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Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED whi
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Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).
- wyattpeak 5y ago> 3nm is not actually 3nm It's a stretch to blame that on Samsung, processor generations described in nanometres haven't been based on actual component size for years now, by any manufacturer.
- KronisLV 5y agoI feel that if numbers were all wrong in, say, the automotive or aerospace industries, there'd be more of an upheaval about it. Then again, the nanometer sizes aren't always completely indicative of performance and aren't necessary to be used in any capacity when actually using a computing device, so maybe it's not as bad. Dishonest marketing, though? Most certainly.
- rurounijones 5y agoGamersNexus on Youtube have a great video detailing all the issues with processor naming with regards to sizing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxKGFxmwcDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxKGFxmwcDo
- MikusR 5y agoAnd cpus are just sand
- marcodiego 5y agoWhat is the best metric nowadays? Dhrystones/MIPS/FLOPS per MHz/Watt per square inch? As a complete outsider, millions of transistors per square inch sounds like a very intuitive metric of how small things are.
- rrss 5y agohttps://spectrum.ieee.org/a-better-way-to-measure-progress-in-semiconductors https://spectrum.ieee.org/a-better-way-to-measure-progress-i...
- vondur 5y agoI prefer bogomips.
- skissane 5y agoIf we are just looking at the fabrication process, as opposed to CPU architecture, MTr/mm² – million transistors per a square millimetre. But transistor density can be variable depending on the type of circuit, so the standard calculation uses a weighted average of two different cell types – NAND2 and SFF (scan flip-flop) https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mtr-mm%C2%B2 https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mtr-mm%C2%B2
- perl4ever 5y agoA while ago, I just tried taking any figure I could find for transistors per area, for various processes/chips, ignoring all the nuances, and taking the square root to get the implied linear density, and if I recall correctly, it was pretty consistently 1/10th of the usually quoted figure. Whatever the ratio was, it seemed to be roughly consistent going back like 30 years, which surprised me. So now I don't believe there actually has been a drift towards marketing and inaccuracy. And believe the details of what kind of cells is just excessive precision.
- monocasa 5y agoIf you were comparing it to the Nnm figures, that actually checks out and is higher than I thought it would be. Nnm has been "feature size" not transistor size for eons now. It's the size of the smallest single shape the process node can do. So, like the width of a corner of a fin on a finfet.
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- benatkin 5y ago> I'm fed up Cool. I'm excited to get another Samsung phone. Suit yourself.
- philg_jr 5y agoI might be excited about a Samsung phone if it didn’t have a lame version of Android on it.
- benatkin 5y agoThe Samsung apps and interface are fine. Google apps cause me the most frustration - particularly Google Maps. I don't use the OK Google feature, so am fine that Bixby is occasionally getting in my way rather than OK Google.
- p1necone 5y agoI agree calling their display tech QLED is pretty shady, and clearly just intended to confuse people. But I'm glad their high end display tech is not OLED yet, because nobody seems to have solved burn in satisfactorily yet (if you play a lot of games or use them with a PC).
- dota_fanatic 5y agoI've been using an LG OLED for 5 years with an HTPC. Lots of gameplay and leaving it on all day with eg a web browser open. I haven't experienced any burn in.
- ndiddy 5y agoWould you mind taking a photo of your TV showing a 50% gray screen?
- pcurve 5y agooh god, I shudder at the thought of trying this test on my old screen because I know what the result is going to be like.
- dota_fanatic 5y agohttps://imgur.com/a/mMuy5fj https://imgur.com/a/mMuy5fj Poor lighting in this room, taken w/ an iPhone 12 Mini. Just grabbed the first result of "50% gray screen" from youtube. I can see some vertical stripes if I look closely, but that seems to be general aging and not burn in. At least I can't think of any images that could have burned in that pattern with what I've used the screen for. Tbh this picture makes it look worse than it appears but you'll just have to take my word on that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This TV has gotten a lot of (ab)use, much more than a typical home I would think. I'm glad you suggested this test because now I have some fuel for upgrading in 2022. ;) I wouldn't say the aging I can see from this test is noticeable in most cases, but it's a tool I'll use in the future to see how the striping worsens.
- tbonebrad 5y agoMy 3 year old 65” LG OLED is having the red pixels burn out already and it looks horrible. My 85” Samsung looks just as good to me (even better some times because it gets brighter).
- lend000 5y agoI thought the Q stood for quantum dot, which they actually use? (Not that that makes them unique nowadays).
- p1necone 5y agoYeah but do you really think they didn't choose that acronym, with that upper case Q with no intention to make people think they were OLEDs/similar to OLEDS. QLED OLED
- refulgentis 5y agoYes. Occam's Razor would demand it
- soylentnewsorg 5y agoI Really do think so. Because it's exactly following the naming standard of existing displays. Go to Walmart. Go to the TV section. You see all those LED TVs? They're both LCD and LED. That LED portion is used for a light source. Q stands for Quantum dot, which is another grid layer on top of the LED layer, to improve that LED light. The reason for the upper case Q, is because upper case is just how acronyms roll. Now, tell us about jew space lasers starting forest fires.
- p1necone 5y agoManufacturers only started calling LCDs with LED backlights "LED TVs" when OLED tech started getting hyped up too. It's the same kind of bullshit marketing.
- soylentnewsorg 5y agoActually, you're conveniently omitting a part of that history, which completely negates your point. First it was LCD and Plasma. Then Plasma went away completely, and you had fluorescent backlit LCD. What's the point of calling something LCD when it's all LCD? Was the Sony Trinitron called a CRT? No, it was called a Trinitron, because everything was CRT. When LED started happening, it wasn't just a big backlight like the old gas backlit LCD. There were many LEDs, and they were selectively turned on or off to save energy and greatly improve contrast. Not just a dumb backlight like "LCD" in the days when it was competing with Plasma. So yes, LED, which provided the Luminance channel of the image, was a completely valid way to call it. >LED backlights "LED TVs" when OLED tech started getting hyped up well this is simply false. LED TVs came out over a decade before OLED TVs and were called LED TVs. Since the Q applies to the LED, not the LCD part of the TV, QLED is exactly and the only proper way to call it. It's the same kind of bullshit conspiracy theory as "covid is a hoax" and "the election was stolen." The QLED and LED name have zero to do with marketing. They literally describe the TV.
- rendall 5y agoTheir high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A hard button on the side of your phone located just below the "volume down" button, easy to press accidentally, that is hard-coded and unconfigurable, that will launch their AI assistant Bixby. Don't want to use Bixby? Tough shit. Nothing you can do about it. * Constant badgering by the phone's native notification to sign up for "Samsung Members", a social media platform. No, you can't turn that off. * Other, similar bullshit. 3nm? These are such sketchy practices I cannot imagine it won't affect, say, their high-end TVs (they would totally monitor your house and show you advertisements). Seriously, avoid that company. No, paying for their high-end options will not insulate you from their nonsense.
- benatkin 5y agoGoogle uploads to their servers. They aren't anointed. You can turn off sync. Same as Google. Samsung software isn't worse than Apple or Google IMO.
- spfzero 5y agoSure, you have a right to your opinion. IMO Samsung software is far worse than Apple's. Many reasons why, but for one, with an older Apple phone you will still get very timely upgrades to their latest software for many more years than you would with a Samsung phone.
- MikusR 5y agoYou don't need full system updates on android to update browser and other apps.
- short12 5y agoIt is far worse than the Google and apple experience. They routinely make inferior versions of an app that would be redicously easy to clone. They need to realize they are a hardware company, not a software company And that goes for all of their product lines across the board. It's all garbage software. Its a shame they intentionally cripple excellent hardware with crap Until they stop that practice they are not even a potential option for me. I don't get why they can't save the money and just make a good pure Android experience
- worrycue 5y ago> 3nm is not actually 3nm To be fair, I read the Xnm labelling is pretty much pure marketing at this point - since 45nm; https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node#Meaning_lost https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node#Meaning_lost
- cycomanic 5y agoI'm a photonics/optics and I find the Xnm figure really fascinating. It is based on a real metric which is the smallest feature size they can make (roughly the resolution of the lithography process). It is absolutely amazing that we have been able to scale things down to image at that level.
- Hypx_ 5y agoNote that with the rise of finFETs we can pull some of those numbers into the 3rd dimension. The effective gate length is higher than the amount of length it takes on the flat plane of the chip. https://semiengineering.com/moving-to-gaa-fets/ https://semiengineering.com/moving-to-gaa-fets/
- imtringued 5y ago3nm means the process is equivalent in density and performance to a 3nm planar transistor that Samsung designed. I don't see how that is dishonorable marketing because every company designed their own reference planar transistors.