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Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked
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- jsiepkes 5y ago> An unreleased Steam competitor, codenamed Vapor, from Amazon Game Studios The choosing of the name Vapor is probably no accident when the main competitor is Steam. Just like when IBM launched the "Eclipse foundation" which was arguably based on one of Sun's most prized possessions; Java.
- bogwog 5y agoThat sounds like an internal product name. At launch they'll probably pick something significantly less clever and more generic. It would be pretty awesome if they stuck with "Vapor" though. It'd be some WWE-style drama, and great for marketing.
- scrollaway 5y agoWe could call games released on there Vaporware :)
- xdrosenheim 5y agoAnd sales would come in Vaporwaves.
- paxys 5y agoEclipse makes sense, but vapor is just..another word for steam?
- dijit 5y agoI worked for Nokia for a brief moment in time and the Nokia E71 (or another in that line) was internally codenamed "BeeBee" (like: blackberry) which was comical to me given that the phone looked a lot like a contemporary era blackberry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E71 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E71 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Curve
- d3nj4l 5y agoThe E71 was a god tier device. Owned one for a good bit as a teen and it was the perfect phone for that time IMO. You could even WhatsApp on it until relatively recently.
- stevecat 5y agoYep! E71, E72, and E6 were some of my most loved phones. My love of that form factor meant that my first foray into Android was the HTC ChaCha - that was a mistake.
- kawsper 5y agoI had a Qtek 8300 running Windows Mobile 5.0, it really felt like a computing device before smart phones appeared. It was slow and buggy, but it felt like a handheld computer. Qtek rebranded to HTC and I bought a HTC Touch running Windows Mobile 6.0, I am not sure when or what I switched to afterwards, maybe an Android.
- epse 5y agoOh man qtek flashbacks. I had a 5050, great device but good lord the battery life ducked as soon as you connected to anything (and it only had mobile data, no WiFi, unless you put in an sd expansion card). No more battery? Then your data gets wiped
- Lorin 5y ago100% agreed, my first smart phone and I still miss some features to this day. Really great. Shame no one makes a physical keyboard attachment or a follow up Blackberry device.
- 14u2c 5y agoAlmost the exact same situation for me except it was the E61. I remember playing DOOM on it for the first time and being quite impressed.
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- chrisjc 5y agoEclipse... Sun... how did I go all these years without noticing this!
- Arathorn 5y agoIBM weren't the only people to play that game. The codename for the SGI Indigo was also Eclipse, for similar reasons, iirc.
- monkeybutton 5y agoAnd where do explorers like to go? On safaris.
- Asraelite 5y agoKind of a funny choice when "vaporware" is a thing.
- checkyoursudo 5y agoOh ho ho! Vapor is what I call my shell function that launches Steam. Guess I am on to something.
- junon 5y agoIt won't work, I don't understand why they're bothering. You can't compete with steam, unless you're trying to hit a niche market.
- meibo 5y agoAmazon has even more money to throw at studios than Epic, so they can just force themselves into it.
- junon 5y agoThe problem isn't the product. I was going to compete with Steam at one point and we had objectively better systems and a better client. The problem was the critical mass issue - no users, no publishers, neither want to join without the other. Amazon will definitely get publishers but will users join? That's not a given.
- lbhdc 5y agoI would imagine they would attempt to secure exclusive rights to a popular title and only distribute it from their new platform. I believe that is what epic did when they launched their store.
- baud147258 5y agoEpic did that, plus giving away loads of free games, like a new free game every two weeks.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoYeah, and a lot of people loathe them for it. I'm one of them.
- trey-jones 5y agoAnd my axe.
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- incahoots 5y ago>vapor >vaporware I see no issue here
- adolph 5y agoAnother lovely naming story: When new sounds for System 7 were created, the sounds were reviewed by Apple's Legal Department who objected that the new sound alert "chime" had a name that was "too musical", under the recent settlement [with Beatles' record label Apple Records]. Jim Reekes, the creator of the new sound alerts for System 7, had grown frustrated with the legal scrutiny and first quipped it should be named "Let It Beep", a pun on "Let It Be". When someone remarked that that would not pass the Legal Department's approval, he remarked, "so sue me". After a brief reflection, he resubmitted the sound's name as sosumi (a homophone of "so sue me"). Careful to submit it in written form rather than spoken form to avoid pronunciation, he told the Legal Department that the name was Japanese and had nothing to do with music. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi
- darklycan51 5y agoAnyone who played new world private alpha new this, the first alpha (closed) had an amazon games Epic Games like client, they choose to remove it for new world public beta and release but I knew they had been working on it because of it
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- rvr_ 5y agoThis kind of leak looks like an insider's job. What measures should and org take to avoid this? How does big tech deal with secrecy?
- sydthrowaway 5y agoCouldn't help but contrast this to another item on the front page.. the irony of video game streamers making many times more than the lifetime earnings of Nobel Prize winners :)
- JohnWhigham 5y agoSo do many actors. Streamers are just entertainers.
- heroku 5y agowhat is the irony?
- adolph 5y agovalue != earnings science != commerce something truly novel is hard to evaluate in money
- irae 5y agoSports and Entertainment has always been a way to leap frog hard work. I am not saying at all it is not deserved. I am quite ok with them earning millions. But it does make a lot of us pull this comparison, both in achievements for humanity and in effort spent in their endeavors. I personally never played or wish to play the fame lottery, I prefer the hard work path.
- SamPatt 5y agoI am guessing the most popular streamers have gotten where they are by hard work. Yes some is luck, attractiveness, etc. But that's true in all careers. Just because they're playing games doesn't mean they aren't working. Athletes get insane amounts of money to play games. They exert themselves more physically, but I expect being a top steamer day in and out isn't a cake walk either.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y agoYeah, a lot of people, especially younger folks that want to be a streamer, miss the fact that people don't watch streamers just to watch someone play a game, they watch them because the streamer is entertaining. Unless you're an absolute god at whatever game you're playing, nobody wants to simply watch you play a game. People come for the live commentary and audience interaction. Being a successful stream takes charisma and cleverness, and being clever and charismatic for 3+ hours straight to entertain your audience can be exhausting.
- cvak 5y agoseems like it's already posted here, sorry: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28770135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28770135
- google234123 5y agoThat site is NSFW. This is a better post. Here is the 4chan thread if people are interested https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438
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- terramex 5y ago> Some Twitter users have started making their way through the 125GB of information that has leaked, with one claiming that the torrent also includes encrypted passwords, and recommending that users change their passwords to be safe. Twitch just asked me to change password for the first time, so it sounds credible.
- swarnie 5y agoKind of worrying considering my twitch is linked to my Amazon account, and all my banking credentials are linked to Amazon.
- rawling 5y agoThat's only a very narrow link though, isn't it? Just lets you claim Prime benefits, doesn't give access to Amazon purchasing or payment details or anything?
- Workaccount2 5y agoIf it's any comfort, for some reason twitch uses Xsolla as it's payment processor. That is, you cannot pay for premium twitch with your amazon account.
- floatboth 5y agoThat's just an alternative option. You get Xsolla if you click "more payment options". Amazon Pay is the default.
- jrootabega 5y agoAgreed. Hopefully you will be correcting that.
- thinkingemote 5y agoIts possible, if theres a full database dump that direct messages could also be leaked, which could be incredibly damaging. I'd guess that these would be in another storage medium however. One wonders. Why are encrypted passwords stored in an external code repository?
- iamevn 5y agoHere's another link https://sizeof.cat/post/twitch-leaks/ https://sizeof.cat/post/twitch-leaks/ Looks real to me based on the archive I managed to download so far
- frou_dh 5y agoWhat's the legality of downloading something like this? If someone is on the torrent they're effectively distributing it as well as downloading.
- hnick 5y agoI think it would at least be the same as sharing other copyrighted content, whether or not the "hacking" part comes into it.
- GravitasFailure 5y agoIn the US, you're fine. The laws that exist barring possession of information largely revolve around copyright, CSAM, or classified information (only relevant if you have a clearance), and none of those really apply here.
- hnick 5y agoSource code is copyrighted surely? You can't share ebooks just because the "source" is open and visible, copyright applies to all creative works.
- waynesonfire 5y agoThere is fair use exceptions? I'm no expert here but Google says, Since copyright law favors encouraging scholarship, research, education, and commentary, a judge is more likely to make a determination of fair use if the defendant's use is noncommercial, educational, scientific, or historical.
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- fc373745 5y ago>the leak was intended to “foster more disruption and competition in the online video streaming space” because “their community is a disgusting toxic cesspool”. the irony in that it was leaked to 4chan
- throwawayswede 5y agoI have a theory that the more people use words like “toxic” or “cesspool” the more likely they are the ones causing and creating it.
- d3nj4l 5y agoIt's almost certainly tongue in cheek.
- squarefoot 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
- incahoots 5y agoThey’re using it “ironically” which at this point is coming off as genuine
- h_anna_h 5y agoNot really, I would go as far as to argue that it is less toxic than reddit, twitter, and even HN.
- throwrqX 5y agoThis is patently ridiculous. The biggest boards on 4chan, particularly /pol/ have widespread support for the genocide of Jews, black people, Muslims and women. Well maybe not all women, a more common view is instead that they should be enslaved to men. This kind of correction should give an idea of what kind of ideas are popular there.
- lemoncookiechip 5y agoLink to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazon Gifts and sponsorship deals... are not included) Total gross payout in the leak (2019/8 to 2021/10) was 4.2 billion dollars across 344k users. (based on data points above alone but could be wrong since it's annons on 4chan.) PS: Make sure to change your Twitch (and possibly Prime) password. Twitch is already prompting users to do so based on Reddit posts.
- swarnie 5y agoWagies donating to millionaires is probably the funniest thing i can imagine.
- msie 5y agoI was watching a streamer the other day and she was doing some stunt because another streamer promised her an iphone 13 pro. But now I realize she could buy hundreds of them! Argh. Here i am waiting two months so i could afford to put a down payment on one.
- freeflight 5y agoI don't think it's funny, I think it's sad because most of it comes from the emotional exploitation of parasocial relationships. Something we used to scoff at in places like Asia, now even casual relationships are utterly commoditized and we taught a whole generation of young humans how that's the most normal thing in the world.
- msie 5y agoThank you! The hypocrisy is huge.
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- hkai 5y agoIs this the first major porn site to be hacked?
- y4mi 5y agoTwitch is not porn. It's maybe a gateway to onlyfans, but you cannot have sexual content on twitch. Even YouTube allows more nudity then twitch. So yes, there are girls wearing bikinis and underwear on camera, but that's as far as it goes.
- vadfa 5y agoThat depends on your definition of sexual. If you have someone in underwear with the sole purpose of arousing people of the opposite sex, that is pretty sexual to me.
- slightwinder 5y agoPorn and sexual are not the same. There is a line, and so far Twitch stays on the safe side of it.
- bettysdiagnose 5y agoThe claim the commenter you replied to was referring to was: > you cannot have sexual content on twitch Which is obviously completely, completely false.
- pixxel 5y agoThey are not the same. Defined age-restricted pornography is arguably better than highly sexualised content aimed at children and their pocket money.
- onedr0p 5y agoIt's sarcasm my dude. Twitch is notorious for giving female streamers a pass when it comes to nudity or inappropriate behavior, all the while banning male members for accidentally clicking on a NSFW link and it being shown on steam for seconds.
- Semaphor 5y agoThis is somewhat hilarious. Just 5 days ago I was complaining about Twitch’s new "Only verified users" setting which requires me to give them my phone number. One of the reasons I said I’ll not do that was "hacks, leaks". And now this. Sure, I’ll give you my phone number to add TOTP (Why even?) after I’ve just been shown how secure that data is.
- jrootabega 5y agoFor every conscientious person like you, there are 100 kids, who don't even have fully formed brains, desperate to participate in this system.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI don't really get this. My phone number is apparently already known by every scammer and spammer on earth, which is why I never answer calls from people I don't know, so what am I losing? Meanwhile, Twitch has had a significant bot spamming problem.
- Semaphor 5y agoI’m also subscribed to a few channels. I’m pretty sure that is a far stronger signal that I’m not a bot than getting my phone number. And unlike most people, I only had 2 or 3 spam calls, and maybe 10 spam SMS on the number I’ve had for almost 20 years.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoOk so you don't want them to have your phone number but you're ok with them having your payment details?
- Semaphor 5y agoPretty much my PayPal account, only. And even otherwise, any fuckups there, my bank is liable. My phone number? Outside of changing my 20-year-old number, there’d be nithing I could do. > And even otherwise, any fuckups there, my bank is liable. My phone number? Outside of changing my 20-year-old number, there’d be nothing I could do.
- _hilro 5y agoTop earner is a role playing group. How interesting. > A band of professional voice actors improvises, role-plays and rolls their way through a `Dungeon and Dragons' campaign.
- JonathanFly 5y ago>Top earner is a role playing group. How interesting. A group of professional voice actors who put on a real show every week, with extremely high production quality. A real standout on the list and well deserving of the #1 spot. A personal favorite moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnl5r3hp1_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnl5r3hp1_k I've always loved the spells in D&D that talk to plants. "You imbue plants within 30 feet of you with limited sentience and animation, giving them the ability to communicate with you and follow your simple commands." Every casting of the spell is a Flowers For Algernon tragedy, as the plants around you realize they will only be sentient for 10 minutes and then fade back into nothingness.
- the_duke 5y agoCritical Role is a relatively big deal. They did a Kickstarter to turn the first season of the live DnD campaign into an animated show, which finished at over 10 million. The rights have been bought by Amazon and it will release on Prime.
- worrycue 5y ago> Critical Role did a Kickstarter to turn the first season of the live DnD campaign into an animated show, which finished at over 10 million. Sounds like how Record of Lodoss War got started - RPG session gets recorded and it went from there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War
- aosaigh 5y agoHow many other sites of this size have had breaches of this magnitude (financial, source code, database etc.)? This seems enormous.
- a_f 5y agoThe EA one comes to mind, which was recent. They had access to the source of a number of games, including unreleased ones as well as the Frostbite engine if I recall correctly. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57431987 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57431987
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- rvz 5y ago> Twitch is aware of the breach, the source said, and it’s believed that the data was obtained as recently as Monday. Does that mean that Twitch has very poor security systems that the entire infrastructure and data of Twitch was breached and it all fell into the hands of this so-called hacker? Compared to the Epik breach weeks ago, this one is a lot worse. I don't know what the point around this breach is for but surely the so-called hackers that have done this have now made matters worse for all Twitch streamers now. That was Part 1. Waiting for what is in Part 2.
- Deukhoofd 5y agoFrom what I understand there was a way to access their internal enterprise github instance, which gave them access to all the source code, and a bunch of internal documents and database dumps.
- arthur_sav 5y agoSo pretty much everything...
- bawolff 5y agoGit is one thing, but random db dumps is pretty surprising to me.
- herbst 5y ago> Waiting for what is in Part 2. Twitch likely stores a lot of payment information too, i don't see why they would be better secured than anything else in this dump. Could get interesting
- Nextgrid 5y agoPayment information would be tokenized and can only be used with their own merchant account. I'd be very surprised if they stored raw card data.
- lethalbas 5y agodoes any1 have the link to the leaked password hashes? askin for a friend
- rawling 5y agoAccording to the /g/ link at the top of the thread, they're not in this "part 1" torrent.
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- 1121redblackgo 5y agoAre you seriously asking for pw hashes.
- johprats 5y agoIt seems that you should start changing your credentials just in case. A lot of credentials will be sold at a high price.
- jollybean 5y agoHN is vastly concerned about privacy and screaming about FB transgression on these issues etc., but the top post here is about disseminating private information of 10's of thousands of people.
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- cableshaft 5y agoYou can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's out there now, might as well examine what you can learn from it and discuss it. FB is a business making conscious and deliberate decisions and can be called out on it in part because things like this can happen. I mean they just made such a massive goof that they completely took down their own site, other massive sites they owned, and locked their own employees out of their buildings just two days ago for almost a full day. They can certainly screw up and be victim to a leak like this as well.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoThis is the same logic that a lot of people used during The Fappening. If we think it is immoral to steal this data then we should not condone people copying it and analyzing it as that's just benefiting from someone else doing the dirty work for us.
- tailspin2019 5y agoHey you’re not really living up to your username there with that morally sound logic.
- tailspin2019 5y ago> might as well examine what you can learn from it and discuss it. Thats the sort of high minded thing that WE might do here, but I worry about how this data is going to be weaponised against a whole bunch of people just trying to make a living from things they're passionate about. I'm not a streamer (yet?) but I kind of see Twitch as this haven for a bunch of people who, until the advent of streaming, didn't really have an outlet, or an easy way to find like minded people, let alone (in some cases) make a living. I used to write off Twitch as a crazy fad that didn't make any sense to me. Then I spent a bit of time on there and realised what an awesome bunch of people (mainly) inhabit that place. I feel very sorry for anyone caught up in this who goes onto experience some of the inevitable downsides. I can just see morons in the chat on various streams constantly bringing up how much the streamer earns (or doesn't earn) etc.
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- pid-1 5y agoManaged git services suck at providing security that scales beyond a few devs. Most orgs that use GitHub are exposed to the risk of having their source code leaked by current or past employees. I'm hoping this leak will have serious financial consequences and bring awareness to that.
- madeofpalk 5y agoHow do you stop that? To write the code you need to have access to it. Really it just comes down to trust, and not having anything actually sensitive in the code, no?
- yupitr 5y agoCan anyone share magnet?
- zalequin 5y agomagnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI&dn=twitch-leaks-part-one&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce
- _u 5y agoOne of the leaked directories is called event-engineering/covfefe. Haven't had the time to torrent the file. I wonder what's inside.
- madeofpalk 5y ago# Covfefe RTMP relay utility This is also a project to enable me to learn go so is probably over-engineered
- thinkingemote 5y agoFrom another site a user commented that it might have proprietary modifications to ffmpeg which is LGPL/GPL (I think?). Would a leak be considered to be distribution, could others legally take these modifications and merge them into the upstream project? I imagine other free software might have modifications too.
- lights0123 5y agoNo. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#StolenCopy https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#StolenCopy
- bla15e 5y agoBut the source was not stolen, merely copied
- NineStarPoint 5y agoAn important distinction indeed. Intellectual Property theft will get you in much bigger trouble with the Feds than just stealing something does.
- zamadatix 5y agoHence the anchor being "#StolenCopy".
- Thorrez 5y agoLeaked might be a better word. It was information that was supposed to be secret and became public.
- mijoharas 5y agoInteresting! I'd never thought about those kind of cases. (I also like how nice and clear that FAQ is).
- sydthrowaway 5y agoCan you use GPL code internally (ie run your backend) if you never publish it?
- gverrilla 5y agoI don't understand it: these companies have enormous funding, an army of employees, and they can't provide the service reliably (both regarding consistency and safety). What all these coders do all day? I'm asking as an uninformed party of course. But it looks to me like these are companies that build bridges, and their bridges are collapsing all the time.
- eddieroger 5y agoUninformed point of view - I'd be curious the split of that army of employees, since the money isn't in keeping the lights on, it's in sales and feature development. Stability is rarely the forethought unless it's there from day one. It probably takes a lot of money and human hours to keep the streamers engaged, and far less to watch Grafana dashboards.
- lopis 5y agoWhat do you mean? You think all coders are security engineers? All code has dependencies, often dozens of them. You might just need a single vulnerability in a trusted third party library to allow this to happen. These are humans creating these products. I would say that SPECIALLY because of the size of these products, vulnerabilities are inevitable.
- ryandrake 5y ago> What do you mean? You think all coders are security engineers? Now, imagine using that argument when a bridge falls down. "What do you mean? You think all the bridge builders were safety engineers? Bridge components rely on different dependencies, often dozens at the same time. You just need one point of failure and boom, it collapses. These are humans creating these bridges. I would say that SPECIALLY because of the size of these bridges, collapses are inevitable."
- andrewzah 5y agoComparing bridges to a streaming service is nonsensical, frankly. People die when bridges collapse. People get mildly inconvenienced if twitch is slow or down. Accordingly bridge construction takes security & safety much more seriously throughout the project. And it's orders of magnitude more expensive to build and check bridges for safety issues, etc.
- ToddWBurgess 5y agoYou really have to feel bad for the IT staff at Twitch who I expect are going to have a bad day today.
- 1121redblackgo 5y agoAre we sure that we are comfortable sharing the actual leak on this website? If we are, fine, but that is a choice we are making.
- fexelein 5y agoWhy not?
- 1121redblackgo 5y agoIt's illegally obtained information, sensitive information, about thousands of individuals and their personal businesses. I don't think its appropriate, and I would hate to be on that list right now.
- corobo 5y agoIsn't this the exact argument search engines have been fighting for years in relation to piracy? The data hasn't been provided, a link to the data has been provided
- 1121redblackgo 5y agoSure. Morally what do you think is the right thing to do?
- theknocker 5y agoCover up the leak and pretend it never happened, obviously. Let's make it hard for twitch users to even find out what was leaked about them. That will help.
- corobo 5y agoMorally I wont be using any of the data. The data however is out whether you roadblock access to it or not. The chances of you stopping someone who's nefarious enough to use the data but so non-technical that they can't find a magnet link is so low it wasn't worth me typing this sentence about it
- boringg 5y agoThis is going to BLOW up the twitch gaming community with all the infighting now that everyone knows how much everyone else makes. Wow.
- Buttons840 5y agoNumber of subs is often known, and the relative size of channels is known. Unless someone's going to be surprised that someone with double the viewers makes double the money, I doubt there will be any surprises.
- 0x500x79 5y agoThere are a few outliers in this data. Some streamers with smaller viewer bases are making more because of exclusivity deals, so I imagine there will be a little bit of drama.
- lrae 5y agoExamples? And what makes you think that one-off payments for exclusivity are in that data? Because they're not.
- laken 5y agoDifferent contracts between Twitch partners have different levels of ad density, as well as differing amounts of cuts of subs/bits taken by Twitch. It's pretty negligible though, and could have been kinda estimated previously. For example, Hasanabi is claimed to have one of the lowest ad density requirements on twitch (1 60 second ad per 1 hour of broadcast, plus 3 minute ad at end of broadcast) which does line up with him making less than multiple streamers with less subs than him (and with probable higher ad densities required by contract).
- lrae 5y agoYeah, this has nothing per se to do with exclusivity though. (As in, XX months exclusivity to Twitch. For those who don't know, every common partnered streamer already is exclusively bound to Twitch for livestreaming content. If he wants to stream somewhere else, he loses his partnership. (And yes, there are exceptions, old contracts, ...)) And "premium contracts" to keep talent were offered pretty much since day 1, just looked quite different back then. (Mainly just differentiated in sub share. For the last 2-3 years they also include better ad payouts (and a minimum of ad time), boni for minimum amount of hours streamed, etc.)) And... every streamer who only cares a bit about his business already knows, at least for the most part, what kind of contract other streamers are on. So don't think there will be any (real) drama - but I also didn't see or hear of any extreme unexpected outliers.
- incahoots 5y agoBased. Lot of streamers gonna feel some blowback on this. Not that it should matter but supposedly there’s a bunch that lie to their chat about the income they generate.
- yawaworht1978 5y agoWas the viewers data also leaked? You know, the twitch users who simply watch the streams?
- tiepoul 5y agoI'm curious about the contents of the zip files. I do feel that something is interesting about its contents.
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- stunt 5y agohttps://www.twitchearnings.com/ https://www.twitchearnings.com/
- NaturalPhallacy 5y agoI can't help but love the fact that PaymoneyWubby (a fat ginger nerd who makes interesting content, at least on youtube) makes more than pokimaine and Amouranth whose primary feature seems to be young, attractive, and female. Perhaps there's a tiny bit of justice in the world.
- RobLach 5y agoWhat's the justice?
- NaturalPhallacy 5y agoMerit and effort can beat being a genetic lottery winner.
- RobLach 5y agoRidiculous. That's being irrationally dismissive of the effort and merit it takes to win in an attention market in a particular way purely because of a personally biased judgement of value. The real genetic lottery winner on Twitch is being a white male given the relate-ability to the majority of Twitch's audience, and as the data leaked supports. I mean even consider the cost those creators have to bear of dealing with people who are constantly claiming that their success in somehow invalid.
- SixDouble5321 5y agoIt's more like a legitimately good streamer has to also be attractive to make money as a female. Not the other way around.
- rasz 5y agoSplitting earnings by gender reveals females arent doing that hot on twitch.
- _jplc 5y agoThe magnet: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI
- bredren 5y agoAny comment on the claimed basis for the leak? Had any particular game, caster or community member made waves above and beyond recently?
- canada_dry 5y ago> Vapor - an unreleased competitor to Steam Until Steam has a couple major screw ups, potential competitors better have tons of capital to keep throwing at their platform-in-waiting! Amazon does have the $$$, but they also have hungry shareholders that won't wait like they used to. Gamers by-in-large quite like the platform Gabe has built.
- vkk8 5y agoI guess they could tie it to Amazon Prime (like they did with Prime video) and just let Prime cutomers download any game on the platform without paying extra.
- WorldMaker 5y agoPrime Gaming has been giving "free games" to people for years. They already have a huge "back catalog" for some users in the weird bare bones "Twitch Launcher". Expanding that into a full store wouldn't be the hardest play for them; if anything the surprise is that they've been so slow to do that.
- stevefan1999 5y agoHere's a link to the data: bWFnbmV0Oj94dD11cm46YnRpaDpONUJMWjZYRUNORUhIQVJISk9WUUFTNFc3VFdSWENTSSZkbj10d2l0Y2gtbGVha3MtcGFydC1vbmUmdHI9dWRwJTNBJTJGJTJGb3Blbi5zdGVhbHRoLnNpJTNBODAlMkZhbm5vdW5jZQ==
- sillysaurusx 5y agoHere's a base64 decoded version: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI&dn=twitch-leaks-part-one&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce
- k1rcher 5y agoGot it in my seedbox as of 15-20min ago: Downloaded: 7.84GB Uploaded: 64.64GB sheesh, one popular magnet!
- schleck8 5y agothe power of foss
- ganoushoreilly 5y agoThat sounds like it's just the database. The full leak is 125.89gb
- stevefan1999 5y agojesus, do you want to taste the banhammer?
- sergiotapia 5y agoThanks!
- wizzairflyer 5y agoI'm very curious to have a peek but isn't downloading stolen material a crime? And wouldn't this be compounded by the fact that with torrent systems you are also helping redistributing it further?
- sillysaurusx 5y agoHi ya'll, I have a question. My wife and I can't wrap our brains around the fact that payment info was leaked alongside source code. Any theories how this happened? Former pentester btw. I saw a lot of interesting things during my time, but I can't recall seeing a payment database next to a source code repo. Did their s3 bucket get popped or something? Even if their github enterprise got popped, that doesn't explain that streamer payouts down to the dollar were leaked. "Oh yeah, I commit all my stripe data into github. It's for compliance /s" EDIT: If you want to see how much everyone's making: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q2gooi/twitchtv_got_leaked_like_the_entire_website/hfl2zgu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q2gooi/twit...
- raxxorrax 5y agoI guess if you have access to a build server that you might spy out some access credentials to other venues. Not impossible at least or perhaps some sort of service account was compromised that had access to both. Doesn't mean there was an immediate proximity of these system, although that might also be possible.
- beckler 5y agoMy guess is it was an disgruntled employee who took a copy of all this data.
- mkr-hn 5y agoTheorypothesis: the pre-Amazon acquisition company had very informal access controls, and Amazon is known for limiting how much change it imposes on acquisitions, so didn't know about this or didn't change to a more corporatey way of controlling access.
- dgemm 5y agoIIRC twitch was always very resistant to Amazon processes like COEs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed back on stricter access controls too.
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- irae 5y agoMost comments listing which streamers earn more, commenting on this being only part of their revenue, etc. Would be way more interest to me to know the distribution of people giving away their money. I personally spend about $20 a month on Twitch, I wonder in each part of the bell curve I am, and if it is a bell curve at all.
- jason_zig 5y agoI'm curious what reaction people have to the info so I made a poll: https://share.zigpoll.com/2kParn8gL6RvpveWu/2qZxbgjD3pu2ATqzg https://share.zigpoll.com/2kParn8gL6RvpveWu/2qZxbgjD3pu2ATqz... Personally I'm thinking this is decent PR for twitch since the market is still small and the payouts can be relatively high even in the middle tier.
- beckman466 5y agoPalantir next?
- em3rgent0rdr 5y agoAmazon could embrace the sourcecode leak and make Twitch opensource.
- Seattle3503 5y agoThis seems like it getting downmodded. It has over 850 points right now and isn't on the front page.
- Copenjin 5y agoDang, shouldn't we remove the links/magnets?
- nabakin 5y agoLooks like someone is uploading and organizing all of the information on GitHub. Stumbled upon it and haven't seen anyone mention it. Thought you guys might be interested. https://github.com/twitch-opensource https://github.com/twitch-opensource There's no way this is staying up lol.
- dumdumdumdum 5y ago4.1k repositories!? Are these all Twitch originals or also some forks of public projects?
- nabakin 5y agoI think there were a few public project forks but most are Twitch originals
- palijer 5y agoJust got taken down.
- staysafeanon 5y agoActually in Twitch's codebase: OR replace($1,'_','') SIMILAR TO '%(hate|kill|keel|hang|burn|gasthe)%(black|bl4ck|black|jew|trans|gay|african|afrikan|minorit|asian|nig|n1g)%' Twitch: "Hatred against Blacks, Jews, Asians, trans? BANNED! Hatred against Whites? I'LL ALLOW IT!"
- eranation 5y agoIn case anyone wants some practical advice to harden your github access control to lower the blast radius, a good friend (and disclaimer my co-founder of a relevant stealth mode startup) wrote a nice blog post about it: https://blog.arnica.io/afraid-of-your-source-code-leaking-i-can-tell-by-the-twitch-in-your-eye-693b71a67eac https://blog.arnica.io/afraid-of-your-source-code-leaking-i-... It's our first blog post (and we really tried to avoid making it look like blog spam as it's not intended to be blog spam) so please be gentle (but still brutally honest)
- northfoxz 5y agohttps://twitch.pages.dev https://twitch.pages.dev
- qwerty456127 5y agoEvery time this happens (which feels like almost every week already) I feel sorry for the people whose data leaked but a part of me says "good, perhaps another case will add to the critical mass and the society will finally realize amassing personal data in digtal databases is madness". Everything which can should be anonymized, the rest should only save the essential data needed to fulfill its very function. Whatever is not digital yet should never be.
- Epitom3 5y agoas someone else said Twitch - where daily wage workers pay millionaires to get 2 seconds of attention