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macOS Monterey

• awestroke 5y ago
  Literally the only interesting feature, to me, is Low Power Mode
  • merb 5y ago
    which fixes the gpu overheating with external displays. took a while for them to find a fix...
    • eirikvaa 5y ago
      Wow, really? OK, now I'm actually excited.
    • asdff 5y ago
      Sounds more like a crutch rather than a fix
      • merb 5y ago
        at least it, fixed it. of couse it's just a duck tape fix, but well. at least it works.
  • duffyjp 5y ago
    My PowerPC G4 PowerBooks have that.
  • culopatin 5y ago
    I wonder what the battery life on M1 pro is with Low power mode compared to m1
• smoldesu 5y ago
  Oh, the things I'd give for an LTS version of Mojave...
  • ValentineC 5y ago
    Same here. Most things still work well for me, so my plan is to stick with Mojave until I get an M2 MacBook Air or similar next year.
  • judge2020 5y ago
    High Sierra for me, since it's the latest that would've been able to run any recent NVIDIA GPUs (assuming NVIDIA stayed dedicated to releasing Web Drivers).
    • smoldesu 5y ago
      The lack of Nvidia support is a major bummer. My KDE desktop at home is configured to look identical to Mojave (albeit with a different color palette and a dock integrated with the menubar), just so I can pretend like I'm living my dream...
  • icedchai 5y ago
    Me too. I'm still running Mojave on my 2014 iMac 5k!
  • azalemeth 5y ago
    Me three. And I can't jump ship to Apple's arm chips until they permit x86 virtualisation/emulation sensibly.
• kitsunesoba 5y ago
  I've been enjoying Safari's tab group feature quite a lot. It's helped me wrangle the usual set of 5+ windows of tabs related to various tasks down into a single window, with the groups lined up neatly in a side list and auto-sleeping tabs. For me at least it's much better than the implementation Chrome has gone for which tries to shoehorn groups into an already overburdened tab bar.
  • e_proxus 5y ago
    Is there a way to force apps or links to open in the current tab group? I often find myself clicking links from apps (e.g. Slack), then keep working and loading project related sites. After a while I suddenly have 12 tabs open in the default tab group that all should have been in the project tab group. It’s not very visible which group you’re currently in. When it switches group from under your feet I often miss that and keep thinking I’m in the old group.
• 5ersi 5y ago
  Monterey seems to have fixed audio stutter I was constantly experiencing on Bluetooth headphones (AKG Y500). On BigSur every time the headphones reconnected I had to reset the Bluetooth module - btw, the reset option seems to be missing in Monterey. So that's a big improvement in my book.
  • culopatin 5y ago
    While connected to 2.4Ghz wifi?
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• mrgalaxy 5y ago
  How stable is Monterey for those that have been using it? Ironically I just upgraded to Big Sur yesterday from Catalina. I think I'll probably wait again to let 3rd-party apps catch up.
  • henvic 5y ago
    I've kind of indirect experience: my girlfriend is an iOS developer, and has been using it on her only Mac for a while. In the beginning it was awful for her. A lot of failures. However, after a couple of months it became quite stable, and she stopped complaining. The only thing that was kind of a nightmare was Xcode. I'm updating it, and if I were you, I'd update right away too. There are many improvements.
    • 0des 5y ago
      What improvements in your girlfriend's daily workflow would she say are most notable, did she mention?
      • henvic 5y ago
        Performance-wise is much better. Animations are smooth, and even AirPlay seems to work better. Safari is also slightly better, although she dislikes the new way it organizes tabs. That said, the thing she told me she liked the most, feature-wise related to her daily workflow, is the new Shortcuts app.
  • heavymark 5y ago
    Have been using since June and haven't ran into any bugs/issues that prevents me from doing work. Unlike previous macOS betas were often there was at least one or two that would break things.
  • trydis 5y ago
    Been better than Big Sur so far for me, on 16". Have had temperature issues with Big Sur, resulting in decreased perf due to clocking down (even with TG Pro). Now consistently 5-10 degrees cooler and less fan noise. Using "Intel Power gadget" to see the CPU frequency. EDIT: I did not install it until the RC.
• henvic 5y ago
  Finally! :)
• aserdf 5y ago
  is CSAM scanning included?
  • gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Nope - not client-side, but server-side, it's been there for, like, half a decade.
    • tandav 5y ago
      Untill os source code is closed you can't be Shure that they're not do scanning.
      • selcuka 5y ago
        Why would they do it in secret? It's a "feature" they really want to use as a PR opportunity. They just messed up the first announcement.
        • memco 5y ago
          One thing that was slightly confusing in the initial announcement was that it was said to be released on a day when no OS update was happening[0]. I've been unable to find details of how the rollout was supposed to happen, but if no OS update was needed the code would have had to already be deployed in a previous update before it was officially disclosed by Apple, wouldn't it? I don't know of any sources that show it was present and if so whether it has been verified that it was removed, but if such sources exist I would appreciate references. EDIT: This announcement from Apple says it was to be included in an iOS 15 update when ready [1] so unlikely it was just dormant in some previous update. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741 [1]: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/
  • threeseed 5y ago
    Yes. If you use iCloud Photo Library then CSAM is scanned server-side. Same it has always been and no different to every other service.
• lghh 5y ago
  Funny that they used a very clunky looking Windows laptop and a pretty dated looking Android phone to show off Facetime.
  • comeonseriously 5y ago
    I get that you want to show your own products in their best light, but this is just petty and beneath them.
    • hugi 5y ago
      Only if you have no sense of humor :). Reminds me of how hugely offended some people were that the icon for a Windows PC in Mac OS X’s network browser was a blue screened monitor.
      • lghh 5y ago
        It's just annoying when they don't have a sense of humor about their products but have a negative sense of humor about other's.
      • comeonseriously 5y ago
        I can be not offended and still feel it to be petty.
        • hugi 5y ago
          I found it absolutely hilarious when it was done about 15 years ago. That was when we Apple users were pretty much the underdogs and expected the platform to die any day. But now that Windows users feel threatened by Apple and are sensitive about this, it should probably be changed. Although it's a fun relic of the olden times.
    • akmarinov 5y ago
      This comes from the company that still shows non-Mac PCs in the network as CRT monitors, showing a blue screen of death.
• NaN1352 5y ago
  Focus …. by adding gazillions of notification options, and also get more notifications for "weekly screen time"… yeah, I really needed even more useless information to process instead of living my life. If i want time off i’ll just put the device down, what a concept :/ They’ve got it completely backwards.
  • macintux 5y ago
    I don't know how Monterey differs from iOS, but while I initially dismissed the new focus features as irrelevant, I quickly realized how useful they can be. Specifically I blocked all work-related notifications when I was on vacation. Allowing for one-time customizations doesn't add to my ongoing "useless information to process" queue.
    • asdff 5y ago
      It's just another means to an end that isn't much harder than what you could do before. I'm on mojave and ios 13 and I do the same by going to system preferences and hitting the checkboxes in my work account section.
  • kkirsche 5y ago
    It’s ok it doesn’t work for you. But for some of us it provides isolation between various aspects of our life.
    • neilalexander 5y ago
      More importantly, it gives us granular isolation and automated ways of activating them, rather than just having a single Do Not Disturb option that does all-or-nothing. It’s a feature that I have really come to like during the betas and definitely helps me to stay on top of information overload, allowing notifications from certain apps at certain times of day (e.g. work hours, sleep hours) or places (e.g. gym).
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• psychometry 5y ago
  MacOS major version release are so underwhelming to me. They're not so much OS updates as they're updates to built-in apps I don't use or use at a very surface level: Safari, Facetime, Apple Maps, Messages, etc. I'm not really sure what I'd want out of a new MacOS, though. It's been stable and (for my purposes) feature-complete for many years now. I don't remember the last time a MacOS upgrade added a feature I wanted but didn't yet have, nor the last time they added a feature I didn't realize I wanted because I'd never imagined it. The latter used to be what made Apple products stand out to me.
  • lkbm 5y ago
    Same here. Looking through recent release highlights, Mojave adding Dark Mode is the mot recent stand-out I spotted, and even that I don't really care about all that much. Universal Control has potential to be valuable.
  • kube-system 5y ago
    I personally prefer the incremental yearly updates to huge changes on a longer timeframe. I'm pretty excited about Live Text, personally. I've been getting a lot of great use out of it on iOS. If we're talking about other recent releases, ARM (/iOS app interoperability) support was definitely a huge change :)
    • gremloni 5y ago
      Every time I hold on a pic on my iPhone to preview it it highlights the text in there instead.
  • inDigiNeous 5y ago
    At least they've managed to optimize and make the OS faster. Mojave feels faster on my 2014 MPB than previous installations did. Would wish they would focus on the apps and not revamping the system each time they do an update.
  • memco 5y ago
    I would love a more detailed change log of the actual OS level changes because sometimes there’s useful tidbits but you often have to be watching the WWDC content in order to see what will be in the upcoming OS. There have been some under the hood things like the APFS switch, Rosetta, and other under the hood changes that can significantly impact the OS. In this release I saw that there is a new copy mechanism in the finder which seems pretty significant but there isn’t a lot of detail about the technology behind it. I am also interested in the universal control and the ability to use your mac as an airplay device so now you can stream another Mac which used to be some thing then I did using a lunar display adapter. I also saw there’s a built in TOTP feature now which might be handy. I agree though most changes seem like app changes and services that could be decoupled from an OS update.
• renewiltord 5y ago
  Wait. Is this normal cross platform FaceTime? Or is this like a different FaceTime because FaceTime is awesome.
  • evanmoran 5y ago
    I believe it's web based for cross platform. So equivalent to Google Meet and with similar UX limitations.
    • JohnTHaller 5y ago
      Everyone can initiate a call in Google Meet. Only Apple customers can initiate a call in FaceTime. So, they're not exactly equivalent.
  • wlesieutre 5y ago
    There's a web client. Non-apple devices can join calls but can't initiate them. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212619 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212619
  • JohnTHaller 5y ago
    If you're on iOS/macOS, you can send someone a web link to join a FaceTime call with you. Not sure how the browser support is offhand. There's no client for anything else and others can't initiate calls.
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• evanmoran 5y ago
  For the Focus feature, I find it a bit unexpected that someone messaging me can tell if I'm Driving, Sleeping, Coding, or Reading, etc. Does anyone else find this a bit strange/awkward? I know you can turn it off (and I did) within iMessage, but it seems a bit poorly considered. Curious if people like that aspect of the feature!
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  • nathanyz 5y ago
    I thought it was only letting them know that you were currently unavailable, not the specific Focus type you are currently in.
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    • evanmoran 5y ago
      Ah wonderful. I misunderstood "focus status" to mean the actual name of your focus was displayed, rather the generic "Evan has notifications silenced" message. Thank you for the clarification! As to what notifications have been helpful: I ended up making Reading and Listening focuses to make personal stuff like reading and podcasting more enjoyable. Then for work I separated out Communicating (email, slack, asana, collaborative docs) from Coding (everything off) as it seemed those had quite different notification needs.
  • praseodym 5y ago
    It will show your contact that you have notifications silenced, not which Focus mode you activated.
    • FireBeyond 5y ago
      It certainly CAN show that though. "Would you like your contacts to know you are driving and unavailable?"
• joshka 5y ago
  That Focus mode would be killer if it integrated some sort of pomodoro / calendar integration.
  • ascagnel_ 5y ago
    There are people that do some wild things with shortcuts, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has already done the work with that. Edit: It looks like shortcuts won't be able to set (or clear) focus modes, so that'll have to wait. Bummer.
    • CraigJPerry 5y ago
      That’s unfortunate, you can set focus modes from shortcuts on ios. When i turn on my Bluetooth speaker in the shower room it goes into a focus mode that diverts all calls for 15 mins and resumes my podcasts. I thought the experience on macos was supposed to be a superset of the ios one. Really poor decision by apple then.
      • tailspin2019 5y ago
        I’m totally stealing this idea.
    • bjustin 5y ago
      Shortcuts on iPadOS and whatever beta of Monterey I'm running on this computer can both set and clear focus modes. I use that on my iPad to set a focus mode, which also updates my home screens, and launch AudioBus in one go by running my shortcut. Weirdly it can't check what the current focus mode is.
  • movedx 5y ago
    Check out Cold Turkey.
• RussianCow 5y ago
  Am I the only one that's really excited about Universal Control? If nothing else, it's extremely impressive from an engineering perspective (if it works as seamlessly as they make it seem). To be able to take your work from your iPad to your iMac like that would be pretty incredible.
  • eyelidlessness 5y ago
    I think quite a lot of that has been available by copy/paste over Handoff, it seems like the major change here is that it's available with a shared pointing device. Still impressive!
    • RussianCow 5y ago
      Agreed, but that one change instantly takes it from "occasionally useful" to "hot damn that's so cool".
      • eyelidlessness 5y ago
        I’m a weirdo who does ~1/3 of my device time on my phone so I’ve probably just been using this feature more than most people already :)
  • Ambroos 5y ago
    It doesn't work very well in office environments unfortunately. I gave it a try with my work MBP and Mac Pro, and the amount of cursor judder / keyboard lag was wild. It'd also just plain not work at times. I think things are better when the environment is less busy and devices can talk to eachother over the same WiFi network (instead of WiFi direct), but it has proven to be unusable in the one scenario where I'd have liked to use it.
    • RussianCow 5y ago
      Thanks for sharing your experience. That's what I was afraid of when I saw this first advertised. It's a bummer, because it's a feature I could see being useful in a lot of different (ad hoc) scenarios.
• Shadonototra 5y ago
  the best OS if you are fed up with windoze bloatware and are too lazy to setup a working desktop environment that suits you on linux it has native unix environment, is fast and efficient
• hajile 5y ago
  Are there any api changes? I’d love to see a new version moving to feature parity with vulkan.
• dkdk8283 5y ago
  Any of the awful UX functions been rolled back? Notifications and the bluetooth menus are an abomination.
  • brink 5y ago
    I was hoping someone would mention this. Shoving everything into a sub-menu made device statuses invisible and involved extra clicks to interact with them. It's user-hostile design.
    • xu_ituairo 5y ago
      Did you know you can drag the controls out onto the menu bar?
      • brink 5y ago
        No, I did not.
        • movedx 5y ago
          Not to be rude, but this has been a thing for some time now.
          • tailspin2019 5y ago
            How very rude.
            • movedx 5y ago
              lol ;-)
          • nsonha 5y ago
            > rude to Apple? Why can't this be a predictable hold and drag, like everything else? They expect users to... what read a manual? There is an alternative, make it so that users can intuitively discover features by playing around. I believe Steve Jobs told some pretentious story along that line when he launched the iPad.
• moooo99 5y ago
  Are all features available on all recent Macs (Intel + M1)? iirc there were some features that there were some exclusive M1 features to come, but also overheard rumors that they'd still roll out on "old" Intel Macs. Edit: Apparently some features are indeed M1 only. Those features are - portrait mode in FaceTime - apparently the new Apple Maps design - the interactive globe Seems like the most important features (for me it's livetext) are available on both architectures.
• ksec 5y ago
  Sort of a mini review. Using it at home on my MacBook Pro 2015 Intel Machine. Big Sur on M1 was fine ( if not great ), mostly because M1 is extremely fast. But Big Sir on x86 was slow, really slow. I am in the group that reported Big Sur was slower than Catalina, and Catalina was slower than Mojave. That is with both the OS itself and Safari. So Big Sur was not a smooth experience for me. Monterey so far brings back the speed / snappiness of Mojave. Safari feels so much more responsive under normal use and under heavy tab usage. Lots micro-pause ( Jank ) and lag are gone. As if they put back all the optimisation for x86 previously left out. Far less Kernel_Task CPU usage and stupid disk write for whatever reason. My guess this is mostly a Safari problem given they have implemented Tab Groups they have at least taken into account of heavy tab usage in mind. This is also apparent when they fix the long standing Tab Overview bug, where it will load ( and reload ) every single Tabs you have trying to generate thumbnail. Imagine you accidentally press the Tab Overview button in the tool bar, or three finger swap in Safari when you have hundreds of tabs. You will instantly get a few hundreds GB of Disk Write paging trying load everything. It is literally a feature that kills your SSD. I have reported this bug for over three years, it is finally fixed. Cloudd and Bookmark / History / Tab Sync pause / Jank is still not fix though. That is 3 years+ and counting. Still wish they do a list of tabs like Chrome instead of Thumbnails when it is over certain Tabs Number. It is easier to track when you have lots of Tabs. Easier to do Manual Garbage Collection of Tabs. Bug that causes IINA to crash when viewing video in portrait mode is gone. One of the biggest complain when updating to Big Sur. WindowsServer also uses far less CPU. It used to hover over 30% for no apparent reason. Now it is back to a normal 5-15% in most cases. Safari "classic" tabs are back. Along with a very long list of webkit improvement. Far from perfect but at least things are moving. I am also feeling Apps that are using Swift and SwiftUI are snappier than before and uses less memory. An observation mostly from using Stocks App. Many other minor details, may be worth reading Ars' review [1]. It is solid release, which along with M1 MacBook Pro sadly dampens my motivation to move away from Apple. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/macos-12-monterey-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/macos-12-monterey-th...
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• markdown 5y ago
  I'm still on Mojave. Is it possible to jump versions, or must I upgrade incrementally?
  • concinds 5y ago
    It's fine to jump versions
    • markdown 5y ago
      Thanks.
  • diebeforei485 5y ago
    Note that macOS versions beyond Mojave drop support for 32-bit binaries.
    • markdown 5y ago
      That's why I've held on so long. I'd have to say goodbye forever to Adobe Fireworks, the best web design tool ever developed.
  • asdff 5y ago
    Why fix what's not broke?
• Apocryphon 5y ago
  Betting that the next incremental update will be named macOS Carmel.
  • bookofjoe 5y ago
    Ventana
  • Miiko 5y ago
    Nah, too close, they will go farther north, I think. Point Reyes is my bet.
    • Apocryphon 5y ago
      Closeness is the point. They did do Yosemite/El Capitan and Sierra/High Sierra, after all.
  • asdff 5y ago
    Humboldt
• joconde 5y ago
  So Private Relay is available on both iOS and macOS stable releases now. Have there been expert opinions about how private this is? I understand they built a Tor-light, by hopping through one Apple server, then one external server, with some sort of anonymisation between the two?
  • kylehotchkiss 5y ago
    The external servers are like cloudflare and fastly. Private relay doesn’t make any claims to be as private or anonymous as tor. It’s designed more to keep ISPs less aware of your browsing history and prevent websites from tracking you with IP. In my experience so far, Private Relay just turns off and back on randomly. There’s no safari indicator that private relay is off, just push notifications to inform you of the status. Private relay and mail privacy protection also completely disable when using another VPN. That said I’m very happy to get private relay with iCloud+ as it means phone is approaching the point where carrier can’t associate me with browsing history for to sell to whatever creepy business offers them money.
• snug 5y ago
  Still can't stream fitness+ to a mac?
• TameAntelope 5y ago
  I'm not sure I need yet another macOS version, feels like they've opted for a more frequent release cycle. I (genuinely) wonder why...
  • quitethelogic 5y ago
    > feels like they've opted for a more frequent release cycle Their OS releases have been yearly for about the past decade I think.
  • Jtsummers 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history#Releases They've been released pretty close to every 11-13 months since 10.7, which was nearly 2 years after 10.6. That happened a decade ago now, so it's not something that's changed recently.
    • TameAntelope 5y ago
      Oh man, I should have looked this up before commenting. Really feels shorter, but yeah the data is right there.
• beermonster 5y ago
  Given how stable Big Sur was until 11.15.6 I don't think I'll be hastily upgrading! [Edited]
  • lostgame 5y ago
    I think you mean Catalina? That was 10.15. Big Sur was 11.
    • beermonster 5y ago
      Oops. Typo, meant 11. Edited.
• blondie9x 5y ago
  Has anyone shorted Zoom yet? Believe ticker is ZM.
• paxys 5y ago
  A lot of these changes seem to be pandemic-driven, which makes sense, but it's telling that smaller competitors hacked together all these same features within weeks of WFH and the largest and most advanced company in the world is finally here 18 months later.
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  • z5h 5y ago
    > hacked together That’s the thing. Apple doesn’t want a feature to look like a hack, and they also have to consider how every feature plays with everything else in their OS and ecosystem.
    • Zababa 5y ago
      That's what they want, but if you read the rest of the thread and the common comments on Big sur, that's not how it seems to be.
    • nsonha 5y ago
      > Apple doesn’t want a feature to look like a hack That means they care about their reputation more than actually helping user. I don't think feedback is valued (more than their designers' opinions), so no reason to ship fast.
      • whynotminot 5y ago
        Shipping so fast you end up delivering a bad user experience doesn't actually help the user. I feel like this needs to be strongly emphasized for the agile crowd that knows what speed is but sometimes forgets what quality is.
        • nsonha 5y ago
          no one said that speed is the end goal. I said if you don't need to collect feedback, there is no need to ship fast. Of course the outcome is that you have a product with ideas pulled out of your arse instead of responding to users' voices. Having said it could still be good
• bowmessage 5y ago
  Surprised they are opening the Walled Garden™ to allow FaceTime from Windows and Android.
  • mulmen 5y ago
    Wasn't that promised with the initial release of FaceTime?
• ehakan 5y ago
  The Macbook Pro 16" thermal throttling problems with external monitors [1] finally seems to be fixed with Monterey by enabling low power mode. (At least with 16:9 60Hz monitors). I've been dealing with `kernel_task` hitting 900% CPU usage and the entire window server running at 2 FPS when using external monitors since I got the mbp 16" a year ago. Good riddance. [1]: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-is-hot-noisy-with-an-external-monitor.2211747/page-220 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-is-hot-noisy-with-an...
  • zdwolfe 5y ago
    Wow, I didn't realize that was a common problem, and didn't realize it was related to external monitors. Thanks for the link!
    • vaughan 5y ago
      The fix is the VRM thermal pad mod btw.
      • smoldesu 5y ago
        Does that void the warranty? If it does, I'd hardly consider that a 'fix'...
  • cassianoleal 5y ago
    It's not fixed though, it simply cripples the CPU in order to keep it cooler. This was already achievable by disabling Turbo Boost [0]. I can't tell which solution works better but before switching to an M1 Air I was running TBS on my 16" and it made things more acceptable. [0] https://github.com/rugarciap/Turbo-Boost-Switcher https://github.com/rugarciap/Turbo-Boost-Switcher
    • tomxor 5y ago
      No idea if this is a hardware issue, but this approach (underclocking and permanent low power modes) is historically how Apple have "fixed" other hardware flaws - cough - nvidia - cough - After you've experienced it you tend to not buy macs any more.
• beders 5y ago
  It is frustrating to see how stagnant desktop OS's have become. Both macOS and Windows 11 have added incremental features that are surely nice to have, but no one dares to improve on the human-computer-interaction which has remained the same for decades now. With the advances in AI and the ridiculous compute power of modern CPUs, we should be able to have OSs that are Digital Assistants. Just one example: - file management: Why even? Why expose most regular users to this metaphor in the first place. Mobile OSs have been rather successful in getting rid of this implementation detail. If I write a lot of documents and need to come up with names for them, I expect that to be sufficient. My Assistant will sort/group/maintain them for me and if I want to open the "status report to vendor X from last week", then that should be enough. Make sure my documents are safely stored, encrypted and all that jazz. Don't make me pick between "iCloud" or "OneDrive" or "C:\" or "Document" or "Desktop". Index all the content I'm producing semantically. Just DoWhatIMean? (tm) Have this be consistent throughout the applications I'm using - including web apps. (And why even make that distinction. Who here doesn't have relatives who have trouble understanding the differences between locally installed applications, apps on their phone and web apps in the browser?) Regular users are consistently struggling with low-level concepts like 'files' and similar remnants of trying to emulate desktop metaphors from the workplaces of the 80ies. "Do you want to change the extension to .doc or change it to .txt"? What?!? "Do you want to overwrite file "xyz.xls"? Overwriting sounds bad, what happens if I say no though? That is just the tip of the iceberg where we are somehow tied to ideas of HCI that are rooted in the 70s/80s. I do appreciate being able to tell my phone "Set a timer for 10 minutes", but where is "Plan a trip to Dallas for next week Friday" - and the Digital Assistant knowing exactly what to do (since that ain't its first rodeo)?
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  • xu_ituairo 5y ago
    As you say, we're getting exactly these advances with phone and tablet OSs. iPads are becoming a dream appliance in the ways you mention and capture 90% of the average person's computing needs. Regular computers have to maintain some backward compatibility and it's nice for power users to still be allowed to fiddle with file extensions and system internals.
• amelius 5y ago
  Article reads like an ad.
  • Jtsummers 5y ago
    It is an ad. It's on Apple's website advertising their new OS release.
  • fourseventy 5y ago
    lol
• Waterluvian 5y ago
  I've been away from MacOS for about 10 years. Big Sur now. Kinda hate it. I keep accidentally invoking extra layers of UI everywhere. That's fine I guess. But what I ran into that I LOVE is making EVERY app full-screen, pretending there is no desktop or window management, and just swiping right/left among them. I wish there was a way to smooth out the UX so that this feels first-class and I stop accidentally breaking this illusion at times.
  • X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
    Funny, I hate that aspect
    • Waterluvian 5y ago
      Behold why UIs get super bloated over time. Users can want entirely different things. =)
    • pier25 5y ago
      Same. I never use spaces or apps in fullscreen (except when watching videos). I find it way easier to do CMD + TAB to switch between apps, than having to switch between spaces until I get to where I want to be.
      • hk1337 5y ago
        I use full screen when I am working just in the MacBook and no other screens attached. It’s simpler to swipe between desktops. It’s annoying when I use my external monitors.
      • williamdclt 5y ago
        cmd+tab does search across spaces though, doesn't it?
      • Henk0 5y ago
        Multiple desktops/spaces, with my mainstay apps each assigned to one desktop, fullscreened with BetterSnapTool, and helper apps like notes, terminal, calendar & mail assigned to all desktops then just swap between apps/spaces either by pressing the dock icon, by four-finger swipe (very quick if switching between adjacent spaces), or four-finger swipe up to open app expose and switch between apps or spaces. I love this setup, and whenever I'm forced to use Windows, I'm incredibly frustrated by its comparably terrible window & desktop management
• concinds 5y ago
  SharePlay to Mac (I tested audio) is utterly broken. Shockingly so. I just tried it again, and my music isn't paused, yet is stuck at 0:02. Pausing and unpausing it, and the song starts ticking, 0:03, 0:04, and so on, but you can't hear any audio. Pause it again. It goes back to 0:02. Now try this with AirPods connected to your Mac. Connect your iPhone's Apple Music to AirPlay to Mac. The YouTube video you had playing on your Mac gets paused, for no reason. But at least you hear your iPhone's audio on your Mac. Now pickup your iPhone. Your AirPods have now switched to your iPhone, that's still AirPlaying to Mac. You can't hear your music anymore. You reconnect the AirPods to your Mac. You can hear your iPhone music for a few minutes. Suddenly you can't hear anything. Pick up your phone, the volume slider in the Music app went all the way to the left. You can't move the volume slider to the right, like it's frozen; but the song is still playing. You go to Control Center, and finally manage to increase the volume. A minute later, the volume goes to zero again. If you were hoping to compensate for Spotify Connect not being on Apple Music, you'll be disappointed. Also, Safari has a bug that ignores your setting to not reopen non-private windows, and reopens them anyway, so if that's important to you, you may want to temporarily switch to another browser. And yes, it still has the "occasionally laggy trackpad cursor" bug on M1 for me. But other than that, it seems quite a bit faster than Big Sur, and so far (past 2 weeks), very stable on the core stuff.
  • gjsman-1000 5y ago
    I’ve noticed the cursor on M1 goes really laggy and buggy when you drain the battery to 0% (so it hibernates-ish) and then plug the laptop back in (waking it).
    • concinds 5y ago
      For me it happens when I have >2GB of swap, pretty consistently, which also coincides with when I have Civ 6 running or tons of tabs open.
    • lelandfe 5y ago
      I have it pretty consistently when playing games. It’s hugely frustrating.
• billiam 5y ago
  This is so limited. Where is the boldness? Five years ago I thought we would be at MaciOS by now. Precision with a gestural capability.
• systemvoltage 5y ago
  There seems to be some kind of a negative space exponential law. Margins and paddings increase with every release because designers can’t resist minimalism over density and usefulness.
  • spiderice 5y ago
    I'm not sure which specific elements you're referring to, but it very well could be in your head. I remember everyone complaining about the wasted space in the latest Safari tab redesign, until a designer showed that there is actually less wasted space in the new design than there was before. It just didn't look it. Not saying it's like this in every case. Just something to consider.
• endisneigh 5y ago
  Still no MST. Is this a hardware or software limitation?
  • sephamorr 5y ago
    Software. My 2012 MBP can do MST fine in Boot Camp, but the feature isn't implemented in the macOS drivers.
  • MrWiffles 5y ago
    Could you tell us what MST stands for? I doubt you mean “mountain standard time” :-)
    • endisneigh 5y ago
      Multi-stream transport. If you have a dock with say, HDMI and DisplayPort and have both plugged in, with a mac you can't use a single dock for multiple displays in this way. You'd have to use DisplayLink.
  • yborg 5y ago
    Apple's canonical answer is "use Thunderbolt". It will never be implemented.
• MrWiffles 5y ago
  I haven’t seen this anywhere when I’ve looked, so I’ll ask here on the slim chance maybe they really added something I badly want and somebody knows… Is there any application forced sandboxing feature yet? Something users can control to forcibly stop bad behavior from certain “must have” apps. Chrome, for example, has been caught doing entire drive scans on Windows, and I’m not sure I entirely trust Zoom either. So I’d like to lock down what they can access in terms of files, paths, devices and so on and be fully confident that even if my employer demands I run some software installer provided by their “partners” that it hasn’t installed some creepy daemon and configured launchd to keep it running after I kill the app or even kill -9 the process. Yes we can use VMs for this, but Mac laptops aren’t generally beefy machines, so that’s not an optimal solution. There used to be sandbox_exec, but I’ve heard they removed it entirely from this version. We’re now supposed to get things from the (cr)App Store, which guarantees the app will only have entitlements that Apple approves. But vendors are abandoning the App Store in droves for many good reasons, and after recent events I don’t totally trust Apple to prevent malicious use piggybacking on top of a legit entitlement.
  • DarthNebo 5y ago
    This is so critical, we've been scrutinising permissions on smartphones for so long & yet we have like an unlimited buffet for consumer desktop applications this entire time.
  • fnord123 5y ago
    > Is there any application forced sandboxing feature yet? Yes it's been there for a while. But like flatpak and all other attempts to sandbox applications they tend to ask for coarse permissions like Home Directory and once you give that, it can read everything important.
    • enriquto 5y ago
      It shouldn't matter what permissions an application asks for. It is up to the user to decide to grant the app access to a system, or to a mock system. The "sandboxing" model of flatpack and the like is completely backwards. I'd even say it's user-hostile.
• EamonnMR 5y ago
  If any apple product managers are reading this, the biggest thing holding MacOS back is that it global searches when you search a folder. I know there's a config setting for it, but dammit I want the default to be local file name search and full text search should be an off-by-default option, and search the whole hard drive should be a different also off by default option.
  • Smoofer 5y ago
    This is the _biggest_ thing holding MacOS back?
    • treeman79 5y ago
      Yes
    • fnord123 5y ago
      Reboot for an upgrade happens by holding a spin lock until it overheats and reboots. This happens every time on multiple computers so I think it's intentional(?) but the crash reports are pretty wild. No official package manager. The Macbook cases ground through the user when they're on an insulated surface (there is no ground pin on the Macbook power adapters). Audio crackles when the machine grounds through the user. Makes speakers hum. I guess some of these are hardware issues.
      • zepto 5y ago
        What do you want from an ‘official’ package manager?
        • smoldesu 5y ago
          For one, it would at least solve the issue of MacOS' coreutils being perpetually outdated. Secondly, it would be a nice way for developers to skip the burning dumpster fire otherwise known as the App Store when distributing basic apps, without having to download untrusted third-party software. As for specific features, I'd really like to see a list of all the different MacOS components so I can remove the things I don't care about (iMessages, Photos, Facetime, etc.) like I can do on all my Linux boxes. It would be nice to have integration with MacOS' various distribution formats too, and while we're asking I'd love to see a declarative approach like NixOS, that would really put MacOS head-and-shoulders above your average Linux distro.
• throwawaymanbot 5y ago
  Surveillance baked right in. Hashing yo data.
• sam_goody 5y ago
  I bought a 2019 iMac with a Fusion drive. In the next major update (High Sierra), Apple switched to APFS, which has issues with Fusion drives. It often shows as having no empty space, even with 40% empty. Much, much worse, it stops writing to disk without giving any indication (the non written items show in finder, etc.) - for some ten hours or more - and then suddenly crashes and you find that the entire days worth of work is completely gone. Not on disk, not on external backup, not in Time Machine. This happens EVERY DAY, at least once a day, when using heavy programs such as Photoshop. There are many threads about the issue, and the only solution is to get a new non-Fusion drive and copy over everything. Much easier said than done. I cannot even begin to describe how much aggravation Apple has caused, and how little faith I have in them testing their upgrades. And of course, the whole play with searching my hard drive for something their algorithm thinks goes against my local government [which plays for keeps, thank you] - doesn't help.
  • reaperducer 5y ago
    Sorry to hear about your problems. But what does it have to do with the topic at hand: the new version of macOS?
  • 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
    Contact AppleCare, immediately ask for a Tier 2 advisor, and insist they file an RTA (Request for Technical Assistance). RTAs go to engineering directly. I 100% agree though, as someone who supports a wide range of macs, APFS can absolutely cripple anything with a fusion drive / hard drive, and it's particularly infuriating because Apple sold models with JUST spinning rust for wayyyyy too long.
• fnord123 5y ago
  >Stream movies and TV shows while on a FaceTime call with friends. With synced playback and controls, you’ll see everyone laugh, jump, and react to the same moments at the same time. And the volume automatically adjusts, so you can keep talking while you watch. Pretty sure this is illegal.
  • pas 5y ago
    maybe only works with "apple tv", and they have the license for it?
    • banana_giraffe 5y ago
      It works with several streaming providers. The API is opt in though (Coordinated Media Playback), so the providers need to implement some hooks to make it work, meaning they've decided they have the rights. Notably, Netflix doesn't allow it, but Disney+, Huly and HBO Max do.
  • Nextgrid 5y ago
    Is it illegal to invite friends over to watch a movie?
  • TheDong 5y ago
    The feature that line refers to is called "shareplay". Read the info here: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/shareplay/overview/ https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... I'll quote a few things: > While sharing media during a FaceTime call, each participant views the content within your app running on their device > if people must log in, download content, or make a payment before they can participate, display views that help them perform these tasks before showing the activity UI > providing a free trial or special offer lets people sample your content during a group activity As you can see, it requires everyone to own the content, and it also requires the other apps (like the netflix, youtube, HBO, or whatever app) to opt in to supporting it. I don't see any way this could be illegal.
• wffurr 5y ago
  Did they fix the misplaced keyboard focus and missing tab order when you mistype a password on the lock screen? That's been making me crazy for the last few macOS releases.
• megablast 5y ago
  Have they finally fixed the issue of when you click something, and it suddenly changes, you end up clicking the wrong thing?
• soheil 5y ago
  Doesn't work on iMac 5k from late 2014.
• fleddr 5y ago
  I've come to the discovery that I'm a deeply anti social being. Watching a TV show "together", remotely, sounds like the stuff of nightmares to me. If you insist, we can do a 2 min review after the show. During the show, you stay quiet. Don't ask questions, I didn't see the show either. You're allowed a laugh, a silent tear or a brief "wow", keep deeper reflections on how the footage makes you feel to yourself. When you watch, you pay full attention, or leave the room. It would be factually incorrect to say "I must be fun at parties" due to a lack of data.
• rpmisms 5y ago
  Huh. I don't use Apple apps, looks pretty similar to me. Nice and snappy. Good job Apple. Late 2020 Macbook Air M1.
  • blufish 5y ago
    i wonder how apple used ai on the os keen to know more
  • diebeforei485 5y ago
    Look Around (Apple's version of Street View) is amazing.
• moretti 5y ago
  Can anyone confirm if the final build number is the same as 12.0.1 RC2 (21A559)? You can run `$ sw_vers` from the CLI to check it.
  • pps 5y ago
    Yes, it's the same build version
• eweise 5y ago
  Looks like a lot of great upgrades to apps I've never used.
• smasher164 5y ago
  Okay macOS, if you’re gonna deprecate kexts, please give us a VFS API that fulfills the role of macFUSE, not the syncthing-esque API of FileProvider.
• baby 5y ago
  obligatory: why not tabs on the side?
• subset 5y ago
  The most infuriating bug for me is that Preview opens each PDF in a new window instead of tabs (even with 'Prefer tabs always' selected in Sys Pref).
• IceWreck 5y ago
  Dear Apple, I have no interest in using your locked down operating systems. On the other hand, your M1 based hardware is excellent. Please open up your drivers so I can run Linux on it at full performance (instead of using reverse engineered drivers which will probably never reach the performance levels of the proprietary drivers). Thank You
• elSidCampeador 5y ago
  any news on whether we can control external monitor brightness with lunar on Monterey with M1? I miss that feature
  • Synaesthesia 5y ago
    I beleive there was a software update for that
• Synaesthesia 5y ago
  It runs really well on my 2012 Macbook Pro thanks to OCLP. Better even than Big Sur so far.
  • AnonC 5y ago
    How did you get it to run on a 2021 MBP, since macOS Monterey drops support even for the 2013 and some 2014 models?
    • afro88 5y ago
      I think OP is referring to this when they say OCLP: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
      • AnonC 5y ago
        Thank you!
• nitins_jakta 5y ago
  I hope Apple will add an accessibility option to disable temporal dithering in the OS. It causes a minority of people eyestrain, vertigo and migraines. See LEDstrain.org.
• crawrey 5y ago
  I just upgraded to Monterey on my Macbook Pro 2018 15-inch and after rebooting, all of the USB-C ports stopped working, including the power adapter. I spent some time on the phone with Apple Support trying to figure out how to fix it. After about an hour and a half there was about 18% battery left before I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. After panicking, the 3rd Apple Support Representative and I endeavoured to try and reset the System Management Controller (SMC) [1] once again. At this point I had realised that the first few times that I tried this with a previous support representative would not have worked, as I was holding shift on the left-hand side of the keyboard (the previous support representative did not specify) and not the right-hand side as outlined in the support article for Macs with the T2 chip. Good luck! 1. https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201295
  • dual_dingo 5y ago
    > I just upgraded to Monterey > I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. Upgrading to a new OS on release day without a prior backup. You like to live dangerously, do you?
    • hnarn 5y ago
      This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.
      • dual_dingo 5y ago
        I am not very experienced with Arch, but my impression is that it is actually more reliable when updating/upgrading then going to a new major MacOS release, which is an absolute disagrace given the fact that Apple can actually test their stuff on every single hardware model it is supposed to run. And no, my experience on general user behaviour is to expect no backup, but this isn't Auntie Ednas crocheting Facebook group, but Hacker News :)
• vletal 5y ago
  > Grid view shows people on your FaceTime call in the same‑size tiles, so you can have better conversations with a large group. The speaker is automatically highlighted so you always know who’s talking. Is none at Apple actually using FaceTime? I remember seeing group FaceTime for the first time approx a year ago. It looked like a 90' screen saver. I was completely astonished. Like 10 years ago was late for this kind of update.
• jabl 5y ago
  Any word on the fate of OpenGL? Yes, it was deprecated ages ago in favor of Metal, but Apple still shipped an OpenGL implementation. However, I read some rumors that in Monterey they have finally ripped it out. Can anyone confirm or deny?
  • galad87 5y ago
    OpenGL and OpenCL are still available.
    • jabl 5y ago
      Thanks for checking!
• louissm_it 5y ago
  Upgraded M1. No issues, super snappy, looks great.
• sneak 5y ago
  Big Sur is the first macOS since I have been using macOS (I distinctly recall being extremely excited to install System 7) where the next major version (Monterey) came out before I had installed it onto any of my daily driver systems. I'm not really sure what this says about macOS product management decisions, but I don't think it's a good thing. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/fucking-apple-4/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/fucking-apple-4/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/can-light-gray-text-on-light-gray-backgrounds-please-stop-being-a-thing/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/can-light-gray-text-on-ligh...
  • Vuska 5y ago
    These links go to a NSFW image if you have a Hacker News referrer.
    • sneak 5y ago
      jwz's been doing that for most of a decade now, approximately everyone who should know that already knows that.
    • Toutouxc 5y ago
      Wow, that's kinda immature.
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• kappuchino 5y ago
  If you own an apple computer that has just dropped support, try the open core legcy patcher (https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/) after doing a backup(always!). I just upgraded my dear MacBook Air 11 from 2014 to Monterey and it just runs ... so 3 more years of patches for this machine :-D.
  • joconde 5y ago
    > What is OpenCore? > This is a sophisticated boot loader used to inject and patch data in memory, instead of on disk. I suppose that works because old MacBooks didn't have signed bootloaders?
  • empressplay 5y ago
    mid-2012 MBP 13 inch, used OCLP and Monterey works at least as well as Catalina (better in many respects)
• hank_z 5y ago
  Private replay in macOS Monterey is not compatible with content restrictions in screen time. If you use screen time to block some websites, private relay won’t work. Has Anyone found a solution yet?
• TerNerss 5y ago
  Macbook Pro 2020 13-inch doesn't turn on after this actions: 1) Downloaded Monterey update. In the end appeared error message that some package with strange name can't be unpacked 2) Downloaded Big Sur 1.16.1 update, because information about Monterey disappeared and there were not any button to install new OS. 3) System was automatically rebooted after 2), started update screen in few minutes and macbook completely turned off with no signs of power. Resseting SMC, NVRAM didn't help. Battery was 73% when started updates.
  • TerNerss 5y ago
    Solve: https://mrmacintosh.com/how-to-restore-bridgeos-on-a-t2-mac-how-to-put-a-mac-into-dfu-mode/ https://mrmacintosh.com/how-to-restore-bridgeos-on-a-t2-mac-...
• xyst 5y ago
  Not advertised. But with the new 16 in MBP and “M1 Max” CPU, it supports up to 3 6K displays - https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-pro/use-an-external-display-apd8cdd74f57/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-pro/use-an-external-.... There must be at least one reviewer out there with 3 of the pro xdr displays. (this is roughly $28K by the way)
• 8fingerlouie 5y ago
  Yet another release that misses a crucial feature. With the recent years push to store "everything in the cloud", macOS sorely needs a way to backup cloud content. Currently the only way to do so, is to create a "server" machine that pulls everything from the cloud and stores it locally, which you can then backup. Since most modern computers are sold with harddrives size equivalent of a USB Stick, and cloud storage is typically 2-10 times larger, this means you need to add even more hardware just to hold the data you just want to backup. Considering that Apple is pretty vague with regards to exactly how protected your iCloud data is, and they themselves strongly recommend that you backup your iCloud data, i find it an odd omision that the only way to do it is part manual process, part synchronize stuff locally before backing it up. All it would take (on the UI end) was an option in Time Machine to include "mac optimized storage". Third party support gets a bit more complicated. Where Microsoft OneDrive, Google Drive and Dropbox all use placeholder files, iCloud placeholders apparently only exists inside "Finder", so most third party backup software won't be able to see these files.
• spurgu 5y ago
  I tend to just surf through MacOS releases. It's mostly just updates to the native apps which I don't use anyways, so I'm rarely affected neither positively nor negatively. Well, Big Sur made the notification widget/area worse for me, but other than that I can't remember any significant changes in the past 5 years since I've been using Mac.