the screen using arrow keys. Some Linux DE prevent hiding applications off screen area. 4. Taskbar still does not work properly when placed at the top of the screen. Some applications will open up and display the title bar in the area, hiding it behind the taskbar. 5. File System; MFT cannot handle resizing and just keeps growing even when files are deleted. 6. File System; Does not allow for modifying file names or managing files while they are open. Want to rename that PDF files that was downloaded to the title showing in the file? Must type in notepad first or write down then rename while in Linux just read and rename while the PDF is open. 7. Volume display will stay on screen while mouse is over the area which so happens to be a common area for application interaction. Pointless delay of interaction while using another means to raise or lower the volume. 8. Windows updates often requires reboots while reboot is only needed on core features. Often restarting the service or DE refreshes to the newer version without a restart. 9. System registry corruption solution a complete reinstall; files versus central binary repository. 10. Linux allows for a complete move from hardware to hardware using as system rsync with run-time directory and file exclusion and retention of permissions. Windows cannot do this requires a long install time with the inability to have a 100% equal environment to the previous system right away without spending hours re-configuring it.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    > Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout I am confused. Also you can add an extra line break so the formatting of your comment is better with each bullet on its own line. https://thundercloud.net/infoave/images/2021/time-date-on1.png https://thundercloud.net/infoave/images/2021/time-date-on1.p... https://www.thundercloud.net/infoave/new/show-or-hide-the-date-on-the-windows-10-taskbar-clock/ https://www.thundercloud.net/infoave/new/show-or-hide-the-da...
    - fleaaa 5y ago
      Or use 3rd party app for time formatting. It got yanked on W11 though. I sorely miss it. https://github.com/White-Tiger/T-Clock/releases https://github.com/White-Tiger/T-Clock/releases
- dilawar 5y ago
  I keep a windows VM (Aws lightsail, 2 cores) in case my my app fails to build on it. It was usable but only when disabled Windows Defender. I joked about it to my wife who uses MS suits that Windows is made for running Windows defender. She has smooth ride on her 8 cores laptop. I was also frustrated how much downloading I had to do to compile a simple c program. Chocolaty is what makes me not give up. Poweshell is good too. I am kind of surprised that its that close to Linux performance!!
belltaco 5y ago
That perspective sounds like its from someone who never watched an average user or office worker use a computer.
zdragnar 5y ago
There are, in fact, a few things that windows does better straight out of the box than most linux distributions. Multiple monitors, high res monitors, printers, gaming and Bluetooth come to mind. That's not to say that those things can't work in Linux, or that some distributions don't work better than others. It is also not to say that windows is without its own problems. However, most users who aren't willing to become technically savvy will have a better time with windows. > The operating system we use should not bother us and control us and treat us like idiots. I fully agree, for experienced users. Sadly the majority are still tech illiterate and are (for a lack of experience) "idiots". Windows had a chance to make an extremely easy to use operating system, and blew it by turning it into an ad platform with a slew of unpleasant other sharp edges if you pull the covers back.
- Zardoz84 5y ago
  the last time that I try on Windows , I find the multi monitor experience subpar compared against Linux with KDE.
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  > printers Printers are a nightmare. They suck on windows and they suck on Linux. I don't often talk about my job when I meet new people, but when I do people ask me for help with their printer…
  - krylon 5y ago
    Hehe, as a former Windows admin, I came to hate printers passionately. My experience with printers on Linux and macOS was a lot better. However, I do not do much printing in my personal life, so that does not necessarily say a lot.
  - cptskippy 5y ago
    I use to be of the opinion that business/enterprise grade network printers were the way to go. You'd assign an IP and forget about it, when you set them up you'd plug in the IP and magic. However once you introduce power saving, wifi, and self discovery via Bonjour or whatever voodoo Windows uses, they're not much better. It doesn't help that every printer manufacturer these days wants their driver to be a full blown App with a custom UI and taskbar icon so they can push their consumables on you.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
I wonder how long it will take for Microsoft to drive away even the most committed Windows users.
Oddskar 5y ago
A counterpoint to this argument can be found in the "Main Linux Problems on desktop" that was posted a couple of days ago: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...
- depressedpanda 5y ago
  I wouldn't call an article prefaced with > I want to make one thing crystal clear - Windows, in some regards, is even worse than Linux and it has its own share of critical problems. Off the top of my head I want to name the following quite devastating issues with Windows: <long list of issues> "a complete debunk". Both OSs have their issues. For many people, the Windows issues are worse than the issues they have with Linux.
  - Oddskar 5y ago
    That's fair. Edited my post.
stronglikedan 5y ago
> We live in the browser these days. Someone should tell that to the hundreds of people at my company that use mostly native apps with no browser alternative.
nradov 5y ago
When I use a laptop I certainly don't live in the browser. It's just one application among many.

allenbina 5y ago

For the average developer, yes. As for someone who troubleshoots all of my families tech hardware / software, I don't let anyone under 60 get a pc, they are limited to iPad only. I tried to get two of my younger cousins on Linux. One worked for a while replacing a virus ridden pc, but when he upgraded, he went back to windows. It's not that windows is better, its the liability of their expectations that something will go wrong. I still get windows issues on my locked down pc computer, but when they get a small bug on linux, it confirms their biases.

brianwawok 5y ago
And the minor point that a not-insignificant percentage of games are Windows only still (steam is tryign!). As phones get better and better, PCs are for like typing papers and playing games... a word processor crossed with a nintendo..

swarnie 5y ago

> It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. How so? From where i'm sat every application i want works and i can do all my business / leisure tasks with relative ease. I actually don't know what i'd even want or need to improve my user experience with WIN10

yndoendo 5y ago
1. Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout. 2. Show all applications reorders the listing by which application was last used versus Gnome tries to retain the a constant display allowing for muscle memory interaction. 3. Windows and be dragged and show off the viewable area making them hidden and having to move the application onto the screen using arrow keys. Some Linux DE prevent hiding applications off screen area. 4. Taskbar still does not work properly when placed at the top of the screen. Some applications will open up and display the title bar in the area, hiding it behind the taskbar. 5. File System; MFT cannot handle resizing and just keeps growing even when files are deleted. 6. File System; Does not allow for modifying file names or managing files while they are open. Want to rename that PDF files that was downloaded to the title showing in the file? Must type in notepad first or write down then rename while in Linux just read and rename while the PDF is open. 7. Volume display will stay on screen while mouse is over the area which so happens to be a common area for application interaction. Pointless delay of interaction while using another means to raise or lower the volume. 8. Windows updates often requires reboots while reboot is only needed on core features. Often restarting the service or DE refreshes to the newer version without a restart. 9. System registry corruption solution a complete reinstall; files versus central binary repository. 10. Linux allows for a complete move from hardware to hardware using as system rsync with run-time directory and file exclusion and retention of permissions. Windows cannot do this requires a long install time with the inability to have a 100% equal environment to the previous system right away without spending hours re-configuring it.
- belltaco 5y ago
  > Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout I am confused. Also you can add an extra line break so the formatting of your comment is better with each bullet on its own line. https://thundercloud.net/infoave/images/2021/time-date-on1.png https://thundercloud.net/infoave/images/2021/time-date-on1.p... https://www.thundercloud.net/infoave/new/show-or-hide-the-date-on-the-windows-10-taskbar-clock/ https://www.thundercloud.net/infoave/new/show-or-hide-the-da...
  - fleaaa 5y ago
    Or use 3rd party app for time formatting. It got yanked on W11 though. I sorely miss it. https://github.com/White-Tiger/T-Clock/releases https://github.com/White-Tiger/T-Clock/releases
dilawar 5y ago
I keep a windows VM (Aws lightsail, 2 cores) in case my my app fails to build on it. It was usable but only when disabled Windows Defender. I joked about it to my wife who uses MS suits that Windows is made for running Windows defender. She has smooth ride on her 8 cores laptop. I was also frustrated how much downloading I had to do to compile a simple c program. Chocolaty is what makes me not give up. Poweshell is good too. I am kind of surprised that its that close to Linux performance!!

belltaco 5y ago

That perspective sounds like its from someone who never watched an average user or office worker use a computer.

zdragnar 5y ago

There are, in fact, a few things that windows does better straight out of the box than most linux distributions. Multiple monitors, high res monitors, printers, gaming and Bluetooth come to mind. That's not to say that those things can't work in Linux, or that some distributions don't work better than others. It is also not to say that windows is without its own problems. However, most users who aren't willing to become technically savvy will have a better time with windows. > The operating system we use should not bother us and control us and treat us like idiots. I fully agree, for experienced users. Sadly the majority are still tech illiterate and are (for a lack of experience) "idiots". Windows had a chance to make an extremely easy to use operating system, and blew it by turning it into an ad platform with a slew of unpleasant other sharp edges if you pull the covers back.

Zardoz84 5y ago
the last time that I try on Windows , I find the multi monitor experience subpar compared against Linux with KDE.
littlestymaar 5y ago
> printers Printers are a nightmare. They suck on windows and they suck on Linux. I don't often talk about my job when I meet new people, but when I do people ask me for help with their printer…
- krylon 5y ago
  Hehe, as a former Windows admin, I came to hate printers passionately. My experience with printers on Linux and macOS was a lot better. However, I do not do much printing in my personal life, so that does not necessarily say a lot.
- cptskippy 5y ago
  I use to be of the opinion that business/enterprise grade network printers were the way to go. You'd assign an IP and forget about it, when you set them up you'd plug in the IP and magic. However once you introduce power saving, wifi, and self discovery via Bonjour or whatever voodoo Windows uses, they're not much better. It doesn't help that every printer manufacturer these days wants their driver to be a full blown App with a custom UI and taskbar icon so they can push their consumables on you.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

I wonder how long it will take for Microsoft to drive away even the most committed Windows users.

Oddskar 5y ago

A counterpoint to this argument can be found in the "Main Linux Problems on desktop" that was posted a couple of days ago: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...

depressedpanda 5y ago
I wouldn't call an article prefaced with > I want to make one thing crystal clear - Windows, in some regards, is even worse than Linux and it has its own share of critical problems. Off the top of my head I want to name the following quite devastating issues with Windows: <long list of issues> "a complete debunk". Both OSs have their issues. For many people, the Windows issues are worse than the issues they have with Linux.
- Oddskar 5y ago
  That's fair. Edited my post.

stronglikedan 5y ago

> We live in the browser these days. Someone should tell that to the hundreds of people at my company that use mostly native apps with no browser alternative.

nradov 5y ago

When I use a laptop I certainly don't live in the browser. It's just one application among many.