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Footage of Australian Raven Attacking a Wing Drone in Canberra, Australia
- titzer 5y agoGo Ravens!
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- kleiba 5y agoAustralian wildlife is the best.
- radu_floricica 5y agoWas that a food delivery? Are they in production there?
- spoonalious 5y agoYeah they do food deliveries in part of Canberra. It’s Google’s Wing, has been operating for probably 3-4 years now
- contingencies 5y agoQ. What search engine do Currawongs use? A. Duckduckgo.
- maverwa 5y agoSeems to be a coffee delivery, and Wing seems to be "a subsidiary of Alphabet" that offers drone delivery as a service?
- ravendroneguy 5y agoThey deliver other stuff too, and yeah it is part of Google, but I only use it for coffee
- drpixie 5y agoI think it's a proof-of-concept operation. Last thing I want is 5 minute old, bad coffee, left in the garden. (Australians are generally very selective of their coffee, we like proper Italian style coffee. Melbourne (Aus/Vic) is quite proud that we're the only place where Starbucks went bust, gave up, and left - they tried but I think there's only one Starbucks left in the whole city, thankfully.)
- ravendroneguy 5y agoIt had a large cappuccino and a small hot chocolate in it.
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- sparsely 5y agoHow much noise do these make? Camera drones in parks are already pretty loud and that thing looks even bigger.
- mjsweet 5y agoI live in Logan, another test area in Australia. The drones are relatively quite. Surprisingly so. Generally can’t hear them inside the house. Sometimes I will notice them when they are a few houses away if I’m outside. I rarely take notice of them now and I don’t find them distracting. They seem to fly quite high too.
- mfer 5y agoI can’t see all the lights on outside from inside my house at night. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot of light pollution. Houses dampen the sound which animals don’t have the luxury of having. All that noise could be a real problem for them
- FartyMcFarter 5y ago> Generally can’t hear them inside the house. So you can sometimes hear them inside the house? That sounds possibly-OK in a sparsely populated area. But in more dense areas with lots of deliveries and people walking outside who can hear all the noise, I'm not sure this will scale well.
- csomar 5y ago> Sometimes I will notice them when they are a few houses away if I’m outside. > Generally can’t hear them inside the house. Dude, I think they are very loud. I'm in an office nearby a busy street and I can barely hear the traffic (no special insulation, just regular windows).
- caf 5y agoOne of the reasons they're fixed-wing is that it's considerably quieter (when they're not hovering) than rotary-wing flight.
- jakecopp 5y agoAhh those last few frames reminded me of just how sprawling Canberra's suburbia is and how large the nature strip/easement zoning is - no wonder it's such a good drone testing area!
- null_object 5y agoI can’t quite put my finger on what it is, but there’s something about this footage that suggests to me these birds are more intelligent than we are.
- fogihujy 5y agoI'm not sure your average raven is smarter than your average human, but Corvids are *very* intelligent. If they've figured out the drones drop food when attacked then they'll keep attacking, and teach others of their species to do it too.
- squarefoot 5y ago> but Corvids are very intelligent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
- monkeycantype 5y agoWere we live the (australian) ravens move in in spring to raise their babies, they'll be here soon. There's something extraordinary about the way they look at you. It says : 'yeah we see each other. don't make me come down and smack you'
- sydthrowaway 5y agoWhat the hell? This is magic. Can reinforcement learning do THIS?
- kragen 5y agoAverage ravens know how to make tools out of wire and how to drop rocks into a bottle to raise the level of its water so they can drink it. I think that's more than your average human can do.
- fogihujy 5y agoA human would be quite capable of constructing a tool out of wire. Humans figured out water displacement too, and ravens have culture and pass their knowledge on to their young just like we do. The interesting thing isn't exact measurements of intelligence, though, but rather the fact that intelligence has developed independently. We know that we and our fellow primates are amongst the smartest animals on the planet. The thing about ravens is that they prove we're not the only ones.
- kar1181 5y agoEven the Australian wildlife will not accept bad coffee! Bit like how Starbucks got ran out of Adelaide.
- ajkdhcb2 5y agoI keep seeing Australians online saying this meme that Australians care a lot about coffee quality, but when I lived there everyone I knew would make instant coffee at home. Then they were often highly critical of espresso at cafes. Odd
- NoGravitas 5y agoCombining the worst of American and British coffee culture, then.
- thethethethe 5y agoThis is my experience in Australia too. Outside of the big cities, the coffee is almost undrinkable, Starbucks would be welcome. The coffee in Sydney and Melbourne was good but a city having good coffee is unremarkable
- seoulmetro 5y agoActually, Starbucks operates in big cities, that's why it was not welcome until foreigners started actually supporting Starbucks, those cities were filled with coffee snobs and Starbucks was not worth it. (Yes, foreigners here means mostly North-East Asians and students) But the coffee quality of Starbucks from North-East Asia and the coffee quality in European Starbucks-esque chains could not compare to the good quality coffee and cheap prices of Australian small shops. Of course most people buy coffee in the city, and outside the city it's all instant coffee since it's perceived like wine. You're either a snob about it, or you just drink it casually (instant) cause you enjoy drinking any shade of it. I live in Australia and Korea frequently, and one has independent chains with snobby, nice, hardcore coffee (Aus) the other has a bunch of shitty chains, and Starbucks that serve absolutely mediocre coffee. Entire family drinks coffee in instant, but most work mates drink coffee with machines and cafes. You either care or you don't, but everyone enjoys lots of coffee. It's really not that surprising, the same thing goes for baked goods and fast food. The smaller the town, the worse the quality, but the more people are happy with what they're getting.
- GrumpyNl 5y agoWhat are we becoming, getting cofee deliverd by drone.
- thatguy0900 5y agoWell, it's better than driving to the coffee place and back, I guess.
- eertami 5y agoI just don't understand how it makes sense to get coffee delivered by drone (or by driving to pick up) every day instead of just buying an espresso machine.
- dewey 5y agoMaybe it's coffee beans instead of an actual cup of coffee in this case?
- eertami 5y agoI expect you would get beans delivered maybe once or twice per month though, not daily.
- kragen 5y agoOne espresso machine can make coffee for 30 people an hour; complemented by six drones, it can provide coffee for 60 people. That's a lot more capital-efficient than buying 60 espresso machines; the other 57 espresso machines' worth of capital can get invested in something that improves people's lives instead of useless stranded coffee production capacity. It's probably a lot less labor-efficient, though, because it means tying up some poor schmuck's life making coffee for other people instead of learning topology or writing poetry or something.
- dzhiurgis 5y agoWe just need to invent flying espresso machine
- willvarfar 5y agoSo in the footage it looks just like when the crows and other birds mob birds of prey. So presumably the raven is mistaking the drone for a predator. It will be interesting if the ravens soon determine the drone itself is no threat, but that drones carry food...
- usgroup 5y agoThe comment section is absolutely hilarious. Defs read it.
- Fiahil 5y agoWait until one of the raven manage to actually shut down a drone. These birds are very intelligent and absolutely capable of sharing their attack strategy with each other. Even better if there is a big payoff (food) as reward. They might even put the entire business at risk.
- jacquesm 5y agoI can't wait.
- sen 5y agoThey've been seen using things as tools, I'm waiting for the next video where they realise they can shove a stick into the props to take the drone down.
- gpderetta 5y agowait until they get their h̶a̶n̶d̶s̶ beaks on the remote controller.
- andyjohnson0 5y agoCorvids are smart. I'm hoping the ravens start using the drones as personal transportation devices.
- foobar1962 5y agoI bet they work out they only have to crap on the bag to achieve their goal.
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoI wouldn't be surprised if that already happens, and they're calculating a loss factor to 'environmental' circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if they mass-produce these planes to a low price point because of the loss factor.
- TeMPOraL 5y agoI'm hoping somebody is staying on top of this because if it gets to the point the business model will get threatened, there will be pressure to "mitigate" or "solve" the problem somehow. I'm hoping the solution will be to tell the business (Google, in this case, apparently) to go do something else.
- jacquesm 5y agoThose birds are a lot smarter than the people ordering coffee to be delivered by drone.
- Softcadbury 5y agoStill better than driving a big SUV I guess...
- jacquesm 5y agoMaking coffee was a solved problem 100 years ago.
- cinntaile 5y agoMaking this coffee and delivering it instantly clearly isn't or this service wouldn't work :)
- jacquesm 5y agoIt most likely isn't instantly.
- cinntaile 5y agoThat's kind of my point, you said it was a solved problem. This is obviously not about just making coffee, you were misrepresenting the problem being solved. Convenience is a thing. If this coffee could be made and delivered on the spot exactly when you want it then this service wouldn't exist.
- jacquesm 5y agoI meant that the other way around from how you wrote it. As in: you probably can make coffee well within the time that it would take some service to make it and deliver it for you, and likely your locally brewn coffee would be hotter.
- bumbada 5y agoThe nest must be near. Instead of torturing the birds every single day because you want your coffee(or you just enjoy torturing birds) you can change your reception point 20 meters or so and probably the attacks will stop. I have done speleology on things like old mines and had attacks from small birds to big ones like vultures and eagles that make their nest on the mine. I have marks on my helmet from that. It is very interesting how small birds will pretend to have a broken leg or wing just to divert your attention from the nest. I also have seen eagles attack friends' macaws in the open space or a group of magpies attacking an enormous eagle. The animal world is not as peaceful as some people believe.
- ravendroneguy 5y agoYou can’t actually choose your landing zone - it’s assigned by Wing. And I have spoken to them and they are pausing operation for a few days while their bird expert gives them advice, they told me.
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- melbourne_mat 5y agoIt's springtime here. The birds get a bit aggressive this time of year. https://www.environment.sa.gov.au/goodliving/posts/2017/08/magpie-swooping-season https://www.environment.sa.gov.au/goodliving/posts/2017/08/m...
- high_5 5y agoThat's a delivery raven fearing for its job.
- ThePadawan 5y agoGiven the choice between a world that has delivery drones and one that has delivery ravens, I definitely would prefer the latter.
- adolph 5y agoBy 3000 BC, Egypt was using homing pigeons for pigeon post, taking advantage of a singular quality of this bird, which when taken far from its nest is able to find its way home due to a particularly developed sense of orientation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homing_pigeon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homing_pigeon
- InsomniacL 5y agoMy plan to train Ravens to steal drone payloads is progressing nicely.
- jacquesm 5y agoHehe, that's really funny. The value of what you can transport by drone is likely dwarfed by the value of the drone, why not go for stealing the drones themselves?
- InsomniacL 5y agoThe Pact with the Ravens is conditional on them remaining the dominant aerial intelligence. This necessitates the destruction, rather than the repurpose, of the drones.
- achow 5y agoAnother interesting discovery for me.. This 'Wing' drone delivery is actually an Alphabet (Google) company, and they have "found success in Australian suburbs, recently hitting 100,000 deliveries milestone." [1] Anyone from Australia care to tell how much it costs to deliver a (or multiple) cups of coffee using this service? [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/25/22640833/drone-delivery-google-alphabet-wing-milestone https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/25/22640833/drone-delivery-g...
- echelon 5y agoThis should be a top level thread. I'm blown away that this is a real service and that it's hit 100k transactions. That's incredible!
- formerly_proven 5y agoNot the good kind of incredible though.
- seoulmetro 5y ago100k transactions is easy to hit when you've got funding. Which, given the amount of legal lobbying this drone stuff has rushed, doesn't seem like a problem. Run discounts of 50% on first drone orders, or even just run discounts for first few months. People have proven that they love a bit of interesting fun for a high price. Look at shared scooters, most scooter usage is for fun and "I want to try them". Just because a company is doing transactions doesn't make it a good company. This is just money at work, money can create "businesses" that shouldn't exist. Then people get too tangled up in the fake business that it's impossible to live without, all the while never actually earning profits you'd expect from a "good, large business".
- propogandist 5y ago> money can create "businesses" that shouldn't exist. Then people get too tangled up in the fake business that it's impossible to live without, all the while never actually earning profits you'd expect from a "good, large business". like Uber, Lyft, Snapchat, DoorDash and many recent IPOs of terrible businesses that went public to make investors rich, while being terrible, money losing operations
- froj 5y agoI used to work with small fixed wing drones [1] and had birds of prey remove the battery pack from the aircraft while in flight. I always wondered whether they knew or if they just instinctively went for the "head" of the plane and got lucky that the battery was right there. There were also reports from customers in Australia where eagles would just shred the drone to pieces almost every flight. Putting big googly eyes stickers on the wings seemed to help to some degree. [1] https://www.sensefly.com/ https://www.sensefly.com/ Edit: Found the blog post about the eagles in Australia https://www.sensefly.com/blog/bird-drone-attacks-avoid-threat/ https://www.sensefly.com/blog/bird-drone-attacks-avoid-threa...
- csomar 5y agoBirds of prey are territorial. That drone looks like them and so it's not welcome. They probably messed with it a bit and found that removing the battery kills it. Birds are generally pretty smart, some are self-aware and have high level of intelligence and awareness.
- lucb1e 5y ago> I always wondered whether they knew Surely you don't mean that they'd have an understanding what the function of a battery is, so I'm not quite sure what you mean?
- tbabb 5y agoThey might not know how it works, but they might have learned that it's the part to pull on to make the drone "die".
- brokenmachine 5y agoIt's probably just the easiest part to grab with a beak.
- LightG 5y agoNothing suprising here. I've seen ravens gang up, bully and chase away large birds of prey. I'm more suprised to see the drone delivery. Didn't realise that had already started.
- medo-bear 5y agoFinally, someone in Australia is fighting against surveillance
- brokenmachine 5y agoNice! I wish the raven party was on the ballot.
- ffwacom 5y agoGood
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- mastazi 5y agoI live in Sydney, I love Australian ravens! Once a raven got ran over by a car near my home and sadly died. A group of ravens were "guarding" the body and not letting any human near it. They were exhibiting highly sophisticated social behaviour, it almost seemed like... a funeral? Of course we shouldn't attempt to anthropomorphise animal behaviour, it was not a funeral but I would like to get an explanation from someone who knows about this topic. What were those ravens doing? (Edit: it was very impressive they were doing a type of vocalisation that they don't usually perform, and they were close to the ground and near the body, not up among the trees where they usually spend most of their time). (Edit2: the birds were not on the ground, but near the ground, on top of a low fence and on top of a couple of parked cars)
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago> Of course we shouldn't attempt to anthropomorphise animal behaviour Why not? Our behavior emerged from a primitive animal state. It's not crazy to think it can happen again. The only mistake would be to pretend it's the definitive answer, but unless we got one, it can be one of the theories.
- fogihujy 5y agoAccording to Wikipedia, European Magpies have been observed performing funeral rites (alas, the link to the study is gone). It's not impossible you witnessed a similar but undocumented phenomena.
- mastazi 5y agoThank you, I will try and find that study. European magpies (unlike Australian magpies) are actually related to ravens (family corvidae, whereas Aussie magpies are in the family artamidae)
- 867-5309 5y agoprotecting their next meal?
- comprev 5y agoI misread "ravens" for "ravers" and wondered why a bunch of people probably off their nut would be guarding a body...
- mrweasel 5y agoThat is also an extremely noisy drone. I live below the approach of an airport and the noise from the commercial jets are less annoying. Would it help if the drones where less noisy? If the birds don’t get them, the complaint from neighbors will.
- ravendroneguy 5y agoSounds noisier in the video than they really are.
- cheschire 5y agoAm I too cynical now? I feel like this is an advertisement. The guy is a director of communication. Maybe I’ve just become overly sensitive.
- ravendroneguy 5y agoI am the guy who posted the video on my account, and I assure you I am just an avid user of the service. I’ve been in lockdown for a month and we will be in lockdown for another month, with exposure sites everywhere in my city, so this is a far better alternative than venturing out.
- mdoms 5y agoIt absolutely is an advertisement. Look at the OP's posts in this thread, all he is doing is defending the drones and singing the praises of the company.
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- Hamuko 5y agoAre they attacking the drones because they're carrying food? Ravens are incredibly smart birds so I don't imagine them attacking the drones for no good reason.
- petepete 5y agoI suspect it's more of a invasion of territory thing. Around here both crows and magpies don't take kindly to other big birds coming too close during nesting season.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y agoIs that a Raven? It looks and sounds like the typical crow you see around QLD Australia.
- ravendroneguy 5y agoCorvus coroinodes- Australian raven - according to the book of Canberra garden birds.
- caf 5y agoQueensland has both Australian Crows and Australian Ravens. The tropical north and Western Australia has Australian Crows, and the south-east has only the Australian Ravens. They're often confused, but this video is in Canberra so a Raven it is.
- chrismorgan 5y agoThe confusion is made worse by the fact that the bird supposedly called a raven (though whether it’s Corvus coronoides or Corvus mellori or something else I can’t certainly say right now) is, at least in Melbourne and the part of western Victoria where I now live, exclusively called a crow. If you called it a raven, many, perhaps most, people wouldn’t know what you were talking about, because we simply don’t have any bird called a raven, though we might have some vague sneaking notion that they’re a northern hemisphere version of our crows or something like that. I can’t confidently speak further than that, but I’m under the impression the same is true in Sydney. If taxonomists call them ravens but everyone else calls them crows, I wish the taxonomists would accept the reality that usage defines language, not encyclopædia, and give up on trying to pretend they’re ravens and not crows.
- kragen 5y agoZoologists don't care what random Australians think of them; they want to communicate successfully with other zoologists.
- chrismorgan 5y ago
- robomartin 5y agoI’ve been flying all types of radio-controlled aircraft for decades. I’ve had two encounters with birds. In both cases it was while flying thermals with gliders. In both cases the birds went for the tail section. The first was a hawk. I was going up a thermal on my own. The hawk came into the same thermal and decided it wanted to own it. It flew incredibly fast towards my plane and grabbed it from the latter quarter of the fuselage. This was a strong and fast kevlar/carbon fiber F5B competition class motorized glider, 2.4 meter wingspan. The hawk could not destroy it but sure did with it as it wished for a few seconds. When it let go I went to full throttle and climbed straight up like a rocket (high power/weight ratio) to get away. After that I landed safely without damage. The second case was a raven. Similar situation. It went for the tail and ripped it right off. All I could do was watch it crash. They own the skies.
- Lamad123 5y agoLinkdIn.. Link me out, please!!
- swayvil 5y agoEvil : God isn't interested in technology. He cares nothing for the microchip or the silicon revolution. Look how he spends his time, forty-three species of parrots! Nipples for men! Robert : Slugs. Evil : Slugs! HE created slugs! They can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?
- scrumper 5y agoI'm glad that awesome ballsy bird didn't get injured by the blades on that ridiculous noisy irritating gimmick. I mean, a cup of coffee, not even a pound of ground coffee so you can make your own and only force this intrusion on your neighbors once a week instead of every day. Obviously I still need _my_ morning coffee.
- drclau 5y agoRavens are among the smartest birds out there. The fact that it was not injured is probably not a matter of luck. It most likely understood to some degree the danger of spinning blades. They're also pretty skilled at flight. A wildlife photographer snapped a few great shots with a raven landing on an eagle's back _in flight_. See: https://iso.500px.com/the-story-behind-the-incredible-photo-of-a-crow-riding-an-eagle/ https://iso.500px.com/the-story-behind-the-incredible-photo-...
- ed_elliott_asc 5y agoI’m with you, if my neighbour had this delivered every day I’d speak to them and ask them not to.
- clairity 5y agolately there have been a couple drones flying around my neighborhood and hovering in front of, and behind, houses. they instinctually feel creepy and intrusive. it seems we need to extend the legal expectation of privacy a little further.
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- duxup 5y agoSmall birds will attack / harass the eagles in my area a great deal. But they've left my drone alone, probably because it is smaller.
- m3kw9 5y agoThe is not what I want to see or hear for Amazon drone delivery.
- rootusrootus 5y agoCan't speak for Australia, but in the US there are many places that a noisy drone like that would have people taking shots at it.
- erickhill 5y agoI couldn't applaud the raven more strenuously. Ravens, unite! You're doing the entire world a favor.
- marcodiego 5y agoThose propellers may hurt the bird. These flying automated monstrosities should be well regulated with we want to do ahead with them.
- agustif 5y agoSo that coffe is warm? You can gat warm coffe thrown at you from the sky now? Great
- motohagiography 5y agoI need a rookery. Incentivising wild birds to menace and attack annoying drones seems like a lot of fun.
- moedersmooiste 5y agoDutch police actually trained eagles to do this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00szWWrTNnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00szWWrTNnE
- vernie 5y agoLol fuckin get em
- nights192 5y agoIt's somewhat baffling to me that there's such a large pushback against getting coffee delivered via drone, and I don't see many reasons expressed as to why, exactly, this is iniquitous--could somebody explain this in greater detail to me, please?
- i_am_jl 5y ago...did you watch the video on mute?
- nights192 5y agoI understand the noise in the video is fairly unpleasant; however, others within the thread with more experience with the technology have testified that they are not, typically, perceived as this disruptive. (Whether due to the rotors straining less when not countering a raven/crow, or simply due to the frequency band of the phone microphone exacerbating the worst qualities of the sound.) Many express rancor about the very concept of delivered coffee--not merely the practicalities of it, and this is intriguing to me.
- i_am_jl 5y agoI fly quads recreationally, though I'm far from an expert. I've flown a wide variety of fixed wing and multicopter drones, both payload/filming drones and FPV drones. Drones that have payload capacity are loud, full stop. This one isn't especially loud as its payload is relatively light. The comment I believe you're talking about mentions they can be heard from multiple houses away. That isn't quiet by any means.
- nights192 5y agoThey also state, however, that the drones are typically high enough to provide little disturbance prior to descending for the drop. Regardless, this doesn't primarily confuse me; rather, the hostility to the idea of delivery coffee writ large. Thanks for clarifying the noise issue!
- trhway 5y agoravens are the neighborhood watch of the kind i like - they chase away falcons and eagles who occasionally venture into our neighborhood. The ravens would sit at the very top of the redwoods chatting up each other across the space. Though i haven't seen that much of them recently - we lost a lot of large trees to the new developments (Mountain View is more and more a faceless barrack dormitory for Google) - somehow building while preserving large trees (already growing in the developed areas and with each tree being a small bustling city of the birds and small animals) is believed to be impossible while cats/whatever will as usually be blamed for birds population decline.
- jcun4128 5y agoLook at that heading hold performance in the wind
- jackvalentine 5y agoI live in one of the serviced suburbs, you hear the drones go by most weekend mornings. It’s a bit annoying I guess.
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