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The last windows 10 vs linux benchmark that I saw had linux anywhere from 15 to 22% faster than windows 10, so if anything, this could be considered an improvem

The last windows 10 vs linux benchmark that I saw had linux anywhere from 15 to 22% faster than windows 10, so if anything, this could be considered an improvement. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows-may2020-linux&num=9 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows-... >If taking the geometric mean of all 114 benchmark results, Windows 10 May 2020 on the Threadripper 3970X was running at 78% the speed of the fastest Linux distribution (Clear Linux) or 86% the speed of the slowest Linux distribution benchmarked (openSUSE Tumbleweed). vs the most recent test... >The geometric mean for all 44 tests showed Linux clearly in front of Windows 11 for this current-generation Intel platform. Ubuntu / Arch / Fedora were about 11% faster overall than Windows 11 Pro on this system. Meanwhile, Clear Linux was about 18% faster than Windows 11 and enjoyed about 5% better performance overall than the other Linux distributions.

wodenokoto 5y ago
Just for the record, 100 is more than a 22% percent increase from 78. If windows is 78% of Linux speed, then Linux is 28% faster than windows.
- Dudeman112 5y ago
  Slightly off topic, but it seems like this has been pointed out my whole life and people in general still muddle this up. Is there ever gonna be a day when that doesn't happen? People should seriously stop sleeping during those mathematics classes
  - AnotherGoodName 5y ago
    Blame the % symbol that hides the '/100' fraction. If anyone was asked the inverse of 78/100 they'd correctly say 100/78 everytime.
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ Fractions are badly understood by quite a lot of people [1], even for an operation as simple as "inverse", and especially if they had to learn one time that x^-1 = 1/x to pass a quiz. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28935891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28935891
      - human 5y ago
        We are talking about fractions, not crystaline structures. The problem is that people forget their high school math very quickly when they stop using it. Many of us keep using it everyday.
        tyingq 5y ago
        The recent story about consumers perceiving a 1/3 lb burger to be smaller than a 1/4 lb burger suggests it's a lower level problem than remembering high school math :)
        Nadya 5y ago
        Had to check the calendar for the year because that story is from the 80's and the articles that circulated and were popular were mostly written in 2014-2016 and cycle back around every few years because factoids that let people laugh at how dumb Americans are seem to be popular clickbait. Seems to be making the rounds again because A&W is taking the piss by rebranding their "1/3 burger" to a "3/9 Burger". I also had to double-check that I wasn't reading an article from The Onion. I think it would be funny in a sad way if people are actually good at reducing fractions but still get confused by 1/3 > 1/4 after they've simplified 3/9. Least it'll make good clickbait in the 2050's.
        floatingatoll 5y ago
        People aren’t necessarily good at reducing fractions, either, in case that’s of any comfort.
        5y ago
    - Aerroon 5y ago
      100/78 still doesn't give me an intuitive feeling that it'll be much different from 22%. I know it is, but I still can't easily say it's 28% based on intuition. I think a more important thing to do is to use the same baseline to compare to: "Linux vs Windows and Linux vs Windows" not "Linux vs Windows and Windows vs Linux".
      - hvdijk 5y ago
        We can tell that 100/78 is somewhere between 100/75 and 100/80, which we can do in our heads as somewhere between 1.33 and 1.25.
    - iamcurious 5y ago
      Given the huge number of life changing decisions that involve the '%' symbol, this is great advice.
  - xbar 5y ago
    No, that day will not come. Enjoy your precision and recognize that there ARE others like you. I choose to be disappointed by the "journalists" who do poorly by comparison. I know many who have different emotional responses than disappointment.
  - mkup 5y ago
    Well, if someone starts to increase these people's salary by 10% at the morning, and then decrease their salary by 10% at the evening, on the same day, every day, then all these people are going to figure out the math pretty quickly I'm sure. :)
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- JasonFruit 5y ago
  And it's so easy to word it so you don't have this error.
peakaboo 5y ago
I don't even care about those benchmarks. It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. Even if it wasn't slower, it's literally worse in every way compared to a modern Linux distribution. We live in the browser these days. The operating system we use should not bother us and control us and treat us like idiots.
- allenbina 5y ago
  For the average developer, yes. As for someone who troubleshoots all of my families tech hardware / software, I don't let anyone under 60 get a pc, they are limited to iPad only. I tried to get two of my younger cousins on Linux. One worked for a while replacing a virus ridden pc, but when he upgraded, he went back to windows. It's not that windows is better, its the liability of their expectations that something will go wrong. I still get windows issues on my locked down pc computer, but when they get a small bug on linux, it confirms their biases.
  - brianwawok 5y ago
    And the minor point that a not-insignificant percentage of games are Windows only still (steam is tryign!). As phones get better and better, PCs are for like typing papers and playing games... a word processor crossed with a nintendo..
- swarnie 5y ago
  > It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. How so? From where i'm sat every application i want works and i can do all my business / leisure tasks with relative ease. I actually don't know what i'd even want or need to improve my user experience with WIN10
  - yndoendo 5y ago
    1. Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout. 2. Show all applications reorders the listing by which application was last used versus Gnome tries to retain the a constant display allowing for muscle memory interaction. 3. Windows and be dragged and show off the viewable area making them hidden and having to move the application onto the screen using arrow keys. Some Linux DE prevent hiding applications off screen area. 4. Taskbar still does not work properly when placed at the top of the screen. Some applications will open up and display the title bar in the area, hiding it behind the taskbar. 5. File System; MFT cannot handle resizing and just keeps growing even when files are deleted. 6. File System; Does not allow for modifying file names or managing files while they are open. Want to rename that PDF files that was downloaded to the title showing in the file? Must type in notepad first or write down then rename while in Linux just read and rename while the PDF is open. 7. Volume display will stay on screen while mouse is over the area which so happens to be a common area for application interaction. Pointless delay of interaction while using another means to raise or lower the volume. 8. Windows updates often requires reboots while reboot is only needed on core features. Often restarting the service or DE refreshes to the newer version without a restart. 9. System registry corruption solution a complete reinstall; files versus central binary repository. 10. Linux allows for a complete move from hardware to hardware using as system rsync with run-time directory and file exclusion and retention of permissions. Windows cannot do this requires a long install time with the inability to have a 100% equal environment to the previous system right away without spending hours re-configuring it.
marcodiego 5y ago
I don't think it is a fair comparison: the first benchmark was done on a AMD processor. Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the intel option, it probably favors linux more.
- kijin 5y ago
  Ironically, Clear Linux is developed by Intel.
  - dyingkneepad 5y ago
    It's been so many years since Clear Linux started showing up on benchmarks and beating everybody, I'm extremely disappointed that it's almost 2022 and the other distros still didn't adopt the improvements proposed by Clear. It's not like the things Clear does can't be done by Debian or Fedora or whatever, it's not like Clear is hiding their secrets from the others... Their improvements are, well, quite Clear for the others to copy.
    - jhoechtl 5y ago
      That sound interesting, can you give some/one example?
      - dyingkneepad 5y ago
        https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1810-fast-clear&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu18...
    - jraph 5y ago
      What compiler is used to build Clear Linux? I took some time to find out whether they used the Intel C Compiler or GCC (maybe with the right options) a few months ago but didn't succeed.
      - dyingkneepad 5y ago

wodenokoto 5y ago

Just for the record, 100 is more than a 22% percent increase from 78. If windows is 78% of Linux speed, then Linux is 28% faster than windows.

Dudeman112 5y ago
Slightly off topic, but it seems like this has been pointed out my whole life and people in general still muddle this up. Is there ever gonna be a day when that doesn't happen? People should seriously stop sleeping during those mathematics classes
- AnotherGoodName 5y ago
  Blame the % symbol that hides the '/100' fraction. If anyone was asked the inverse of 78/100 they'd correctly say 100/78 everytime.
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ Fractions are badly understood by quite a lot of people [1], even for an operation as simple as "inverse", and especially if they had to learn one time that x^-1 = 1/x to pass a quiz. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28935891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28935891
    - human 5y ago
      We are talking about fractions, not crystaline structures. The problem is that people forget their high school math very quickly when they stop using it. Many of us keep using it everyday.
      - tyingq 5y ago
        The recent story about consumers perceiving a 1/3 lb burger to be smaller than a 1/4 lb burger suggests it's a lower level problem than remembering high school math :)
        Nadya 5y ago
        Had to check the calendar for the year because that story is from the 80's and the articles that circulated and were popular were mostly written in 2014-2016 and cycle back around every few years because factoids that let people laugh at how dumb Americans are seem to be popular clickbait. Seems to be making the rounds again because A&W is taking the piss by rebranding their "1/3 burger" to a "3/9 Burger". I also had to double-check that I wasn't reading an article from The Onion. I think it would be funny in a sad way if people are actually good at reducing fractions but still get confused by 1/3 > 1/4 after they've simplified 3/9. Least it'll make good clickbait in the 2050's.
        floatingatoll 5y ago
        People aren’t necessarily good at reducing fractions, either, in case that’s of any comfort.
        5y ago
  - Aerroon 5y ago
    100/78 still doesn't give me an intuitive feeling that it'll be much different from 22%. I know it is, but I still can't easily say it's 28% based on intuition. I think a more important thing to do is to use the same baseline to compare to: "Linux vs Windows and Linux vs Windows" not "Linux vs Windows and Windows vs Linux".
    - hvdijk 5y ago
      We can tell that 100/78 is somewhere between 100/75 and 100/80, which we can do in our heads as somewhere between 1.33 and 1.25.
  - iamcurious 5y ago
    Given the huge number of life changing decisions that involve the '%' symbol, this is great advice.
- xbar 5y ago
  No, that day will not come. Enjoy your precision and recognize that there ARE others like you. I choose to be disappointed by the "journalists" who do poorly by comparison. I know many who have different emotional responses than disappointment.
- mkup 5y ago
  Well, if someone starts to increase these people's salary by 10% at the morning, and then decrease their salary by 10% at the evening, on the same day, every day, then all these people are going to figure out the math pretty quickly I'm sure. :)
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JasonFruit 5y ago
And it's so easy to word it so you don't have this error.

peakaboo 5y ago

I don't even care about those benchmarks. It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. Even if it wasn't slower, it's literally worse in every way compared to a modern Linux distribution. We live in the browser these days. The operating system we use should not bother us and control us and treat us like idiots.

allenbina 5y ago
For the average developer, yes. As for someone who troubleshoots all of my families tech hardware / software, I don't let anyone under 60 get a pc, they are limited to iPad only. I tried to get two of my younger cousins on Linux. One worked for a while replacing a virus ridden pc, but when he upgraded, he went back to windows. It's not that windows is better, its the liability of their expectations that something will go wrong. I still get windows issues on my locked down pc computer, but when they get a small bug on linux, it confirms their biases.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  And the minor point that a not-insignificant percentage of games are Windows only still (steam is tryign!). As phones get better and better, PCs are for like typing papers and playing games... a word processor crossed with a nintendo..
swarnie 5y ago
> It's more about the user experience and in Windows, it's horrible and user hostile. How so? From where i'm sat every application i want works and i can do all my business / leisure tasks with relative ease. I actually don't know what i'd even want or need to improve my user experience with WIN10
- yndoendo 5y ago
  1. Taskbar inability to show Date and Time when using small buttons. Is designed around vertical layout and does not allow for horizontal layout. 2. Show all applications reorders the listing by which application was last used versus Gnome tries to retain the a constant display allowing for muscle memory interaction. 3. Windows and be dragged and show off the viewable area making them hidden and having to move the application onto the screen using arrow keys. Some Linux DE prevent hiding applications off screen area. 4. Taskbar still does not work properly when placed at the top of the screen. Some applications will open up and display the title bar in the area, hiding it behind the taskbar. 5. File System; MFT cannot handle resizing and just keeps growing even when files are deleted. 6. File System; Does not allow for modifying file names or managing files while they are open. Want to rename that PDF files that was downloaded to the title showing in the file? Must type in notepad first or write down then rename while in Linux just read and rename while the PDF is open. 7. Volume display will stay on screen while mouse is over the area which so happens to be a common area for application interaction. Pointless delay of interaction while using another means to raise or lower the volume. 8. Windows updates often requires reboots while reboot is only needed on core features. Often restarting the service or DE refreshes to the newer version without a restart. 9. System registry corruption solution a complete reinstall; files versus central binary repository. 10. Linux allows for a complete move from hardware to hardware using as system rsync with run-time directory and file exclusion and retention of permissions. Windows cannot do this requires a long install time with the inability to have a 100% equal environment to the previous system right away without spending hours re-configuring it.

marcodiego 5y ago

I don't think it is a fair comparison: the first benchmark was done on a AMD processor. Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the intel option, it probably favors linux more.

kijin 5y ago
Ironically, Clear Linux is developed by Intel.
- dyingkneepad 5y ago
  It's been so many years since Clear Linux started showing up on benchmarks and beating everybody, I'm extremely disappointed that it's almost 2022 and the other distros still didn't adopt the improvements proposed by Clear. It's not like the things Clear does can't be done by Debian or Fedora or whatever, it's not like Clear is hiding their secrets from the others... Their improvements are, well, quite Clear for the others to copy.
  - jhoechtl 5y ago
    That sound interesting, can you give some/one example?
    - dyingkneepad 5y ago
      https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1810-fast-clear&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu18...
  - jraph 5y ago
    What compiler is used to build Clear Linux? I took some time to find out whether they used the Intel C Compiler or GCC (maybe with the right options) a few months ago but didn't succeed.
    - dyingkneepad 5y ago